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VirginFinder:
You are a dullard!

Of all the notable pastors in Nigeria and worldwide, you deliberately chose a few controversial ones to drive home your daft point albeit unsuccessfully.

Were you there when Pastor Biodun told Ese bla bla bla? Did he not deny the allegations?

Did Pastor Chris not desperately try to undo his error? Till today, I know a Christ Embassy pastor who insists Pastor Chris could never and never made such an assertion.

How many members does the naked pastor abroad have? Have they ever tried to convert you?

What is the name of the pastor in Brazil?

Will you be adjudged to have failed an exam if because you didn't score a 100%?

Any unrepentant sinner will go to hell. But homosexuals are bound to make the trip because they have found no place for repentance by insisting what they are doing is right and that they were wired that way.

If moderate/most muslims can go all out to disown Abubakar Shekau as a muslim, how dare you foist anyone who practices/preaches anything against the scriptures on me as a pastor and Christian? Are you ok?

Don't you have a Bible? Nobody should able to fool you if your head is truly on your neck except you deliberately want to be fooled.
Didn't the Lord Jesus tell us that false prophets shall arise and that we should beware of them?

Matthew 7:15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Matthew 24:11-12
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

2 Peter 2:1-2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

In conclusion, you are a goat for refusing to read your Bible only to come here and allege trash.

And this the fate of goats according to the Bible:
Matthew 25:31-46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Repent today! Tomorrow might be too late!! Heaven and Hell are real!!!

The choice is yours.

Who is a homosexual?

Homosexuals, prostitutes and tax collectors are making their ways to heaven before you!

Trailblazer1:
Don't be angry my dear brother.
On what side are you? Good or evil?
What is good is good and what is evil is evil.
If you love gayism in the church of Christ, more grease to your elbow.

But those your allegations up there, are very grave. Hope you can substantiate your claims?

Rev. King burning his members alive should not be anathema...

That one was substatiated in court.

Keep fooling yourself, chasing after gays and neglecting your own sins.

Homosexuals are making their way to heaven before you!

jdilight:
When Paul had the above experience he was still a babe in the lord as many are today. Now open the same Romans 7 but lets go to the last verse that you omitted.

:25 I thank God - through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

At this point in Paul's walk with God, he discovered the secret of how to conquer sin. We conquer sin with our mind. I remember one of those days after reading the " be ye perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect". I was so confused that I said, "Lord it is impossible for a man to be perfect". To mine shock, I heard "its in your mind". What was in mine mind, sin. The law of the flesh was in mine mind. To overcome sin, I had to substitute that law with the law of the Spirit of God.

Now go to Romans 8:1-16, Paul narrated how he conquered sin. He did it through the spirit of God. I wrote what is means to be born again in this forum. If you have read it, you would have seen how the spirit of God transform us to overcome sin.

Paul wrote, "be ye transform by the renewal of your mind". He transformed himself by renewing his mind. By living according to the spirit (Romans 8:5).

Until you are lead by the Spirit of God (Romans 8:14) your not a son of God, therefore can not overcome sin. The best of Christianity you will have will be of claims.

Many of us think all we do is as a result of what we want to do. No, all we do is a product of all that we have learnt. what we do are fruit of the information we have gathered over the years. Until we change those information, we can not change the fruit we bear.

You say Paul was a babe, that's why he was sinning then.

So he wasn't born of God then?

So Paul wasn't led by the Spirit then?

Paul was writing the word of God, yet he wasn't led by the Spirit of God?

You heretical protestants are a confused lot.

jdilight:
James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

This means neither works nor faith can justify a man without the other. We need both to be justified, that is while I told you earlier that work is evidence or proof of our faith.

James 2:24 ....and not by faith ONLY. Faith is the foundation of works. Last night I was studying Galatians. Paul maintained that we are justified by faith. Now are they contradictory? No. But complimentary.

Good.

Tell that to your fellow protestants who say that faith alone will lead to salvation.

jdilight:
He that is born of God does not sin. Bros am born of God I do not sin. Believe it or not, what makes you to sin is not in me. Disciples are in classes, at first he called them servants with time he called them friends but now we are sons, kings, priest and Gods.

