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@ Syncan, perhaps she has forgotten this post. Hypocrisy will always lead to sharp contradictions.

modupe01: Some of the non-essential things that is not worth splitting our hairs over are:

Whether we should stand up or sit down while preaching;

Whether we are to wear tie or not while ministering;

To wear hat or tie scarf in ministering;

The style of music we play;

To wear shoes or not;

To wear gowns or not in the choir;

For those in the pulpit to stand while those in the pew sits or vice versa;

Days of fellowship on week days or weekends; etc

You can add more examples.

See you later, Jero.

What do you call people who cast out demons in Jesus name?

Church or not.

My bet is you will not answer.

mazaje: He quoted your post and made a comment about it. . .How mazaje came to be your sole point of interest is beyond me. .His words really got to you, eh?. . .

No it didnt get to me because I felt he didnt understand how I was making a mockery of your statement.

And even if his words got to me, what would be the importance or implication of that?

Please grow up.

It is Jesus that said "away from me" (which you call nonsense) to people who gathered in his name (which you call "church") not me.

Take up your issues with him.

I just know my Jesus cannot neither deny nor desert his Church.

Enigma: Of course He can be expected to say that to the Roman Catholic "Church" as I have demonstrated here and here

You are saying the Catholic Church gathers and performs miracles and casts out demons in Jesus' name...and is Jesus' Church?

Then how can he disown his Church?

Can the bridegroom disown the bride?

Can the head disown the body?

Enigma: Oh, by the way, let another "holy" man "counsel you"!

Chrysostom
you have promised through your well-beloved Son that when two or three are gathered together in his Name you will be in the midst of them

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

"It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil."--St Ignatius.

Whatever is daft in that post was said or implied by mazaje, not me.

So if you think he is "irredeemably daft," I dont know...but I can only urge you to be a little polite to him.

He is still a human being with dignity.

"It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid."--St Ignatius.

St Ignatius continues:

"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

Back to Jero's beloved St. Ignatius:

"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop."--St. Ignatius.

Obviously the man believes there is no Church without Bishop.

Enigma: (Matthew 18:20):

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

Shhh! Let the holy man counsel you.

"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father."

modupe01: You are missing the point. Jesus is not inviting us to become cannibals. What He said is the symbolic food and drink represented by His flesh and blood. This is what is called the Lord's supper today, and it is one of the doctrines of Christ we believe and obey after our salvation.



The Lord's supper is an essential doctrine of Christ obeyed by every true believer believer in Jesus Christ.

Okay. You say "The Lord's supper" is an "essential doctrine." Essential doctrine number two.

If I dont receive your symbolic "Lord's supper," but I receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church (which we call the actual body and blood of Christ), do I believe in Christ?

modupe01: If you truly believe in God you will forgive your neighbour which is in line of the doctrines of Christ.



Loving our neighbours as Christ has loved us is the evidence that we truly believe in God.

So when Peter cut off the ear of the soldier, he didnt believe in God?

modupe01: Will what you listed there above qualify as worldliness or not?

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" - James 4:4

As for the reasons why her Dad got suspended you may consult the church authorities for answers. Worldliness is not one of the "non essential" things the OP is talking about.

What has Syncan mentioned that has anything to do with adultery?

Why are you deliberately talking rubbish instead of keeping quiet if you dont have a good answer?

Besides, first, you said there was only one "essential" doctrine. Now you are adding more. You are confused, arent you?

You said if we just believed in Jesus, Christians can differ on other things. Now I believe in Jesus and I apply make up...and you are still not okay.

A good thing our brother Jero subscribes to St. Ignatius words. Or does he? Let us find out.

Below are Chapters 8 and 9 which contains the quote "where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church" in St. Ignatius' letter to the Smyrnaeans.

LETTER OF ST. IGNATIUS TO THE SMYRNAEANS. Chapters 8 & 9.

