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 Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 1:20pm On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: The question should be, when did the totality of christains give us the catholic church?To answer your question, it was this your "totality" rubbish that gave us the Catholic Church... It was Jesus. It is you who said just "knowing" Christ will take you to heaven automatically. I don't understand how it is me who now has to explain it. It should be you. Now can you pls answer my very simple questions. italo: When did this "totality of the children of God under one umbrella" give us the Bible and under what umbrella was it?Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 1:08pm On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: 1. The catholic church is only a denomination of the church. As long as the catholic church doesn't house all christains, it cannot lay claim to compiling the bible. The church is as old as christainity, while the catholic church is as old as the great rebellion."Denomination" is a word that protestants like to use to validate themselves but that word doesn't exist in Christianity. There is only one Church that Jesus founded with one faith and one doctrine. All those other shops you call denominations were founded by men who sought their own agenda. And that includes every one of them. So if the Catholic Church didn't compile the Bible, when did this your "totality of God's children under one umbrella" compile it? When did this "great rebellion" happen and how? Reyginus: 2. The bible will tell you.Stop dodging. It isn't the Bible that is spewing bulls.hit, its you. I'm asking you a question about what you said. What ways in which God transmits his word are established and what ways aren't? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 12:53pm On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: To your question, the pillar and foundation of truth, is its source....And I believe the source of Truth is God. Infact Jesus is Truth himself. God says through St. Paul in 1Tim 3:15 that "the CHURCH (not the Bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth." The Bible says in 1Tim 3:15 that "the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth." Why are you then rebelling against God and his word by implying that it is the Bible? How can you then use the Bible against the Church when the Bible clearly says 'go to the Church for TRUTH?" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 12:42pm On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: 1. By the church here, I mean the totality of the children of God, under one umbrella. Let take this example. The church never segregated. The catholic church held that salvation can only be gained under its tutelage, neglecting the fact that all that matters is 'knowing' christ. This continued until the era of Pope John xxiii down to john paul ii.When did this "totality of the children of God under one umbrella" give us the Bible and under what umbrella was it? So your Bible teaches you that "knowing" Christ will automatically guarantee you salvation?.. And Catholic teaching being contrary to that is wrong? Have you noticed that you are not making sense? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 10:46am On Feb 03, 2013 |
EMILO2STAY: Are u seriously typing this? Cuz i said i need a serious proof not a joke. How does the above verse explain that doctrine of the church is the same with the bible,give me details.Jesus told the first Fathers of his Church: "he who hears you hears me." What kinda proof do you need? Video evidence? EMILO2STAY: Stop enforcing popery on peter.He did not wear fish meter and he did not claim to be God on earth like ur pope.If you will discuss like a human being, discuss. But if you want to spew brainless words, then go it alone. When did the Pope ever claim to be God? EMILO2STAY: They compiled some not all,to compile does not mean to creat.They compiled the books of the Bible by picking those they saw as scriptural and discarding those they saw as unscriptural. They made them into a canon of scriptures and named it "Bible." So the Catholic Church CREATED the Bible and they did it for Catholics. EMILO2STAY: They did it by voting and for the sole purpose of keeping it from the masses. Did the holy spirit tell them to hide it? And kill any who is found with the bible?So the Bible was created only so it could be hidden from people?! So the Bible was not compiled under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?! So it was compiled by Satan and his demons?! See what anti-Catholicism has done to you? It has shut down your "christian" brain. EMILO2STAY: ask ur pope thatWe know the Pope is infallible. I am asking if you are infallible. Yes or No? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 9:33am On Feb 03, 2013 |
plappville: So why are some of thier doctrines not found in the Bible? And what happened to the books they rejected?Some of Catholic doctrines are not explicitly stated in the Bible but none is contrary to what the Bible teaches. This is because God transmits his Word to us by Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Have you forgotten that St. Paul said "we should stand fast to the word brought to us by by writing and by word of mouth? Or you just ignore it because it is in conflict with your anti-Catholic reasoning. About the discarded books, why don't you tell me about them since you dispute that the Catholic Church decided what is scripture and what isn't. plappville: As far as i have noticed here in NL. Most of the catholics lack bible knowledge. They can argue without backing thier claim with the bible or worse they will twist scriptures to surport a doctrine. e.g... Infant baptism was validated with the word househood...smh!The fact that you refuse to accept the truths that they tell you doesn't mean that they are wrong. There is no way you can understand the Bible more than the Church that wrote the New Testament and created the Bible for its children. You can read it through out the day and memorize its verses but you can never understand it more than a faithful Catholic. You cannot argue with an author about the contents of his book. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 8:55am On Feb 03, 2013 |
plappville: The word Christian is mentioned in the Bible, i have not noticed the word CATHOLIC...show me please!I have answered this. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 8:47am On Feb 03, 2013 |
