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RationalDude: Nah, that's a lie. Being an atheist doesn't make one bitter. As an atheist, you are able to face life squarely knowing that there is (are) no deity (deities) to lay blames on. You mould your own destiny so to speak. Saying someone is inherently bitter because of a lack of belief in a deity is just irrational.

There is nothing irrational about being bitter because one's heart is devoid of love.

onetrack: Things common to atheists and theists:

Both generally believe they are more right than wrong about their beliefs.
Both tend to see the world in such a way as confirms their beliefs.


Obviously these are traits common to all humans.

By the way, atheists lack belief in any gods; very few atheists will say that they can prove that gods do not exist. Most atheists are actually "agnostic atheists" like myself. If a theistic god exists then it certainly hasn't done anything to reveal its existence.

Only your opinion.

elampiro: The bible is self explanatory. It didn't tell us to compromise. It didn't tell us that we should not seek forgiveness of our sins and handing over our sins to Jesus who is the sinner for us. It did not say we should teach that unbelievers should just do good without conversion.

Neither does Pope Francis teach those.

elampiro: Where did I say he is the Antichrist.

Revelation 13 has two people who will rule the world. One will be a head of the one world religion (Antipope) and the second the Antichrist the head of a one world government.

How does an "antipope" have more love than you?

People like you have called all the popes all sorts of unprintable names.

You will still call the next pope names...and the next...and the next.

elampiro: The Catholic priests should not have problem interpreting the catholic teachings. When that happens, it is no longer the Catholic church as handed over by the apostles.

The Catholic priests should be more perfect than Peter, abi.

The difficulty is more in application than interpretation.

elampiro: http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20130817-r.i.-priests-try-to-interpret-popes-remarks-on-gays.ece

You need more evidence? Don't you think we should let sleeping dogs lie?

If only there were "sleeping dogs."

elampiro: I remain silent on his. But the future will tell when the major changes come.

Never did we had this controversies in Pope John Paul II 25 years reign. Benedict did not bend the truth to suit human ears, and he is still alive.

Remember the prophecy of Malachy and other contemporary visionaries. Some said Benedict was the last Pope and when he would be forced to resign the Church and the world should be ready for errors as there will be an all inclusive church of one world religion tolerating sins and practicing new age religion. As the deception continues, the Holy Mass will be changed to something else and the church will finally split- one in error while the other retaining tradition. Then the true traditional church will come under a heavy persecution. Preaching about commandments will be outlawed and offenders arrested and sentenced for hate speech. Evil will be celebrated and have its hour.

Just want to stop here. Watchout for more changes in the future.

I get your point. You are saying Pope Francis is the antichrist, right?

How then is it that "the antichrist" has more love in his heart than you?

elampiro: I don't have a quarrel with him. I only posted his speech. Aren't we free to scrutinize or discuss his words/speech if in alignment with the gospel?

You mean "if in alignment with elampiro's intrrpretation of the gospel?"

elampiro: @italo,

Take a look at this article.

Priests Struggle To Interpret Pope's Quote On Homosexuality.
http://www.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/content/20130817-r.i.-priests-try-to-interpret-popes-remarks-on-gays.ece

It was also published in a US catholic daily website.

Everyone has difficulty in interpreting God's teaching sometimes, even lay people. It doesnt give credence to the picture you are trying to paint that Pope Francis is a confusionist. The first pope didnt know how to handle gentiles. Peter was his name and he lived 2000years before Francis. Christians to this day have a hard time interpreting the Bible, does that mean God is a confusionist?

quivah: whats common to a yes and no? The question asked.
The topic "god" is common to both.



what is the strength of Theists? Faith? Unseen god? Or their contradicting bibles?

Calm down, my lady.

I didnt say on this thread that Theists had any strengths.

Peace be unto you.

booqee: i give up! i no dey follow una argue again! Ur simply evading the question i asked cos u know u been busted! Stop telling me shyte about hate and stuff. Answer the question already! I really really give up on the catholics! Tufiakwa

God bless you.

Get rid of the hate in your heart!

elampiro: Just wait, I will go get the link for you now. It was reported in a Catholic daily website.

Secondly, do you know that when he was Cardinal Bergoglio in Buenos Ares Argentina, he used to join pentecostals and other religions in general crusade, he would kneel while leaders of other religions and churches pray over him.

Anything I say here I will back with evidence even if it takes me hours to get the links.

I await the evidence.

Kay 17: this is the third time I'm repeating myself! All moral views are equal!

Even if one man thinks it morally okay to rape a female member of your family?

Ajibam: Is not okay,,I later realised I took the bull by the tail...I utter a provoking statement

Dear catholics,
I am very Sorry,it won't happen again

Accepted.

elampiro: Only Jesus can tell who will go to heaven or not. He said he is the 'gate' and everyone must pass through Him, therefore He instructed us to preach Him to everyone (without compromise).

What exactly is your quarrel with Pope Francis?

What can he say to please you?

elampiro: We have had antipopes in history and who told you this one is not one? Antipopes usually reign along side another living Pope.

Secondly what makes you think I am a pentecostal?

1. Who told you Pope Francis is an Antipope?

2. Who is the other living Pope?

3. Where did I say you were a pentecostal?

elampiro: What did the pope mean by ''Jesus became the sinner for us. When you go to confession it is not that you confess your sins but you but you say to Jesus, here are your sins and I will sin again'' - Pope Francis.

