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@ Johnydon22, you said I was naive, ignorant etc...

You said the ancient Greeks used the ingredients of the modern scientific method...and they knew that the earth was round.

I asked you to show me where the ancient Greeks ever proved scientifically that the earth was round.

You suddenly went silent.

Can we then agree that you're the one who speaks in ignorance and naivete?

Or you're still looking for the evidence?

freecocoa:
It's not a misconception

I am telling him that a group of atheists deciding to do something and tag it a result of atheism does not make it true, since he(Italo)is ignorant of the meaning of atheism, let's just sarcastically assume.

No one can do anything in the name of atheism is what am saying.

The only thing you are allowed to do associated with atheism, is not believe in God.

johnydon22:
In this you are very correct i loudly concur meaning the misconception stems from mine and his part.

If someone denies, refutes and rejects the existence of God, can he/she be called an Atheist?

johnydon22:
Seriously you need to stop this your childish argument and face reality.

Natural philosophy as science was called during the ancient times dates back to very ancient civilizations.
Scientific disciplines that you now study Biology, physics, alchemy, astrology and so on all started during that ancient ages.

[b]Scientific method doesn't equate SCIENCE in general for crying out loud.

About churches starting universities, Aristotle started his Academy Centuries before the church came into play, The Egyptian mystery school has been around thousands of years even before the greek society emerged.

So please stop this your blatant show of chronic naivete. [/b]

Wikipedia on Science.

In modern usage "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. In the 17th and 18th centuries scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of laws of nature. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself, as a disciplined way to study the natural world, including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. It is in the 19th century also that the term scientist began to be applied to those who sought knowledge and understanding of nature.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

How does your brain process the bold?

johnydon22:
[b]Lmao and you further castigate yourself more on your ignorance about ancient science...

First of all by mentioning SCIENCE of Aristotle era you have agreed science was before the emergence of your church even though you now misrepresented it in order to down write it.

Ancient greeks knew the earth was round, even ancient egypt and sumer knew this little fact and they had telescope to OBSERVE this and the phenomenon of star constellations.

They observed the existence of other planets and planetary rotations. . .

Pythagoras fully developed the pythagoras theorem and proved it of which am proud to say you still suffer his bullshiit in class today as SOHCAHTOA.

Egyptians had a sound knowledge of geometry evident enough in the pyramids, they even left behind writings on papyrus on Physics, biology, alchemy, astrology and so on of which many of this knowledge we still see in the classrooms.

An ancient egyptian physician imhotep performed surgery long before the emergence of greek civilization even...

SCIENCE in the ancient days had a philosophical approach and yet still had the ingredients that defines modern science now which is OBSERVATION and EXPERIMENTATION ..

You only ended up showing to be quite naive about history and ancient antiquities and science [/b]

Show me where Ancient Greeks ever proved that the earth was round...for starters.

Let's see who is ignorant.

johnydon22:
Its a clear misconception on her part of which is obvious..

Whether someone is good or bad has no effect or anything to do with atheism...anybody's behaviour GOOD or BAD is sorely their doing..

Atheist simply means "This guy disbelieves the existence of deities

Yet the Albanian constitution said the state pursues an Atheist propaganda.



And it killed for that purpose.

marcondo13:
Do you know that it took a vote of plus one before a Church council decided that black people have souls?

False. Mention the council and provide evidence.

marcondo13:
How did certain books become excluded from the Bible as the Appocrypha at a church council when only one of the members present was literate?

Which Church council? You're very ignorant.

marcondo13:
If you are a true catholic, can you tell us what happens to a dead Pope at a secret conclave, who have been found guilty of breaking the laws of the Mother Church? Normally, the Fisherman's ring is only destroyed, but for a defaulting Pope, several fingers are also cut off! If you think that I am kidding, ask any Catholic Priest that you know!

There is nothing like that. Ignoramus.

marcondo13:
There are issues every where in the religious circle! Muslims killing Christians and Buddhists killing Muslims! It is really a crazy world!

Yes. A crazy world full of crazy people who peddle false damaging stories about people and religions.

freecocoa:
And the day any atheist tells you its okay to molest and kill children, he is deviated from atheism, that's a lie, that's not atheism.

Like why can't you use your brain? How hard is that?

Now this sounds like Atheism is a doctrine, Johnydon22.

adsonstone:
Who's dancing around, you or I?
Ignorance is truly killing you.

Adult roman catholic, keep reveling in self deceit, lies and hypocrisy...in public, you're well known for that.