14 - For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin.

15 - For that which I work, I understand not. For I do not that good which I will; but the evil which I hate, that I do.

16 - If then I do that which I will not, I consent to the law, that it is good.

17 - Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 - For I know that there dwelleth not in me, that is to say, in my flesh, that which is good. For to will, is present with me; but to accomplish that which is good, I find not.

19 - For the good which I will, I do not; but the evil which I will not, that I do.

20 - Now if I do that which I will not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 - I find then a law, that when I have a will to do good, evil is present with me.

22 - For I am delighted with the law of God, according to the inward man:

23 - But I see another law in my members, fighting against the law of my mind, and captivating me in the law of sin, that is in my members.

24 - Unhappy man that I am, who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Paul sinned. You are in a higher class than Paul?

jdilight:
Am not a protestant, am a christian. It is spiritual suicide to study the word of God with the spirit of God. When you study Jame 2, you will come to understand that work is a product of faith. Work is evidence of faith, when you try to separate both you murder them.

It may shock you to know my church. Am not church man am a christian. The Spirit of God is my teacher not my pastor. Paul was happy with a particular church because they always go home to study the word after church rather than swallowing the everything.

Picking a verse of the scripture is dangerous, it has slain many.

So you disagree with James 2:24?

Ajibam:
Your pope!

Pentecostal lie.

I remember today is my day.

Please pray for my intentions:

1. That I avoid sin and do God's will and work always.

2. That my financial endeavours receive divine favour.

3. That The FEST turns out a resounding success in all ramifications.

4. That the Lord provides a good Catholic spouse for me.

5. That the Lord keeps me in his grace, love and mercy.

All, subject to his will.

Thanks. God bless you.

Trailblazer1:
You have a point there bro.
But;
Homosexuality should be anathema
Never to be mentioned in the church of Christ.

Homosexuality should be anathema...

Money laundering by pastor Oritsejafor should not be anathema...

Masturbation should not be anathema according to pastor Chris...

TB Joshua sacrificing lives of his members by his greed and negligence should not be anathema...

Pentecostal pastor giving his members petrol to drink should not be anathema...

Pastor Biodun COZA sleeping with the girls in his 'church' should not be anathema...

Pentecostal pastor in Brazil telling his female members to suck holy milk from his manhood should not be anathema...

FOOOOOOOOOLS!

MacCantStopMe:
Good argument. I just hope your pentecostal brethren can use their brains on this issue....

Their brains shut down when attacking Catholics.

VirginFinder:
You are a dullard!
Why do some of you find it difficult to comprehend simple posts?
Is the adulterous pastor claiming to be right?
Is the adulterous pastor proclaiming to the world that he is into adultery?
Is the adulterous pastor claiming to be born that way?
Is the adulterous pastor trying to convert his members into adulterers?
And where did I say that the adulterous pastor will go to heaven if he doesn't repent?

Yes. Pastor Biodun COZA told Ese he was showing her a higher level of grace when she was uncomfortable with having sex with him. That is claiming to be right.

Pastor Chris said masturbation is not a sin.

A pastor in America asked his members to come to 'church' stark naked and claimed to be right.

Another one in Brazil asked his female members to suck "anointed milk" from his penis.

All these fraudsters will go to heaven...only homosexuals should we torment and send to hell.

Fooooooools!

Ajibam:
Who told you we hate them?

Who told you we support homosexuality?

jdilight:
It is unfortunate that you have started calling me names. But who am I, if the call Jesus devil what will one expect they call his brother. It is God who condemns and it is He that justifies. You can't condemn he who he has justified, for who can declare it and it cometh to pass without my Father's approval.

Typical protestant hypocrite dodging the question.

Do you agree or disagree with St. James?

jdilight:
How can I sin when am a God?

So you don't sin.

So Jesus wasn't talking to you when he said "when you pray, say...forgive us our sins?"

Then you're not one of his disciples.

jdilight:
Do God sin? I am a God.

