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seriallink: Poo!!

With all the gibberish you wrote up there, it's clear that you either lack reading comprehension skills or you a are very dishonest debater. Nonsense!!!

"Dishonest?" That word belongs to you, as any sane person can testify.

seriallink: You want to twist my words huh Mr. Twister? What is the difference between the bolded and what I wrote in my previous post?

Daftie! The difference is that you are implying that ALL who reject some Catholic teachings are hellbound. I'm saying ONLY those who KNOW that the Catholic faith is the true faith and REJECT it are condemned, not ALL.
What part of Nigeria are you from, let me post it in your local language.

seriallink: Smh!!! I won't waste my time replying your post again since you've resorted to your usual attitude of fighting over what you can't change! Going by the bolded part, it's glaring that sooner or later, Catholics like you will start calling other Christians infidels. Smh again and again!!!

You are the one fighting against what you can't change - The position of the Catholic Church and its doctrine. I am fighting against the error of protestantism which is constantly changing anyway.

seriallink: Being a dedicated Roman Catholic Church member doesn't guarantee your salvation. You have to work out your salvation yourself. Better start working on it now, don't say I didn't tell you!!

You are just manufacturing teachings that you wish the Catholic Church had, and debunking you fabricated teachings yourself. Tell that to your fellow protestants. You are the ones that say SOLA FIDE is sufficient, meaning all you have to do is have faith in Jesus (thereby becoming a member of what they call the church of Christ). You don't have to WORK out you salvation. Just accept Jesus as your personal Lord and saviour. It is the Catholic Church that holds firm and says you must WORK towards your salvation in addition to having faith. The Church possesses all the means for salvation through the sacraments but you have to use them to live and work out your faith. Now you are trying to force your false doctrine on us and accuse us of your crimes.

Shameless hypocrisy!

seriallink: ^^^^

@Italo,

So anyone who knowingly reject some Catholic teachings and doctrines because they are not scriptural is doomed? Smh!!! I wonder why those doctrines weren't written down in the scripture if they were truly inspired by the holy spirit!

This is what you resort to when you have no reasonable ground to stand on. You start to post like one who isn't even reading the posts you are arguing against. Let me try one more time, hoping your brain will be sharp enough to process my post accurately this time.

Anyone who knows that the Catholic faith is the true faith and rejects it will be condemned. Do you need an interpreter in your local dialect?

seriallink: Why would you say my accusation was a lie? Were you there when I was creating the thread? Did you know what pushed me into creating that thread? C'mon stop being childish!

There you go again, acting Mr Ibu. What has what you're saying got to do with what I'm saying.

You said most Catholic debaters say non-Catholics are hell bound. I say that is a LIE. Its been weeks and neither you nor your fellow anti-Catholics reading that thread and this one have been able to provide ONE SINGLE POST to back up your claim.

Don't you have any shame?

seriallink: So, you want to tell me that what your Catholic brother striktlymi posted weren't good enough for you? Oh, I guess that was because the facts he presented weren't uniform with your idea of 'The Holy Roman Catholic Church being the only true Church' huh? Well, that's understandable!!

As far as I know, he said Catholics believe the Catholic Church was the one true Church. So I don't get what the hell you're talking about.

seriallink: It seems Mr. Ube supported your idea which explains why you seconded his post. I have replied to his post and waiting for his response.

I'm not trying to force you leave your Church doctrines or anything. But you have to get the message and stop deluding youself that the 'Holy Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church'. By saying that, you've already condemned other denominations/Christians. Are you the righteous judge to know that Christ will pick only from your supposedly 'Only True Church'?

Lets leave it at that. I have made my point. Just know that anytime you say your Church is the 'only true church', you've already condemned other christians; meaning, you've already judged on behalf of the Almighty God!

Just like if you say Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, you have judged other religions on behalf of God abi?

The truth is the truth and some of us cannot refrain from telling it... Even though you decide to kill yourself because of it.

seriallink: How is my accusation a lie? Believe it or not, lots of Catholics have said that to me and other Christians I know of, time and time again.

