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Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  

He is encouraging terrorism not Iin self-defence but because they are not muslims.

This verse speaks directly of polytheists, and it also includes Christians, since we believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." 

This verse establish that violence can be virtuous, it also shows that fighting is not intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  Looking at the Hadith, we see that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Wrong!

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare. Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccans.  The verses urge offensive warfare, for Muslims to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The "cease" rather stands for when the Meccans are converted to Islam.

It seems that you are the dumb one.

tintingz: Lolzz are you that dumb?? The cease stands for when the enemies desist from attacking muslims. Allah said in

[Quran 2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in God has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer, Omniscient.

Both the bible god is so harsh that he wants every creation to be destroyed

[Joshua 6:23, 21]Joshua said to the people of Israel, "The Lord has given you the city of the all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN,YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND DONKEY, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD.

BH killed muslims in the mosque those it still shows BH are real muslims or do the muslims that were killed in the mosque worship your "holyghost and son" along with Allah?? Abeg use your brain.

You refer to me as "foul" but you refer to the murderer who inspires you to kill all infidels as "holy."

Shekau must be Holy to you too.

F00028: @italo
anyone calm enough to look past your foul hot air sees you really got nothing.

I opened the threads and didnt find any atheist that said "I'm Catholic."

YOU LIED!

[quote author=tpia@]i wonder why you're getting upset when the people you opened this thread to attack, arent, even though your intent is to aggravate them.

check the post history of the most vocal atheists here, i already gave you a link which you refused to open, maybe you're afraid to ask them directly?[/quote]

Chiedu go sleep o. The telescope doesnt belong to the Vatican.

A honourable person would at least edit the title of the thread...but not you.

Yes. Killed, not by Christians, but other Muslims.

If you preach or condone killing of other people, you will definitely kill your own eventually.


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  

So if we dont cease worshipping the Son and the Holy Spirit Along with "Allah" we should be bombed and beheaded abi.

tintingz: Have you read about 50 muslims that were killed in the mosque recently by boko haram??

The question is are these terrorist following the teaches of the Quran?

Dont let us start listing attrocities committed by muslims on a daily basis in the name of "Allah" here o.

With pictures and videos.

aurenflani: Was it not Christians that murdered thousands in India just because a missionary lady was rightly rebuked?

Was it not Christians that murdered countless numbers of men, women and children Rwanda and Iraq?

Hatred is not the way to go my dear.

Oh! So it is nairaland Christians that want peace between Muslims and Christians? Not the Islamic fundamentalists?

Everytime we go to Church in the North, we risk being blown to pieces just for being Christians...yet we are the ones that dont want peace?

tintingz: I just have to Like your post , cuz you don't follow follow all this NL christians that are claiming "christ-like" and yet they don't wanna hear or read any good about Muslims/Islam...they just don't want 'peace' between muslims and christians.

Some ignorant minded people even said that's not a church but a mosque, when do mosque start attaching "cross" to their buidings??

No. People like the Muslims who those Muslims in the picture are allegedly protecting the Christians from are the problem with this world.

aurenflani: People like including those who liked your post are the problem of this world

As for me, I went to evening mass. The priest mainly talked about how we must realize that pain and suffering is part of our existence. If we are to be disciples, we must take up our cross and follow Jesus daily...and the cross is an instrument of pain and shame.

But tell that to "it is not my portion" people and they will start riot.

"Cha cha cha...ba ba ba...singamasinga"

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Their message is the same everyday: prosperity!

So what do you expect them to say?

[quote author=Maria-Goretti]does that mean only the catholics went to church?[/quote]

After they have destroyed 50 Churches, christian homes and businesses, killed many Priests, sisters and laity like bushmeat. Yesterday they paraded 3 nuns in the street like prisoners of war....raised the Al Qaeda flag over churches, desecrated all that we hold sacred... All without any cause or provocation.

Somebody is coming to show me one obscure picture telling me rubbish.

Ha! We Christians don suffer.

I refuse to be fooled.

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@F00028

You talk about someone encouraging his followers to be destructive...

