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Because he is God. He is capable of anything, even having a Mother.

computaangel: God only used her to bring d saviour of d world,there is nothing like asking her to pray to jesus for u dat is idol worship,if she,s in heaven only God knows.even if ur a prophet its nt a criterial for u to make heaven, d standard is HOLINESS which without,
no man can see God

...But we have been asking her to pray for us for centuries and we have been seeing the rewards.

[quote author=HerexG ]* Here is the answer to your first "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak." (John 12:48-49).
And He did not because of mary but because of He that sent Him.[/quote]My friend you are talking rubbish. Those verses have nothing to do with my question. It was not yet the appointed time of HE that sent Jesus. So why did he reveal his glory?

[quote author=HerexG ]* Not holding the parents to a high esteem does'nt mean, He did'nt give His earthly parents the respect and honor due to them but He never depended solely on them as a normal child will do to His parents . Fulfilling God's will was His main objective, the earthly parents was as a vessel unto God used in fulfilling the call.[/quote]Another load of crap! What is the difference between "high esteem" and "honour and respect?" NO DIFFERENCE!

Every normal child should not depend solely on the parents too.
Fulfilling God's will should be their main objectives. Our earthly parents are never mere "vessels", if they were, God wouldn't tell us to honour them. Jesus certainly held his Mother in high esteem.

[quote author=HerexG ]* I made reference to an Israeli rabbi because the original promise came to them first before some people diluted and adulterated the true gospel of Christ.[/quote]So you now go to the rabbis that rejected Jesus for the truth?!!

Just because you don't want to go to the Church Jesus founded to teach us the truth.

[quote author=HerexG ]* I'm not an anti Catholic but He that is redeemed through the blood of our Lord , i represent no denomination but Christ.[/quote]There is nothing like denomination...and how can you represent Christ and reject his body, the Church

The same place where Joshua got instruction to fall prostrate before the graven images of the cherubs in the Ark.

Where did he get it from?

Reyginus: So far, italo has not given me an answer from the biblical angle.

That is because we have not come to an agreement on what the Bible is, who compiled, created, canonized, named and gave it to the world. When it was created and by what spirit and authority it was compiled and created. Who has the authority to interprete it.

When we sort these out, you would no longer have those questions, but if we don't, no amount of explanation will be enough for you.

truthislight: Thats your headech.

Am interested in what the words of the epistle of the apostles of christ says.

It was the Church that told us the Authors of the books, that's why we believe it.

Let me ask you:

How do you know that Mark wrote the book of Mark and that it was inspired by the Holy Spirit?

My answer: because the Catholic Church told us so.

Your answer?

EMILO2STAY: no they are not the same,u cant find a verse to support the use of images, purgatory,mary worship in the james bible.

But it was you who Said the Deuterocanonical books are of the devil...and the initial King James Bible had the deuterocanonical books...meaning the KJV was done under the inspiration of the devil.

EMILO2STAY: i know, it's just that the catholic church made them seem devilish when the church fathers included some delivlish writings to support the use of images, prayer to dead saints,mary worship etc.

So you are saying The Catholic Bible and the King James Bible were both done under the inspiration of satan, since they both contained the deuterocanonical books.

So satan's book is your sole authority on matters of faith and morals?!

[quote author=HerexG ]Our Christ our Lord is far too bigger than what you take Him to be, Jesus never hold His earthly parents to a high esteem as you folks think. Remember when He was 12years teaching at the synagogue, He told His earthly parents not to look for Him, that He is busy with His Father's business . Parental attachment to Christ while on the right hand side of the Father is nothing but a lie from the pit of hell, i repeat before Mary is Christ was. The devil loves counterfeiting the glory of God, the Romans worship the spirit of semiramis before the advent of Mary, they used Christianity as cover up for there pagan worship. (Study the link above it is from a Israeli rabbi).[/quote]YOU... Remember the wedding in Cane when Mary said "they have no wine." Jesus replied "my time has not yet come." It wasn't the time God had appointed for him to reveal his glory.

Why then did he go ahead and perform the miracle?

