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truthislight: what do you really mean by that ^^^?

This are the assumptions that have destroyed many peoples faith.

I hope you are not meaning to say that the writings of the apostles of christ that makes up the NT are now the product of the catholic church?

Because that will be a lie since the writings of the NT are writings of the apostles.

Please, watch it, dont drag the bible on that tangent.

The bible is made up of OT and NT, so, i dont know what you are talking about.
Peace

My friend, don't expose gross ignorance in public.

There was nothing called "Bible" until the Catholic Church created it and named it so in the 4th century.

I know it is deeply embarassing for you non-Catholics that what you hold as the sole and final authority of faith and doctrine was created and given that authority by the authority of the Catholic Church... But the truth must be told.

frosbel: The catholic church is a 'w.hore' and counterfeit

I could say the same about your wife...but would it make her that?

frosbel: ^^
It is obvious that your church is an idol to you.

"Obvious"...in your anti-Catholic opinion.

Thankfully, your opinion doesn't count.

Boomark: Infact there are many strayed teachings of your church which you are practicing happily because you believe so much in men than God.

You are not in the position to tell me who I believe in.

...Except you have become God almighty, who sees the heart of men.

EMILO2STAY: this italo man sef! Is it that ur blind or deaf. The word of God is the ultimate and not that of the church. The doctrine of the catholic church is man made...how can u say u trust in the doctrine of the church, is the doctrine of the church the same as the bible? Huhh!!...

Yes, the doctrine of the Church is the same as the doctrine of the Bible.

...And it is the Catholic Church that created the Bible in the 4th century and declared it the word of God.

The word of the Church is the word of God.

So the right adjective is "stupid," not "blind" or "deaf"...and it seems to belong in your corner.

Pastor Kun: So it's God that thought you to be worshipping Mary, SMH.

The Church doesn't teach us to worship Mary...so you should be "shaking your head" at your ignorance.

christemmbassey: pls who is the church?

The Catholic Church.

christemmbassey: @ italo, so you will listen to ur church instead of God?

In matters of doctrine, the teachings of the Church are the teachings of God. So we don't choose The Church instead of God, rather, in listening to the Church, we listen to God.

Keep wasting your energy while we keep praying.

Stay there and be finding faults in what you know next to nothing about.

Everyday, hundreds of millions of people are communing with their mother - the mother of their God - and she's helping us to be closer to her Son, our Lord, and obtaining for us many graces and favours.

Continue wasting your time while we fulfill Mary's prophesy: "all generations shall call me blessed."

Continue chasing shadows while we "behold our Mother" as Jesus told John to.

Continue wasting energy while we listen to our Mother as she says "do whatever he tells you" - and look what miracle was worked after the servants at the wedding feast obeyed.

For we Catholics, the teachings of the Church are the teachings of God, so there is no need to choose one and leave the other.

The only time we would refuse what a Priest says (when he is trying to teach) is when he has strayed from the teachings of the Church.

@ Frosbel, take note that you didn't answer (you practically evaded) my question.

italo: So if a man were to marry your daughter...and he took her to a private place and "wedded" her on his own "in Jesus name", without anybody else, you would consider that as she being married in Church?

...Afterall, where TWO or three are gathered in his name...

@ Frosbel, take note that you didn't answer (you practically evaded) my question.

italo: So if a man were to marry your daughter...and he took her to a private place and "wedded" her on his own "in Jesus name", without anybody else, you would consider that as she being married in Church?

...Afterall, where TWO or three are gathered in his name...

As a Pagan, what is your view of Catholicism?

So if a man were to marry your daughter...and he took her to a private place and "wedded" her on his own "in Jesus name", without anybody else, you would consider that as she being married in Church?

...Afterall, where TWO or three are gathered in his name...

Then how is the Priest supposed to "forgive" or "retain" sins as Jesus empowered him to do in John 20:22,23?

...If we don't tell him the sins.

Let them go to GoD. Their help will be even more powerful from there.

...Of?

[quote author=Bélla3]Hmmmmm... I like your reply.
So tell us do you think what the catholic church did is/was right?[/quote]I THINK it is okay...unless somebody can convince me otherwise.

...And that is IF it actually happened, and/or if it happened the way it has been described.

frosbel: I do not belong to a denomination

You do!