What lie or hypocrisy?

That the Catholic Church invented the modern university system...

That it is the biggest Charity in the world?

That it practically invented Science when Friar Roger Bacon advanced the Scientific method at the behest of the Pope...which is the way Science is practised today?

johnydon22:
We are talking about SCIENCE (Natural philosophy so as not to confuse the young ones like you) We are not talking about scientific methods.


Stop disgracing yourself and degrading the intellect of catholics by not knowing the difference between SCIENCE and scientific methods let alone modern scientific method...

I'm talking about Science in the modern sense of the word, which mainly refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed...with full observation, experimentation, verification, peer review etc

Not the science that Aristotle and others used to discover that the earth was flat...without proof.

johnydon22:
[b]And your copy and pastes still proves you wrong all the time... Scientific Method is not Science in general. . .

Roger Bacon played an important role in the development of MODERN scientific METHOD but there were still ancient scientific methods in play before then.

Observation, experimentation were all part of the ancient Scientific method which still are maintained in this modern scientific method.

When you pick up a pythgoras theorem just know that pythagoras helped develop mathematics but was not the inventor of mathematics or even the theorem itself

So boy pick up a book and stop disgracing yourself by asserting the church invented science when science (Natural philosophy) predates it by thousands of years.

By the way i like the fact you agree Bacon was a philosopher further buttress my point and teachings to you in the other thread that both theology( religion) and science (Natural philosophy) are all off shoots of the noble art of Philosophy

You really need to step up your game and study more.. i recommend you go to a seminary it will do you a lot of good study wise ... lol [/b]

Science in the modern sense of the word, refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed.

johnydon22:
[b]And by so doing you stereotyped by attributing individual and political actions to a whole. . . . Nambla movement is a movement that involves both theist and atheist, these are individual ideological and orientation and has nothing to do with belief or unbelief in a deity... Even the nambla movement claimed to recruit through the catholic church.

I didn't stereotype. I gave irrefutable examples of Atheists justifying their crimes...some in the name of Atheism.

johnydon22:
[i]You have to tell that to the christian members of Nambla and also to the pedophile priests that molest young boys in the sacristy all over the globe.

I will tell any Christian who justifies his sin as "right" that he is a heretic. I haven't seen a pedophile priest claim to be right yet.

johnydon22:
Simple the actions of these few does not equate Christianity and so it will wrong to attribute the actions of these individuals to Christianity.

Simple. Christianity teaches the contrary.

johnydon22:
Atheism is not a religion or doctrine, its just a position of unbelief. . . So people who act of their orientation or ideologies in the state of unbelief do so at their own accord ..

Yes, those Atheists kill in the name of Atheism...on their own.

johnydon22:
And you keep showing you are not well at all..

"They helped developed the modern idea of scientific method not SCIENCE in essense"

We are talking about SCIENCE not scientific method... There is an obvious distinction between SCIENCE and SCIENTIFIC METHODS. scientific methods are just methods of scientific application of which we have many!

Seems Wikipedia english confuses you a lot.... Even more so many scientific methods have been in play since the ancient times..

During the ancient times egypt had a school "The egyptian mystery school" which formulated most of the scientific knowledge you have now Biology, Physics, Alchemy, Mathematics, Astrology, even medical sciences and others. And this school produced the likes Imhotep, Pythagoras even plato....

Stop confusing yourself with the linguistic addition of the word science with the concept of SCIENCE or should should i now say NATURAL PHILOSOPHY so you don't keep confusing yourself

Science in the modern sense of the word, refers mainly to the Scientific method that Roger Bacon developed.

The real breakthrough in the development of the scientific method, however, came from a man named Roger Bacon. Roger Bacon (1214-1294) was an English philosopher often considered the 'Father of the Scientific Method'. Bacon's contribution to the development of the scientific method stems from his emphasis on experimentation. Bacon suggested scientific truth could be found out through the cycle of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, and independent verification.


http://study.com/academy/lesson/bacon-descartes-the-scientific-method.html

This one is not

johnydon22:
[b][i[You know for me to list out the atrocities committed by the church and popes through out history ranging from the killing of the knight templars and countess others won't clear the fact that the action of an individual molesting a child is bad.

Those atheist molesting kids all do so as their own individual action and it has nothing to do with atheists because atheism is not doctrine or dogma or religion, just a name labeled to people who lack belief in Gods.

Their actions are as bad as that of the catholic priests who do same in the sacristy with little altar boys all over the world of which airs in the news everyday.

