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Jeromejnr:
Oga! since my doctrine is false and yours is right, Say AMEN.

Afterall don't you want to be like Peter and Paul?. Say AMEN first then we can move on.

My saying Amen to your prayer has got nothing to do with the topic.

You're just diverting attention from your false doctrine and ignorance about the bible.

Jeromejnr:
Oga! no use style change topic. Say AMEN to the prayer first.

I thought you said the Bible came from the Talmud, Apocrypha and Dead Sea Scrolls?

Now you want to accuse me of changing topic because I exposed your ignorance about the bible?



The dead sea scrolls contain books like Jubilee, Enoch, Tobit etc

The Apocrypha contain books like Macabees, Sirach, Etc

Are these books in your Bible? If not, why not?

The Talmud which is heretical contains the followibg:

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed".

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Are these in your Bible? If not, why not?

None of the aforementioned contain the New Testament books. So are the New Testament books also excluded from your Bible? If not, why not?

Jeromejnr:
I join you in prayers for yourself that God will make you penniless, homeless and always starving. And that He will baptize you more with lack and Poverty till the day you die.

Say a big AMEN!

Your prayer has nothing to do with the topic.

Jesus said he had nowhere to lay his head.

Peter said he had no penny.

Paul said he and others were homeless and hungry.

They weren't wealthy. Your topic is a lie.

Your doctrine is man-made, false and unscriptural.

Jeromejnr:
Like I said before, that God used Judas to cast out demons and heal the sick, didn't mean later he didnt fall away.

BTW, the bible comes from the dead sea scrolls or the Jewish Talmud.

So we have the Dead sea scrolls, the Talmud and the Apochrypha.

In all those documents, where was it written we can pray to Mary? But someone somewhere woke up one morning and said 'Lets pray to Mary to help us talk to Jesus so he can persuade God for us". And you sef follow with no scriptural backing.

This is Day 7 (since saturday)

And no one has given me any scriptural backing till date. .

In fact, was it not you or someone that said, it is not in the bible and you don't only believe in the bible but also in the word of mouth of what someone up there says?

SMH.

The dead sea scrolls contain books like Jubilee, Enoch, Tobit etc

The Apocrypha contain books like Macabees, Sirach, Etc

Are these books in your Bible? If not, why not?

The Talmud which is heretical contains the followibg:

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed".

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

Are these in your Bible? If not, why not?

None of the aforementioned contain the New Testament books. So are the New Testament books also excluded from your Bible? If not, why not?

Jeromejnr:
Acts 28:30 :"And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,"

So were you the one that gave him his house here Wow! he must have been too poor that the community pitied him and dashed him one.

Mt 8:14 "When Jesus came into Peter's home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him.…"

Peter was penniless according to you, but he had a house and wife and children. I wonder how it must have been for him thinking of how to provide for his family and also going around preaching the Word. I wonder.

How can Peter and Paul have lived below their priviledges when just a shadow will heal multitudes and Paul will be bitten by a snake but was not moved and as a result was called a god by natives?

Jesus was poor but yet He had a money purse that he had to have a secretary (Judas) to help him handle the finances. An Judas saw so much money in there that he knew as he stole from it no one would have noticed? Or Jesus had so much money that at one point in time during the last supper when Jesus said Judas should leave, others taught it was for him to go and give to the poor? Why will they have even thought of that if Jesus never gave to the poor?

You said Jesus said "..Son of man has nowhere to lay His head"

Mark 2: "When Jesus returned to Capernaum several days later, the news spread quickly that he was back home. 2Soon the house where he was staying was so packed with visitors that there was no more room, even outside the door."

So according to you, I wonder how Jesus must have taken care of Mary His mother. If he never had a place to stay, then this house in this scripture, was it in a bush?

Please, Jesus was busy travelling all the time, is that not why he made that statement you quoted.

The amazing thing is look at all this, Jesus never for once lacked and God said He was poor (So that through His poverty you be made rich).

And I am sure right now with this your thinking you must be seriously lacking. Can't you see how far below your privileges in Christ you are.

