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PastorOluT:
italo if u can't answer these questions u get out of this thread 'cos I am tired of ur childish ranting.

Also 1John 3:8-9

You're only looking for a way to change the topic.

Deal with your contradictions first.

If you cannot clarify whether only Christians can go to heaven or not, how can you be clear on anything?

PastorOluT:
Smile, now seun has to be banning people from this forum for being dumb, a child going to Heaven means everyone to u?

Anyone that doesn't believe in Christ is condemned already 'cos he has not believed in the only begotten of the father John 3:16-18.

And a child cannot believe...so he is condemned? I see you dunno where to turn.

Which one is it?

What happens to a (non-christian) child or lunatic...or one who never heard of Christ, who obviously doesnt believe in Christ?

Heaven or hell?

PastorOluT:
Smile, U are just so impossible, what did i type n what did u comment? Just as someone earlier suggested u r at war with urself, peace be still!

Though u are not answering my questions, another one for u;

What do u understand by 1john 3:8-9?

I understand that you're of the devil...since you commit sin. Or will you tell another lie that you don't sin?

PastorOluT:
When u start answering my questions I will start answering urs 'cos obviously u r not ready to listen while u are consumed with ur preconceived ideas.

You have nothing true to say...that's why you contradict yourself.

The only reason you're refusing to answer is that you will contradict yourself if you do.

Because you're full of lies.

PastorOluT:
Smile smh, pls what's ur qualification aside from religion 'cos people like u bring reproach to Christianity by atheists with this kind of comprehension. Or u never did English in school, I bet a 2 yr old would do better in comprehension?

A child can't be termed Atheists, etc, their practice make them one!

In the same way, a child can't be termed Christian then.

Yet you say only Christians go to heaven.

All those children killed by ISIS are going to hell?

PastorOluT:
U rant as an ignoramus that u are, u kept one saying u proved, did I ever said before a child will go to Hell, so where is ur proof.

Obviously u grabbing d last straw as a drowning man.

Aha! Now you are ashamed of your false doctrine.

You said only Christians would go to heaven. See where you were fighting me when I said non-Christians can go to heaven in the pic.

Now everyone can go to heaven abi?

Olodo.

Let me ask you again:

Can a non-Christian go to heaven?

PastorOluT:
Smile, work is a spiritual natural response to grace in this dispensation. 'I am saved which is why I do good works, I don't do good works in other to be saved.

The people performing miracles in Jesus' name:

1. Did they have faith?

2. Were they saved?

3. Did they do good or bad works?

PastorOluT:
This is simply as a result of ignorance, if only u understand redemption!

Stop clutching at straws.

I told you non-Christians can be saved, you said no.

Now you suddenly agree that non-Christians can be saved.

But only after I made you look stupidd.

PastorOluT,

First, only Christians were saved...you called me dumb when I disagreed.

Now that I show you how stupidd your claim is, suddenly a muslim child can be saved...and a Bhuddist, Hindu, Pagan, Atheist etc.

What about a Muslim adult who was born mentally insane?

He is saved too abi?

Pastor olodo.

PastorOluT:
Ur first statement I am 'judging n condemning people to Hell', can u show me just one of my post that says that?

So u still think we will be judged by the law? No wonder u have such understanding.

Why will a child go to Hell? Irrespective of what his parent believes he is saved, please kindly explain the work of redemption Christ wrought 'cos I don't think u understand that.

Before you flee from the issue:

You say only believers will go to heaven. Now you say a muslim child can go to heaven.

You see that your doctrine is a lie?

Elampiro will not rest until Pope Francis is dead.

I don't know what Pope Francis did to him.

I don't even know the essential message he's trying to pass.

I guess he just wants the man dead.

PastorOluT:
Thank God u are coming around for the first part of this post, so what are we saying n what are u commenting n disagreeing with?

And as for James, he was talking about works born out of faith as ur works shows ur faith. Though Paul preaches n emphasizes grace alone, bt u can't imagine him commiting adultery n those heinous sins? In fact he already kept all the law n was perfect according to it when he was yet to encounter Christ. Bt do u know what he did? He count it all bygone for Christ sake 'cos he came to realize that his work never count when it comes to grace.

NB I noticed u miss up salvation n justification, pls can u show the difference or are they d same to u?

You are just blowing meaningless grammar.

A man is justified by his works, not by faith alone (James 2:24). That is what the Bible says. Stop looking for ways to twist it.

A man of faith can commit sin. That's why Jesus told those who call him "Lord, Lord," "away from me, you workers of iniquity."

That's why even St. Paul was worried about his own salvation.