But the actions of these priests are all actions of individuals and have nothing to do with other catholics or catholicism so too does the action of one atheist the sole doing of that atheist and has nothing to do with concept of atheism.

Learn to attribute individual behaviours on the individual and stop stereotyping these half baked childish fallacies. [/i][/b

My initial statement was that Atheists kill and molest children and justify it...and I have given clear examples of Nambla and Atheistic Govt...there are many more examples.

the moment a Christian tells you "it is right for me to molest a child," he has begun to chart his way out of Christianity. That is heresy!

johnydon22:
Nope just like gay law it is just a constitutional amendment by the government and implemented by the government... You can never separate the actions of a state out of government...

An Atheistic constitutional amendment done and implemented by an Atheistic Govt run by Atheists...to kill in the name of Atheism.

adsonstone:
You seem not to understand simple english.

I dunno any evil of deeper life, if you know any, say them, I'll confirm and acknowledge them.
Simple.

Since you're aware that the roman catholic church does/has done evil...as your post revealed, please list these evils.

I will only list the good of deeper life I'm aware of if and when you post the evils of the roman catholic church.

Simples!

Here are some of the evils of the Catholic Church:

The Roman Catholic Church is the largest non-government provider of health care services in the world.[1] It has around 18,000 clinics, 16,000 homes for the elderly and those with special needs, and 5,500 hospitals, with 65 per cent of them located in developing countries.[2] In 2010, the Church's Pontifical Council for Pastoral Assistance to Health Care Workers said that the Church manages 26% of the world's health care facilities.[3] The Church's involvement in health care has ancient origins.

Jesus Christ, whom the Church holds as its founder, instructed his followers to heal the sick. The early Christians were noted for tending the sick and infirm, and Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals. The influential Benedictine rule holds that "the care of the sick is to be placed above and before every other duty, as if indeed Christ were being directly served by waiting on them". But for centuries, Catholic health care was scientifically primitive. Different saints were invoked for every body part in the hope of miraculous cures. During the Middle Ages, monasteries and convents were the key medical centres of Europe and the Church developed an early version of a welfare state. Cathedral schools evolved into a well integrated network of medieval universities and Catholic scientists (many of them clergymen) made a number of important discoveries which aided the development of modern science and medicine.

Saint Albert the Great (1206-1280) was a pioneer of biological field research; Desiderius Erasmus (1466-1536) helped revive knowledge of ancient Greek medicine, Renaissance popes were often patrons of the study of anatomy, and Catholic artists such as Michelangelo advanced knowledge of the field through sketching cadavers. The Jesuit Athanasius Kircher (1602 – 1680) first proposed that living beings enter and exist in the blood (a precursor of germ theory). The Augustinian Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) developed theories on genetics for the first time. As Catholicism became a global religion, the Catholic orders and religious and lay people established health care centres around the world. Women's religious institutes such as the Sisters of Charity, Sisters of Mercy and Sisters of St Francis opened and operated some of the first modern general hospitals.

While the prioritisation of charity and healing by early Christians created the hospital, their spiritual emphasis tended to imply "the subordination of medicine to religion and doctor to priest". "[P]hysic and faith", wrote historian of medicine Ray Porter "while generally complementary... sometimes tangled in border disputes." Similarly in modern times, the moral stance of the Church against contraception and abortion has been a source of controversy. The Church, while being a major provider of health care to HIV AIDS sufferers, and of orphanages for unwanted children, has been criticised for opposing condom use. Due to Catholics' belief in the sanctity of life from conception, IVF, which leads to the destruction of many embryos, surrogacy, which relies on IVF, and embryonic stem-cell research, which necessitates the destruction of embryos, are among other areas of controversy for the Church in the provision of health care.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_health_care

To be cntd...

johnydon22:
Lol boy the fact remains that both the Soviet and Albania state atheism were all constitutional charters.

The constitution outlawed religious activities and so what ever activity and implementations that followed were sorely a political and constitutional action..
Just like the Nigerian constitution outlawed gayism

That is politics

Atheistic constitutions drafted by Atheists that killed millions in the name of Atheism.

adsonstone:
Shameless and ignorant catholic liar!

I never said scientific method started in the 17th century...it is your assumption from your poor ignorant reasoning. I quoted wikipedia that says



Nowhere did myself or wikipedia say that 'scientific methods or science 'started' or was 'invented' in the 17th century by Bacon.

You were the one who said that...it further shows you to be an adult catholic liar!



