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Logicboy03: You used to be smarter but now, you are on ihedinobis level

So after being shown a proper logical argument that you cant argue against, you just repeat your claim?


I have already addressed your silly question but you repeat it as if I ave said nothing. Goodluck, cos your going to need it wit this silliness you have

When YOU consider something as "evidence," you condider everyone who disagrees as "crazy."

When anyone considers anything as "evidence," that you disagree with, you consider them "crazy."

It seems to me that you are saying "Logicboy defines what an "evidence" is.

That is what you mean by "addressing my question?"

Kay 17: @italo

To discharge you from the agony of describing and positively define God, I would take the step of explaining what the concept of God really is.

God has no shape or form nor essence, God is a concept within an existential void and irrelevant without a mythological context. God is a creation of the human psyche in need of provision, protection. God is a father figure to tend to our cravings, fill our gaps of understanding and mystify life.

God's main function isn't the creation of the Universe, rather he is a father, whose creation of "all", is merely to buttress his fatherly role. He is the pillar of morality. Daddy makes the rules that protect us etc.

My question to you was "what makes beliefs true?"

Is this irrelevant epistle a way of saying "I am incapable of giving an honest answer?"

Well, even these claims of your are unproven.

wiegraf: Do you create mathematical truths?

I didnt say "who created logic?"

I said "who DEFINES logic?"

Logicboy thinks logic means we should believe macro evolution; Mazaje thinks logic means we shouldnt necessarily do so.

Who has the authority to decide who is right/wrong?

Muskeeto thinks logic means it is unreasonable to assert that God doesnt exist because you havent perceived him. You think logic means its reasonable.

Who decides who is right/wrong about logic?

@ satan, I know that you know that God works countless miracles every second.

I know that you know about the incorruptibles, the miracles of Lourdes, the shroud of Turin, the liquefying blood of St. Gennaro, Our Lady of Guadalupe, Fatima and other apparitions. I know that you know of these and many more miracles that scientists have declared as clearly beyond nature. I know that you are just working hard to deceive men into your den by disbelieving God. You so desperately want them to fall into your miserable fate. You want partners to share you hate-filled and bitter eternity. But it has no effect on us Children of God.

I have heard you, satan...but I dont accept.

Now permit me to go back to the topic of the thread.

Miracles happen minute in the Catholic Church. It's just that we dont use them as a marketing tool.

wiegraf: Well, my humble one, math cannot describe math. That has never happened before. Math does not exist unless it is defined... I suppose by GOD??!!

I dont get you.

Is it logic that defines logic or is it not?

italo: What makes beliefs true?

Mr Troll: evidence. Facts. Proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Mr Troll: Listen man, if I present a picture, it counts as evidence. If you think its not genuine, you have to prove it. If you do then you can say that the evidence is inconclusive or false BUT not that i'm not a man. Kapisce?

If "evidence" can possible be false, how then can it make beliefs true?

Mr Troll: now I have to spell it out? Smh

Listen man, if I present a picture, it counts as evidence. If you think its not genuine, you have to prove it. If you do then you can say that the evidence is inconclusive or false BUT not that i'm not a man. Kapisce? Now the onus will be on me to provide conclusive evidence of my being a man. Maybe birth records, scans, or even my physical self for thorough examination.
Now italo, it will be patently fooolish for me to tell you that "I'M A MAN! If you disagree, prove that I'm not!"

As for reasonable doubt, better check what reasonable means in the dictionary. I cant continue to hold your hand like a 5 yr old.

Provide conclusive evidence for yahweh or forever shut the fork up.

It is you that considers a picture as evidence, not everyone.

And remember, my initial question was: what makes beliefs true?

Pictures dont prove a belief to be true.

There are millions of pictures that are lies. So if you say a picture is evidence, it means "evidence" doesnt make beliefs true.

And I checked "reasonable."

Its meaning suggests that my doubt is reasonable.

You wonder why the Atheist is having sleepless nights over what Benedict did or did not do.

An Atheist who claims to think that life is meaningless.

How can one do right or wrong in a meaningless world?

Logicboy03: Bank statement is evidence for your bank balance.