PastorOluT:
Judging non-christians, nah, calling a spade a spade isn't judging bt love in is real sense. In fact I am showing more love telling them the truth n showing what's obvious that they might see the light n be saved, rather than being an hypocrite or nonchallant to their error which is detrimental to their soul.

You are judging and condemning non-christians to hell...the same way the Jews condemned Gentiles to hell.

Paul told them Gentiles who didn't have the law wouldn't be judged by the law. You want Paul to come back to earth to tell you non-christians who don't have the commandments of Christ will not be judged by it?

You think God is unfair and selfish like you pentecostals?

If you say only believers will go to heaven, what about a child who dies at the age of 2.

He will go to hell?

Tell me!

Bidam:
i already did answer, maybe in a manner you do not like. The sheep are true believers while the goats are never saved to start with.

In addition you can answer why the thief on the cross was saved, was it as a result of his works?

Show me where the passage says that.

What I can see the passage say is "for I was hungry and you gave me to eat"...etc (good works)

The thief prayed to Jesus. Prayer is a good work. Prayer is all he had the opportunity to do...and he did it.

dein77:
Yes. You won.

God wins, not me.

It was he that said "a man is justified by his works," not me.

Bidam:
Believers are saved unto good works. They are not saved because of good works. Read vv46..it says the righteous to eternal life. Once a believer accepts the gift of salvation which is free, he has eternal life and it comes naturally for him to do good especially to those of the household of faith.

Like a true protestant hypocrite, you avoided the question:

Why did the sheep in Matt 25:31-46 go to heaven and the goats to hell?

dein77:
U go talk tire. Stronger mouths have, in wisdom, left the scene of argument.

You left when I proved you were contradicting the bible.

You said a man is not justified by works.

God says a man is justified by works. (James 2:24)

Bidam:
kai! na wa for you o..works are for rewards not for salvation.why are u contradicting paul and the holy spirit?

Why did the sheep in Matt 25:31-46 enter heaven?

shdemidemi:
Genesis 15

6 Abram believed the Lord, and the Lord considered his response of faith as proof of genuine loyalty. NET

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. KJV

Abraham was not made righteous/justified because he worked but because he believed. When you understand this bit, it will be easier to understand who this particular James is (he is the step brother of Jesus), to whom he was speaking to and the conditions surrounding what he said.

Under a legalistic system/ temple worship James was perfectly in tune with God concerning the message to the scattered jews but under the gospel of liberty in Christ where God takes up the work to make a believer will and do, Paul's message remains relevant to the church(mix multitude, jews and gentiles but one body) as we have it today.



Were they even speaking of or about grace in the verses you quoted? There was a place for works in the old testament before the death of Christ and a place for grace after His death. The grace dispensation ends at rapture and we will have the era of the Great tribulation which will demand works from those who shall be saved. The two, grace and works can never mix.

Keep fooling yourself.

The Bible clearly says a man is justified by his works, not faith alone.

Matt 25:31-46 clearly shows that people are entering heaven because they did good to their neighbour.

But you are hell-bent on your heresy.

enigmaotr:
The reference Jesus made to eating his flesh and drinking his blood is a metaphorical way of describing the person who draws on, claims, or lays hold of the reality of his atoning sacrifice by putting personal faith in him. We've constantly got to come back to that.
The Gospels capture that from beginning to end.
If you read what leads up to them in the book from which they come, again and again you'll find that the problem answers itself, because the foundation for resolving it has already been laid.
Eating His flesh and drinking His Blood does mean coming to Christ,as Jesus indicated in John 6:37,
“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out” (John 6:37).
It means that the convert leaves behind all other hopes of salvation, and actually comes to the risen Christ. Thus, the convert partakes of the flesh and blood of Christ. The convert is united to Christ by faith.
It means that whoever receives Christ has eternal life now.Look at verse 54.
“Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life…” (John 6:54).
Now look at verse 47,
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47).
So, Jesus clearly tells us that “eating [His] flesh and [drinking His] blood”means believing on Him! It means more than believing things about Him.It means believing “on” him – trusting Him, coming to Him. The moment you come to Jesus and are united with Him, you have everlasting life!
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47).
In that moment, Christ’s Blood cleanses you from all sin. In that moment, His death on the Cross propitiates the wrath of God against your sin, and you have eternal life!

The Last Supper proves you a liar.

it wasn't a metaphor.

He took bread, blessed, broke it and said: "This is my body."

enigmaotr:
Read John 6:47, 54 to find out what Jesus actually meant.
He wasn't in anyway talking about the wafer as in the pictures below, was he?

Of course he wasn't talking about wafer...he was talking about his flesh...which we eat.

Omowhara:
No law has been created.