Wikipedia calls you a liar!

"Several scientific methods thus emerged from the medieval Muslim world by the early 11th century, all of which emphasized experimentation as well as
quantification to varying degrees."

- Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method

During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish scientific method https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

Keep dancing around.

johnydon22:
As simple as it gets.

Stalin was an atheist (individual position) his government is atheistic (Political position) And stalins actions were very evil and barbaric and bad...any sane human being would know that.

All the actions of stalin all boils down to his individual political ideologies.... Nigeria ban of gay rights is not theistic but political....

Hitler was a catholic and he even believed his holocaust on the jews was a cause for God, but this doesn't make his actions a catholic action.. It was a political position. .

So again you gotta learn the difference between political actions, individual actions and collective actions of a group. . . Stop the fallacy of stereotyping.

Stalin/his govt killed millions to further the Atheistic agenda.

So whether the ideology is individual or political or whatever, it was an Atheistic ideology...just like that of Albania.

Hitler was not serving a Christian agenda, but an anti-Christian one. And by the way he was technically not a Catholic at the time because he was already excommunicated.

johnydon22:
You only get wikipedia copy and paste. . . Lol

It's absolutely okay to quote wiki when it's article is true...

...rather than spewing fallacies like you without any backup anywhere.
I have provide a form of backup or evidence for every single thing I have said...if there is any I haven't provided evidence of, point it out.

senbonzakurakageyoshi:
Does this your catholicism include all the other denominations or is it just restricted to the Roman Catholic Church?

Jesus founded only one Church in 33AD. There is nothing like "denominations."

Where do you get that from?

freecocoa:
Since when is atheism a religion biko nu? Did the people you mentioned, tell you they justify whatever in the name of atheism?

Just what are you going on about?

State atheism in Albania was taken to an extreme during the totalitarian regime installed after World War II, when religions, identified as imports foreign to Albanian culture, were banned altogether.[28] The Agrarian Reform Law of August 1945 nationalized most property of religious institutions, including the estates of mosques, monasteries, orders, and dioceses. Many clergy and believers were tried and some were executed. All foreign Roman Catholic priests, monks, and nuns were expelled in 1946.[29]

Religious communities or branches that had their headquarters outside the country, such as the Jesuit and Franciscan orders, were henceforth ordered to terminate their activities in Albania. Religious institutions were forbidden to have anything to do with the education of the young, because that had been made the exclusive province of the state. All religious communities were prohibited from owning real estate and from operating philanthropic and welfare institutions and hospitals. Although there were tactical variations in Enver Hoxha's approach to each of the major denominations, his overarching objective was the eventual destruction of all organized religion in Albania. Between 1945 and 1953, the number of priests was reduced drastically and the number of Roman Catholic churches was decreased from 253 to 100, and all Catholics were stigmatized as fascists.[29]

The campaign against religion peaked in the 1960s. Beginning in 1967 the Albanian authorities began a campaign to eliminate religious life in Albania. Despite complaints, even by APL members, all churches, mosques, monasteries, and other religious institutions were either closed down or converted into warehouses, gymnasiums, or workshops by the end of 1967.[30] By May 1967, religious institutions had been forced to relinquish all 2,169 churches, mosques, cloisters, and shrines in Albania, many of which were converted into cultural centers for young people. As the literary monthly Nendori reported the event, the youth had thus "created the first atheist nation in the world."[29]

Clerics were publicly vilified and humiliated, their vestments taken and desecrated. More than 200 clerics of various faiths were imprisoned, others were forced to seek work in either industry or agriculture, and some were executed or starved to death. The cloister of the Franciscan order in Shkodër was set on fire, which resulted in the death of four elderly monks.[29]

Article 37 of the Albanian Constitution of 1976 stipulated, "The state recognizes no religion, and supports atheistic propaganda in order to implant a scientific materialistic world outlook in people.",[31] and the penal code of 1977 imposed prison sentences of three to ten years for "religious propaganda and the production, distribution, or storage of religious literature."[citation needed] A new decree that in effect targeted Albanians with Muslim and Christian names, stipulating that citizens whose names did not conform to "the political, ideological, or moral standards of the state" were to change them.[citation needed] It was also decreed that towns and villages with religious names must be renamed.[citation needed] Hoxha's brutal antireligious campaign succeeded in eradicating formal worship, but some Albanians continued to practice their faith clandestinely, risking severe punishment.[citation needed] Individuals caught with Bibles, Qurans, icons, or other religious objects faced long prison sentences. Religious weddings were prohibited.[citation needed]

