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ada Yakzum: [b][/b]. My dear I don't think you have been to an Anglican church because they believe that their is only one way to the father which is JESUS CHIRST and we have only one manual which is the BIBLE.

"Anglican church?" Girl, dont make me laugh.

babestell: Nothing new here....Many women have married men who are "he-goats" in disguise.

My sister, nowadays, no be only men o... The kind women wey dey now sef dey vex for town o...lol

Kay 17: ^^ the question was not a simple one, rather a loaded rhetorical question laden with weight of your narrow views. My argument is hingged on the fact that neither of you's view is superior to the other, which leads to the questuon, of what relevance is your question/rhetorical question to my moral views, if it is not intended to juxtapose it to some universal morals?!

It was a simple "yes or no" question that you are incapable of answering honestly.

It doesnt call for an epistle.

The OP is full of lies and assumptions.

On point!

@ Ubenedictus, you're welcome.

You need to refresh yourself on the meaning of "begging the question." I didnt make assumptions or conclusions.

I only asked a simple question which you probably cannot answer because you would be against your mother or daughter sleeping with a horse, meanwhile you come here and act like its okay.

Kay 17: You excellently capped my argument!

Your narrow moral views cannot avoid begging the question!

Homosexual acts are far more prevalent among the general population (who are free to marry) than among priests.

Even heterosexual acts outside of marriage (equally sinful) is also prevalent among people who are free to marry.

The general population should look inwards before attempting to crucify celibacy. We are far more guilty of sexual immorality than those who are celibate.

And Paul NEVER said "everyone should get married." How could he say so when even he wasnt married?

Elliotwiz1: homosexuality...That's what most of them is turning to, and that sin, paul in his letter to the corinthians said everyone should get married to avoid sexual immoralty, even if They're married, they can still carry out their normal functions as priest, celibacy should not be a must.

As far as I know, 2+2=4 is not disputed anywhere else. However, there are many other matters on logic that are disputed. When asked why your position is right, you say because 2+2=4. When your adversaries are asked why they are right, they say because 2+2=4. Then who decides objectively who is following logical principle?

You seem to think its the one who shouts it out the most...or the one with the biggest collection of insultive words...or the one with the longest epistles.

I dont believe that.

wiegraf: I never said the world must adhere to what I think is objectively logical, I said the objectively logical is objectively logical regardless of what you, I or even your omnipotent GOD??!! thinks. They are universal, and oftentimes can be ascertained, hence the word 'objective', yes? 2+2=4 is logically correct in any universe regardless of what you, I, or anybody else thinks.

Using this, we can at least attempt to determine if a given action is logical, or not, yes?


Random; I understand you're a man of few words, so few in fact you barely make sense, but frivolities? You don't think it frivolous to go all holier art thou at the mention of se.x? lol. You could simply ignore that, you know, and face the scenario I offered you pages ago which you've been coyly avoiding. At least now I have your attention.

You cut an austere figure brah. I'm sure all those priests do so as well, while singing to themselves

"There was a young chaplain from King's
Who talked about God and such things;
But his real desire
Was a boy in the choir
With a bottom like jelly on springs."

Wrong! Every pope's statements have always been controversial to the world.

That's why Peter was crucified upside down. That's why Jesus was crucified 'upside up.' Controversial statements misunderstood by the world.

elampiro: I posted it just the way the paper published it to the whole world.

Come to think of it, is Pope Francis inexperience as to give room for him to be misquoted always in his controversial statements? Do you know Pope John Paul II reigned for 25 years and never for once did catholic had to defend any controversial statements? Pope Francis is just few months into his reign and this is the 4th time people are coming to his defence.

What do you have to say to his statement when he said when people go to confession they should tell 'Jesus this is your sin and I will sin again'? He said Jesus is a sinner for us, and so when we sin it is not that we are confessing our sins, but only handing over Jesus sins back to Him.

He is too controversial and seems to have a hidden agenda. The prophecy has told us there will be a Antipope.