However, a bank statement can be forged.



Evidence itself has to be scrutinized.


Your God doesnt even have evidence to be scrutinized.
Evolution is the most scrutinized scientific theory known to man....thanks to religious blowhard

The fossil and dna evidence have been scrutinized and found compelling. The people who dont accept Macro evolution are people who are not ready to think and research about it.


Pitiful that Majaze can not use the freethinking nature he has to free himself from the bondage scientific ignorance on macroevolution.


The funny thing is that microevolution is macroevolution on a smaller scale.

It seems to me that "evidence" is what anyone decides that it means to them.

Anybody who disagrees with one is considered wrong. You even go as far as saying they arent thinking.

What I call "evidence," you dismiss. What you call "evidence," I dismiss.

Who decides who's right?

Mr Troll: er...there's something called reasonable doubt, no?

Are you dumb or you're just making a special effort here?

If I say i'm a guy and you disagree. I then show you my fully nude picture with my pipi dangling, will that count as evidence? If you just dismiss so called evidence offhand, will that still count as reasonable doubt?

You have common sense, no?

Picture could be photo-shopped and if it isnt, you could have had a trans-gender surgery.

Why wont it count as reasonable doubt if I dismiss this "evidence?"

Besides, who decides what is "REASONABLE doubt?"

wiegraf: Logic. Look up the meaning of the word foo.lish, it's fairly simple. Currently mobile, can't bothered.

This isn't subjective, holding a false premise that's patently false (and may even harm you) is foo:lish, simple. There's good reason overly emotional people aren't allowed near certain positions; they tend to be foo:lish. These are the folk more likely to go with a false premise simply because it appeals to them, no surprise many are religious. (Tossing away pc, i'm looking at you, stereotypical women, though many dudes qualify as well, obviously, and not all women are unnecessarily irrational)

And even if you were indulged, a big if, making it subjective changes nothing. He'd still qualify as the perfect foo:lish to some regardless, just as he remains the perfect bad to many

It is logic that defines logic?

Yet you accuse other people of circular reasoning!

Wise man, who defines logic?

Logicboy03: This is called ‘playing dumb’.


If i told you that i was a millionaire, you would ask for my bank statement.

If I told you that that I own a car, you would ask for the particulars....

Guy, we all know what evidence is.

If we all agreed on what evidence is, why do people still argue on things that "evidence" has been presented for?

You believe in macro evolution, mazaje doesnt. Yet there is "evidence."

The US believes the Syrian Government used chemical weapons on its citizens; Russia believes it isnt true. Yet there is "evidence."

I can go on and on but I'm sure you understand already.

Even if you presented a bank statement and vehicle papers, it wouldnt necessarily mean that you have a car and a million. I'm sure you agree...dont make me expantiate.

So I repeat. Who decides what is "evidence?"

I love and miss Benedict XVI. A very humble man indeed. He is a giant of the church who likes to pass unnoticed - avoiding the praise and limelight.

He was very instrumental in Vatican II Council. For many years he faithfully served at the right hand of John Paul II. Even then, he wanted a retirement but decided he could not abandon his then ailing and suffering superior.

Pope Francis is more radical but I have no doubt that the man Joseph Ratzinger - Benedict XVI is a saint to be.

Mr Troll: evidence. Facts. Proof beyond reasonable doubt.

Who decides what is "evidence", "fact" and "proof beyond reasonable doubt?"

What some call proof, others dismiss as no-proof.

Kay 17: Sw

This is overly sentimental. One thing to note, all beliefs are not true by virtue of being mere beliefs.

What makes beliefs true?

And she has always heard and answered my petitions to her (that she intercede for us before her Son our Lord.

Kay 17: You are meaning to say, God is a subjective experience to you and the billion theists?!

You have a mother. But you were told at some point in your life and you believed.

Does that mean your mother is a subjective experience to you?

I repeat! Our claim is coherent to us...so to us, your claim lies unproven.

wiegraf: Logic

Who decides what is logical?

Atheists?

wiegraf: This means god is subject to satan, a true master

It could also explain some of yahwehs psychosis

No. I am asking you who decides what is foolish and what is wise.