Imagine, to God not lacking and just having your needs met is poor but having an abundance is wealth/riches. John 10:10. "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

Before I read too far, stop lying that it was me who said Peter was penniless and Paul (and other apostles were homeless and starving).

It was Peter and Paul that said so themselves in Acts3:16 and 1Cor4:11.

Unfortunately, you don't consider those verses as scripture.

Esdb3:
Oshiomole has two language meanings. I don't know what it means in benin but in yoruba it means "poverty knows no ground"(oshiomole). Before you decide think well.

So you know who he was and you still said yoruba had no ties with benin? How dumb is that?!

This is the same intellectual dishonesty that Yorubas historians are known for.

1. I never said Yorubas had no ties with Benin. You said that because you have to lie to defend the lies you have previously told.

2. You have to misspell and mispronounce "Oshiomhole" for it to fit your Yoruba concoction...and you have to manufacture one single Yoruba that bears that name.

Reptyle:
Lagos = Eko = Oko (Farm)
Benin = Bini = Binu = Ile Ibinu (Literarily "Land of Anger) = Ubinu
I leave the rest to the discerning mind.
Suffice to say that Nnamdi Kanu is either ignorant or deliberately twisting history to suit his agenda.

Eko is not Oko.

Eko means war camp in Bini.

Ile Ibinu was so named by Oranmiyan who was Oduduwa's son.

Oduduwa himself was a Bini man.

Yes, the same Oduduwa that many Yorubas say fell from the sky.

Jeromejnr:
What that man has is man’s religious version of God. His is not based on the scriptures.

But even the Bible is a product of my religion - Catholicism...

It was compiled and canonized in 382 under Pope Damasus in the Synod of Rome.



So your version of God is the version of RELIGIOUS scripture.

Jeromejnr:
I get what you mean.

All I did was provide scriptures. If anyone wants to contradict, they shouldn't bring up their own opinions but the scriptures.

And you can't just sit down and watch people contradicting the word you preach which will eventually affect weak ones. Remember Paul placed a curse on elymas who tried to contradict him as he was preaching to the council.

I see.

So Matt8:20, Acts3:6 and 1Cor4:11 are not scripture?

Jeromejnr:
Preach on broda!

If they like, let them keep deceiving themselves with man made doctrines.

They have chosen to live below their privileges in Christ.

Trying to change the issue.

I haven't preached any doctrine yet.

Did homeless and starving St. Paul...and penniless St Peter also live below their privileges in Christ?

Jeromejnr:
BTW, FYI, History says Jesus wore a very expensive robe that was worn only by rich masters.

That was one the the reasons why the soldiers gambled for His garments.

And also the gold, frankincense and Mryrrh given to Jesus at His birth. Do a research and see how much that costs in millions of dollars today.

It is up to you to show where the Bible says Jesus' robe was a very expensive robe worn only by rich masters...

...and where the Bible says the value of the Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh.

What the Bible said was:

Matt8:20 "And Jesus saith to him: The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests: but the son of man hath not where to lay his head"

1Cor4:11 "To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless."

Acts3:6 "Silver and Gold, I have none."

Stop lying to preach your false man-made doctrine.

Those men were not wealthy.

Realtol:
Lol! The hatred in you won't let you seek the truth but rather what you wish to be true. Unfortunately you can't change the history. Okanbi gave birth to Oduduwa and Oduduwa to seven children all males I want you to go and research their names and their current locations in order for you to learn something about history. I'm not a body of knowledge but you can't tell me what I really know.

The bold is what happens when one tries to distort history.

So Oduduwa has gone from father of Okanbi to son of Okanbi?

Okay, tell us the origin of Okanbi...

Is he the one who fell from the sky?

AlPeter:
there are villages in bini that speak yoruba. And a lot of Edo folks have yoruba names infact they share common words with each other

These don't change the fact that Oduduwa is Bini Prince Ekaladerhan.

Please tell me the village that speaks Yoruba in Bini.

Esdb3:
Dumb dumb. Who doesn't know oranmiyan made benin?? Why do they have a Governor surnamed Oshiomole, a yoruba name yet he isn't a yoruba?

