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Catholics aren't Christians. We are antiChrists. That is why we compiled the Holy Bible in the fourth century to fool you. That is why we changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday...and you foolishly follow us.

Only Penterascals are Christians...and they believe the Bible which antiChrists compiled...and worship on the day that antiChrists chose.

FOOOOOOOOOLS!

God didn't forsake Jesus, that's why he rose the third day and lives forever.

Jesus was lamenting as a human being at that time...and we all do lament that way, even though God never forsakes his children.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Am I on trial? See questions!


I give up ooo

Give up on what?

Ukutsgp:
the catholic does nt have the fullness of truth but lies. Have u asked yourself why they broke away? Will they just wake up and say they are leaving?

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Hiswordxray:
Chrisrians do not have human nature for we have the nature of God (2Peter 1:4).

By ourselves we can do nothing, man may try but fail a thousand times. But I think the cause of the problem is that we emphasize too mush on holiness, correct doctrine, proper religious practices, right religious teaches, sin management and etc. We focus too mush on the issue of sin and this produce fear and confusion. As Christians are call to look unto Jesus but not sin, holiness or how to escape hell. I have listen to many sermon where the preacher keep mentioning hell and sin but hardly every mention Jesus except in prayer. We are to look away unto Jesus: look away from sin, doctrine, theology, denomination, holiness, prosperity, healing and look unto Jesus for in him we are united as one body.

So you believe God's Church has been led astray from what God wants it to teach?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Your pope is flip flopping on doctrine.

No proof

AllNaijaBlogger:
Thou shalt not kill. that rule in the bible comes with caveats. People were killed in war in the old testament.

What are the caveats? Kill one who is suffering seemingly unending pain?

How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?

AllNaijaBlogger:
1) we are both Christians and we shouldn't lie about our religion. Faith has its limits. You cannot use religion to decide on stem cell research or public policy, for instance.

2) Vatican has no standing to condemn her or her actions. She is not a Catholic. She doesn't even believe in their afterlife. If the want to condemn suicide, they can, but to mention her is just wrong.

And catholic doctrine does not equal truth. Even your new pope is remixing the doctrine.

3) many people were wrongly diagnosed. She, on the other hand had an illness that would definitely kill her. Unless you want to dispute her diagnosis.


4) physical pain. Medical diagnosis. Terminal illness. Please note these three things.

If you can't see the difference between a person suffering these 3 things and a person with a simple heartbreak, then there is no need talking to you.

1. I'm not sure we are both Christians. Christians should abhor killing. Faith has no limits. Most of the laws of every country are based on religion.

2. There is nothing wrong in the Vatican mentioning that her action was wrong. Are you a Muslim? Do you believe in '72 virgins for terrorists? Did you never mention that Abubakar Shekau or Bin Laden is doing wrong? You just feel like finding fault with the Vatican.

Catholic doctrine is truth. Prove that the Pope remixed doctrine.

3. The same thing was said of those who recovered. "The illness will definitely kill them." You never know, so why KILL, Mr "christian?"

4. You call it "simple heartbreak" but those who have committed suicide as a result wouldn't describe it that way. They'd see themselves as the most afflicted in the world.

If you can't understand that, there's no need talking to you.

AllNaijaBlogger:
Catholic doctrine is not the same as truth.

A law is useless if it is not effective or sensible.

Does it make sense to have a law against suicide? Can you arrest the offender?

Lest you forget, the Catholic Church tortured people....Some to the point of begging for death. Some pains are worse than death

How is Catholic doctrine not truth?

Who decides what makes a law useful, sensible and/or effective? You?

It's God that made law against suicide, Mr "christian." He said "thou shalt not kill" thy neighbour. God's law is senseless, useless and ineffective?

You are against torture but in favour of killing?

Kay17:
Assuming Meaningless suffering existed, would you still feel nothing about it?

I don't know. It doesn't exist. Period.