Its Syria. Last week it seemed inevitable that the US would strike Syria. The Pope continued to appeal for peace but it seemed like all appeals were falling on deaf ears. The Pope called for a prayer vigil on Saturday for peace in Syria, asking the intercession of our blessed mother. Alas! They have come up with a solution that seems ddestined to avert a US war on Syria. Something that seemed to be shaping up into world war 3. The Russians have proposed that Syria hands over its chemical weapons to the international community...which the Syrians have agreed to.

Sal C: Seems am missing something here .

I will simply wait for you to show me why the world must adhere to your idea of what is objectively logical.

Little time for frivolities.

wiegraf: Glorify fornication? What's glorifying about that, simply mentioning sha.gging? Se.x is a ubiquitous natural activity. You don't believe me? Put on animal planet, see? Not sure what the big deal i.... ahhh, sins.

Yes, forgive me, it 's hard to keep up with what's sinful and what's not, it seems rather haphazard. For instance, apparently wearing different fabrics together is a sin worthy of a stoning to death then eternal roasting in hell. Obviously there's no sane logic behind that, so you'll excuse me if I have trouble keeping up with what's sinful and what's not; I'm no good with cramming.

So, ok, let's use your holy book



So, they were married, but as it was either his mom or his sister, or both, then incest was involved. Are you comfortable with this?

So again



If you're uncomfortable with this as well, then we could use Lot and his daughters, or the Book of Solomon, or the incident involving circumcising hundreds of adult males, or the many genocides, etc etc, any of the good, non-sinful deeds in the good book.


Or you could simply use the scenario I presented earlier, which you ignored



I'm fine with whichever you pick

Would you have these same sentiments if your daughter or mother were sleeping with horse...and dating it...and got pregnant by it?

Kay 17: Through your narrow inconsistent moral prism, you'd find bestiality morally wrong.

But I'd say Castaldo's moral views are neither superior nor inferior to yours.

Are you sure you heard well. I have never heard that from any Catholic, much less reverend sisters.

Bludeville: Erm,personally, i didn't think they would but i remember my catechism teachers, who happened to be reverend sisters telling me that all non Catholics will go to hell. I'm relieved to know that this is not the true catholic doctrine. The Catholic church really needs to ensure their teachers really know what they should be teaching.

Oh! That child that was bombed in Syria is going to hell?

idnoble135: Nobody will make heaven without going through Jesus.
#Bewareoftheleavenofthisfolks

So you think all non-Christians are going to hell?

nedu2000: The pope is pleasing man instead of God,the pope is WRONG....for the bible says,which I believe the pope uses as reference "except a man be born again he won't (even) see the kingdom of God [John3:3].......И̣̣̣̥o pope,cardinal or pastor can convince me otherwise

This is Catholic teaching from time immemoria. The Catholic Church has always taught that those who through no fault of theirs do not know the Catholic Church to be God's true faith can go to heaven if they follow their conscience and live a good life.

Did you guys really think that all your ancestors would burn in hell?

Before nko.

Pastor Olu T: The last statement caught my attention, 'and doesn't get pregnant', was he sleeping with it?

jayriginal: But atheism is not necessarily saying that God does not exist.

What is it saying then?

Syncan: Thanks babestell for confirming that. @ Italo, we needed no witnesses. The power of our prayers is there for all to see. Remember we joined the Pope in prayers recently, asking the blessed virgin to intervene, now a way has been found, where there seem to be none.

Yes. A miracle before our eyes. Could it be that, like in Cana, she said to her son: "they have no diplomatic solution?"

Mr Troll: why do you keep being foolish? Of course there's nothing wrong in doing this. But what if instead of fattening hyenas you decide to better humans? Either way, you're still benifiting a living specie but you just chose to benefit instead your own specie. Italo, you're not even smart enough to play the 'atheist'.

Why would you... AH!!! It's the cheerleader. Cheer on sweetheart...

Yay!!!