If it were true, you would be able to provide at least ONE POST where a Catholic on nairaland said non-Catholics are hell-bound, as you alleged. It is a LIE!

seriallink: I asked you a simple question on that thread, but you never replied me. Like I said on that thread, there are only two sides to this issue of Church; it's either TRUE or FALSE, HEAVEN or HELL!!! So, when you say your 'Church is the only true Church', it means other denominations/Christians are fake and doomed, no?

Fake! Not necessarily doomed. I said only those who know the Catholic faith to be the true faith and reject it are condemned.

seriallink: So, my friend, your statements on this thread alone is a clear proof that you are saying other Churches/Christians are doomed, since you are in support of the idea that the 'HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH' is the only true Church!!!

Upon all the Ubenedictus wrote and I seconded, you're still stuck in this delusion. You want to force Catholic doctrine to change to what you wish it were...and you think you'll succeed? Go on...

seriallink: How is my accusation a lie? Believe it or not, lots of Catholics have said that to me and other Christians I know of, time and time again.

If it were true, you would be able to provide at least ONE POST where a Catholic on nairaland said non-Catholics are hell-bound, as you alleged. It is a LIE!

seriallink: I asked you a simple question on that thread, but you never replied me. Like I said on that thread, there are only two sides to this issue of Church; it's either TRUE or FALSE, HEAVEN or HELL!!! So, when you say your 'Church is the only true Church', it means other denominations/Christians are fake and doomed, no?

Fake! Not necessarily doomed. I said only those who know the Catholic faith to be the true faith and reject it are condemned.

seriallink: So, my friend, your statements on this thread alone is a clear proof that you are saying other Churches/Christians are doomed, since you are in support of the idea that the 'HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH' is the only true Church!!!

Upon all the Ubenedictus wrote and I seconded, you're still stuck in this delusion. You want to force Catholic doctrine to change to what you wish it were...and you think you'll succeed? Go on...

doubleDx: That is why there will be judgement before condemnation. Salvation is an individual thing like serial said. You don't have to get worked up because your Church is being crictised. Only God has the final say. Peace bro

I'm not worked up because the Church is being criticized, that's normal. Perhaps I'm worked up because of the hypocrisy on show. Jesus was worked up by hypocrisy too...read Matthew 23.

Besides, why did you not tell Chasy16 who said she was "phucking annoyed" not to get worked up?

Or Seriallink who said anger made him to open a thread...

Why am I the only one you are telling?

Isn't this another example of the hypocrisy I'm talking about?

Whatever happened to integrity among Nigerians?

Boomark: So if i first admit then you will second admit?

Get an English teacher.

Boomark: Do not mage image of any thing be it Mary, Jesus, lucifer etc and bow to it. You can't make images of people which aid you to worship God and tell God you made no image.

You can't worship your parents and tell God you worshipped no one else.

sylve11: Italo, since u said I aint ready to learn, are u ready to teach? I am not ready to use hard words on u,

I am ready to teach but you are not ready to learn. I am also not ready to use hard words on you.

sylve11: but this is what I want to tell u 'u don't have the right to say ur religion is the best why others aren't'.

Firstly I didn't say "best." I said "one true faith/church". Others may possess some measure of truth but it is only the Catholic faith that possesses the fullness of truth.

So I don't have a right to say the Catholic Church is the one true Church but anti-Catholics like Ijawkid have a right to say Catholics do not worship God, they worship idols, abi. Is it clear to you now that you are a hypocrite...or do you still doubt that and consider it as a harsh word?

My dear I have the right to say what I said.

sylve11: Can I ask u this? Have u been to heaven nor hell before?

You should be ashamed of asking me any question after avoiding my own questions.

sylve11: Beside u pointed that I am ignorant. . .sorry I decided to study a little further than what u read. And if u r ready to be a bit sensible on ur replies then I think I shall be ready to learn from ur gibberish posts. Till then u r one reason why Christianity still remain this way. 'No unity'.

...And what is the outcome of your study? Tell us what the Catholic Church says about the eternal fate of non-Catholics.

Am I the one that asked Martin Luther and the thousands of protestant "popes" to divide the flock of God?

chasy16: I agree with u. Italo is another sentimental thrash. Claiming catholic is the only true church is phucking annoying.