Syncan:
Let us go rejoicing to the house of the Lord ---psalm 122:1
Today's responsorial psalm got me thinking...how wonderful the joy of a soul that has been cleared for heaven. Consider what it means to a deacon, after being delayed for some years, was told he will be ordained a priest finally, some priests have been known to shed tears of joy. Or could you imagine with what joy, a woman who has waited to get pregnant for some years, receive the news of her pregnancy, shedding tears of joy and praising God loudly there and then is a common feature. There is excitement when we achieve what we aim for.
If one is not a saddist, there is a kind of fulfilment that makes you sleep satisfied, when you become instrumental to another's happiness. You can ask Italo and the vincentians.... hahaha, you may not know, I went to sleep in such manner when I heard the news of Salc's surgery, damerry's exams, babestell's interview, Mariagorreti's new job and others, because I prayed for them all, in company of you.
Even much greater is the excitement when a soul is on his/her way to heaven, so even much satisfying it is to know you've given a helping hand. God's people of old knew this, for they said "it is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosened of their sin"---2Macc12:46. Did they not go to the extent of receiving baptism on behalf of the dead----1Cor 15:29 ? Holy charity! The church did guide this charity of theirs when St. John directed them on who to pray for---1Jn5:16, and when the church abandoned the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead.
Is there a relative or aquaintance of yours who is gone, would you have loved to see him/her happy in heaven? There's a chance for you, pray, book/attend masses, offer fasts, difficulties, injuries borne graciously, etc, for the repose of their souls, this is the month of november, the church prays for the souls in purgatory. Join in this praiseworthy practice, a fulfilment of the communion of saints....This is our faith.
Good morning brethren, a splendid day ahead to all.

I can tell you...that the feeling I get when I see a suffering person relieved, partly or totally due to my effort, is indescribable.

To see that gaze from one whose tears you just turned into smiles.

I just imagine how our brothers and sisters in purgatory gaze at us when our prayers help release them into the beatific vision.

What heartfelt prayers they must offer for us.

May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Amen.

The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth...it has that completely right.

There is division simply because so called Christians broke away from it.

allen6758:
No one has it completely right.

How can we go about that without exploring how the division occurred in the first place?

Tell me what you think we should do.

dein77:
I think we should rather pay more attention to bridging this division.

Honestly, I flow along with every Christian. But that's not the case with most Christians.

1. There is no limit to our faith.

2. The Vatican didn't condemn her, it condemned her actions. Does one have to be a Muslim to condemn ISIS brutality? The Vatican has every right to tell the world what is true!

3. Many people have been diagnosed to die, but they didn't. How can you kill when yo are not even sure of the prognosis?

4. My examples are not ridiculous. If you condone killing because one is suffering pain, how can you condemn suicide when the person is suffering pain?

Many heartbroken people often say and think that their life is over too, so why not condone their suicide?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Euthanasia is not a choice I would make as a christian. But we should learn to know the limits of our faith.
The woman in question is not a Catholic and the Vatican has no right to condemn her for her choice.
The woman believes she will rest eternally after killing herself. It is her belief and her life. She was going to die and she chose her own way of dying.



The woman was medically diagnosed. Your examples using bad grades and heartbreak are just ridiculous. A medical diagnosis of impending death is a more serious issue

Nothing. It doesn't exist.

Kay17:
What do you think about meaningless suffering?

dein77:
My guy, it's being a long time. Happy to have you here.

The matter wey dry ground na serious one ooo

Thank you.

Very serious matter.

But how can Christians pretend to want a solution when they are avoiding the genesis of the issue?

If you don't know when or how a problem occured, how can you solve it?

The critical question is: when and how did this disunity come about?

Euthanasia sets a bad example.

What example do you set by accepting this lady killing herself because she is undergoing pain?

What would you say to your son who wants to kill himself because he cant make good grades in school...or to your suicidal daughter who is undergoing immeasurable pain due to a heartbreak?

