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This is the closing part of the Exsultet as found on Wikipedia (Latin and English). Read it and tell me what is wrong with that.

Altar Boy, pay little attention to the enemies of the Church who are prowling day and night looking for a way to entrap the Church with its statements and practises....just as Jesus' enemies did.

Orámus ergo te, Dómine,
ut céreus iste in honórem tui nóminis consecrátus,
ad noctis huius calíginem destruéndam,
indefíciens persevéret.
Et in odórem suavitátis accéptus,
supérnis lumináribus misceátur.

Flammas eius lúcifer matutínus invéniat:
ille, inquam, lúcifer, qui nescit occásum.
Christus Fílius tuus,
qui, regréssus ab ínferis, humáno géneri serénus illúxit,
et vivit et regnat in sæcula sæculórum.

R/ Amen.

Therefore, O Lord,
we pray you that this candle,
hallowed to the honour of your name,
may persevere undimmed,
to overcome the darkness of this night.
Receive it as a pleasing fragrance,
and let it mingle with the lights of heaven.
May this flame be found still burning
by the Morning Star:
the one Morning Star who never sets,
Christ your Son,
who, coming back from death's domain,
has shed his peaceful light on humanity,
and lives and reigns for ever and ever.
Amen

I should be asking you.

Since Christ has atoned for their sins, why did Peter have to preach to them?

dein77:
No amount of good works can atone for the sins of man; only Christ could do that. He has already done that!

Why did God send Apostle Peter to bring the Gospel of Christ to Cornelius even after Cornelius prayers and almsgiving were approved of by God?
Jn 14.6.

Olodo pastor. See how St. Paul makes a fool of you. The passage below clearly shows that:

1. People who don't believe in Christ can go to heaven.

2. It is not you hearers that will go to heaven, but DOERS!

12 All who have sinned apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God, through Jesus Christ, will judge the secret thoughts of all.

Again, I ask.

You believe that people who dont know Jesus but do good will go to hell while those who believe in Jesus but do bad will go to heaven?

PastorOluT:
Are u for real, are u a real at all?

What does no one come to the father but by me mean to u?

U don't even understand the fundamentals of xtianity, u talk of doctrines, what is the doctrine of salvation according to the scriptures n not ur feelings or though?

PastorKun:
Just as I thought, you would run away from defining the issues I raised. That said I would not bother to answer your questions since I know they border on the recent Tb. Joshua and Orisejafor scandals both of whom I condemn their acts and lies in all0 entirety.

Unlike you, I call a spade a spade and condemn all false teachings irrespective of which denomination is promoting the teaching. Once again, I challenge you to define Idolatory.

I see. You can't define "money laundering," "adultery," & "invisible bomb," yet you say I'm the one running away.

Hypocrisy!

PastorOluT:
Smile, why not be sincere to urself. U know quite well no true Christian agree to or encourage adultery or fornication, so why bring that, or u think this is what the op is about? Then i am very sorry for ur level of comprehension, not surprise 'cos a carnal man can't understand the things of the spirit.

This is co simple for anyone to comprehend, we are nt saved by good works, bt rather we are saved which is why we do good works. When u see a spirit filled xtian u will always see the fruit, bt for the fact u see fruit of righteousness doesn't make one a true xtian. Or ow do u reconcile those of other religions bearing fruit of righteousness, would their righteousness make them saved.

U seriously need the Holy Spirit bro to be able to discern these things!

So you believe that all those who don't believe in Christ are hell bound even if they are good to their neighbour, like the good samaritan...

And all those who believe in Jesus are heaven bound, even ignore the plight of their neighbour, like the goats in Matt 25:31-46?

Your doctrine is from SATAN!

Goshen360:
Holiness doesn't mean sinlessness. They're preaching holiness as sinlessness but they still ask for forgiveness of sin. In Christ, we're holy......meaning SEPARATED UNTIL GOD AND DEDICATED UNTO GOD.

Ah! Even if you use private jet to launder money to South Africa, it doesn't matter. You're holy and heaven-bound.

"Away from me, you workers og iniquity. I never knew you"

^^^That is the cry from the master.

PastorKun:
Can you define holiness? Also whilst you are at it can you also define idolatry?

You define them...

While you're at it, also define "adultery," "invisible bomb" that demolishes 6 storey buildings, and "money laundering."