1. Oranmiyan was the son of Oduduwa who was Bini Prince Ekaladerhan.

2. Oshiomhole is an Edo name, not a Yoruba name. It has a meaning in Edo but no meaning in Yoruba.

3. Next time you want to call someone "dumb," make sure you don't say something dumb too.

pharmagba:
Oduduwa a bini prince? Please in order to push ethnic agenda, don't display your ignorance and lazy approach to search for truth.

Oduduwa is Bini Prince Ekaladerhan who was wrongly banished...wandered to Ife and became their king.

Many Yoruba historians choose to distort this history by telling the lie that Oduduwa fell down from heaven.

That is a big lie.

What is your own version of Oduduwa's origin?

He trekked from Mecca to Ife?

Jeromejnr:
Chai! your case is strong.

I wonder how Peter must have paid his taxes at that time.

Maybe the same way poor people pay their taxes today.

The same way the other poor Christians like St. Paul paid his taxes...

...while he said: To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless.

The same way Joseph and Mary paid their taxes while they were unable to afford a lamb to offer for Jesus' circumcision.

Jeromejnr:
Why take one scripture and leave out the rest Mr. Man.

Why don't you explain the rest.

Don't dodge the multitude of scriptures.

This one scripture is true...

But you want to make it a lie.

No amount of other verses can make this one verse a lie.

Peter had no silver or gold!

Jeromejnr:
Na wa o.

You just quoted a one time event. What if he had left the money at home as he was going to the temple?

Peter had a wife and kids, so how was he taking care of them if he didn't have a single dime?

Apostle Paul too was not that wealthy, but yet he said "poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything."

I mean this guys were constantly spending most of their time in jail. How were they supposed to be interested in having wealth. Even though they had their needs provided for.

But yet they made many rich.

1 Cor 4 "Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign—and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena."

Mr man, you are not an apostle. you had better not let man made doctrines rob you of God's blessings.

Jeromejnr:
More:
'For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world—right up to this moment.'
You see the apostle even says, "to this very hour we go hungry and thirst". What does that mean?
If you understand the English language, then you will know he acted surprised by the fact.
Again I say, you are not an apostle. Don't let man made doctrines rob you.

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

See how many words it is taking you to twist the gospel?

"Silver and gold, I have none!"--St. Peter.

'Silver and gold, St. Peter had at home'--Jeromejnr.

Acts3:6 But Peter said: Silver and gold I have none; but what I have, I give thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, arise, and walk.

Keep deceiving yourself with your strange man-made prosperity gospel!

No...Catholics who compiled the Bible in the 4th century and have been teaching the world about Christ from the 1st century can't be saved...

...it is Protestants who only came about in the 16th century and lied that the bible fell from the sky that are saved.



Fooooools!

benjibabs:
You already answered you own questions; see the word in bold font. Can anything dead hear?

Christianity is extremely simple; you will actually need someone to help you miss it.

In addition, did you read any where in your bible that you should pray to Mary or saint anything? If not, why would you expect Mary or any so called saint to even hear your prayers, that is if they can HEAR in DEATH in the first place.

Bro, read your bible and follow what the bible says you should do, period!

I see!

So you believe God is God of the dead and not the living?

You believe that Jesus was lying when he said believers never die?

Scholar8200:
YES. Because none exists!

As long as the definition of whatever concept/word is used agrees with the christian teaching in the Bible.

What if the Bible is silent on a teaching or practise...

...does that make it a false teaching or practise?

Coming to my defense for intercession of Saints:

1. I believe you consider yourself a saint. The bible asks you to intercede for me. Yes or no?

2. The bible say that Saints will live forever. Yes or no?

3. Can Angels intercede for us? Yes or no?

4. Saints in heaven are like angels. Yes or no?

*please don't leave any of the 5 question unanswered. It's just yes or no. It won't hurt.

Scholar8200:
Present the christian teaching in the Bible as it is in agreement with the definition of whatever concept/word is used to describe it

1. Can we agree that you cannot provide a verse in the bible that says saints cannot intercede for christians?

2. Please let me know your belief. Does every Christian belief have to be explicitly written in the Bible...and is any teaching that is not explicitly written in the Bible a false teaching?

You shouldn't be afraid to clarify these is your mind is clean.