How did Mary know he was going to do it after the reply he gave her?

...And you say he didn't hold his earthly parents in high esteem. You he broke the commandment "honour your father and mother" all his life?

You mean he sinned throughout his life!

Secondly, why are you making reference to an "Israeli rabbi?" You anti-Catholics say you only want references to the Bible. Why are you breaking your own daft rule? Is it okay for me too to quote from outside the Bible or is the freedom solely reserved for anti-Catholics?

EMILO2STAY: stop confusing urself ur shying away from using the bible to defend ur catholic stance.

Why should I use a book you think could be partly inspired by satan to defend my stance?

EMILO2STAY: did the catholic church author the bible? Yes or no.

Yes.

EMILO2STAY: Yes ur church added books that were inspired by satan which are now included in the apocrypha. Prove me wrong if u
disagree.

Do you agree with Enigma that the original King James Bible had the Deuterocanonical books which you call "apocrypha?"

If you do it would mean that the KJV was done under the inspiration of satan.

EMILO2STAY: 'the holy spirit inspired those who authored the bible' that is a fact , 'the holy spirit did inspire the catholic church to compile the bible' that is fallacy b/c they hid, killed those found with the bible and added lies to the word of God did the holy spirit tell them to do that?

Stop being dubious.

You said the Bible wasn't compiled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. This means those who compiled it could have put in books that were inspired by satan and removed books that were inspired by the Holy Spirit. How then, can we take the Bible as the inerrant word of God and as an Authority on matters of faith and doctrine?

Stop dodging my question.

@ Pastor Kun,

You now ask a question which you expect me to answer but I remember asking you a simple question which you evaded (tactfully, I think).

I said:

Was the Bible (which you have admitted was compiled by the Catholic Church in the fourth century) compiled under the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit or satan?

Pastor Kun: The highlighted is wrong, the bible wasn't compiled by Kings James in 1611, it was actually compiled by the catholic church in the fourth century AD.

Oh! So some of you can even admit to this truth? Good! Perhaps, you're not all shameless and pathetic liars afterall.

So was it compiled under the guidance and the Holy Spirit or satan?

Pastor Kun: What Kings James did was to authorise the first offical english translation which we know as Kings james version today. Earlier attempts to translate the bible was punishable by death as was the case with William Tynsdale who was murdered by the catholic church for translating the bible into english.

William Tyndale was executed by civil authorities for committing a crime that was punishable by death.

[quote author=HerexG ]* Don't get it twisted, i never said she damned in hell[/quote]Don't get it twisted, I never said you did. I said you think she's probably damned in hell. Or isn't that so?

If she's in hell, why would all generations call her blessed?

And if she's not in hell, where is she?

[quote author=HerexG ]*Never compare the earthly realm with the spiritual real, they are the different entity, their is no father or mother in the realm of the spirit. Only your deed and faith in God and His words will speak for you. As for Christ recognizing Mary as His mother is a hoax, because before Mary is Christ was. Mary only speak for herself where ever she is now.[/quote]Why then did John see the mother bearing the son in heaven?

How did the rich man in Jesus' parable remember his family members from his place of torment?

If someone in the place of torments can remember and care for his family members, why do you think Jesus, who is in heaven has forgotten his Mother?

[quote author=HerexG ]* Don't get it twisted, i never said she damned in hell

Don't get it twisted, I never said you did. I said you think she's probably damned in hell. Or isn't that so?

*Never compare the earthly realm with the spiritual real, they are the different entity, their is no father or mother in the realm of the spirit. Only your deed and faith in God and His words will speak for you. As for Christ recognizing Mary as His mother is a hoax, because before Mary is Christ was. Mary only speak for herself where ever she is now.[/quote]Why then did John see the mother bearing the son in heaven?

[quote author=Bélla3]i give up
[img]http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1313178415025.jpg[/img][/quote]You give up just because I asked you a simple question that begged a simple answer.

But you don't give up on @ Emilo2stay who says the Bible wasn't compiled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Perhaps, because you share the same view. Okay lemme rephrase my question:

Why should I use the Bible ONLY to prove that the Catholic Church is the same Church of the Bible when the Bible might just contain the words of Satan?