[quote author=Bélla3]So italo, all other 'christians' are going to hell?[/quote]I wonder the way you reason! What have I ever said that suggests that all other "christians" are going to hell? By the way, I didn't see you ask the anti-Catholics if Catholics are going to hell after all their attacks. Your thinking faculty is clearly affected by a shameless bias against Catholicism. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 8:16am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: I don't even agree the catholic church gave us the bible. The 'Church' did. The Catholic Church is not as old as the church. They are two different things.Which "church" did, if not the Catholic Church? How old is "the church" and how old is the Catholic Church? Reyginus: That's by the way.What are these "ways?" What "WAYS" are established and what ways aren't? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 8:08am On Feb 03, 2013 |
Reyginus: Kay, the thing is, the moment we begin to focus on the roles the bible plays, and not as I put it, we deviate from 'my problem with catholism'.NO! By talking about the role the Bible plays, you are hitting the nail right on its head...and you will find your arguments are baseless. One question: what is the pillar and foundation of the truth? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 7:59am On Feb 03, 2013 |
plappville: No sir, am not ok with you answers. Plz Prove the bolded with Scripture.The last of the books of the Bible had already been written before The Church was called "The Catholic Church" around 110AD, so there is no way it could have been written in scripture. It is like asking me to prove that there are Nigerian Christians with scripture. The Gospel got to Nigeria long after the books of the Bible wrer written so it could not possibly have been written in the Bible. But it doesn't mean there are no Nigerian Christians. However, it is the same Church that the apostles founded that is The Catholic Church. plappville: I agree the scripture was penned down by the Apostles. Not contesting thatPeople like Luke and Mark weren't apostles, were they? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 7:43am On Feb 03, 2013 |
[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]^^^^ *What does church mean to you? Bonus question: Is Rev. King's church part of this foundation?[/quote]In a strict sense, "The Church" is "The Catholic Church." Rev King's shop and all other shops including ALL THE OTHER SHOPS are not a part of the Church because they have severed themselves from the Church. What does the Church mean to you? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 7:34am On Feb 03, 2013 |
truthislight: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Romans 10:13-14).You will be judged because The Catholic Church which Jesus founded to teach you; which wrote the new testament; which gave you the Bible; which the Bible says is the pillar and foundation of the truth; which brought the faith to the world...has told you some of the things which are not recorded in the Bible but are the word of God, but you have rejected them, saying: "where is it in the Bible?" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Of Us Still Make Our Night Prayers Before Bed? by italo: 7:25am On Feb 03, 2013 |
You all miss it. God knows a our needs and grants us many of them without our asking. He does still, like it when we show our trust in him and humility by coming to him in prayer. A parent knows most of the needs of the Child and grants many of them without the Child asking...but if the child and parent never communicate, the relationship suffers...and who would like that. Prayer isn't just asking favours from God. It is communication with God...and it could even be you telling God: "Dad, I want to do what pleases you," simple as it may sound. Don't let our pentecostal brothers deceive you into thinking that Christian prayer is all about "gimme this"..."Gimme that!" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Problem With Catholism-An Introspection by italo: 11:23pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Reyginus: No, it is. I think your understanding of the what is meant by 'bible' is hindering you here. I understand the 'bible' to be, the word of God.The Catholic Church created, named and canonized the Bible foR Catholics. We tell you what the Bible is and isn't; you don't tell us. The Bible is the word of God but the Bible (canon of scriptures) is not the only way God transmits his word to us. He also does so through sacred tradition. The New Testament was written by Catholics for Catholics, so you don't explain the Bible to us, we explain to you what God is saying through his Church. The Bible wasn't even addressed to you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Many Of Us Still Make Our Night Prayers Before Bed? by italo: 11:03pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
We must realize that prayer is communication with God. Not communicating regularly witH God will affect our relationship in a similar way as not communicating with our spouse/child/friend will affect our relationships with them. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 10:34pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
truthislight: "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:3-4).So what about the things that Jesus and the apostles said that weren't recorded in the Bible? Are they useless or are they also a basis for judgement? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 10:08pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Segeggs: once a practice is not traceable 2 jesus christ,the author and finisher of the christian faith,then it is not christian.Why then are you hanging pictures in your home since it is not traceable to Christ? It isn't christian according to you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 6:02pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
The Church (not the Bible) is the pillar and foundation of the truth. So says St. Paul in 1 Tim 3:15. Sadly poor arrogant souls who claim to be Christians have assumed a position where they know more than Christ and his Church, claiming the Bible is the pillar and foundation of truth when the Bible clearly says it is the Church. As for us, we submit to the fullness of the truth which the Church possesses. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 4:51pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
