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Ours is a Church of Saints...but also sinners.

There are however, some people who make us believe that they belong to a "church" which has no sin or sinner.

Well...we'll just have to give them the benefit of the doubt, wont we?

Whatever we say Mary does, God does it through her.

I really hope that is clear enough.

JMOI: I didn't say that he was teaching error. Infallibility means that someone can do no wrong. Peter, as we all know, lied and denied Jesus Christ three times before realizing the implications of what he had done. So he cannot be said to have been infallible. Everyone makes mistakes once in a while. If the pope is infallible why does he have advisors?

You are wrong about "infallibility." I addressed that earlier.

Reyginus: No, I don't think they were on the same scale. I'm wondering how the holy spirit operates within an entity harbouring the above sins.
As for the apostles, I can make a case that their sins weren't as enormous.

What enormity of sin qualifies one to be "corrupt" and incapable of teaching "what is not corrupt?"

And what sins dont make you "corrupt?"

cava: Happy birthday our lady of perpetual help.my dearest mother. you granted me the miracle of healing from cancer 4yrs ago. pls grant me the miracle for conception. i want to be a mother.amen.

I'll be praying for you at the Novena to Our Lady of Sorrows this evening.

Blessed be your womb. Amen.

JMOI: The popes are not infallible, in fact no one is. Moses wasn't, Elijah wasn't, Abraham wasn't, St. Peter wasn't. Only Jesus Christ is.

If Peter was fallible (could teach error) then you are saying the Bible probably contains error.

Reyginus: Exactly why I am having the problem. My problem with is, how can a corrupt entity teach what is not corrupted?

The same way the apostles (sinners) taught what was not corrupted...

...and the "corrupt entity" put together an incorrupt Bible.

By the guidance of the Holy Spirit promised them by Jesus.

Reyginus: The same reason I find it hard to accept that the pope is infallible.

Just let me correct an impression that is false.

Infallibility doesnt mean the Pope cannot sin. Everyone sins.

Infallibility means he cannot teach error to the Church.

HumbledbYGrace: Sorry for banning u

That's more like it. To err is normal.

What is bad is to persist in error.

I might be against some of your act, but will never be against you or any child of God personally.

Alfa Seltzer: Is it a proper thing for a mod to apologise when she makes a grave and offending error of judgement? Can HGB please apologise for banning me under false pretext?

There are certain people, filled with pride, who see apologizing as committing suicide.

It just hurts me when they are "Christians."

babestell: Thats nice to hear. I grew up in St Dominics as a parish and I always made effort to attend St Jude Novena and co. My younger brother is an answer from one of the novenas. Please add my intention to the novena.

I will be taking your intentions to St. Jude and Our Lady with all pleasure. I pray you get speedy help from God through their intercession...

...sister of mine.

Novena to Our Lady of Sorrows is on-going in my parish, St. Dominic, Yaba.

Join us if you can. If you cant, you may ask me to take your prayers to Our Lady in this Novena. I will be glad to do it.

It's day 2 out of 9.

wiegraf: Exactly how can you contradict 2+2=4, oh lover of tap dancing?

Exactly what your opponents would ask you.

wiegraf: So you have no problems with scientists claiming there's no such thing as reality or objective truth?

I have not declared my stance on that...because I am trying not to digress.

benalvino: Honestly some people are too emotional to be in a forum like this... it is not bad though! insult will always be given out... some like to throw it at other but dont like to receive it... If italo is asking for fair treatment due to how he has been ban or treated before then he is seeking equality... I dont see why he is an hypocrite for that. he admit he might have insulted person and got ban so if someone does same to him, he doesnt want to get ban again by insulting the person, hence the mods should ban the person upon complain.

Thank you.

At least there is still hope for the human race.

Some can put aside sentiments and reason objectively.

Glory to God!

wiegraf: Really? lol

lb I would guess was trolling you. Mayhaps serious, but unlikely. As for others, I wouldn't know. It depends on context, but really..

I was amazed myself.

He even complained to neutral people.

Well, only he can tell if he was serious or not.

wiegraf: lol. Did an atheist actually complain about that?

Madam HBG, you seem to have figured it out already but if I may, I highly doubt any of us would be insulted by that(some would probably wear it as a badge of honor actually). Sure depending on context it might be insulting or slander, but in most cases, if one were complaining about that, the complainant would be being far too sensitive imo. Opinions though

Logicboy continually complained. And humbledbygrace said members had complained.

tosomaju: then what are u doin in nairaland?
Don't u know that nairaland is affiliated to NSA?

It doesnt matter.

God is the creator of the world including everything in it.

wiegraf: Because 2+2=4

Same reason your opponents would give for contradicting you.

wiegraf: You even seem to have problems with scientists (?) that claim there is no (implied objective, in this context, as they're 'self evident') logic.

This is very simple, so I'll assume you have no problem being labeled by some random guy on the internet as disingenuous, yes?

The keyword in the above is "SEEM."

Enigma: Did you give her a chance ---- even solely on the basis of today's events?

Have your colleagues ever truly given her a chance?

Do Moderators elsewhere make mistakes or not?

Sure they do. But did humbledbygrace tell you she made a mistake?

The trouble with 'chit-chatting' with you is that I am likely to get banned by humbledbygrace for 'chit-chatting' but you will not be banned. I am Catholic and you are not.

And if I demand equal treatment as you, you will call me a hypocrite.

