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[quote author=i.chuka]Some say He's the son of David,He categorically denied it...Matt22:42-46.
Others calls Mary and her Children His Mother and Brothers,He "rebuked" them instantly.......Matt12:48-50.
And you a non-Christain is here calling Mary her Mother.
God is not an author of confusion...1Cor14:33.
You and your cohorts are the confused bunch.
The biblical Mary is not a catholic period!
The woman you guys worship/honor is a demon(one of the principalities in high places)...Jer7:18,Rev18:7.[/quote]1. Jesus did not "categorically deny" being the son of David
2. Jesus did not "rebuke" those who called Mary his Mother
3. We are not the "confused" bunch. We've been teaching the same thing for 2000yrs. Its you guys that preach different things from one shop to another.
4. How do you know that is the woman we "worship/honour"? Have you worshipped her before? Are you in our minds?

I, For one, call my mother "baby". Does that mean she's not my mother?

I know men who never refer to their wives by the word "wife". They say "mama xyz" or "mama abc". Does that mean they are not their wives? Likewise some women only call their husbands "chief", does that mean they aren't their husbands?

I can't remember Jesus calling his disciples "disciples". He called them "brothers", "friends" etc. Does it mean they were not his disciples?

Jesus calling his mother "woman" doesn't prove that she's not his mother. But the angel calling her his mother proves that she's his mother.

To answer your question directly: of course Jesus was speaking the mind of God when he called his mother "woman". But that does not mean that she's not his mother.

Now can you answer me? Under whose inspiration did John and the angel write and speak? Still unanswerable?

[quote author=i.chuka]you will never understand.confess Jesus as your Lord and Saviour,then His Spirit will dwell in you and your Bat eyes will be open......Luke24:31.[/quote]Sir, the question remains: under whose inspiration was John writing when he referred to Mary as Jesus' mother?

Thank you!

You'd rather die than answer that, right?

Lmao!

The question is impossible to answer, isn't it? It will expose you as a bare-faced liar. Lol.

[quote author=i.chuka]Why are you trying so hard to shift the Goal post?
Jesus never call her "Mother". you are here calling her His Mother.
Have you ever heard of someone,that seek the consent of his/her parent

Sir, the question is: under whose inspiration was John writing when he referred to Mary as Jesus' mother?

Thank youto be born?....Luke1:28-38.[/quote]Sir, the question is: under whose inspiration was John writing when he referred to Mary as Jesus' mother?

Thank you

[quote author=i.chuka]How do you refer to your mum?do you call her Woman or Mother?
If Mary is the Mother of Jesus,why would He refer to her as Woman through out in the Gospel?
I reaffirm "GOD HAS NO Mother".
If your God has a Mother,then you are not a Christain Period!![/quote]Sir, the question is: under whose inspiration was John writing when he referred to Mary as Jesus' mother?

Thank you

chinedumo: Jesus handed his mother over to someone he love and trusted. it is not proof that Mary did not have other children

What are we saying and what are you saying? When you people are proved wrong, instead of admitting that you're wrong and retracing your steps back to the truth, you start behaving like lunatics.

Your fellow anti-Catholic here said Mary was not the Mother of Jesus. Chukwudi showed him where Elizabeth referred to Mary as "mother of my Lord", he mischieviously twisted it, saying she wasn't speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Then I showed him where John (writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit) referred to Mary as Jesus' Mother. Then you jump in, and what do you do? You try to confuse the situation by talking about an entirely different thing. Why don't you at least admit that he's wrong and we are right before you start confusing yourself

[quote author=i.chuka]if you can discern words spoken by the Holy Spirit and one by the human spirit,you have no business been a Christain.
GOD had no Mother Period!!![/quote]Under whose inspiration was John writing this: (John 19:26) 'When Jesus saw his MOTHER there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman,[b] here is your son,”'

Tell us it was not under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that John refers to Mary as 'his mother'.