PastorOluT:
Sorry for u, reasons u guys can never enjoy Christianity.

And as u reply pastorkun, also state what u understand by being led by the Holy Spirit?

We enjoy the Christianity that Jesus preached: "carry your CROSS daily and follow me."

You enjoy the heresy that allowed Pastor COZA to tell Ese that committing adultery with her is showing her "another level of grace."

"Away from me, you workers of iniquity, I never knew you" is Jesus' answer for you.

God wants us to be holy and stay away from sin.

If you contradict that, you are no different from the prosperity preachers who want all the benefits they can get from God without making any sacrifice.

You're all heretics!

Kay17:
I punish the child. If a man commits murder, the State punishes him with the death penalty! The murderer loses his own life for his actions.

italo:
If your child steals from you, would you hate both him and his crime?

It's a "yes" or "no" question.

The kind that you dodge by all means to hide the giant flaws in your thinking.

nobilis:
Euthanasia is not murder. Not all killing is murder. That is why a court differentiates manslaughter from murder. Euthanasia isn't murder neither is it even manslaughter. And I still reiterate, baloney or not, unless you've been in a particular situation, do not judge.

For example, unless you've had a family member who in what is medically known as permanent vegetative state, you won't understand. When you've spent all your money trying to sustain someone who is living off of machines and who has no hope of waking up, then you'll understand. Have you ever wondered why people who are in advanced stages of illness sign DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) forms in hospitals.

Have you ever been faced with the prospect of raising a rapist's or an armed robber's child. Has any of your female relatives been raped before and she got pregnant? Or has your wife been raped by an armed robber and she got pregnant for him? Until you've been in these situations, stop using the morality card. Never you judge these issues from the sidelines.

The Catholic Church will always try to save its face as the traditionalist that it is. Secondly, no Pope will want to be responsible for any such sweeping changes in the church's theology. That's why when anyone becomes pope, even if he was a liberal and progressive before, he becomes conservative after he becomes pope (Benedict XVI is a perfect example). Before any such changes occur, an ecumenical council will have to be the one to decide that. And make such changes. And such contemporary issues as contraception, euthanasia, abortion, etc, became prominent after the conclusion of Vatican Council II.

As for that definition of marriage you gave above, who gave such a definition. Pray tell.

This post is riddled with fallacies and ignorant assumptions.

1. How is euthanasia not murder?

2. Do I have to be in a situation to know whether an action right or wrong? Wait until you're Pope then before you judge whether our Popes are right or wrong. Rubbish!

3. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI was always conservative.

4. No Council can change a dot in the teachings of the Catholic Church.

They hide their sickness because it proves that their prosperity "it is not my portion" gospel is a LIE FROM SATAN.

Kay17:
@ubenedictus

I hardly understand how you able to separate an individual from his actions when his actions are what defines the individual's identity. Let me break down a bit, a true Christian proves his faith through his actions. His actions are his fruits by which he is known. Equally a sinner is known to be a sinner by his sins. So it is an abstract to love a person and then hate his actions; to persecute his crimes without persecuting his person. The Catholic Church in he past, has burnt heretics for their heresy, hence it is misplaced to love a heretic and burn his person for his heresy.

If your child steals from you, would you hate both him and his crime?

It seems like you Atheists just deliberately shut down a part of your brains when you want to criticize religion.

The Archbishop's statement is clear enough for anyone who reasons.

I doesn't call for long arguments.

But what the couple said is exactly what the Church has taught for millenia.

It's in the Catechism:

1643 "Conjugal love involves a totality, in which all the elements of the person enter - appeal of the body and instinct, power of feeling and affectivity, aspiration of the spirit and of will. It aims at a deeply personal unity, a unity that, beyond union in one flesh, leads to forming one heart and soul; it demands indissolubility and faithfulness in definitive mutual giving; and it is open to fertility. In a word it is a question of the normal characteristics of all natural conjugal love, but with a new significance which not only purifies and strengthens them, but raises them to the extent of making them the expression of specifically Christian values."