HumbledbYGrace: Italo, according to you m supposed to show you here that I dealt with the matter your crying fowl for?

You need to check your facts before throwing insults.

Now, I replied you, if you continue with this chitchat I am going to hide your posts and ban you

I dont think I insulted you. And you didnt act upon my complaint for a long time...instead you chose to infuriate me and other Catholics by offering that reply about the pope supporting gay people meanwhile ignoring the insult against us.

This is not a "chit-chat," it is a complaint against your obvious anti-Catholic bias.

I wouldnt be surprised if you ban me for doing what every other person is doing on this thread. Afterall, I'm Catholic.

You who hid a post because striktlymi was "helping someone."

Enigma: ^^^ Your complaint is your complaint.

Your actions are still hypocritical!

Simples.

Enigma: OK because you do not "get it" which is why you are "praying" that I should "get it", let me help you open your eyes.

Supposing henceforth, she chooses not to ban anyone for such things --- would you then say she is "unfair" etc?

EDIT ---- suppose she has gained experience and learned from banning you and chooses to adopt a different approach henceforth, would you say she is "unfair" etc?

No. In that case, the fair thing to do would be for her to communicate that. It would then be taken that she made a mistake. Her current defiant disposition suggests that she did all she did deliberately.

Is this also hypocritical?

striktlymi: LWKMD!!!

Italo u no go kee me o.

That's not exactly what I had in mind. I meant matters unrelated to HBG.

If you have any beef that relates to Catholicism without pitching one mod against another, then I think you might get a favourable hearing.

I expect Obadiah and Ajibam to stand by HBG. Mods should stick together. It's the right thing to do.

Lol...

My brother, the thing tire me.

These are the same people that will curse the government officials of being corrupt and unfair.

Ordinary moderator job, see as dem dey discriminate openly.

...without shame.

Enigma: AFAIK she has already addressed your concern about your ban.

Complaining about something that you do as well and of which you do even worse IS hypocrisy.

Simples.

You still dont get it...or perhaps dont want to get it.

My complaint isnt: I was insulted. Ban the culprit.

My complaint is: Apply the rules to everyone. And even if I do it again...ban me again (if that is the rule).

That isnt hypocrisy, is it?

I sincerely pray that you can understand it now.

striktlymi: Since HBG is being anti-Catholic I think a possible solution to this would be to direct your complaints to Ajibam and Obadiah instead.

Okay o.

@ Ajibam & Obadiah,

Could you please explain to me why I was banned by the anti-Catholic humbledbygrace for "insulting other members" but she wont do anything about other members insulting me and my fellow Catholics?

Thank you.

Enigma: Look, what specific reference did I make to your complaint about being banned?

The only thing specific that I said with a bearing on your activity here is your complaint about "follow demons". And I maintan that that is a highly hypocritical complaint.

You do as much if not worse!

You dont seem to get it.

My point is: if I do the same thing my adversaries do, why am I the only one getting banned.

Could it be because I'm Catholic?

HumbledbYGrace: your thread about Jesus leanage being harlots. Now m gonna ban this your alter ego.

But you wont ban your fellow anti-Catholic who says the pope is praying to his fellow demons, will you?

Enigma: One thing that I find is that most of the people who complain are in fact hypocrites.

No question that the Mods are still finding their feet and yes making mistakes.

Yes, HBG might have been more mindful and tactful about the 'latest' complaint i.e. the one about "follow demons" specifically (not even the gays aspect --- which seems what some are picking on). On the other hand I sympathise with her as the group concerned have mounted a not so subtle campaign to have her and perhaps one specific other Mod removed (or at least scrutinised rather closely) such that sometimes it had the appearance of a witch hunt.

As I said before, the worst they will do is have their undesired Mods removed and then have their own candidates installed.

Then what? Ban everyone who does not accept the "authority" or "infallibility" of the "pope"?

We have been declared anathema anyway for all the hypocrisy about "separated brethren" yadayada nonsense!

Dont just jump to conclusions. Read from my first post to humbledbygrace.

This is my first ever complaint on this thread. Infact, I have hardly ever commented on this thread. I complained because I was banned for "insulting other members." So I asked what the insult was and how it was worse than other comments that go unpunished. She said I called someone "satan" and "Atheists dont like it" (even though I was actually referring to satan himself, but that aside) - I then asked if she would ban any Atheist that called Christians "retards,""fools""crazy" etc and any anti-Catholic that called Catholics "demonic" and "satanic" because Catholics-Christians dont like those. She said yes. Then I reported an anti-Catholic that said the pope was praying to his fellow demons...and humbledbygrace wont do anything about that.

Sir, where have I gone wrong?

Where have I been hypocritical?

striktlymi: I hope you are calm please.

I don't think the item in bold-red is exactly correct.

...hence, the question mark. It is up to her to answer and prove her answer to be true this time.

Thankfully, almost every Catholic Church has evening mass. But any job that would prevent me from attending mass throughout sunday consistently is for someone else, not me.

Kay 17: @italo

Ok. Good. You can see God.

Before we can suggest God exists, God is foremost a Creator, and we must be created. The most popular theist argument is, our Universe is well ordered, and such intricate order can not result from blind Nature, nor the Universe arises as a cause to itself.

You follow?

I dont know if it is the most popular theist argument. I dont even think Catholics' certainty of God is based on that argument. We know God is, with or without that.

Still, I follow.

tosomaju: mee?

Yes...and all sinners.