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alentyno: Wonders won't end sha. What happeNned to your catholicism?
Remember this?





Italo,ubenedictus etc come save a soul o! Lol

Be patient. He will tell you why he attends a protestant church despite being Catholic, if he wants to.

There is no way the Catholic church could have faked the miracle of the sun, for example.

There were about a hundred thousand people there.

Common, haters!

True Catholics know.

The centre of our worship today, as it was 2000years ago, is the Eucharist - the body and blood of Christ.

jnrbayano: Good evening to you.

How body?

fine fine...

Good evening, friends.

I love you.

SalC: Lol Father na only you waka come? We need to contact Fr Gabriel Amorth ASAP.

Hehehe serious exorcism gone bad.

Many times, ecorcisms are not successful...or conclusive at first attempt.

When I discuss with some so-called Atheists here and tell them it's the devil using them, I'm not joking.

Just look at the response she Priest said he got and see she similarity to what you'd normally hear from logicboi or some of the other ones:

"Shut up, preacher. You cannot save yourself. . You pathetic old preacher."

A Christian should be able to discern the Holy Spirit...

...and the evil one.

Ubenedictus: Hehehehe,

what exactly did the old man do with the demon, e be like say dem dey play with each other.


Or some kid somewhere is playing pranks with the old man.

Demons are well capable of doing that and much more, from what I have found out.

The devil is real and active in the world.

Is someone doing something about getting the thread on front page?

Pls note that Sunday is the best day to have the thread on frontpage
That's when ppl get all religious n spiritual.

Ubenedictus: so what would be right? What happened to the church founded by christ and the apostles?

They are too ignorant, insincere and arrogant to answer this.

In the first place, none of us know if there was ever such a confession.

Yet some are already calling for the priest's head.

The devil fills men with unreasonable hatred.

Ubenedictus: i think the girls lawyer are wise in a bad way, the real criminal is dead, the church is the only remaining defendant, then the girl claims he told the priests the issue in the confessional, they know that,

1. The priest under canon law cannot affirm even seeing anybody in the confessional.
2 he can't affirm a confession happened.
3. He can't disclose what happened in the confessional.
4. He can't even defend himself by reporting he prudently advised the lady.
5. The lady is the only person who can relate what happened, and the court will judge the priest silience as admittance of guilt.

The end product is that the priest who probably did his job flawlessly goes to jail and the church pays millions to the family for damage.



So the question remains, does the court have the power to require the priest to talk about an issue that his religious beliefs prohibit him from talking about?
Does the court have power over the church? Does the first amendment hold?




If this case is decided against the priest then all priests in America are in trouble, they will be bundled before court to testify about crimes they heard in the confession.

But they dont go after rap artists who flaunt their crimes in their music: "I shot 5 niggaz..." etc...

...or people who come on tv and say "I used to be in the drug gang...I killed people" etc.

My brother, it's just the devil trying to bring down the Church of God.

alentyno: Brother mi dia is nothing to try.
In Good News Bible, Ps 45:10 addresses the queen as 'bride of the king' meaning she(the church) is the wife and not the mother of the king
#shalom

So your good news bible sees the Church as queen of heaven then.

Idolatry!

lacum: hahahahhaha, italo ur very funny. Na only am get Holy Spirit. Smh

No mind am....lol

alentyno: Who is the
queen here? It is the King's wife, his true and only wife; and
since the King is none other than the Messiah,
his Bride is the Holy Church, as the scriptures
declare ( Revelation 19:9; 21:9) See also
Ephesians 5:25.

The mother of the King was the Queen mother, not the wife.

The queen mother was the most influential personin the davidic kingdom. ..after the King.

King Solomon bowed before his mother.

Now try again!

Who is the Queen beside Jesus in Ps 45:9?

If the Priest divulged the girl's secret earlier, the same parents would sue him for breaking his oath.

Human beings!

alentyno: That's the point. God thru Jesus has opened up His glory unto us. Jesus reconciled us to him thru his death. Yet we still worship him as if we are still in bondage!
Btw u mean sumtin like when we say 'St joseph pray for us' we are actually saying 'pls st joseph pray to Jesus to pray to God?

You seem to think Jesus is not God.



Are you a Christian or a Muslim?

alentyno: You know exactly what am saying.

Yes, I do.