Johnnie ZM: Guy open your eyes and see the abomination of desolation that Daniel prophesy and Jesus referred to happening in the Catholic Church already....you never answered my question, I asked you if Jesus told you to bow to the communion! You think you are making sense? You are not, I just thought is fruitless taking you on on that topic cause you are just as confused as a thick forest!

But I told you I'll answer you when you give me a Bible verse where Jesus says "don't bow to my body (communion)". So if you truly want my answer, you know what to do. Don't you want to nail me? Then give me an answer and I will have no other escape route. Or is the question a senseless one like the one you asked?

Lmao. Mister man, go and wash ur clothes if you have nothing meaninful to say!

[quote author=i.chuka]Ye do ERR, 1,not knowing the scriptures,2,nor the power of God....Matt22:29.
I counsel you to study the Bible with your spirit.[/quote]Rubbish. I trust you can make a more sensible comment. Or does 'anti-Catholicism' come with diminishing mental capacity?

OLAADEGBU: It depends on what symbol you are talking about. Our Lord Jesus Christ is no more crucified on the Cross, He died, was buried, rose for the dead, ascended and sitted on the right hand of the Father in heavenly places. We are not meant to worship any graven image, even the image of Jesus on the Cross but if you compromise with a President who wants the name of Jesus Christ to be covered up because he wants to give a speech then that is hypocrisy of the highest order. Watch this videoclip to see how this man has been playing on the intelligence of Americans.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGkaXwXDY0

You're the hypocrite here. Why don't you tell us what "symbols" were covered. It was you who first mentioned it afterall... Did they cover the name of Jesus? What was covered, Mr 'see white and call it black'.

@Johnnie ZM,

Is that the easy way to run away from the discussion? I thought you were the one that invited me to take you on on any topic, that you were ready for me. Now that I've shown you that communion is Jesus-God's body and I can bow to it, you bail out with your tail between your legs.

Sometimes I wonder, in your so-called 21yrs in the Catholic Church, did you worship any image? If so tell us which image. Tell us what you said to the image. Did you worship Mary, Peter, Paul and all the other saints? What did you say to them? Who told you to worship them? Your priest, catechist or your parents? Or did you just worship them because everything you were taught by all of them never stayed in your brain, hence your doing the exact opposite of what you were taught?

@I.chuka, this just goes to show how dubious you are. Of course, I'm not surprised. Light and dark cannot mix, so anyone who tries to counter Catholic teachings must resort to terrible distortions like this. I'd like to see all your fellow anti-Catholics defend this; where are they now?

LUKE 1
41 Now it happened that as soon as Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child leapt in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
42 She gave a loud cry and said, 'Of all women you are the most blessed, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
43 Why should I be honoured with a visit from the mother of my Lord?
44 Look, the moment your greeting reached my ears, the child in my womb leapt for joy.
45 Yes, blessed is she who believed that the promise made her by the Lord would be fulfilled.'

How one can claim to love and worship the Almighty God and then discredit the role of His Mother... It just amazes me!

OLAADEGBU: Do I need to remind you of their compromise to cover up Christian symbols because Obama was to give a speech?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/04/16/white-house-asked-georgetown-to-cover-christian-symbols-for-obam/

You always said Catholis symbols are "demonic". The moment they covered them you declared them "christian". No greater hypocrite have I seen in my life!

Johnnie ZM: Emotions not even a sensible answer to my question. The question is did Jesus instruct us to BOW to the communion? Answer with biblical refrences.

So since communion is Jesus-God's' "body", I will bow to it, lie prostrate before it and adore it.

I can't believe a 36year old is asking me to show him where the Bible said "you can bow to Jesus' body". No wonder you left the Catholic Church. With these level of reasoning its obvious you never knew a thing in the Church.

But I will still show you the Bible references if you show me where the Bible said "don't bow to Jesus-God's body.

Johnnie ZM: What's with Catholics self? Everything about the Catholics is ceremony.....worshipping the creature rather than the Creator! Now when Jesus said the Holy Communion is his body which we eat in faith did he told us to bow to the unleavened bread or the wafer as case may be? Guy Catholicsm is rooted in Roman Paganistic Idolatry! God save you all and I thank you God saving me from Cathocism because it easier to convert 10 unbelievers than 1 Catholic!