Parents were afraid to pass on their faith, for fear that their children would tell others. Officials tried to entrap practicing Christians and Muslims during religious fasts, such as Lent and Ramadan, by distributing dairy products and other forbidden foods in school and at work, and then publicly denouncing those who refused the food. Those clergy who conducted secret services were incarcerated.[29] Catholic priest Shtjefen Kurti had been executed for secretly baptizing a child in Shkodër in 1972.[32]

The article was interpreted by Danes as violating The United Nations Charter (chapter 9, article 55) which declares that religious freedom is an inalienable human right. The first time that the question came before the United Nations' Commission on Human Rights at Geneva was as late as 7 March 1983. A delegation from Denmark got its protest over Albania's violation of religious liberty placed on the agenda of the thirty-ninth meeting of the commission, item 25, reading, "Implementation of the Declaration on the Elimination of all Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination based on Religion or Belief.", and on 20 July 1984 a member of the Danish Parliament inserted an article into one of Denmark's major newspapers protesting the violation of religious freedom in Albania.

These massive attempts by communists to create an atheist nation, devastated both Islam and Orthodox Christianity and they suffered irreparable loss, while on the other hand Roman Catholicism rebounded and regained its previous share of the population at 10%.[33] Despite all of this, a majority of Albania's population is still affiliated with some form of religion. According to the 2011 census, 58.79% of Albanians adhere to Islam, making it the largest religion in the country. The majority of Albanian Muslims are secular Sunni with a significant Bektashi Shia minority. Christianity is practiced by 16.99% of the population, making it the 2nd largest religion in the country. The remaining population is either irreligious or belongs to other religious groups.[34] Before World War II, there was given a distribution of 70% Muslims, 20% Eastern Orthodox, and 10% Roman Catholics.[35] Today, Gallup Global Reports 2010 shows that religion plays a role in the lives of only 39% of Albanians, and ranks Albania the thirteenth least religious country in the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

Killing in the name of Atheism and justifying it.

johnydon22:
And this just proved what i was saying... The soviet union state atheism was a political position...Political ideologies has nothing to do others. . . You are still stereotyping atheism with the political ideology of Stalin.

And you still arguing over that obvious fact

The man was an Atheist, his Govt was Atheistic, he/his govt killed millions to suppress religion and advance atheism in the country and beyond...and he/his govt justified the killings.

End of story.

herald9:
oh! You mean catholicism is a religion on its own... Its not part of Christianity?


Hahaha

Someone joined the countries of Egypt,Kenya , Ethiopia, etc and tagged them 'Africa', does it mean those countries didn't exist until then?

1 strictly speaking: Christianity is Catholicism and Catholicism is Christianity. Full Stop.

2. I speak about Science in the modern sense of the word which mainly refers to the Scientific Model which was advanced by Roger Bacon. This is the Science practised in our world today, not the ancient science that didn't fully entail observation, experimentation, verification etc.

adsonstone:
You have said proved nothing.

So, what Galileo Galilei, did wasn't science, right?

Hypocrisy, ignorance and self deceit is really a disease.

You really need to be schooled on the history of science to deliver you from deliberate ignorance.


Lemme just brief you so you can stop displaying ignorance and hypocrisy.

Science has been around for more than 1500 years BC. It has been developed upon by so many people both christians, muslims, atheists etc.

No particular person or body can be said to have 'invented' science although many can claim to have built on it, which is very true.
There have been many pioneers of science including Boyle, Bacon, Ibn al-Haytham, Faraday, Dalton, Newton, Kepler...just to name a few.

You need more?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science

Science in the modern sense of the word, mainly refers to the Scientific Method. And you have said that this started in the 17th century.

See Wikipedia on Science:

In modern usage "science" most often refers to a way of pursuing knowledge, not only the knowledge itself. In the 17th and 18th centuries scientists increasingly sought to formulate knowledge in terms of laws of nature. Over the course of the 19th century, the word "science" became increasingly associated with the scientific method itself, as a disciplined way to study the natural world, including physics, chemistry, geology and biology. It is in the 19th century also that the term scientist began to be applied to those who sought knowledge and understanding of nature.

THAT was practically invented by the Catholic Church...especially through a clergyman called Roger Bacon.

Cc johnydon22

shalomm:
you are digressing from the main issue bro... when you mentioned soviet union, Russia, Poland. Czech and to mentioned but a few comes to ones mind... the question is, how were they Atheistic?