You're saying nonsense.

alentyno: Note the similarity
between this description and the description that
Joseph gave of his father Jacob (Israel) and his
mother and their children (Genesis 37:9-11). The
twelve stars refer to the twelve tribes of Israel. So
the woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
Additional evidence for this interpretation is that
Revelation 12:2-5 speaks of the woman being with
child and giving birth. While it is true that Mary
gave birth to Jesus, it is also true that Jesus, the
son of David from the tribe of Judah, came from
Israel. In a sense, Israel gave birth—or brought
forth—Christ Jesus. Verse 5 says that the woman’s
child was " a male child, who is to rule all the
nations with a rod of iron; and her child was
caught up to God and to His throne." Clearly, this
is describing Jesus. Jesus ascended to heaven
(Acts 1:9-11) and will one day establish His
kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-6), and He will
rule it with perfect judgment (the “rod of iron”;
see Psalm 2:7-9).
The woman’s flight into the wilderness for 1,260
days refers to the future time called the Great
Tribulation. Twelve hundred, sixty days is 42
months (of 30 days each), which is the same as 3
1/2 years. Halfway through the Tribulation period,
the Beast (the Antichrist) will set an image of
himself up in the temple that will be built in
Jerusalem. This is the abomination that Jesus
spoke of in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14. When
the Beast does this, he breaks the peace pact he
had made with Israel, and the nation has to flee
for safety—possibly to Petra (also see Matthew 24;
Daniel 9:27). This escape of the Jews is pictured as
the woman fleeing into the wilderness.
Revelation 12:12-17 speaks of how the devil will
make war against Israel, trying to destroy her
(Satan knows his time is short, relatively speaking
—see Revelation 20:1-3, 10). It also reveals that
God will protect Israel in the wilderness.
Revelation 12:14 says Israel will be protected from
the devil for "a time, times, and half a time (“a
time” = 1 year; “times” = 2 years; “half a time” =
one-half year; in other words, 3 1/2 years)

There is only one woman who gave birth to Jesus.

Her name is Mary.

Is Israel also the Queen in Ps 45:9?

alentyno: I didn't swallow anything. I believed in the word of God because anytime I studied and meditated on it, I knew through the help of the Holy spirit that the words in it are not ordinary at all! I NEVER BLIVED THAT IT IS GODS WORD BECOS THEY SAID SO!
#peace

So it is about what you claim the Holy Spirit revealed.

But when we too meditate on the other dogmas of the Church, we know through the help of the Holy Spirit that they are not ordinary.

Why then are you attacking us?

Are you the sole custodian of the Holy Spirit?

alentyno: That's the point Jesus is the greatest mediator btw God and man and yet 90% of our prayers are are offered thru other 'mediators' thereby neglecting the major mediator. Why?!

1. You just lied.

2. All prayers through saints are addressed to Jesus. We ask them to carry our prayers to him.

3. It seems you are part of the people talked about in the Bible. You look and look but do not see.

Every Catholic prayer starts and ends...

...in the name of the Father, AND OF THE SON, and of the Holy Spirit.

But unfortunately, Satan has made some so-called "Catholics" eternally deaf.

clean2: Someday soon this catholics will come to realise the dangerous truth that mary who they call queen of heaven is non other than a marine demonic spirit, then they will know that the real mary is humbly in heaven serving God without a single knowledge of their individual existence on earth

So the Mary that God crowned Queen in heaven (Rev 12:1) is a marine demonic spirit?

May God have mercy on your soul.

alentyno: You that have been reading it why don't you 'plainly' quote it..... Other than luke 1:28,41 which ironically is half of the full prayer. The second part which says she shud pray for you was simply cooked up by the church and in fact that's the major beef I have with our church leaders. They always invent dogmas out of nowhere (just like the pharisees did in the OT) and impose them on innocent disciples of christ.
The earlier you start asking questions the better for you. Yes I dare not question GOD nor His word (BIBLE) but bro I WILL NEVER EVER SWALLOW MEANINGLESS DOGMAS COOKED UP BY MEN that end up distracting me from what God is actually saying
MY DEAR BRO HALF TRUTH IS DEADLIER THAN IGNORANCE thread wisely. #peace

But you swallowed the dogma of the canon of scripture from the same Church leaders. They told you which book is inspired and and which one is not?

Who is fooling who?

alentyno: *smiles* really?
Please I want you to sincerely answer this:
Why do we catholics, yes you heard me right 'we'
Why are we so bent on inventing all manner of mediators (in the name of saints and the likes) btw us and God despite knowing Jesus christ is highest mediator we could ask of? Why?