ProphetUdeme:
why do you always suffer yourself this much to defend your church. Even if they are wrong, you will try so hard to defend them. Btw. I attended a catholic sunday service some years ago and ally they did was just reading their doctrines and praying to mary and anointin with holy water and when the church dismissed i saw an old woman bowing to a created stature. God is my witness. Aint lying

It is a lie.

The Order of Mass is the same all over the world.

All Catholic Churches must follow the Order and the same readings for the day at every mass.

It is even found on the internet.

Satan, the father of lies must be proud of you.

Scholar8200:
And if you claim someone did then show us proofs from scripture!

There is only One High Priest named and identified as Intercessor/Advocate before the Father! No other one was thus mentioned! If you know of any, give proofs! Why pray to a departed soul to do for you what Jesus is declared to be already doing in Heaven? And since Bible says:
4 And no man taketh this [size=13pt]honour[/size] unto himself, but [size=13pt]he that is called of God[/size], as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Hebrews 5:4,5
The honour given to Jesus as High Priest is being shared with the souls He saved! God will never share His Glory with man. Did you notice Who selects High Priest,as per the highlighted?


And there is no where that say they do? Hence it's safer to stop where the Bible stops!

Praying to/through Mary etc is a man-made practise bereft of scriptural antecedence whatsoever! If you have one, give it!

Let's be clear.

You cannot provide a verse where the Bible says saints don't intercede for others. Agreed?

Then I can show you why intercession of saints is a Christian practise.

*and pls let me know if you believe that all Christian teaching must be explicitly stated in the bible...and anything not explicitly stated in the bible is a false teaching. It is very important.

truthman2012:
Nonsense!!!

Why do they still remain in Catholic?

Satanic people.

What did the Cardinal say that warrants you calling us Catholics "satanic?"

We see your pastors feeding you snakes and petrol...and making you come to service naked and we don't call you "satanic."

Scholar8200:
1. What proof to the contrary do you have?

You're the one who made assertions that no one ever asked the intercession of those people. And you can't show where the Bible says so. Do you still believe in sola scriptura or not.

Scholar8200:
2. Where did He enjoin intercession to God through saints/angels? I quoted three passages on this, give us your own too?

You didn't quote one single passage to support your assertion that anyone asking a saint to pray for him has given Jesus' role to the saint...and is guilty of idolatry.

Scholar8200:
3. The man-made doctrine here is intercession to saints for which not a faint hint is given in the Bible! What? Have ye never read:

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 4:14-16

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 and having an high priest over the house of God;
22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, ...
Hebrews 10:19-22a

There is nowhere in that passage that says Saints don't intercede.

Stop trying to force your man-made doctrine into the passage.

If you can't find a place where the Bible says Saints can't intercede, just say so instead of this scriptural gymnastics you're doing.

Jeromejnr:
BTW I don't go to my pastor to pray to God for me.

There's diff BTW meeting ur pastor or elders to anoint you with oil for healing and praying to God for maybe a car or something.

So you go to your sinful pastor (who might be heading for hell) to heal you...

...but when we go to Mary in heaven to pray for us, you suddenly throw tantrums...

Jeromejnr:
@italo and dmandy

Is this true?

If it is then you need to question some things you've been believing in without proofs.

Is what true?

Jeromejnr:
I still want proof tho. On saints in heaven interceeding.

Rev 6:10 is already proof that Saints in heaven can pray to God to inflict vengeance on the people on earth. No?

Jeromejnr:
Okay so let me help you small.

Since you believe in not sticking to the scriptures. Why don't you provide the dogma or tradition where it was taught that we could pray to Mary.

I am sure right now you just realised you never even knew where the tradition came from in the first place. You just grew up in that environment so because of that you just believe it.

Even the Bible you hold on to is from Catholic tradition.

The Catholic Church compiled and canonized it in the fourth century...

Just as it did its other doctrines.

OLAADEGBU:
Where in what you've quoted proves that Mary or any of the "dead" saints hear our prayers?

Nowhere. Wait for Jesus to come down and tell you that Saints in heaven who talk, think, have feelings and know about happenings on earth...are also aware of prayers on earth.