Ah... I thank God for those witnesses *smiles*

I hope you are fine.

Kay 17: ^^

Pls point out the immorality in it

I can point it out, but not to you. Because in the first place, you dont see anything as immoral, or do you?

Everything is okay. Just like satan says. No prejudices, right?

plaetton: Good point Italo.

In that case, I guess you wouldn't mind being converted to Islam upon your death , and your body buried as a muslim?
Please answer.

Arrrgghh! I'm shocked to find you aren't smart enough to know that I was only playing 'the Atheist. '

Of course, we Christians believe that we continue to exist after death and the body is sacred...even after death...so it is in line with our beliefs to worry about what happens to us after death.

For an Atheist who claims he will cease to exist at death to worry about such...and to worry about satan (whom he claims doesn't exist)...

...it just shows that they doubt what they claim to believe.

Why would an Atheist have a problem with feeding the corpse to hyenas so that the food chain and universe can be enriched?

turnstoner: I think family and friends should be allowed to do what they please with your body(anything to help them cope with the grieving).

After all you are going back to join the cycle of life or non-life which ever way you are buried or not buried.

But if you didn't leave specific instructions (and enabling capacities) behind they might genuinely not know what to do and prefer the methods they are most familiar with.

Abi oo...

Ubenedictus: italo, i hope the novena hasn't ended, i know i'm late but will you please add my intentions, ask on my behalf for the grace to focus my inward eye and for new flames of zeal in prayer.

Today's day 6 out of 9. I've been praying for your intentions too but will add these specific ones in a special way.

In fact, what you pray for happened to be the main point of yesterday's homily.

The priest preached on the upper room experience. How we had to dedicate ourselves to prayer in total trust and humility for something great like the descent of the Holy Spirit to happen. He also prayed that the Holy Spirit should empower us and fill us with his light. At a point, he did pray that the Holy Spirit should empower our friends and family through our prayer there. At that point I remembered and prayed for my friends and family including nairaland friends. I believe that God was speaking to you.

I just wish someone on nairaland was attending so they can bear witness to these prayer points.

Both Atheists and Theists are people of immense FAITH.

We both believe things we read and hear other trusted people tell us.

Mr Troll: lol. Give up Italo. You are finished. You cannot even give simple answers anymore. Trying to digress. . .dohohohoho!

Morning, miss.

wiegraf: You'll proceed to whine about one repeating himself....

Now, there are objective truths that can be ascertained, yes? Eg, 2+2=4, yes? So, if we set up a value system, which would be subjective, we can then go about figuring out if our actions are objectively foo.lish or not, yes?

There's no objective way to ascertain who's hotter, oprah or jessica alba. However, there would be an objective way to verify foo.lish ways to go about wooing either of them, yes? The goal is to get laid tonight, you know jessica speaks english, you also know how to speak english, you then approach and start spitting in hausa or yoruba, you're undeniably being foo.lish, no?

I'd rather not glorify fornication.

Perhaps you can relate your theory to something less sinful...

If he listened to the Church: "marriage is between one man and one woman," he would not have degenerated to this level.

But then, if I complain too much, Atheists will say I'm intolerant and bigoted unlike satan who doesnt "have prejudices. "

plaetton: Actually,
I was not asking about what anyone wants to do with their body after death.

Infact, in Nigeria, the likely hood of your family and relatives giving up your body for any medical or scientific research is very low.

What I am simply asking is whether anyone has contemplated the fact that they might be converted to Christianity upon death and buried as a christian.

Have you thought about it, and what necessary steps would you likely take now to prevent that?

It's not "your body." At best it's your former body.

Why should you care what happens to that mass of decaying tissues and bones.

Or will you continue to exist after your last breath?

plaetton: Stymied?

Ha hah ha.

You have no answer.
That does not surprise anyone.

Therefore then, I am !00% correct that faith=doubts

And by the way, how is your doubt meter today, green, orange or red?

How intelligent!

Is this what you teach your disciples...like Mr Troll?