frosbel: They were Christians, period.Yes. Catholic Christians. frosbel: We cannot accept your false religion...And you won't be the first. Those disciples in John 6 said something similar: "this is a hard saying, who can listen to it?" 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 2:36pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
frosbel: Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, it is an abomination and stench in the nostrils of GOD.That is your fallible opinion, which could be wrong. Or are you infallible? Pastor Kun: @ItaloThe Catholic Church wrote the new testament through our first Bishops and Priests (The Apostles and their successors). The Catholic Church created, named and canonized the Bible by choosing books that they deemed scriptural and discarding books that they deemed unscriptural... And the Catholic Church did all these for Catholics so there is NO WAY you can undersnd The Bible more than us. Before the Catholic Church did all these, there was nothing like "Bible" or "canon of scriptures." 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 2:23pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
EMILO2STAY: italo you keep making the same empty claim, i need proof to show that the word of the church is the same with the word of God.Matthew 16:16-18. Also, Jesus said "he who hears you hears me." What other proof do you need? EMILO2STAY: Secondly, the catholic church did not creat the scriptures. Where was the catholic church when jesus read the scritptures in the synagogue, where was ur pope when the apostles wrote the books of the new testament.The Pope (Peter) was the head of the Apostles. EMILO2STAY: The catholic might have given that name the 'bible' to the scriptures and might have helped in compiling some of the scriptures and helped also in adding some lies which are no longer part of the bible that does not mean the catholic created the bible.So you accept that the Catholic Church compiled "some of the scriptures." Which scriptures...and under the guidance of which spirit did they compile those scriptures? EMILO2STAY: YOU HAVE EYES BUT DO NOT SEE AND EARS BUT DO NOT HEAR.That is you fallible opinion...which could be wrong. Or are you infallible? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 2:05pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
plappville: Was there this Catholic during the apostles? HOW were they able to preach without the Bible? How did the Catholic got the words in the Bible'? From a source? Which?The Apostles were Catholics. They and some others wrote the books of the New Testament. I guess that answers all your questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Interview Of Richard Dawkins By Ben Stein by italo: 2:00pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Someone is trying to make this thread about Frosbel's views. Dude, it's about Dawkins and his views. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: An Interview Of Richard Dawkins By Ben Stein by italo: 6:54am On Feb 02, 2013 |
This man is closer to accepting God than people think. It is very likely that he knows that God exists but won't publicly accept due to pride. He must be wondering: "How would the headlines go?" People like this deceive the less clever ones into rejecting God, then end up turning to God on their death beds. ...There have been many like that. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 6:32am On Feb 02, 2013 |
[quote author=HerexG ]And @italo not trying to spoil any church but trying make the truth and light made known to all, everything i'm writing here is something you can reason and get your confirmation except you decided not to.[/quote]You are deliberately trying to spoil the name of the Church because we both know that it is only God and the individual in question that can tell who one worships but in your quest to smear us, you have assumed the position of God. You act as if you see our hearts even more than we who own the hearts. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 6:26am On Feb 02, 2013 |
truthislight: the bible Judges you.The Bible is not the judge because the Bible is a book that any fool can read and misinterprete in any way that suits him/her (as you are doing). God is the only one who sees the hearts of men. Obviously, you disagree. Even the men who wrote the books of the Bible are judged by God. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 6:19am On Feb 02, 2013 |
Segeggs: we put pictures of loved ones on our walls but dont bow down and worship them like u do to ur mary picture and statues.once a practice is not traceable 2 jesus christ,the author and finisher of the christian faith,then it is not christian.So did Jesus put pictures of loved ones on his wall as you do? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 6:17am On Feb 02, 2013 |
frosbel: They is ONE way to GOD and that is through Jesus Christ, as least get your facts right ! italo: There are many ways to get to Jesus. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by italo: 2:03pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
christemmbassey: The RCC may have been the problem of christianity in the days goneby, but today 'penticostals' are trying to kill christianity by their selfish-stomach inspired teachings, so pls lets leave the RCC alone . The war is - preach the Gospel, thats the only way to set the ppl free. Leave darkness just put-on the light.Saying The Catholic Church was the problem with Christinianity is the same as saying Christianity was the problem with Christianity because, in a strict sense, Catholicism is Christianity. ...And, about pentecostalism, didn't we tell you all along that these people are fake? You have let them deceive you for so long only to partially come to your senses now. To whom do you go now? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 1:53pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Pvictor10: I am the way, the truth, and Life. No man comes unto the father except by me.There are many ways to get to Jesus. One very efficacious way is going through the same Mother through whom he came to us. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 8:42am On Feb 01, 2013 |
So it is okay for you to honour your who is unworthy, and for musicians to sing in honour of filthy and evil politicians... It is okay for you to have pictures of your family members in your home in order to remember them and ask them to pray for you... ...But when Catholics do all these to Mary and the Saints, who are our family members, you call it worship. You just choose to spoil the name of the Church. |
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