This should help. Please read the whole page and see how Atheistic govts justified killing and evil.

State atheism
State atheism is a popular term used for a government that is either antireligious, antitheistic or promotes atheism. In contrast, a secular state purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion. State atheism may refer to a government's anti-clericalism, which opposes religious institutional power and influence in all aspects of public and political life, including the involvement of religion in the everyday life of the citizen.

State promotion of atheism as a public norm first came to prominence in Revolutionary France (1789-1799).[1] Revolutionary Mexico followed similar policies from 1917, as did Marxist–Leninist states. The Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (1917–1991) and the Soviet Union (1922–1991) had a long history of state atheism, whereby those seeking social success generally had to profess atheism and to stay away from houses of worship; this trend became especially militant during the middle Stalinist era from 1929 to 1939. The Soviet Union attempted to suppress public religious expression over wide areas of its influence, including places such as central Asia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

freecocoa:
Your ignorance is nauseating, so Harry Hay and his association equals all atheists? You want to tell me about mass killings and persecutions without giving credit to christianity? You gotta be kidding me.

Never said the bold. You're arguing against your imagination.

I said Atheists justify their molestation of kids.

Those three are good examples.

No Catholic can justify molestation, unjust mass killings and persecutions with the religion.

The religion teaches opposite.

adsonstone:
...and you're ashamed too tired to post the evils of the Roman Catholic Church?

I want you to list them...

...and the deeds deeper life has done for humanity...

Let's compare.

adsonstone:
List the evils of the roman catholic church let everyone see them.

Are you scared?
Or is it your usual hypocrisy?

You list them...or they are so few you can't find any?

And list the deeds your deeper life has done for the world?

Nothing?

johnydon22:
For goodness sake stop your fallacies and argue honestly for once. . . You tend to give catholicism a bad name with such desperate attempt on discrediting people falsely.. Numbla is a pedophile legalization movement just like gay right movement.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association what has that got to do with atheism exactly? Seriously you need to calm you nerves and stop acting on desperation...

Some of the well known atheist advocates of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) are:
1. The atheist and homosexual David Thorstad was a founding member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).[1]
2. Harry Hay (1912 - 2002) was a liberal atheist advocate of statutory rape and the widely acknowledged founder and progenitor of the activist homosexual agenda in the United States.[2][3][4] Hay joined the Communist Party of the United States (CPUSA) in 1934. [5] He was a vociferous advocate of man/boy love. [6][7] In 1986, Hay marched in a gay parade wearing a shirt emblazoned with the words "NAMBLA walks with me."[8]
3. The writer Samuel R. Delaney is an atheist and a homosexual.[9][10] Delaney said he was a supporter of NAMBLA

You're the one trying to desperately conceal how Atheists justify their evils.

senbonzakurakageyoshi:
I don't understand. Are you for the church and Christianity as a whole or just repping the catholic church? Because by your repeated posts here, you're tacitly implying that other denominations are doing jack all while the catholic church is the bastion of world goodness. This is precisely my problem with modern christianity - this our "my church is better than yours" argument. What's the difference between it and the "my religion is better than yours" argument?

How do you define "Church" and "Christianity?"

shalomm:
I'm Christian and Proud. but bro you just commit a blunder by saying the bolded statement of yours.... Soviet Union, North korea, Cambodia are we hearing any issue of those country legalizing gay marriage or the LGBTC community? are u saying Russia has no Christians? or aren't there christian in North Korea?

Soviet Govt was Atheistic. Russian Govt isn't, now.

North Korean Govt is Atheistic...I don't need to tell you the atrocities it is perpetrating against its own people.

Read about How Pol Pot, the former Atheistic dictator of Cambodia killed one-quarter of Cambodians.

adsonstone:
The scientific method is a body of techniques
for investigating phenomena, acquiring new
knowledge, or correcting and integrating
previous knowledge.
-Wikipedia

The Oxford English Dictionary defines the scientific method as "a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."
-Wikipedia

Scientific methods can be traced back to more than 1500years BC.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_history_of_scientific_method

Scientific Methods can be traced to Ancient Greece, Egypt, China etc

https://explorable.com/history-of-the-scientific-method

Tell me more about how science was 'invented' by catholicism.

You really seem to enjoy self deceit even when the truth is hitting you on the head.

You have proved me right with the bold.

"The Scientific Method" refers to a singular concept. That particular concept, according to you began to Characterize natural science in 17th century.

It is this concept that the modern sense of the word "Science" refers to.

Thank you.