...so just to congratulate you. Your brother in Egypt have destroyed more than 50 churches, christian homes and businesses...killed several Christians and molested and harassed poor nuns.

All without provocation.

Surely, it was Mohammed that sent them on that errand, not Jesus.

"Allahu akbar"

Its true o... the verses must have been talking about that fraudster, Mohammed. That war-monger, sexual pervert and murderer.

My bad!

F00028: Jesus, really?
- A wonderful counselor does not advise his
followers that if they have faith they can be
agents of destruction (Matthew 21:19-21;
Mark 11:14, 20-23).

- A mighty God does not take orders from anyone (Luke2:51, Hebrews 5:8 ), for no one is greater than he is (Matthew 12:31-32; John 5:30, 14:28).

- He does not ask or need to be save by anyone (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42), for he cannot die by any means (Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, John 19:30).

- He who is called the Son of God the Father (John 1:18, 3:16) cannot himself be called everlasting Father. One cannot play simultaneously the role of the son and the Father; it is an obvious self- contradiction.

-He who advocates family strife (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53) and killing enemies (Luke 19:27) cannot be called a ruler of peace.

The only part of the old testament that isn't corrupted is the part where Mohammed is spoken of...so show us that part.

Isaiah 9:6

Corrupted too?

Psalms 22.

Corrupted too abi?

1 million places.

For starters: Isaiah 53

But Mohammed told you it is corrupted, abi?

F00028: where in the old testament is "Jesus" spoken of?

Countless places.

But if we show you, you will say that portion is corrupted.

You first tell us which books or portions you believe in the old testament.

Abi are you like lilbakar who believes only John 16:7-15 out of the entire Bible?

@Sal C,

Thanks for that.

emmysenior: Catholics don't do that, except the pentecostal churches.

I even smile sometimes...especially before the Blessed Sacrament.

How I wish all Christians knew that it should be a love affair between us and God. Perhaps they frown because they are demanding something they want at all cost.

They treat him as their maga...

We treat him as our lover/father/loving father.

By the way, I'm looking forward to your next anti-Catholic thread.

I realize it's a great tool for Catholic evangelization.

Especially when we go there and make you look stupid.

superior1: This shows how lacking you are in quality upbringing. If this is the best defence you can give for the paganism of Roman Catholic, you don't worth any further response from me.

I dont understand.

You prowl nairaland insulting all 1.2billion Catholics and billions more of our ancestors in the faith...calling us "demonic," "worshippers of dead bones," "pagans."

One Catholic says you treat your parents as dead pigs and you are crying: 'bad upbringing.'

Hypocrite! You think say na only you sabi talk before...

You think I will glorify you by arguing with you?

Argue with the Holy Spirit.

superior1: You are really losing it.

How? Because I hold my parents corpses sacred but you would treat yours as dead pigs?

Any Catholic Church anywhere in the world I find myself.

And very very proud of that.

Abi should I post another verse that shows that penance and mortification are scriptural?

Another verse superior never knew existed?

I only stopped to save him the obvious embarassment. He's still a human being afterall.

Na animals dem they treat without dignity.

But when human beings begin behave like animals........

Where did Jesus command that?

free2ryhme: do u have the corpse of your parents in your house

superior1: He has them in his cupboard, it is too sacred

Better than throwing your parents bodies where you throw dead pigs because they are just as useless and filthy.

[quote author=tpia@]most or many of them say they're catholic or ex-catholic, doesnt matter.[/quote]It matters. It's unfair to tell a lie in public...and your neither have evidence for what you said nor the decency to recant the statement.

Thats the problem with this country. We blame politicians but even you seem to have mastered the art of telling blatant lies to the public.

Integrity has flown out the window.

I repeat. I have never seen an Atheist that says "I'm Catholic." Can you give us ONE name out of the "most" you know?

[quote author=waldigit ]Beloved, if there is a great virture you lack, its how to be sincere with yourself in ur inward man, shalom.[/quote]How? How am I not sincere with my "inward man." Please show your "beloved"...that I might not go to hell...