Wouldn't you be hypocritical to try to prevent them?

chibecanglobal:
So what do you suggest she ought to have done ?
Continue to bear the unbearable pains until when?
Remember that her medical condition was irreversable and she was already in a vegetable condition with the constant pains and she was just 29.
Haba!..What is the meaning of life to you if it is deprived of its purpose?

How can you be sure that her medical condition was irreversible?

There are countless people whose medical conditions were deemed irreversible, only for them to make a partial or complete recovery e.g Jacqueline Cole, Teisa Franklin, Scott & Jeff Muller and countless others.

That is just ONE of the reasons euthanasia is wrong.

You KILL without being sure of the prognosis.

In the 15th century, the stupidly broke away from God's one true Church...

In the 21st century, they're stupidly asking why there's no unity among Christians.

Ajibam:
If you've been in the church for a while, I'm
sure you've heard this phrase: Love the sinner,
hate the sin.

We know we're called to love all people, but
we use this phrase to explain how we can love
people, even when we don't agree with how
they're living their lives.
It's understandable that we'd desire a phrase
like this. It's hard to know how to love
someone who is doing things we know are
clearly wrong or harmful to them. We don't
know how to love that person while not
feeding into the belief that what they're doing
is okay.
Our love for people and our conviction about
what they're doing are two heavy things to
carry, and we often find ourselves falling to
one side of grace or truth.
And while this is a valid and understandable
struggle, I don't know if this phrase is really
the key to solving this tension.

Here are three reasons I'm not sure this
phrase is helping us become more like Christ:
1. It introduces hate into the conversation.
The first thing to note is that Jesus has never been
about hate. Jesus talks about love and grace
and mercy, but never hate. So introducing
hate into the conversation is automatically a
deviation from His teaching.
Also, if you've ever been on the receiving end
of the "love the sinner, hate the sin" mentality,
it's hard to feel the difference between your
sin being the target of the hate and being the
target yourself.

2. Jesus didn't shame people. The woman at
the well and the prostitute in the square are
great examples of how Jesus treated sin and
the people trapped in it.
In the case of the prostitute in the square,
while the Pharisees were up in arms about her
sin, Jesus paid little attention to it. He didn't
condemn her, or shame her, or make a point of
loving her but not her actions. He just loved
her. And then He gently guided her toward a
different kind of life.

3. Changing someone's sin isn't our
responsibility.
"Love the sinner, hate the sin"
implies that other people's sin is our
responsibility to fix—as if we're going to
change the sin by treating it a certain way—
and that's just not true. When we make
ourselves the "sin police" we get into murky
territory, straying far to the side of truth and
losing much of our grace.
We aren't responsible for fixing, or removing,
or condemning someone's sin. We're
responsible for love. God takes care of the
rest.
Tags:Italo, FrancisTony, chukwudi44,salC..
Does this pertains to what one of you guys said on a thread about homosexuality, that you love the sinner but hate the sin!
http://ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-life/relationships/21309-debunking-the-love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin-myth

John 12:25

25 Those who love their life lose it, and those who hate their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

Luke 14:26

26 “Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple

Tell me again, who introduced hate into the conversation? We...or Jesus?

Now that I have debunked you and your fallacious erroneous ministrytodaymag.com can we move to other things...or do you still want to argue blindly?

Leave those false teachers and come to God's one true Church.

paulGrundy:
There is no if sir, its actually true.

Confirm this quote at watchtower official online library website.

www.wol.jw.org

Again, they lied!

Now where do false prophesies come from? God or satan?

Jehovah's Witnesses have been lying since inception. This, if true, is the smallest of their lies.

Praying for the dead is perfectly biblical.

2 Maccabees 12:38-46

38 - So Judas having gathered together his army, came into the city Odollam: and when the seventh day came, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath in the place.

39 - And the day following Judas cam with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchres of their fathers.

40 - And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth the Jews: so that all plainly saw, for this cause they were slain.

41 - Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden.

42 - And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain.

43 - And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

44 - (For if he had not hoped that the that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

45 - And because he considered that the who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

46 - It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

zboyd:
First, if you're familiar with any of my posts on the deceptive nature of some pastors, you would know that I'm not one to be deceived by Slick Rick wolves in sheep's clothing.

