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The apostles sinned, but so-called born-again never sin. Meaning, as a Christian, you've never asked God for forgiveness; meanwhile when the disciples said "Lord, teach us to pray", Jesus said "forgive us our sins".

Do you say this prayer?

If you do, what sins are you talking about?

That's why they can neither say YES or NO. They just a bunch of LIARS. Wolves in sheep clothing. Hypocrites!

I don't know what you mean by we.

I don't know what YOU eat.

We CATHOLICS eat the actual body and drink the actual blood of Christ at Mass.

One moment Joagbaje,

We Catholics believe the doctrine of the Church is perfect.

Spare us the benefit of the doubt.

Oh! On with the confusion then.

You haven't named any names. Practise what you preach. Or is it that you know your name should be the first on the list?

@plappville, but you also condemned catholicism because of the actions of a few bad priests some time ago. Why are you now complaining?

I hope you experience God's one church in your lifetime. I hope eat the flesh of Christ and drink his blood so that you will have life. I hope you don't just die 'wondering'.

How do you know he's a christian? I've been asking you a simple question for 8days now: "since you became born-again, have you sinned? You dont know what to answer, but you know how to answer a question meant for another person.

Okay, since you can see that he is a christian (I don't know if you read his mind), answer this for him:

Since he became a christian, has he committed a sin?

Thanks be to God! So aletheia has finally agreed that salvation is obtained by faith+works. Or has he?

@eben 2, since the day you became born-again, have you committed a sin? YES or NO!

I asked you a question, Mr. A simple one at that.

Ah! I thought I'm the only one she runs away from.

OLAADEGBU:
Ruined by the Bottle
Proverbs 21:16-31

"He that loves pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loves wine and oil shall not be rich." -- Proverbs 21:17

Stay alive, keep off the bottle!

So is it also a sin to engage in all forms of pleasure? Including sports, sex with your spouse, eating, singing, etc?

Sugar can be detrimental to the body, fat can be detrimental to the body, alcohol can also be detrimental to the body.

But all these things only become bad when taken too much; when taken in moderation, they can be good for the body.

Research has proved that taking red wine in moderation can reduce the risk of coronary heart disease.

@zikkyy, I dey ur back gidigba!

To tell the truth, as a christian, I am ashamed of both of you. @eben 2, when I asked if you were born again, you said yes. All of a sudden, you can't say yes or no because I won't understand or be satisfied. You are the kind of people that drag christianity in the mud, so fraudulent. You're telling me to come to Jesus but you can't be honest enough to answer this simple question.

If I didn't know Jesus and you were trying to convert me, and I read the bible and saw where Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, and I see that there's no truth in you, what kind of example would you be setting. That's why they ridicule christians that we preach one thing and practise the opposite. You are good examples of that. You preach honesty but you're full of deceit.

Since you became born-again, have you sinned?

plappville:
What a surprising question from a believer!? As a christian u should know that the scriptures made us sons/daughters of God. See verses below,

1) John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2)Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.
3)Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus
Yes i know Jesus said that;
As for your request, i am sorry, i can't put my email in public.
U can give me urs if u don't mind, i will surely mail u if u.

Whether its a surprising question or not, the answer should be very simple: YES or NO!

OLAADEGBU:
But who, according to you had genuine faith?

the one who did a 'WORK'. the farmer who "gave out". do you disagree?

OLAADEGBU:
That is not a sign that has saving faith in Christ. You have to look out for the kind of fruit and truth he shows.

Pls stop this! We are not talking about 'saving faith', we are talking about 'faith' and 'works' in relation to justification.

You are so fond of dodging issues when the truth stares you in the face. Why can't you answer the question honestly.

Can a man who casts out demons, work many miracles and prophecy in Jesus' name be said NOT to have faith?

OLAADEGBU:
These are works of the human spirit. Anyone can invent good works which are all products of natural effort but not of the fruit of the Spirit of God revealed in Scripture. The atheists' efforts comes from the human spirit and does not justify him before God.