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Chapter 9. Honour the bishop

Moreover, it is in accordance with reason that we should return to soberness [of conduct], and, while yet we have opportunity, exercise repentance towards God. It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil. Let all things, then, abound to you through grace, for you are worthy. You have refreshed me in all things, and Jesus Christ [shall refresh] you. You have loved me when absent as well as when present. May God recompense you, for whose sake, while you endure all things, you shall attain unto Him.

End...

It is clear how the hypocrite Jero insists on twisting the clear message of this holy man.

Ubenedictus: hahaha are you a comedian, ocultism in the priesthood? U must be joking. God made every christian priest and as a catholic i believe that but he didn't make everyone a prebyter. An ordained priesthood has alway existed in the church. Through the laying of hand God has continued to make stewards and guide for his people, teachers of his mysteries and leaders in his worship.

You for just ignore the hater na...

Talk to a priest...but all the while, constantly talk to God.

It could be that you are called to the priesthood...or it may be that you are not.

Do not be discouraged because your chances are slim. If God wants it, it will happen one way or another.

But you must make a move.

It could also be that you are called to be married or you are not.

Try to find your vocation. If you are not called to marriage, you might not find fulfilment in it and cause misery for you and your family.

Talk to God and a priest of his.

God love you.

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2000 years.

Leave him alone bo...

He cant own up to his contradictions.

You should talk to a priest.

Jesus (2000 years ago): "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." (Catholic).

King Henry VIII (500 years ago): "You are Anne Boleyn between your legs I will build my "church" (Anglican).

The lawless ones: "haba Lord! But we ate and drank with you. You promised to be with those who gather in your name."

Jesus: "I said I dont know you or where you're from. AWAY FROM ME!"

Amen?!

The lawless ones: "we gathered in your name and performed miracles and cast out demons."

Jesus: "depart from me. I have never known you, you lawless people."

Can somebody say a big amen to God's word?!

^^^I will let Christ answer you.

"Away from me, you workers of iniquity!"

Pastor AIO: This in your name matter has caused quite a bit of yawa. Let us look at an example.

Was Christ in the midst of the Christian Praying Assembly? This was the gathering 'in christ's name' led by Rev King.

And while we are considering that let us also consider Christ's own words. . . .

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'


It is as if Jesus knew that this 'in your name' matter would be abused so he said the above explicitly.

ps. Nice link CarCam.

DEPART FROM CHRIST, YOU WHO PRACTISE LAWLESSNESS "IN HIS NAME."

In another translation:

Another passage says:

Luke 13:25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’

“But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’

26 “Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’

27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

AWAY FROM CHRIST. HE DOESNT KNOW YOU OR WHERE YOU COME FROM. ALL YE "TWO OR THREE" EVILDOERS GATHERING "IN HIS NAME."

CAN SOMEBODY SAY AMEN?!

modupe01: Yes. Believing in Jesus is essential to your salvation. Believing in the name of Jesus doesn't only make you a believer but gives you a personality shift or transfer. We are positioned inside what His name represents which is into God's family and its only after then that the teachings of Christ can make be meaningful to you.





Partaking in holy communion doesn't reposition you into the family of God believing and trusting in Jesus will. For a sinful person to become a child of God, he will have to give his life to Christ and only after this will a miraculous transformation take place.



You cannot love if you haven't received Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. It is only when you receive the gift of God by faith that you can then love with the love of God.

Jesus said if you dont eat his flesh and drink his blood, you will not have life.

Do you believe this...yes or no?

Is it one of your "essential doctrines"...yes or no?

Is it possible to believe in God and not forgive your neighbour...yes or no?

Is it possible to believe in God and not love your neighbour...yes or no?

99cent: This is the main difference between catholic and protestant churches.
Protestant churches believe in the gospel and grace of Jesus Christ.

No you dont believe his gospel and grace.

His gospel says: THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

99cent: Well then your statement is illogical.
if something is illegal, there has to be a punishment for an illegal act, otherwise, it can't be called illegal.
ex. murder is illegal and punishable by law (jail). what should we use to punish women who commit abortion?

murder of a person is illegal by state law. a fetus is not a person by state law.