God doesn't sin.

What about you, protestant, do you sin?

Yes. Homosexuals are going to hell if they dont repent...

But adulterous 'born again' pastors dont have to repent. They already are going to heavem.

Foooooooools!

jdilight:
I said work is an evidence of justification. Can you do work if your not justified. This is while people will tell you that the spirit is willing but flesh weak because they don't know how to do the work of righteousness. If you try doing the work you will fail. It is God in you that does the work. If Christ himself can say "of myself I can do nothing", how do you think you can.

You can't do the work until God empowers you to do. Try to understand the writer of the bible. Jesus is the message, if your interpretation does not show Christ as the way, your on the wrong track. I tell people, if you don't understand the teachings of Christ Apostle Paul will confuse you.

Dear hypocrite, do you agree or disagree with St. James when he says "man is justified by works?"

jdilight:
Work is evidence of our justification. A dog is configured to bark, so is a child of God configured to do good at the new birth. The good we do don't make us born again but the born again make us do go.

"Man is justified by his works."

Do you agree or disagree with St. James?

jdilight:
Am God already

They are "yes or no" questions.

Do you have God in you?

Do you still sin?

shdemidemi:
I leave you in peace my brother.

Leave James 2:24 in peace.

"Man is justified by works."

Don't twist it.

shdemidemi:
@italo
As for the issue of James, without sounding condescending, I hope you will forgive me if it does, you might not know who this particular James is. He is the half brother of Jesus that never believed who Jesus was until after resurrection. James became a man of reputation within the Jewish circle of believers. So, all the temple worship and works of the law mixed with the gospel of Christ was still on, very much on full throttle.

The same james was the person Apostle Paul confronted alongside Cephas(Peter) in the book of Galatians. After their meeting, they had a mutual agreement, which states-
Galatians 2
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Heathen here means non-Israelites/Gentiles and they went to the Circumcised- the Jews.

Every member of the present church today was begotten by this gospel of grace (preached by Paul by the inspiration of the Spirit of God) unto salvation to all that will believe. The only agenda God has for salvation for all gentiles rest in this gospel of grace. We cannot be saved by anything else but by God's mercy.

Peter eventually came to the realization of this truth when he pointed people to Paul's message for salvation in a book he wrote just before he was martyred (2 Peter).

In other words we majorly and primarily get our christian doctrines from the 13 books written by Apostle Paul. Does that mean we should not read other portions of scripture, absolutely not! But the bible says we must rightly divide the word to know who, where, why a statement is made in every part of scripture so we don't get tossed by all wind of doctrine. Like you know, we have countless doctrines in scripture, some will say 'go and pray on the top of a mount' replicating Peter at transfiguration to hear or see God, should this be a doctrine? No. Some will say Moses took off his shoes when he spoke to God so we must take off our shoes when we go to church, should that be a doctrine either? absolutely not!

Some things are written to us so we can know, learn and understand God in different dimensions, but we must not mix these other things with the doctrine to be applied in the day to day affairs of a christian.

James letter was well addressed to his audience, it was to the scattered Jews that were chased out from Jerusalem. We can learn from the book but we must decipher what and what directly applies to us in such books with the epistles to the church in hind sight.

Are you trying to twist James 2:24 "man is justified by works?"

Why not just add "not" between "is" and "justified?"

Instead of the garbage you have up there.

shdemidemi:
How you conveniently stick to one verse as the champion and major verse that anchors your entire christian walk as regards salvation. I can imagine the uncertainty you have about meeting Jesus at the end. I wonder if you can achieve all that the 'works' desire from you. The greatest work was the work of a man that laid his life down for his enemies, can you match that? even for a friend, will you agree to be killed so they might live! Can you pay back the debt you owe God by the supposed good works you think you can muster?

Look at that book of Philemon, it is like a shadow of what and who we are in God. Philemon happen to be a rich pastor of a church that holds in his house. He had a slave called Onesimus who stole from him and ran away. What an abomination that was in those days. A definite death sentence awaits such slave if found by the master. He did not only run away from the master, he also stole from him.