No law will be created.

Nobody from the Catholic Church gave you that reason.

If you don't have facts, maybe you should shut up.[/........ hey mr catholic... Before u tell ur self to shut up.. It was said on The World right now with Hala Gorani on CNN last night... Your pope has been a pro gay for years now and was an advocate for civil union in Argentina when the issue of civil union was brought up for debate, but he lost out as other bishops kicked against it.. Source CNN- the world right now with hala gorani

Is that the law that changed?

Till tomorrow, homosexual acts are sinful according to Catholic teaching.

Till eternity.

Dbryan:
Consult your bible

My bible doesn't say God destroyed those places because they accepted homosexuals.

is that what yours says?

elampiro:
You cannot declare to the world that you are a fornicator, adulterer, an armed robber, etc and you take pride in it, then expect the church to welcome you as a sworn armed robber or fornicator. Homosexuals aren't asking Jesus or the church to forgive them of their sins or that they are willing to repent. They are asking the world and the church to accept their ways just as you have in a husband and wife. Don't you get it?

You did not follow the build up to the Synod? See, they are going to declare divorce, cohabitation (fornication in boyfriend and girlfiriend relationship), homosexuality etc as things acceptable and the church to give them holy communion. This is where things are headed by the final Synod of October 2015.

The document they published was even not the position of the majority of the Synod. Pope Francis went out of rules to add six of his men to the document drafting committee. No African bishop was there. Africans were some of the most vocal bishops in support of Traditional views.

You needed to follow the build up to this Synod to know what they are driving at. There were lots of interviews given by the Cardinals before the Synod. Pope Francis also gave interviews and he did not hide which side he supported. Cardinal Walter Kasper clearly told journalist that he had the backing of Pope Francis.

You have said a lot of things about Pope Francis.

Why not wait until he says that fornication is no longer a mortal sin...

or that sex is no longer for married couples...

or that communion can be received by someone in mortal sin...

Then you can kill him...or you want to kill him now?

Keep calm and don't worry.

Pray instead.

^^^

This man is still after Pope Francis.

Did Pope Francis steal your wife?

Are you saying homosexuals are not welcome and they dont have gifts and qualities to offer?

That they're totally useless and should be cast out?

What about liars, fornicators, thieves, corrupt officials...other sinners? Are we all totally useless without gifts and qualities to offer?

Should we all be cast out?

Who then will remain in the Church?

Jesus and Mary alone?

^^^

Jesus Christ: "Take, eat. This is my body."

Enigmaotr: "Take, eat. This is mere wafer."

Urheme: "Take, eat. This is imaginary flesh."

Dbryan:
Is the church accepting them to help change their orientation and inculcate in them that God made it to be between a male and a female or are they being welcum cux they have 'qualities and gift'to offer thereby polluting the body of Christ?hmm some persons need to be reminded the reasons why God destroyed sodom and gomorah.

Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

Noneroone:
please read the comment again, i mean your argument is funny.

Please let me come back to you when you have something to say.

Thanks.

shdemidemi:
When I say a thing and end with a 'but', It means what I said earlier can be discarded all together.

E.g 'she is beautiful but ... '. The listener can as well discard that beautiful and draw a conclusion from the statement that follows the 'but'.


If your Catholic Church says we are saved by grace, why come up with a 'but'. When you add the 'but' only to include works, can we still regard the first statement that says 'The Catholic Church says we are saved by the grace of God ' as a valid statement?

What spirit inspired Paul when he said- Romans 11:6

And if it is by grace, it is no longer by works, otherwise grace would no longer be grace

Going by this scripture, can the Catholic Church say salvation is by grace (meaning a gift from God) but works is yet a requisite to the same salvation that was said to be a gift?

Abraham was saved by the grace of God. Yet he had to be justified by his works.

The sheep in Matt 25:31-46 were saved by the grace of God. Yet they had to respond to that grace by doing good to neighbour.

It was the Holy Spirit that said these things.

Why do you disregard him?

Bobbysworld28:
rom4.21-24.kjv And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;


The above did not come by the inspiration of satan. There is an article I will share with u.
No one is fighting with u, but u always seem at war within urself. This constantly shows up in ur writings.
Be dt as it may, u will still be schooled properly

Amen. I believe that if we believe (have faith), we will be justified, as the Holy Spirit says in Rom 4.

But the Holy Spirit never says that if (have faith ALONE), we will be justified.

He says in James 2 that "a man is justified by his works, not by faith ALONE."

Why do you disbelieve the Holy Spirit and insist on schooling him, protestant?

Noneroone:
sorry but u sound so pathetic!

Attack the argument, not the person.