My dear, I know that it will be "phucking annoying" for a non-Catholic, but is it "phucking annoying" to you when anti-Catholics say that Catholics are idol worshippers (implying that they have the true faith and we are false)... Do you call them "sentimental thrash" or are you another hypocrite? Anyway, I'm not trying to tell you what is pleasing to your ears. What do you want to hear? That all the religions in this world are true religions of the Almighty God? That would be a lie. We Christians (majority of us) say Jesus is God; Muslims say Jesus is not God and only a prophet like Moses, Isaiah & Mohammed. Can they both be true? No! Catholics say there's purgatory, other christians say that is heresy from the pits of hell. Can they both be true? No. When Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, it would have been "phucking annoying" to those who weren't his followers. So my dear, I'm only interested in telling you what I know to be truth, whether it makes you "phucking annoyed" or not. The Catholic faith is the one true faith of the Almighty God. Take me to any court.

seriallink: I can't remember dodging any reasonable question(s) you've asked me anywhere on Nairaland!

I ignore some questions when my position is twisted in an argument. I don't usually respond to strawman questions from some of you, because that's what you do when you are losing a debate. Clutching at straws has always been a part of you! nothing new!!!

The most recent example: You accused most Catholics on nairaland of saying non-Catholics are hell-bound. I asked you to show us ONE SIGLE POST by a Catholic saying that. Till this day you are yet to either provide evidence or apologize for your slander.

What you do is... When you are faced with a question...and you know that answering that question honestly will expose the lies and holes in your theology, you start to dodge it and beat around the bush and declare it (on your own) "strawman question."

Enigma: Now to the point: the Church of Christ does not "contradict" itself.

Rather, organisations and denominations like the Roman Catholic Church, Koboko Ministry, Power Must Change Hands Ministry etc etc etc etc are the ones contradicting each other.

The members of the body of Christ may have different understandings of certain issues e.g. the Council of Jerusalem having to address some matters (and which still did not mean that different groups even at that time had uniform practices), Paul having to confront Peter, Paul himself facing charges of hypocrisy etc. Nevertheless, the body of Christ, the Church of Christ ---- remains united by the One Holy Spirit and by their One Lord. Simples.

Yes sir, I get you. 'The Holy Spirit and Lord inspires millions of denominations to teach millions of different doctrines. He also inspires anybody who disagrees with a doctrine on Saturday night to break off and form another so-called denomination on Sunday morning. The Holy Spirit inspires one denomination of the "body of Christ" to say "Jesus is God" and another denomination to say "Jesus is man."' Thank you Sir!

But Sir, on St. Paul's dispute with St. Peter. Don't you see how the body of Christ dealt with the issue in the unity of the council? Don't you see how St. Peter how St. Peter acted and spoke definitively as the head of the Church in the end - backed by St. James?

Give me an example of this kind of council in your so called 'two or three are gathered' church.

When have all the so-called denominations gathered in a council to thrash an issue with the head of the Church proclaiming definitively the way forward? The only place I see this happening is The Catholic Church.

Just one example Sir.

Enigma: Now to the point: the Church of Christ does not "contradict" itself.

Rather, organisations and denominations like the Roman Catholic Church, Koboko Ministry, Power Must Change Hands Ministry etc etc etc etc are the ones contradicting each other.

The members of the body of Christ may have different understandings of certain issues e.g. the Council of Jerusalem having to address some matters (and which still did not mean that different groups even at that time had uniform practices), Paul having to confront Peter, Paul himself facing charges of hypocrisy etc. Nevertheless, the body of Christ, the Church of Christ ---- remains united by the One Holy Spirit and by their One Lord. Simples.

Yes sir, I get you. 'The Holy Spirit and Lord inspires millions of denominations to teach millions of different doctrines. He also inspires anybody who disagrees with a doctrine on Saturday night to break off and form another so-called denomination on Sunday morning. The Holy Spirit inspires one denomination of the "body of Christ" to say "Jesus is God" and another denomination to say "Jesus is man."' Thank you Sir!

But Sir, on St. Paul's dispute with St. Peter. Don't you see how the body of Christ dealt with the issue in the unity of the council? Don't you see how St. Peter how St. Peter acted and spoke definitively as the head of the Church in the end - backed by St. James?