How does he have Jesus' endorsement. Please show me, that I might possibly convert.

wiegraf: Theists, una fall my hand.

Okay, here's another proposition.


The number one difference, in a manner of speak, or ostensibly in a sense, or yadda yadda yadda, between humans and current computers is; humans can make mistakes. Humans can hold a proposition that are false for years as true, no problems whatsoever.

We can operate even when faced with problems a turing machine cannot solve, eg when faced with this infamous 'conundrum'

"This statement is false"

A human doesn't crash, we somehow just continue to operate. A computer, of course, cannot deal with such propositions per se. It can't give you a true, false, or definite scalar value as the answer. Of course, this is a simplification, but the point should be clear.

Now, holding a false proposition as true is indubitably....foo.lish. Look at religions built around blind faith for instance. As humans operate this way, we tend to be.....foo.lish.... very much so. Again, read theist threads to see what I mean.

Anyways, if god is supposed to be the perfect consciousness, replete with anthropomorphism, and consciousness is built around stoopidity, then god, by default, is the most stoopid being in existence. The perfect foo.lishness. Prove me wrong.

This can also be proven using the obvious; he's omnipotent, so obviously he's also the most foo.lish being in the universe (along with the smartest as well), but we can ignore that. So all the math adds up, see?

@satan, who decides who/what is foolish and what is wise. All Atheists or some of them?

bizmahn: They'll certainly reply how come then the catholic thrives by holding the highest membership in millions & I'll reply how else can you explain the the world & hell holding multiple majority of sinners & only few get to heaven.

bizmahn: He clearly won.Christ won,The apostles won,The bible won.Praise be to God.

You were wrong about my reply though I respect you right to free speech that is guaranteed by democracy.

My reply is: HOW DID HE WIN?

Kay 17: Yet my claim stands as an antithesis to yours! It is built against your claim. Your inability to create a coherent claim proves our claim!

Our claim is coherent to us. It was coherent to me when I was told and I believed...along with billions of others.

So, to us, nothing proves your claim.

nnofaith: daft pple dont know they are daft. if they did, they wont be daft anymore.

@italo
pardon our french.

Okay I dont know whether I am daft or not.

Only wise people like you, Mazaje and other Atheists would know.

Happy?

@ Ubenedictus,

You have said enough to prove him an envious pretender.

We can now allow him "win" his war against the Catholic Church.

A war that Emperors Nero, Diocletian, Martin Luther and the communists together satan couldnt win.

^^^

Now you're saying the Catholic Church is not God's Church.

But anywhere that 2people gather in Jesus name is God's Church.

How? Do Catholics not gather in Jesus name?

ebamma: And what if after paying millions in tithe to pastor adeboye so that u can make heaven, then u came to realise that there is no heaven?

You wont "realize" anything because you wont be.

Think!

But what if you live life rejecting God only to die and find there is an afterlife in heaven or hell?

^^^and what a miss!

Perhaps you could have helped us read and explain St. Ignatius.

Kay 17: That's a meaningless, baseless, foundationless question because it is utmost important the term God be defined and a claim thereof be substantiated! Hence automatically the theist is burdened with the responsibility to "make" his claim.

A claim is a claim. I claim God exists. You claim he doesnt. If you cant prove your claim, why should I prove mine? If God is yet to be defined as you say, how can you then assert that something you dont know/understand doesnt exist?

ebamma: To the religious folks in the house,
what if after all the millions of naira tithes you paid, millions in offerings in church, prayers day and night, then you come to the realisation that judgement day will never come to know whether u are going to heaven or to hell cos there is no God, how will you feel?

If there is no God, heaven and hell, there will be no afterlife so we wont exist after death and we wont realize anything and wont do anything.

We simply wont be.

mazaje: He read your statement and give his opinion, obviously what ever it is you were saying and how ever it was you said it was completely daft and senseless as and he stated the obvious, something you alone are not seeing. . .As usual you went around attaching what he said about you with others just so that you can feel good about your self. . .Keep on keeping on if it will make you sleep well at night. . .

Okay I'm daft and you are wise. Infact all Atheists are wise.

I hope you're happy and fulfilled now.

See you later.