Jesus "took the bread...and said 'this is my body'" [Luke 22:19]

Johnnie ZM says 'this is still bread'

We Catholics still choose to listen to Jesus. Sorry.

Johnnie ZM: Non actually! But it should not be bow to because it is not the real body of Christ! It only symbolises it and it's in remembrance of him! Not to be bowed to.

Jesus said "this is my body...this is my blood"

Johnnie ZM says 'this is a symbol his body...this is a symbol of his blood'

We Catholics choose to listen to Jesus, not you. Sorry about that!

@ DECOtech,

I thought your next post would be to answer my question: is it a sin if its not written plainly in the Bible?

@ olaadegu,

Sorry to digress o, but you've said in the past that The Catholic Church is demonic and Obama is a satanist. But we are all aware, I suppose on Obama's war on the Catholic Church which has put him on a collission with US Catholic bishops on several issues like abortion, contraception, gay marriage etc. This has even led to the closure of some Catholic health care centres as they have refused to offer these to their patients. My question is (just like Jesus asked those who accused him of using the power of beelzebub):

HOW CAN THE DEVIL FIGHT AGAINST HIMSELF?

DECOtech: Aarrrgh!!! ...u don talk d one wey touch me!
Pastors owning airlines are the same as Reverend Fathers owning schools and universities oh!

My question is, should we say that they are sinning because what they are doing is not written plainly in the Bible?

Kamsy10: So if u believe in fasting.do u fast all year round? Dummy!!!!!

More than a dummy. Even a dummy would boast about being better than that person.

@ frosbel,

You quoted Exodus 12:5-7 & 12,13 but how is it that you left out verses 8, 9, 10 & 11.

Exodus 12:8-11 says "That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire—with the head, legs and internal organs. Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover."

You must eat the spotless lamb for his blood to be efficacious in your life.

Verses 14-20: 14 “This is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to the LORD—a lasting ordinance. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.

 17 “Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread, because it was on this very day that I brought your divisions out of Egypt. Celebrate this day as a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. 18 In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day. 19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And anyone, whether foreigner or native-born, who eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel. 20 Eat nothing made with yeast. Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread.”

John 6:51-56 says

51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

 52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

 53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

Luke 22:7,8,14-20:

 7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover.”
 14 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”

 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

You must eat the bread which is Jesus body and drink his blood to have life in you. That is "The LORD'S passover".

Which "lamb" did Jesus and his apostles "sacrifice" (verse 7)? - Himself.

And just as Moses told the Israelites to commemorate it for generations to come as a "lasting ordinance", Jesus says to us, "do this in remembrance of me".

HOLY COMMUNION!

BLESSED SACRAMENT!

EUCHARIST!

joe4christ: Must you have to twist the scripture to suit yourself?
From the above scripture of matt 12:32 could u pls show me where Jesus said the anyone who sinned against the holy spirit could only be forgiven in purgatory? Or are you so spiritually blind that you can no longer see meaning into scriptural truth?

Or have'nt you read that it is appointed unto a man to die once and after that Judgement - HEBREWS 9:27.
So where does forgiveness comes after judgement?

Is that what the book of revelation entails?

Perhaps what you need more are a pair of glasses and a dictionary, not a Bible. With the dictionary, look up the meaning of 'twist', then with your glasses, read my post again and tell me (and everyone) where I said "anyone who sins against the Holy Spirit could only be forgiven in purgatory".

If Jesus said "no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven, either in this world or in the next", does that not show that for some other sins, people will be forgiven, either in this world or in the next?

So I say again: the Catholic Church calls that place "purgatory".

What do you call that place in the world to come where people will be forgiven of those other sins?

I guess it is simple enough for you to understand it now because even the flowers in my sitting room are beginning to understand it.

oluomad: that is his own personal investment, do u mean that pastors shouldnt have their investments, oh!! What a Jealous dude...