It was God that 'invented' all sorts of mediators.

It was God that said to men: "whose sins you forgive is forgiven, and whose sins you retain are tretained."

That is man mediating, as 'invented' by God.

In the book of Revelation, John sees that "the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:. Thus the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.

Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3–4).

Jesus himself warned us not to offend small children, because their guardian angels have guaranteed intercessory access to the Father: "See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 18:10).

Because he is the only God-man and the Mediator of the New Covenant, Jesus is the only mediator between man and God (1 Tim. 2:5), but this in no way means we cannot or should not ask our fellow Christians to pray with us and for us (1 Tim. 2:1–4). In particular, we should ask the intercession of those Christians in heaven, who have already had their sanctification completed, for "[t]he prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects" (Jas. 5:16).

adsonstone: What kinda question is the bold?

The ambiguity of a statement is in relation to the subject of the discourse.

In relation to the issue the Pope was addressing- forgiveness of people that do not believe in God and what sin is to them, without mentioning "heaven" or saying anything about it makes it ambiguous.

Here's the original letter.

w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/letters/2013/documents/papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html

...and here's an English translation of it.

m.repubblica.it/mobile/r/sezioni/cultura/2013/09/11/news/the_pope_s_letter-66336961/?ref=search&mfil=1

Here are reports from Catholic sources and general media considering the statement.

www.catholicvote.org/atheists-can-go-to-heaven-did-pope-francis-say-something-new/

www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

I've pointed out what I meant...and I hope there's nothing else.

It's obvious you criticized without digesting the Pope's write-up.

See how the links you gave are talking about entirely different topics.

But it's okay. We've both pointed out what we meant.

dejilg: bro, why don't u just give it up! do u think dis catholic will stop defending the pope that is just anoda god in catholicism forget dis dude joor, he believes his church gave us d Bible and dat we all shld ff the traditions of the so called "one true church" while ours are fakes!

While you believe the Bible fell from the sky into the hands of the gods of men you call men of God of all the millions of shops you call "denominations."

...and you want us to follow those millions of contradictory traditions...

alentyno: O my friend please stop contradicting the bible please.
No one cometh to the father except through Jesus christ #peace

No Father cometh to you except through Mary.

Going to Jesus through Mary = Going to Jesus.

Through Mary, God came to mankind.

Through Mary, Mankind goes to God.

Allow me to nominate striktlymi and ubenedictus.

That's if they're willing to speak.



Good afternoon, all.

adsonstone: Jesus' preceding Statement.

28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

29 ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered.

Statement in question.

Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the
kingdom of God ahead of you.

Next, Jesus said;


32 "For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did.
And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him...

43 “...therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."


The subsequent statement(s) was to show exactly what Jesus said in the parable-repentant sinners are more likely to make Heaven than rebellious believers, fruitful strangers are preferred to unfruitful
sons.

When you study, pay attention to details.


....and yes, I did read the Pope's speech in full and there was no sort of clarification (within the speech)...though the media and some other Priests tried to explain what He really meant...and that's where the disagreement is. Also, He did not mention Heaven---and that makes the statement more ambiguous. You disagree?




...and now, you have cooked up a reason for me for 'criticizing' the pope.

Congratulations.

Any statement that doesn't mention heaven is ambiguous?

Do you even know what the pope was talking about?

adsonstone: There's no 'shifting the goal post' there.
That's not a different reason, it is just to buttress the point.

....and I'm not denying that the Pope wasn't wrong.

C'mon, you know how such statement can be taken especially when He wasn't specific on Heaven or elsewhere...and that makes it more ambiguous.

Jesus taught in parables but was specific/had a focal point...you disagree?

Jesus often made 'controversial' statements...but still had a focal point.

Jesus had a focal point as the Pope had a focal point. Jesus words can easily be misconstrued just like the Pope's words.

The problem is that you didn't care to know the Pope's focal point...but jumped unto ctiticizing him because he's the Pope...he's Catholic.

Now can you answer these questions on second attempt?

Where did Jesus clarify his statement?

And did you bother to read the Pope's full statement to see if he clarified?

Did the Pope ever mention "heaven" or say anything about it in the statement?

PastorOluT: Smile, [b]do u realize that dis say nothing in a whole lot of evidences available on the man?[/b It suits u 'cos that's what u were expecting anyways.

An insincere person would rather mutter meaningless this like the bold...than answer pertinent questions concisely.