Then he made compromising comments about gays. Many priests in US are said to be confuse in interpreting and implementing that comment in their dealing with gays. Some are said to now consider whether to allow then attend communion. Na wai!

Which priest says he is confused?

One name.

elampiro: Nobody ever misinterpreted Jesus' words to favour gays and atheist. He was always pointing to the Father. But the Pope is pointing to men. Preaching or doing good deeds without God is not Christianity but humanism.

Hope you know the Pope's original words are available? Even when you quote him verbatim, you will realize that he did not do well at all. They are compromising statements. But Jesus' original statements where not compromising, and He (Jesus) never said we should sing good words to unbelievers. Tell them the truth, baptised them in the name of the Father- Son- Holy Spirit, if they reject, then shake off your shoes and leave.

Do you believe that Atheists can go to heaven... Yes or No?

If they can, what will make them go to heaven?

elampiro: Jesus never encourage sin.

Secondly, it will be blasphemous to put Jesus in the level of the Pope. The Pope is to obey Jesus and teach Jesus' word, not twisting Jesus' word to confuse lay men.

The pope too never encourages sin.

Secondly, there is no blasphemy in comparing the pope's behaviour to that of Jesus. The pope is to obey Jesus and teach Jesus doctrine. You are not the one to teach us Jesus' doctrine.

Besides, you lot are already confused with your millions of denominations with contradictory doctrines. And it isnt the pope that confused you. It was the devil through Martin Luther.

Why are you bent on bringing your confusion into our fold?

Perhaps, Putin is heeding the plea the Pope made personally to him in that well publicized letter.

What do you think?

tobechi20: Stop gossiping about homosexual

Stop gossiping about those 'gossiping about homosexuals.'

We must speak the truth...but only with charity.

tobechi20: Both exaggerate the other's weakness but suppress theirs.
Both exaggerate each others strenght but suppress the other strenght

What is the strength of Atheists?

booqee: mehn you think you're wise, trying to use a convo btw u and ur friend to explain the error in ur statement. No matter how many times you repeat a lie my friend it can never become truth. Stop ignoring d part i pointed out. I read every single word in ur post. And i SAW it dat u said you love Jesus first before mary(and that is just the only thing you keep hammerin on me to see!, and my dear i saw it, but sorry, i saw much more dan dat), ok fine accepted. But mary is getting the chief love(the larger part), though u love her only after Jesus. But dat statement simply means you'd be loving her more dan Jesus! And don't you come here giving me dat ur friends 'a fool says there is no God bible passage', its such a poor and pathetic strategy to counter an argument. Gosh! I give up. Damn

One advice: get rid of the hate in your heart.

Then, you will automatically reason better.

tunapa2009: You can also read 1thessalonians 4 vs 13-18. Then you will see that God is the God of the living.

You are the one who needs to read and re-read it. It is you who thinks God is God of the dead.

We know his people that have left the earth never died; you say they are dead.

tunapa2009: Read john 14 vs 6... Is that scriptural? Where can I find it that the saints should be prayed to, so as to intercede for us

Where can you find it that the saints (who Jesus says "never die" have lost the ability to hear us or pray for us as they did while on earth?

tunapa2009: Bro, what I meant is that there body is dead forever till the coming of our Lord Jesus christ, in which there will be resurrection of the dead and so on according to the scriptures. But not that they are interceding for us NOW. Jesus is the only advocate interceding for us. Nobody else. Hope you now understood my post

First, 'only the living can intercede,' then they showed you that Mary is living and suddenly, 'only Jesus can intercede. ' It seems like you are confused.

Which one is it... Only Jesus or the living...can intercede?

booqee: oh puleasse!! Don't even try and twist words and confuse me, cos u can't. Wat dyu mean by "after d love which we owe Jesus, we give d chief place in our heart to the love of his mother mary"?? Yeah of course, u give ur love to Jesus FIRST, then to mary. Ok good! i saw that already. but you've just stated plainly that mary gets the larger share of the love in ur heart! It doesn't matter whether she get its after Jesus or last sef, u just said she's getting the chief place in ur heart! Or how dyu wanna explain the 'chief place in our heart' in ur statement?? And if i'm to go by calculations, chief place will definitely not mean average. It is more dan half!
Really the catholic church is a big joke. Now in the front page the pope is now allowing catholic priest to get married! Wasn't priest celibacy part of ur so called age old dogma?? A real big joke i say.. Smh

You are making no sense.

@ quivah,

You seem so bitter.

Why?

As far as I know, Atheists are inherently bitter. Whether you say these things to them or not.

Their bitterness is not as a result of what you say or dont say. Their bitterness is as a result of their separating themselves from love himself.

Find out about eternal life and eternal damnation. They start now on earth, not after death.

elampiro: Does Pope Francis not know of the implication of his words? Is he so incompetent as to be always been misinterpreted? Did we hear so much of issues like this in 25 years reign of John Paul II? As far as I am concern, he is pleasing the world by twisting the truth.

Was Jesus so incompetent that he was always misinterpreted?

elampiro: If the Pope knows there are press men out there who like to misinterpret him, why does he keep speaking in parables? Even if it is true we sin again despite the resolve not to, the Pope should not give express tickets or lay the foundation for people to indulge in sins without remorse. That is more like what he has done. Like we cannot help it because it is in our nature.

Hope you will not have to defend the Pope the day he will make massive changes that could reduce the Church to a social gathering?

Jesus talked and acted in a far more controversial way even though he knew he would be misinterpreted.