Give me an example of this kind of council in your so called 'two or three are gathered' church.

When have all the so-called denominations gathered in a council to thrash an issue with the head of the Church proclaiming definitively the way forward?

Just one example Sir.

sylve11: To ur 1st statement, anyother religion can quote same in making a point.

My friend, you said we shouldnt defend our faith, St. Peter said we should. You are in contradiction to the Bible and the Church, dear "Catholic Christian!"

sylve11: To ur 2nd statement, I wonder where u think the rest of the multitude who do not believe in Christ, who haven't heard about Him and who believe on their doctrine with practises that pleases the Almighty God will go (wether hell or heaven), na u come know then. And I think the pentecostals and her likes are all going to hell by ur assertion.

I thought you told Ubenedictus that you understood the Catholic faith. Why don't you read up The Church teaching on the fate of non-Catholics (believers and non-believers). It is not bad to be ignorant...but why don't you keep quiet about what you don't know and learn from those who do? No wonder you've been saying a load of not-so-sensible things about the faith...because you know next to nothing about the faith and you aren't willing to learn.

sylve11: To ur 3rd, the 2nd and 3rd are works in relativity.

There's no relativity there. Ours is the one true faith. So teaches the Catholic Church. Oh! I forgot that you haven't decided if you believe in the Church or not.

seriallink: The bolded makes me wonder if the Church being discussed is a cult or something?? Smh!!!

Is the question not supposed to be 'do you believe in God Almighty and the sacrifice of His son for your salvation?'. Why must it be about believing in a Church for salvation? What if the Church leaders erred? He should just follow in their footsteps like sheeple without asking questions?

Salvation is an individual thing and it comes only through believing in God and the sacrifice of His son for our sins and living the Christ-like life! Shikena!!!

Now, what is your business with the question I asked a fellow Catholic? Look at you making wahala over a question directed towards another person but if I ask you a question, you'll start dodging.

It is a simple question. I'm not saying he must believe the Church leaders even if he thinks they erred. He has a right NOT to believe in the Church, but he cannot believe in the Church and NOT believe in the Church at the same time. Just like one cannot believe in God and not believe in God at the same time.

My question to him was "do you believe in the Holy Catholic Church?"

The possible answers are: Yes, No, I don't know.

But of course, a hypocrite will not like to say clearly where he belongs.

@ Enigma,

Rather than 'nice' or 'rough', I'll rather play the daft student.

You have implied that God's Church contradicts itself. One part says "A" is truth...another part says "A" is heresy. Yet it is ONE TRUE CHURCH.

Yes sir!

sylve11: I never start with u, veins don dey pop out from ur head! If I may ponder upon ur above statement, then I have every reason to say religion is blind! And that's the reason the world is xperiencing no peace. Ur case is worse and it wouldn't worth my while discussing 'faith' with u. . . .may be other topics, but on this, nay! Ubentus is a better companion to reason logically with on matters like this. Bye bye o.

The reason that you cannot discuss "faith" with me is that you don't even know your faith to start with. You proclaim "I BELIEVE!" in your parish on Sunday morning (that is if at all you even go to Church), then you proclaim "I DONT BELIEVE!" on nairaland on Sunday afternoon.

The argument should not be between you and someone else but the argument should be within you. Between the Sylve11 that believes and the Sylve11 that doesn't believe.

Sort yourself out before you "start with me." Do you believe in the Holy Catholic Church... Or do you not?!

Enigma: You are creating unnecessary enmity and you are behaving like a child.

I don't see anything wrong in his warning me of your insincerity, especially since I already know of it from first-hand experience. Don't you remember when you quoted one line from St. Ignatius letter out of context, and I got you the whole chapter of that letter to show that Ignatius idea of the Catholic Church bears no semblance to the lie that you're telling. You suddenly didn't want to hear of St. Ignatius anymore.

Hypocrisy is difficult to deal with, my dear. Look what Jesus had to say to your understudies, the Pharisees in Matthew 23. I imagine if he's not saying worse to you than whatever Chukwudi says.

Enigma: I can only pray that one day you will come to understand and realise the kind of motive, logic and philosophy that necessitate challenging the falsehoods being spread about the contribution of the Roman Catholic Church.