Also, I asked you a question you didn't answer earlier on. I said: if the Catholic Church isn't the one Jesus talked about, point me to the Church then... No answer till now.

I told you you were biased against Catholicism and you said no.

@ Emilo2stay,

You want us to talk based on the Bible, but how can we do that when we cannot even agree on what the Bible is, who created and compiled it and when?

You dishonesty on these matters has led you to even go as far as saying that the Bible wasn't compiled by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... Just because you don't want to accept that the Catholic Church created, compiled, canonized, named and gave the world the Bible in the fourth century.

So if the Bible wasn't compiled by the Holy Spirit, how can we use it as an authoritative spiritual guide. It means the compilers could have possibly thrown out books that were inspired by the Holy Spirit and included books that were inspired by satan.

That's where your lies have taken you to.

EMILO2STAY: Talk is cheap, prove to me that i am throwing unverified truth and lies. U are simply shying away from answering my questions using the bible, this goes to prove the fact that ur church doctrine is a far cry from been same with the doctrine of the bible.

Here's proof:

EMILO2STAY: hahahahahaha......Actually it is you who is afraid of somthing INSIDE THE BIBLE.

You just say things that aren't verified, aren't verifiable and aren't true.

You seem to want this to just be a shouting match where the one with many words wins. If so, take the victory and the trophy.

Gone are the days of arguments that go: "you are mad" "you are stupid" "you are more stupid."

Leave that for kindagartens.

@ Emilo2stay,

I don't even know where you stand.

If the Bible wasn't compiled by the Holy Spirit as you say, how are you then sure that the devil hasn't put his own books there?

How then, can you hold it as the inerrant word of God?

[quote author=HerexG ]Do you think Christ still recognise Mary as His mother ? Heaven and earth shall pass away but His word will never pass away. Everything connecting Mary and Christ has passed away, except she got saved in her life time, if not so, nothing for her .[/quote]Do you think Christ is suffering from amnesia like some of you urchins on nairaland?

The New Covenant still remembers the Ark that housed him, protected him, taught him, breastfed him, loved him and remained faithful to him.

ALL generations shall call me BLESSED is what the Bible says.

Sadly, you reject that and think she's probably damned in hell.

If she's in hell, why would ALL generations call her blessed?

@ Emilo2stay,

You have practically said that the Bible was compiled under the inspiration of satan.

Shouldn't that be the end of our discussion?

[quote author=Bélla3]^^^okay...
But how do you know the early church was catholic. Scriptures only.[/quote]Why scriptures only? Is there something outside of scriptures that you're scared of?

plaetton: Since we on the issue of prayers, what volume of prayers does god require in,lets say, a typical month?. we pray when we wake up, pray when we eat breakfast, lunch, dinner, and again before wee go to sleep. we pray about five times in a typical church session. This repetition, is it not a clear sign of doubts about god and his ability to not only hear, but also to deliver?

And I have always asked, but yet to receive answers:
What is the difference between prayer and special prayer?

What volume of communication do you require from your loved ones in, lets say, a typical month?. You communicate when you wake up, communicate when you eat breakfast, lunch, dinner, and again before you go to sleep. You communicate many times during a typical date. This repetition, is it a clear sign of doubts about you and your ability to not only hear, but also to deliver?

And I have always asked, but yet to receive answers:
What is the difference between communication and special communication?

My sweetheart,

All seven "churches" were one and the same. With one leadership and one doctrine. They were only differentiated based on location.

It is like saying St. Dominic's Catholic Church, Yaba and St. Leo's Catholic Church, Ikeja are different Churches... Of course, they are not. They are both part of the one holy catholic and apostolic church.