You're saying having a law against a crime is persecution of criminals?

So the whole world is persecuting murderers, robbers, rapists etc?

God determines who is human, not the state. If you insist the state does, you're saying Jews in Nazi Germany and the Blacks sold as slaves to America were sub-human as the state of the time said they were. But God sees Jews, blacks and unborn babies as human beings.

Listen to God:

"This is what the Lord says- He who made you, who formed you in the
womb, and who will help you" --Isaiah 44:2

"For You created my innermost being; You knit me together in my
mother's womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully
made." --Psalm 139:13-14

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived
me." --Psalm 51:5

"Sons are a heritage from the Lord, children a reward from Him." --Psalm
127:3

"Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless...Rescue the weak and
needy." --Psalm 82:3-4

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5 (NIV)

"I have come that they may have life, and have it to the fullest." --Jesus
Christ (John 10:10)

"Rescue those being led away to death." --Proverbs 24:11 (NIV)

Talking about John the Baptist, "and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit
even from his mother's womb." --Luke 1:15(NIV) There is no record of the
Holy Spirit ever filling anything but a person.

"Before I was born the Lord called me..." "And now the Lord says-He
who formed me in the womb to be His servant..." --Isaiah 49:1,5

The apostle Paul says "But when God, who set me apart from my
mother's womb and called me by His grace..." --Galatians 1:15(NIV)

"If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from
her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall surely be punished, according as
the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life..." -
-Exodus 21:22-25, King James Version.

"Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same
One form us both within our mothers?" --Job 31:15 (NIV)

"Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent person." --
Deu 27:25 (NAS)

"..do not shed innocent blood..." --Jeremiah 7:6 (NIV)

99cent: of course you would. In fact, why not go as far as make it illegal and punishable by law to miss church service on sunday? rubbish.
Jesus condemns people like you throughout his life teachings.
http://questions.org/attq/why-did-jesus-condemn-the-self-righteousness-of-the-pharisees/

Jesus condemned people who condemned sinners but he never condemned people who condemned sin.

We Catholics condemn abortion but not the perpertrators.

Stop trying to make good evil and evil good.

Are you saying Jesus didnt condemn murder?

99cent: You are crazy. Adultery is NOT illegal in ANY western country. you don't go to jail for cheating on your husband or wife.
Adultery is only illegal in muslim countries where govt is controlled by religious leaders. And only women are punished for it. again, most religions are biased and favor men over women. hence most "moral" punishments are targeted towards women and the poor. The hypocrisy is very blatant.

Oh...maybe not in many but it is illegal in Switzerland, some US states, Taiwan, Korea and some other non-muslim countries. Even in countries where it is not illegal, it has serious negative legal consequences. It affects things like alimony, child-custody and support etc.

I think you might just be a bitter feminist. Are you aware that in India, only men can be prosecuted for adultery?

It is not only against women.

I dont know of many religions but Catholicism doesnt discriminate against women.

We adore them. Our undeniable love for the Blessed Mother is a pointer to that.

99cent: they condemn homosexuality yet many of their priests are closet pedophile homosexuals.

Not "many" per se. A minute percentage of the 400000 priests in the world. You're just trying to smear Catholicism because of its defence of the child's right to life, arent you? I dont know why you suddenly decide to talk about homosexuality instead of abortion. But it wont work. God's Church will continue to stand for God's truth...you and satan's temper tantrums will do nothing to stop us. We stand against abortion and homosexuality...but we dont condemn the perpertrators...priest or not.

QUIT SATAN'S SIDE. STOP TRYING TO KILL GOD'S BELOVED CHILDREN.

Oh, you have evidence?

Lets have it then.

wiegraf: And just how did you come to this conclusion?

You don't have to lie for jesus

You refuse to humble and open yourself to him.

nnofaith: @italo
how come you know god exists and we dont?