III. THE LOVE OF HUSBAND AND WIFE 2360 Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament. 

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."
Tobias got out of bed and said to Sarah, "Sister, get up, and let us pray and implore our Lord that he grant us mercy and safety." So she got up, and they began to pray and implore that they might be kept safe. Tobias began by saying, "Blessed are you, O God of our fathers.... You made Adam, and for him you made his wife Eve as a helper and support. From the two of them the race of mankind has sprung. You said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; let us make a helper for him like himself.' I now am taking this kinswoman of mine, not because of lust, but with sincerity. Grant that she and I may find mercy and that we may grow old together." And they both said, "Amen, Amen." Then they went to sleep for the night.[143] 

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude."[144] Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:  
The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.[145] 

2363 The spouses' union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple's spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.  
The conjugal love of man and woman thus stands under the twofold obligation of fidelity and fecundity

Which day una go pray for me?

Good morning, friends.

Kizmarty, may God bless you and keep you in his grace, love and mercy...today and always.

^^^

Amen

Dear friends, please forgive me for going AWOL.

I have been planning "THE FEST" - Archdiocese of Lagos Family Music Festival.

www.thefestnigeria.com

It's so tedious that I barely have time for other things.

I love you.

jnrbayano: ......and Jesus Christ's words which says, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" will never fail.

if only they knew that they were wasting their time where even the mighty Roman Empire failed.

We all know why they are after the Catholic Church. It is not because they are appalled by the sins of the child abusers. It is because they want to bring down God's Church.

Simple.

The devil doesn't fight against himself.

But Jesus loved religion.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

Jesus has set the example 2000 years ago.

Pray for FrancisToni...then ignore what he said.

@Peppyluv02, please don't let the sins and hypocrisy of many Catholics affect your faith. The apostles dissapointed Jesus many times, but he never gave up on the Church. Even Peter was tribalistic and hypocritical at a point. He first discriminated against the gentiles, then he paid lip service when others discriminated against them.

...and that was the first Pope of the Catholic Church.

Truth is, we are all hypocrites at one time or the other. What matters is whether we are repentant when it comes to our notice or not.

Peter repented when Paul admonished him. The Pharisees did not repent when Jesus admonished them.

Sweetheart, you have a lot of fire in you... and fire can be wonderfully helpful or disastrous.

Don't let your fire lead to undue hatred for anyone. Hatred harms you physically and spiritually.

Let your fire make you stand firm with Jesus when everyone tells you to do otherwise, let your fire break out in cheerfulness...even when all around you is negative, in short let your fire push you to forgive and move ahead rather than stand still and hold a grudge.

God loves you.

So network didn't allow my earlier congratulations...

I rejoice with you Damerry.

We bless the name of the Lord for this good news.

vest: hmm!! i finaly join dis nairaland(i tot i woundn't), gud evenin everybody.
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plz note dat pple ar learn 4rm u so try nd b very careful nd sure wen u post.

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Living The Faith!!

Welcome and thank you.

I'm sure that we can learn a whole lot more from one another.

I love the link already.

israel7732: model please
it could be board faults.

Eurostar.

Pure sine wave.

Can someone help?

The mains supply doesnt charge my inverter...neither does it allow the inverter to power the house on battery.

I have to disconnect the mains input wires from the inverter before I can run on battery as charged by solar.

what could be the problem?

thanks

emmyskies: Who tell you that one? Do you know the history of the King James bible?

Besides, 1633 KJV came over three hundred years before the catholic's Good News Bible

Woe to me for spending time arguing with such an arrogant ignoramus on other threads.

I should have spent my time counting beach sand.

PrinxArthur1: I got this friend of mine she`s a staunch roman catholic,while am an Anglican i want to know if there is a probability/possibility that she might change her denomination to Anglican in future? Any Reasonable contribution is accepted.

Since you talked about 'reason,' give us a good reason why a Catholic should abandon her faith and become Anglican.

emmyskies: Oh my goodness me! Wow!!! Did you just call the Holy Bible, the word of GOD mere sheets of paper?

And of course, you can't hold that pic against all christians because not all "pentecostal" churches bow to the Bible

1. Who named it "Holy Bible" and when and where did this happen? Another reason many protestants are bloody hypocrites. You follow Catholic Sacred Tradition...then you demonize Catholic Sacred Tradition.

2. I can hold it against all the protestants who hold one pic, one bad news, against all Cathoics.

There's nothing like "pentecostal churches" in the sense you are putting it. Jesus only founded one Church. The other shops are protesting against it.

I like.

Pray.

Pray for FrancisTony.

FrancisTony, pray for yourself...

Why do we underestimate the power of prayer?