So you admit that not all good works proceed from faith as tpia@ said. Thanks be to God!

@eben 2

Aletheia and i are not having a discussion. You ask him a question, he doesn't give a satisfactory answer, he asks you 10 back. How can you make head-way like that?

What simple truth are you trying to make me believe? I ask because I'm not sure you even know my position.

And you who talks about simple truth, maybe you should start by telling me the simple truth on the question I asked you since last week in the other thread - which you have refused to answer?

Since the day you became born-again, have you committed any sin? YES or NO!

OLAADEGBU:
But who, according to you had genuine faith?

the one who did a 'WORK'. the farmer who "gave out". do you disagree?

OLAADEGBU:
That is not a sign that has saving faith in Christ. You have to look out for the kind of fruit and truth he shows.

Pls stop this! We are not talking about 'saving faith', we are talking about 'faith' and 'works' in relation to justification.

You are so fond of dodging issues when the truth stares you in the face. Why can't you answer the question honestly.

Can a man who casts out demons, work many miracles and prophecy in Jesus' name be said NOT to have faith?

OLAADEGBU:
These are works of the human spirit. Anyone can invent good works which are all products of natural effort but not of the fruit of the Spirit of God revealed in Scripture. The atheists' efforts comes from the human spirit and does not justify him before God.

So you admit that not all good works proceed from faith as tpia@ said. Thanks be to God!

@eben 2 & plappville,

With all due respect, I'm not asking you what the bible says or how a born-again should conduct himself or herself. I'm asking each of you a direct personal question:

Have you eben 2/plappville committed any sin since the day you became born again? YES or NO!

Why is it so difficult to answer?

You can open another thread about Jesus' kingship, let us focus on the wine Jesus drank. The one that made people call him "drunkard" and the "sour wine" he drank on the cross.

What kind of christian can't admit a simple truth?

@kodewrita, pls read Matthew 12:32
"And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come."

Does this not show that, for some other sins, one can be forgiven in the world to come?

free123:
If u are born of God you cannot sin, for His seed is in you. Anyone who sins is of the devil. Copy that? - Good

are you born of God?

plappville:
Luke 11:27-30(KJV)
27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
How will u now interpret Jesus reaction towards the woman? Blessing Mary with your heart could ve been enough, the contradiction is the image and the bowing down.

I am not sure if calling her a mother has means sense though. The bible says we should "call no man father?"

lol, have you forgotten Jesus said to John, "behold your mother"? do u think Jesus doesnt want us to even call our biological fathers 'father'?

can i get ur contact plappville?

email or bbm. i'd rili like to talk to you one on one

@plappville, did you actually remove that thread? Pls tell me I'm wrong. That would be very shameful.

plappville:
If i tell u i ve commited or ve not commited will u trust me, u ve already labelled me a liar in the other thread so why do u want me to tell u if i commited sin or not? Is it important!

the reason is that  you claim that a born-again does not sin, so i am asking you as a born-again if you have sinned since you became born-again so that i can actually have one example of a human being who doesnt sin. it will help me to know if you actually meant what you said or you were just joking.

why dont you just answer yes or no. see how we are already derailing this wonderful thread.

my sweetheart, just a yes or a no, *kisses n hugs*

But "ye of little faith" is what Jesus said to Peter when he almost sank. He didn't say 'ye of no faith'.

One who has faith can still fall short of God's moral standard.

@plappville, hav u committed a sin since you became born-again? Pls answer! *in the appropriate thread*

And why are you avoiding the question I asked you in another thread since last week? That's how you anti-Catholics always behave. You act as if you know what you're saying and then when you are proved wrong, instead of admitting you are wrong and come out to light, you run away from the discussion and start a new deception.

Please answer this question:

From your definition of 'worship', when a man kneels in front of his Lady and says or sings anything to her, he is worshipping her. Interesting!

Or when one kneels before a pastor and says anything to him, the Pastor is being worshipped.

Right?