But you don't pray that one day we will come to understand and realise the falsehood you are spreading, abi? You would consider that an "insult."

Enigma: What is more, I will pray that your eyes, heart and mind become open to see that your commitment should be to Christ rather than to any particular organisation.

Be it far from me that I should be committed to Christ and unconcerned with his body, The Catholic Church. What sort of fake commitment would that be?

sylve11: Ur questions are childish ones again, I am a free thinker and those questions are not meant for me. I can give u over 100 questions that u won't even dare answer, bt no I am not gonna ask u cos for u to believe all the teachings u receive from catholic church without asking questions, then who am I to ask u questions? Being a catholic doesn't mean one doesn't have right to ask his faith/doctrines questions. For if u wanna engage in an argument, its better u teach, and thence arise questions, and thence arise arguments and thence arise knowledge; thence all things been equal, ur audience/students shall remain grateful to u.

So your question and Ijawkid's questions are mature questions deserving answers but Italo's questions are childish and not deserving answers.

My friend you are not a Catholic but a hypocrite - and I don't mean that as an insult, only a perfect description of you... And I have more evidence:

For you to claim to be a "Catholic" and not believe the Catholic Church on some issues means that you go to Church on Sundays and open your mouth and say: "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH", meanwhile, you don't. That is hypocrisy!

sylve11: All I am saying is don't defend ur religion and believes,

1Pet 3:15 "...But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have..."

You seem not to be on the same page with St. Peter, the one who has the keys to the kingdom of God.

sylve11: and don't believe that ur believes are better believes to another man's believe.

It is not just "better." It is the only true faith. There is no way to polish that and make it sound pleasing to their ears. Truth is truth and we must proclaim it.

sylve11: U and Italo are guys I respect so much, not because we are members of the same faith, but because u have contributed meaning fully to religion's section of nairaland.com.

Thank you.

Enigma: The real one true Church founded by Christ which is the catholic Church has members in the Anglican Church, the Lutheran Church, the Baptist Church, the Evangelical Church the Pentecostal Church etc etc and even includes people who do not belong to any denomination.

What you are saying is that the ONE true Church of Christ teaches millions of different doctrines. One might say 'it is right to have gay bishops,' while the other says 'it is wrong.' One might say 'Holy Communion is Jesus,' while the other says 'it's just biscuit...or wafer.' 'One might say 'Jesus is God,' while the other says 'he was only a man.'

It is obvious the "real one true Church" cannot have millions of false doctrines in it.

1 Tim 3:15: "The Church...is the pillar and foundation of truth."

Enigma: The real one true Church founded by Christ is even found where just two or three are gathered in Jesus' name.

A joke at best.

@ Enigma,

The Catholic Church is not a "denomination" of the Church. It is the one true Church that was founded by Christ.

sylve11: Italo I dey shame for u. Ijawkid just finished u and all u could do's constant repetition of words. Sorry to say, I am catholic and same time a christian, but when matters like 'Catholics worship Idols surfaces, I keep quiet and never speak a word'. If u can answer some of ijawkid's questions, then this whole protestant vs catholic would have been over. As a catholic, I don't support the idea of bowing down to Mary whom I don't even know her looks; the rest of my brethren can crucify me for saying this but I don't care. If the bible was compiled by catholic, then where's it in the bible we should bow before Mary's image? Ijawkid made valid points even though I don't take side with his doctrine. Ur questions are annoying. If Ijawkid and the rest of the protestant or pentecostal bow to worship their bible, that is their own cup of tea. Infact the way Christianity is going now, I don't truly _stand who are the true Christians anymore. God of the heavens and Christ Your Son I believe in. Private jets flying all around in the name of Christ.; as for who came 1st or 2nd is non of ma business, my only question is ' what is happening to Christianity as a body' or religion? *sad*

Experience has taught me that you cannot have a reasonable exchange with Ijawkid and Boomark, that's why I'm using their tactic of repetitive baseless accusations against them.

If you want a reasonable argument to thrash the issue, why not take the bull by the horn. Let's discuss it. I'll answer the question you have asked and ask my own questions.

Ans - Nowhere does the Bible say we should bow before Mary's image.