Onesimus met Paul, in other words, he became a christian. Integrity demands that Paul sends Onesimus back to Philemon. Paul asked for Onsimus to be forgiven, he also asked of Philemon to put the debt of Onesimus in his (Paul) account, with the mutual knowledge that Philemon is also a debtor to him.

As small as that book is, it is filled with what you need to know about God's mind and God's judgement in this dispensation of grace. Please check it out.

Lies go roundabout. Truth goes straightforward.

What rubbish are you mumbling up there?

James 2:24 says man is justified by works.

Go and challenge St. James.

SalC:
Lol he should take 30th, I reserved 22nd for Italo and if we have more people, we will have to start pairing.

Happy weekend my princess

Thanks for reserving 22nd for me.

Ubenedictus, may the Lord continue to keep you in his grace, love and mercy.

Amen.

Bidam:
The evidence is good works. The argument with italo is that salvation is gotten by works, this is unscriptural. Human works of any kind are not the means of obtaining eternal life.

Read Roman 9:11, Eph 2:8-9, 2 tim 1:9;Titus 3-3-7.

Justification, the forgiveness of sins and eternal life are by the obedience of ONE-Jesus Christ.

God will NOT share His glory with another and salvation by works put God in a position of debt to sinners. Salvation is a FREE GIFT by the grace of God without works.

The fact that you have to lie against me says a lot about your heresy.

It needs lies as the bold to defend it.

Show me where I ever said the bold.

Bidam:
You are being untruthful here. We have argued this issue with italo, not only me but with others as well for long.

It is very clear that italo believes justification is by works.His posts reflects that.

It is very clear that the Holy Spirit believes justification is by works. James 2:clearly says that.

However, we are saved by God's grace alone. Faith and works are our necessary response to this.

Vest is not being untruthful about my views.

jdilight:
You don't understand the Op. This all I have been trying to say in all my post. It is God that does his righteous work in man but man must have the ingredient from which the work must be done by God. That a plant has its root in the soil means nothing except the soil has the nutrients the plant requires. When you have what works holiness in you, you live holy without doing anything.

Do you have God in you?

Do you still sin?

I don't know why you guys are worrying excessively over this issue.

It is not a doctrine.

There are always these kinds of debate during every Church council...from the 1st in Jerusalem to the last in Vatican II.

Why don't you just trust in the Holy Spirit?

*not you, Francis hater. I know only the Pope's head on a plate will satisgy you.

elampiro:
The church prophecies are exactly being fulfilled today under Bergoglio. Approved apparitions as LaSalette, Akita, and recent prophecies.
.............



In fact the Philippine ambassador to the Vatican, in 1998 spoke to Cardinal Ratzinger about Akita and the Cardinal: "personally confirmed to me that these two messages of Fatima and Akita are essentially the same". Hence in Akita we are dealing with a Church approved intervention of the Blessed Virgin Mary as sure in this respect as Lourdes, La Salette, or Fatima.

Only a few Catholics know of Our Lady of Akita but the message, like that of Fatima, is a specific warning of worldwide chastisement. The chastisement threatened is truly terrible – far worse than the possibility of annihilation of several nations prophesied at Fatima. Akita is absolutely consistent with prophecies of Scripture.

The first message received by Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa on June 6, 1973, was a call for prayer and sacrifice for the glory of the Father and salvation of souls. The second message, August 3, 1973, was for prayer, penance and courageous sacrifices to soften the Father's anger.

The third message on October 13, 1973, the actual anniversary of the final visions and miracle of Fatima is as follows: "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.

"The demon will rage especially against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them."

In his pastoral letter approving the events of Akita as supernatural, the Bishop of Niigata said: "After the inquiries conducted up to the present day, one cannot deny the supernatural character of a series of unexplainable events relative to the statue of the Virgin honored at Akita (Diocese of Niigata). Consequently I authorize that all of the diocese entrusted to me venerate the Holy Mother of Akita."