Your personal church...where you decide what is right and what is wrong; what is God's teaching and what is not... And I'm sure you also INVEST...or dont you?

frosbel: I can also say that all the stories about pastors buying jets etc are conspiracy theories, no ?

You can say anything you like, it doesnt affect the Catholic Church. We dont need other people's misfortune to validate ourselves.

[quote author=Bélla3]There is nothing bad, bt you see something bad with orisejafor getting a private jet rumoured to be from the government! Thats double standard.[/quote]Stop being presumptuous and too forward.

Firstly, I have neither said it what the Vatican is doing is bad, nor have I said it is not bad. I have simply left it open for the OP or any othey person with a similar disposition to tell me WHY it is bad if indeed it is, because that seems to be his opinion.

Secondly, how do you know I see something bad about Oritsejafor getting a private jet? Did I ever tell you that or you just find it convenient to be under the illusion that I said so?

So where is the double standard?

What is wrong with you?!

GospelRapper: "A kingdoom divided against it self cannot stand" Jesus Christ (2000yrs ago)

Tell that to those shops you call "churches."

We Catholics are not divided!

I'M still trying to understand what is BAD about that...

...Or is something BAD just because it was done by the Catholic Church?

frosbel: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." - James 5:16

This is referring to the confessing of our faults and weaknesses to fellow brethren , and praying for each other for forgiveness , which ONLY comes from GOD through Christ.

Exactly what we believe and exercise when we go to confession.

frosbel: Besides, it does not say confess to a priest , bishop or pope, it talks about confession between brothers in Christ.

The priests are our brothers in Christ...and they were empowered to forgive and retain sins in John 20:22,23 by the same JESUS CHRIST.

So take up your issues with Jesus.

I find it amusing and confusing that the same people who say "Catholics are not Christians" are the one crying "why did they leave the CHRISTIAN Association of Nigeria."

Shouldn't they be rejoicing?

@ Pictures.

The Catholic Church doesn't like the way CAN is being run and has suspended their activities with CAN. They are not being confrontational, they simply don't want to be a part of it at the national level for now.

What is your problem with that?

If you think CAN is okay the way it is, then why don't you ignore their decision and carry on with the other thousands of "churches" that are part of it?

In your depraved opinion.

@ OP,

Jesus ordained 12 men and 0 women.

The Catholic Church is only following her head.

The Word Among Us

Interesting story...and thanks for sharing. However, not everyone has to go through such rendezvous before they can be a true Christian (as some people might think).


[quote author=Mr_Anony]My aim of starting this thread is for Christians to share their stories of how they came to know Christ. It is not a thread for arguments, just one to share how we got saved, and perhaps we can move on to describe how we have been growing in Christ. I'll start with my story which by the way was inspired when a friend on this forum asked me to explain how I came to know Christ...............[/quote]I was born Catholic and became born-again when I was baptized as an infant. I got to know Christ in a very deep and pure way from what I was taught as a child by Priests, Catechists, Parents etc. Since then I (as St Paul urged) have been trying to work out my salvation with fear and trembling. I try to stay faithful to the teachings of Christ which I received and embraced at baptism. I try to improve my relationship with Christ through many devotions like attending mass, praying the rosary, visits to the Blessed Sacrament, reading Sacred Scripture, reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church etc. When I cut myself off the grace of God by my sins, I try to return to him by going to the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession) which Christ instituted in John 20:22,23. Through Holy Communion, I encounter Christ in a special and intimate way when I receive him (body, blood, soul and divinity). I hope to continue steadfastly in God's grace and love until when he calls me from this life...as my past journey won't matter if I fall away.

JeSoul: Gotta give it to the catholics though...they've refused to 'modernize' their beliefs in the face of plenty criticism.

Wassup Leadn?

Truth doesnt change. The same truths we proclaimed 2000 years ago...which we still proclaim now...are the same truths we will proclaim forever.

It's why the Martyrs shed their blood... Its why we face "plenty criticism."

mygirrl: Babylon is in either Iraq or Iran i'm not too sure, besides peter's ministry was concentrated in Jerusale. Paul was the one that spread the Gospel in Rome along with some other missionaries that went with him

...as far as you know...*smiles*

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