Qstn 1 - does that make it wrong, because it is not explicitly stated in the Bible?

Qstn 2 - do you really think that answering Ijawkid's questions will end Protestant against Catholic attacks, because I've answered them dozens of times on nairaland and the attacks have not ended.

Qstn 3 - are you saying we can only bow to one who we have seeing one-on-one? That would exclude Jesus too.

Qstn 4 - are you sure you are a Catholic? - when you don't even seem to know what the Catholic Church is.

Qstn 5 - since you say you are a Catholic... Have you ever worshipped Mary or any other being but God?

Qstn 6 - in all your years of going to Catholic Church, do you know anybody (including family and friends) who worships Mary or any other being but God?

Please answer my questions since you were the one advising me to answer Ijawkid's questions. Lead by example.

ijawkid: You even said I worship my bed abi??.......smh!!!!!!.........I thank God Jesus also slept on some kinda bed,maybe he too worshipped the material he slept on......

The Bible doesn't tell us that Jesus knelt to his bed and worshipped it. Why do you do it? It is YOU that has said many times that anything that Jesus did not do or command in the Bible is a sin, not me.

ijawkid: Let me tell you....if the apostles were alive today they'll evangelize via the internet...its a means of communication...I thought your olodo brain must have taught you that.......

The apostles used all means of communication existing back then in the 1st century to foster the goodnews..........was it through writing??....was it through messengers??...name it.......

You have never talked about what the apostles would have done if they were still alive before. All you normally say is "where is it in the Bible." So why does it now matter what the apostles would have done if they were here today? Is it now acceptable to do what the apostles didn't do in the Bible? Suddenly?

ijawkid: Ube when did I ever tell you I kneel before the scriptures when I read them.......have you guys got some eye problems??.........

I don't bow down to the scriptures when I read them...........

Are you not a Jehovah's Witness? You people bow to your Bible and worship it, offering prayers to it. I've seen it happen when Jehovah's Witnesses came to preach to me at home.

Besides, what you say doesn't matter. Its the conclusions I draw up from what I have observed that matters to me... Just like you come up with your own conclusions about me regardless of what I say.

ijawkid: I don't bow down to my android tablet when I open the scriptures to read from it neither do I bow down to the book(Gods word).....

You worship the Bible.

ijawkid: Direct this your allegations to people who see Gods word(the scriptures) as a tallisman rather than a book filled with important informations for our consumption.........direct your questions to persons who put there bibles in front of there cars, and under there pillows thinking it will save them from danger.....direct your questions to persons who bow down and pray to there bibles......

Because the person(ijawkid) you are discussing with does not engage in such jejune acts........all I do is read Gods word like Jesus and the apostles did and apply what I read..............

What you say is worthless. What you read and kneel to and worship is an adulterated bible. A distortion of God's word which was done by men.

ijawkid: If you are looking for idolaters that will sympathize with you guys,quietly go look for the roman pagans whom you sprang out from or you can go look for buddhists......y'all have so much in common.......

Don't look for ijawkid.......I'm not an idol worshipper.......

I'm not looking for idol worshippers to sympathize with me. I'm admonishing the idol worshipper who is bent on forcing his heretical ways on others.

Afterall, to you, even Jesus himself is an idol, because we worship him as God while you Jehovah's Witnesses say he was only a man...like me and you and Osama Bin Laden.

Boomark: If i stop kneeling before the bible will you stop worshipping idol?

I don't worship idol, so whether you stop worshipping the Bible and your parents or not, it has no bearing on me and my salvation.

Besides, you will have to first admit that you have been worshipping the Bible, your parents and your bed etc before you can tell me that you have stopped it. You can't stop doing what you were not doing.

ijawkid: Your question is useless.......

I want you to define what the word ""bible" means...........

Since you are finding persons who will sympathize with you in your idolatrous acts I know you would join italo in asking irrelevant questions.........

Did Jesus read from the scriptures or not??.....you are there asking me if the word bible is in the bible....meanwhile your presumpteous colleague just said I pray to the bible.....make him come show me when I bow down to bible and then praying to it.......

Definintion of the word ""bible""....