Second, even if the aforementioned pastors are "just businessmen" and "scammers", shouldn't they, at least, be in agreement that all scriptural teachings be the same - not different, according to what's laid out in the Bible? There should be no opposing poles. It confuses congregants - makes them question the validity of their pastor. That's no good.

Third, for me, I'm pro-choice. It's the woman's choice - her conscience - her decision if chooses to abort at the bequest of a boyfriend or husband.

Fourth, I'm not Jewish. However, I am continually amazed at the number of Christians who don't know or...conveniently choose to overlook the fact that, Jesus was born to Jewish (Hebrew) parents, circumcised as a Jew 8 days after birth, raised as a Jew, died on the cross as "The King Of The Jews", entombed in a crypt, according to Jewish rites, resurrected as a Jew...and...castigate Judaism and the Jewish people like it's no tomorrow.

Very weird...

These scammers cannot give you the whole truth because they simply dont have it. The Holy Spirit guides his Church into all truth and they are not a part of that Church.

2. You mean it is fair for two or more human beings to eliminate another one if their conscience permits them?

Can I agree with someone else to kill you if our consciences permit?

3. I don't understand how the talk of 'castigating Judaism and Jewish people entered this matter. Who castigated anyone?

Are you suggesting that Christians should accept everything 'Jewish' as true simply because Christ was a Jew?

VirginFinder:
You are either lying or being mischievous.
Come on, go and read those passages again and with an open mind.

The word 'homosexual' did not exist in Bible times. That's why the word wasnt used. It's also why Apostle Paul resorted to making a vivid description of what makes up homosexual acts.

The word didn't exist in biblical times, yet you lied that the Bible defined a non-existent word.

jnrbayano:

Wetin!

Lol...

Please oh. You people should not read more meaning than necessary into all I said.

Don't we all have people that we have tremendous affection for...who may or may not be a 'lover' or spouse?

I think many people are just scared to use words that make us feel weak for someone else.

Was it a sin when Jesus provided alcohol at the Cana wedding?

Was it a sin when early Christians were drinking alcohol, like us, during Holy Mass? 1Cor11:21

Was it a sin when Jesus drank alcohol (Matt 11:19)?

What about Paul telling Timothy to drink alcohol (1Tim5:23)?

Humble yourself and quit that heresy that only has lies, half truths and contradictions to offer.

Rich4god:
Chai... Italo, e be like d more u say, d more proof dey gt to nail u...

Don't worry. I don't care whether I'm nailed or not.

I'm just glad to say what I feel.

Babestell, don't mind all these story mongers.

Something happened on Youth Harvest day, two Sundays ago.

I spotted someone in ACSHL polo shirt with "babestell" at the back. You need to see how my eyes lit up and my heart beat faster.

All I thought about was to walk up to you, tap you from behind, shine my 32 teeth and spend a good number of seconds in your warm embrace (and you know you've got what can make a brother wanna rest in that hug)....

Then I walked closer, only to find that it wasn't you wearing the shirt.

Why did you play that trick on me?

*all of una wey spread mat...make una dey observe siesta go o.

Syncan:
Italo In smokie's voice.*for 2(4) yrs have been leaving next door to aliceBabestell* Love song Tinz

Lol

Kamsified:
1.And we all know that since Italo left the seminary, he's been looking for wife
2.You also notice that they always know something about each other
3. it's either she's the one Italo is zooming or they are siblings but I prefer fiancé cos it's more romantic

I have never seen the walls of a seminary, not even while passing by.

SalC:
Or maybe they are about to get married, it's not often you hear Italo say he's missing someone, besides; the tone sounds more romantic

I think I have this regret that she was there in my parish all the time and we weren't really friends...just acquaintances, then I got meet an amazing Catholic girl on nairaland, who now lives in PH, only to find out, she had been next to me for years.

Forgive me...I tend to be very soft...in certain matters.