I think I provd dat eatin of meats should be done anytym, even n gud fridays, check, 1thim2vs3... Shw m whr in d bibl whr t says dat u shudnt eat meat n Fridays..thnx

You can call me jealous or crazy, it doesn't mean I am. Neither does it have anything to do with what we are saying here. I didn't say a pastor can't have investment. I said show me where the Bible says that a pastor can own an airline, since you believe that Christians should only practise what is in the Bible and anything not written there is a sin.

1 Tim 2:3 doesn't even mention the word "meat" or say anything about eating, perhaps someone needs glasses.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where the Bible says pastors can own airlines if you want me to show you where the Bible says "don't eat meat on Good Friday"

oluomad: italo and d quoter, do u knw dat d bibl says we shudnt add nor substract anytn 4m d word of God?? Y then do u say dat all thns are nt writen there

It wasn't me who said 'all things are not written there', it was St. John. Read:

John 21:25 "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."

And John 20:31,32 "Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe[b] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

You should spend more time with your optician rather than on nairaland attacking Catholics.

goshen360: Sir, why are you taking my words out of context. I don't like sir.



My statement in Red stated I acknowledged the true church while my statement in green acknowledged my fact that RCCG is a good example of the true church as it relates to successor which the founder of RCCG acted according to the true church based on the word of God. Can you spot the difference sir?

Okay I now under that you meant The founder of RCCG acted according to the word of God (in your opinion) in choosing his successor, Sorry. But you are the cause of the confusion.

When you say "RCCG is a good example of the true church", you must realize that that statement doesn't make sense (don't mean to be rude). "The true Church" can only be ONE, so there cannot be an example of it. For example: the most populous nation in Africa is Nigeria. So you cannot say "an example of the most populous nation in Africa is (Nigeria or any other nation). It wouldn't make sense. It is Nigeria! Nothiing else. No examples. So also, "the true much" means you know there's only ONE true Church. It is either RCCG or some other church. No examples.

You see it's not my fault that I couldn't make sense of even the rest of your post.

chookudi:

I'm Catholic. I'm with you. You just have to understand my post.

goshen360: Sir, why are you taking my words out of context. I don't like sir.



My statement in Red stated I acknowledged the true church while my statement in green acknowledged my fact that RCCG is a good example of the true church as it relates to successor which the founder of RCCG acted according to the true church based on the word of God. Can you spot the difference sir?

Okay I now under that you meant The founder of RCCG acted according to the word of God (in your opinion) in choosing his successor, Sorry. But you are the cause of the confusion.

When you say "RCCG is a good example of the true church", you must realize that that statement doesn't make sense (don't mean to be rude). "The true Church" can only be ONE, so there cannot be an example of it. For example: the most populous nation in Africa is Nigeria. So you cannot say "an example of the most populous nation in Africa is (Nigeria or any other nation). It wouldn't make sense. It is Nigeria! Nothiing else. No examples. So also, "the true much" means you know there's only ONE true Church. It is either RCCG or some other church. No examples.

You see it's not my fault that I couldn't make sense of even the rest of your post.

liet4u: so after esther u dont abstain again

If you like you can abstain from the day you are born until you die, nobody will stop you. Neither would it be a sin.

Afterall most of you against abstinence from meat, I'm sure, have never eaten snakes and frogs. That is also abstinence for your whole lives. Afterall God said we can eat everything. And you can easily kill a frog and eat.

If it were Catholics who said "don't eat frogs and snakes", you people would start to say we are practising things not in the Bible.

goshen360: Bolded in Red. One of the good examples in that area is the RCCG and I thank God for the founder.

Lol. So the RCCG which is your good example of 'a true church of God' was founded by a man.

A man founded your 'body of Christ'

Lord have mercy!

oluomad: 1thim 4vs3...."forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth....

Can u prove to me that avoidin eating of meats on gud fridays is biblical, am w8n

I will prove it. As soon as you prove to me that Pastors owning airlines is Biblical. *waiting*

xcabinet: Please quote from the bible where its says eating of meat is prohibited on good friday?

Please quote from the Bible where it says that 'if it is not in the Bible, it is a sin to do it'