Bi·ble
[bahy-buh l]

-n.
1. the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising the Old and New Testaments.
2. the collection of sacred writings of the Jewish religion: known to Christians as the Old Testament.
3. the sacred writings of any religion.
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Like I said if the word ""bible"" is your problem,I'm ready to stick to words like scrolls and scriptures..........

All I wanted from you guys is show me from the scrolls were any normal sane christian or Jew worshipped mary and prayed through her and also used prayer beads........

Why are you now talking about scrolls and scripture. I taught you didn't accept anything that is not in your adulterated Jehovah's Witness "bible". Don't you know that there are writings in scrolls that are not in your bible?

You show me from the scrolls where any normal sane Jew or Christian worshipped a Bible or Parents or Bed. Show me where a normal sane Jew or Christian evangelized on the internet like you are doing now.

ijawkid: I can't remember when I ever said to my parents....."" HOLY PARENTS please pray for us(me and my siblings) sinners"" Or to the scriptures ""holy bible please pray for us sinners""

.........those are the Exact words you say to a deÀd mary and to the image of a white woman thinking its mary........
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If till this moment you still can't understand that you are an idolater,then you need serious help.........

You reverence your parents and they pray for you. You kneel to the Bible and pray to it. You even kneel to your bed (a work of a furniture maker) and pray to it. It's not a must you use our words. You use your own words to worship your parents, bed and Bible.

If till this moment you still can't understand that you are an idolater,then you need serious help.........

truthislight: if italio is half as reasonable as you and logical as you and rational as you it will have been more of a sensible thing dicussing with him. But no!

He will not.

I'm only trying to imitate you anti-Catholics. So if I'm being unreasonable, you know where the problem lies.

truthislight: Just see how you opened up what he had found impossible to comprehend all this while.

scriptures as oppose to bible.

If you had not stepped in he will have continued with the "Jesus did not read bible" retort.

Jesus did not read the Bible! He didn't kneel to it and pray to it. But you do. Isn't that idolatry?

ijawkid: So the word ""bible "" is your problem??uh??....

That is why I have resorted to using the word ""scrolls""............

Jesus read from a written script,scroll or whatever the prophets wrote on........

And I am trying to prove to your fellow idolaters that Jesus read from a written document or scroll, and so by italo's conclusion Jesus worshipped the scrolls he was given at the temple just because he read from it................

I simply told him(italo) that all I do is read the scriptures,but he(italo) insisted I worship and pray to the scriptures...........

Let him show me an image of one who prays to the bible......



Then I'll bring out photos of how you guys worship mary,bow down to her image and recite words of devotion to her........and also how you use prayer beads.....

Running away from a glaring fact that you guys are idolaters baffles me........

My friend. It doesn't matter how many words you use to bamboozle yourself.

Jesus never mentioned the word "Bible." Jesus never read the Bible. Jesus never knelt to a Bible and prayed to it.

Yet you do all these things. You reverence your parents and have them pray for you. You are allowing all these things to take the place of the almighty God. That is idolatry. Quit it...its a freeway to hell.

Boomark: Don't you see italo is being childish by repeating "stop worshipping your bible" everywhere? Is it because you Guys don't read your bible then other wount read. Don't you know the apostles encouraged reading and meditating on the word of God written in the bible?

The Apostles never even mentioned the word "Bible." They never knelt to it and prayed to it. Stop lying and stop idolatry.

Jesus never mentioned the word "Bible."

Jesus never said "where is it in the Bible?"

Jesus never read the Bible.

Jesus never knelt to the Bible.

Jesus never prayed to the Bible.

Yet these are things you do.

ijawkid: Jesus read from the scriptures.......

Keep decieving yourself that Jesus didn't read from the scriptures............

Jesus showed by example that we should read from Gods laws......

Something you and your colleagues fail to do,rather you let pagans be the masters you imitate...............

Mr man, flee from idolatry. Jesus never mentioned the word "Bible" let alone worship it.

I repeat: Jesus never read the Bible! He never even mentioned the word "Bible"! He never knelt to the Bible and prayed to it as you do.

You can use many words to twist it but it doesn't matter one bit.

Stop doing what Jesus didn't do. Stop doing what Jesus didn't command you to do.

Stop the idolatry!