[quote author=Bélla3]:-/ You said the roman catholic church obeys the word of God. And clearly, catholism is much different from other churches which means these other churches are hell bound(for not obeying God's word).[/quote]The Catholic Church teaches that ONLY those who KNOW the Catholic Church to be God's one true Church and reject it are damned... And this applies to everyone; non-Catholic Christians, non-Christians and even Atheists. I hope you understand it now

[quote author=Bélla3]I once stayed with a catholic family, and i truely saw Christ in their lives. They prayed directly to God through Christ, nt through an intercessor, there was alot of love in that home.
I do not believe the church you attend is a ticket to Heaven. If you ask me protestants commit more idolatory by 'woshipping' pastors.[/quote]I assure you that every single faithful Catholic family on earth pray both directly to Jesus - Holy Spirit - God the Father, and through the intercession of Mary and the Saints...including that family you are talking about. So if you saw Christ in their lives, it wasn't because they didn't pray through Mary and the Saints, it was INSPITE and probably BECAUSE they prayed through Mary and the Saints, in addition to praying directly to the Holy Trinity.

The Catholic Church does not tell Catholics that they have tickets to heaven just because they are Catholic. It is protestants that do that when they say "Just accept Jesus and you have salvation." The Catholic Church tells Catholics that they are saved at baptism, but they can lose their salvation if they don't persevere in faith and good works throughout their lives. What gives you a ticket to heaven or hell is what you do with the truths that the Catholic Church has revealed to you. Do you accept them and live in accordance with them or do you reject them and live contrary to them?

[quote author=Bélla3]Both catholic and protestant churches are the church of men, there is only one church of Jesus Christ and it is more than the catholic of protestant church.


CHRIST THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, HALLELUYAH![/quote]The Catholic Church is the one true Church that Jesus founded. All other so-called "churches" were founded by men only looking after their own interests.

If you disagree, show me the Church Jesus meant when he said "I will build my Church."

Segun agagu: The queen of heaven is EVIL!!!!!!!.

...You have seen her before?

Neddivine: According to exodus 20:4,5 true christians are not even supposed to kneel,bow or pray through the statue or image of Jesus let alone that of Mary.

What did Joshua do in Joshua 7?

Neddivine: All thru the time of the disciples and apostles & converted gentile multitudes from Acts till Revelation in d bible there was no special reference or recognition accorded to Mary except to Lord Jesus.Their was no prayer to God made through her.Their was no honor supplication or intercession made for her or through her yet the catholics chose on their own to Deify her and give her honors due only to the Most High God and His son Jesus.I was once a catholic & can testify that till tomorow catholics bow,reverence,pray to and make obeisance to any statue of Mary contrary to Exodus 20:4,5:-
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:thou shalt not bow down to them....
Some go ahead to make dedicated alters in their sitting room with the statue of Mary where they always pray and make obeisance.Who could tell me then I was in error.I could literarily kill should u try to convince me contrary or try to pull me out of the catholic faith.Catholics are bonded to their doctrines similar way muslims are to theirs.Arguements will hardly convince them but strong persistent fervent prayers which is lacking among penticostals these last days.

Question 1: you said you were once a Catholic. Have you ever worshipped Mary or her statue? YES or NO?

Question 2: do you mean that God also contradicted his own law when he asked the Israelites to make a graven image of a bronze serpent and the Cherubs of the Ark of the covenant?

@ Emilo2stay,

It is clear to me that you are here to exercise your anti-Catholic stance by just throwing around unverified and unverifiable lies and untruths.

There is no way to reason with you so I will just let you keep attacking the Church like many (even more powerful people than you) have done for 2000 years.

I wish you success in your quest to bring down the Catholic Church.

Should we?

@truthislight.

@ Reyginus, here's the Nicene Creed.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

For you to claim that you believe the above and still say all that you have said indicates that you are either a liar or a fool. Sorry to say.

Reyginus: I don't understand how this amounts to rebellion against the church. What I think is happening is the catholic church's rebellion against the word of God.

'...what you THINK is happening...'

Shouldn't you be sure before spewing thrash in public?

I said you are rebelling against God and his word because God, through his word, tells you clearly to go to the Church for the truth...and that is not what you are doing, is it?

Rather you are telling God that the Church is not the pillar and foundation of the truth but it is the pillar and foundation of lies.

If this isn't rebellion, what is?