Concerning the messages, His Excellency said: "As for the content of the messages received, it is no way contrary to Catholic doctrine or to good morals. When one thinks of the actual state of the world, the warning seems to correspond to it in many points." His Excellency explained that he had taken eight years to give this judgment because of the importance and the responsibility in question. "The Congregation of the Doctrine for the Faith has given me directives in this sense," the Bishop said, "that only the bishop of the diocese in question has the power to recognize an event of this kind."

The events of Akita have been confirmed by definite miracles, two of which are cited by the Bishop in his pastoral letter. While the warning given by Our Lady at Akita is terrible, the message, as the Bishop points out, is basically a repetition of the Message of Fatima. Our Lady stressed the importance of praying the Rosary, and above all of accepting from God whatever He may send in the course of each day . . . whatever suffering . . . and to offer it up in reparation for so many sins committed throughout the world at this time. Our Lady begged especially for prayers for bishops, priests, and religious, and for reparation before the Blessed Sacrament. Our Lady said: "I have prevented the coming of calamities by offering to the Father, together with all the victim souls who console Him, the sufferings endured by the Son on the Cross, by His blood and by His very loving Soul. Prayer, penance, and courageous sacrifices can appease the anger of the Father."

http://olrl.org/prophecy/akita.shtml

So?

dein77:
I knew it would eventually come down to this. But you shouldn't have taken it personal. I left the argument in wisdom and good faith when it became obvious it was futile.

shdemidemi:
Calling you dumb isn't an insult par se, it is proven by your usual practice of baseless arguments. You pick a part of scripture you want to major your belief on, and dismiss other parts of scripture for no logical or spiritual meaning.
Throwing insults on a faceless forum like this does not make you more relevant in religious threads as this (you might thrive in the politics section). it only proves who you are behind the mask of the Catholic front. I hope no one uses you as a standard to weigh all other members of the Roman Catholic.
I hope this does not also affect other parts of your life where you will be found wanting from dealing with issues from the place of knowledge and understanding but from the place of insults, single mindedness, and parochialism.

shdemidemi:
That would have been the best thing to do if ones focus is on the 'italo' guy himself. Bu it isn't so, many other people read these things, we never can tell who these things might just lead to go check what the fuss is about. By that, someone else might grow and some might even get saved.

We never can tell who is reading these things, just for their sake we add whatever God has placed on our heart to say. The likes of Italo are there for a reason, he is also fulfilling his own calling. Everything is for a purpose. There is nothing anyone will tell him that will amount to anything except God does the work of making the heart receptive to it. It is God who calls and when and if He calls, no man can refuse to heed that call.

Personally, I also learn from people's argument on this faceless forum just to know what is in the mind of people. It gives advance knowledge and preparedness for what one might face even among the saints.

Bloody hypocrites trying desperately to evade the issue and cover their heresy.

"A man is justified by his works, not by faith alone." (James 2:24)

You disagree with that statement of the Holy Spirit.

That makes your doctrine devilish.

Simple.

PastorOluT:
The truth is u cant be genuinely saved n continue in bad 'work' or sin as the case maybe. But u should never forget the fact that we r all growing to maturity unto the fulness of Christ, so a babe in Christ would still exhibit carnality. But as he grows up to maturity he conforms more to Christ.

Now the problem comes when one claim to have given his life to Christ for some considerable no of yrs n there seem to be no difference or sign of growth.

Now I dont believe any can accept Chriist genuinely n be damned, many that still persist in evil works r liars n hypocrites n never genuiinely met with Christ whiich is why they can never change.

It all boiils down to genuinely accepting Christ. Can a good tree bear a bad fruit, n if it does it means it wasnt a good tree after all.

To make it simple,

Have you genuinely accepted Christ?

And do you still sin?

*this is where you will try to change topic, run away, or tell another big LIE.

^^^

I remember you. The same idiott that said there were two Jesuses and two gospels. We know that it is better talking to a goat than talking to you.

The same you is calling me dumb?

Then I rejoice.

By the way, what is the title of the senseless poem you wrote up there?

PastorOluT:
smile, now I understand bondage for real, it zap up every form of sense from those practicing religion.

Attack the argument, not the person.