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Judek2:i didn't misplace david with joseph. If you believe the bk of ACT "according to the flesh"; - this means joseph (descendant of David) impregnated virgin Mary to give rise to jesus(as) which clearly contradicts the bk of matthew that states jesus(as) had already been raised by the holy spirit before the coming together of joseph and virgin Mary |
Judek2:What i see is you making assumptions to defend your bible. You cannot prove this theoritical calculation you just made. I quote the verses again:- 1KI 4:26 And Solomon had (1) forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. 2CH 9:25 And Solomon had (2) four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem. What is certain in the verses above is that according to the bk of 1kings; there were "40,000 stalls" and according to the bk of 2chronicles; there were "4,000 stalls". This is a clear contradiction for everyone to see regardless of your baseless calculations which you cannot prove from the bible. As i've said in previous posts, when discussing about religion always stick to facts and quote verses from the bible or quran as evidence and DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS! The problem with the bible is that it's not in the original language, people can twist figures and words as they like and get away with it just as they did it in many other versions of the bible. For example, according to the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BIBLE, in the bk of 1kings 4:26 it states 4,000 stalls as against 40,000 in all other versions of different bibles;- According to King James Version Bible: 1KI 4:26 Solomon had four thousand stalls for chariot horses, and twelve thousand horses. According to New Int'l Version Bible : 1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen AS I SAID EARLIER, I CAN KEEP ON QUOTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF THESE CONTRADICTIONS IN DIFFERENT CHAPTERS AND DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE INCLUDING THE KING JAMES VERSION, AMPLIFIED BIBLE, NEW INT'L VERSION, AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION, THE MESSAGE, NEW CENTURY VERSION, NEW LIVING TRANSLATION, NEW LIFE VERSION ETC ETC. And all these bibles giving different accounts of events. So how do we know who's lying or telling the truth. That's why allah says in the glorious quran;- Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #82) |
Judek2:dear judek2, please stop deviating from the discussion and lets back our answers with evidence from the bible OR quran. ok The discussion here according to your previous posts is whether the law of moses was man-made or from GOD? According to the bible, the law of moses (which includes law pertaining to politics, social & civil) was from GOD, as also the 10 commandments was from GOD too. And my proof is from the book of Malachi Ch 4 v4;- Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I [God] commanded him in Horeb for all Israel. Dear judek2, if you desire to refute this claim, pls state your evidence from bible texts and stop making assumptions that cannot be proven 1:16 Jacob begat Joseph.Typical! copy and paste article just like most christians do all over the internet. Because you don't understand your bible, you quickly copy and paste any explanation you see on the internet to buttress a point regardless of whether the article makes sense or not, that's why you cannot backup your responses with any biblical verses to. But i'll help you with that now:- ![]() Firstly, there's no where in the entire bible that states Heli as the mother nor father of Mary. The writer of this copy and paste article is just making an assumption. Post a verse from the bible to prove me wrong Secondly, the "comparison table" this writer is talking about can be found in the bk of Luke & Mark showing the Descendants of David. Therefore, if the writer claims that Heli is Mary's Father then what you're saying is that Mary is a descendant of David If so, give me quotes from the bible to buttress your point |
Judek2:Prophet Muhammed(saw) was a prophet, just like Jesus (as), david(as) and moses (as). Religion is totality of Life that covers both spiritual (relationship with God) and physical (relationship with ourselves either politically or civil). And this is evident in the commandments revealed to Moses(as) and in many verses in the old testament and psalms by David please,provide me a sound proof of how this wonderful book revealed to a wonderful man who was sinless all through his life,and was even taken up alive(according to ya novel),has been corrupted by men. And why it took Allah about 6000 years to realised that his holy book has be corrupted,thereby revealing another to a sinful and lustful man who only have to spread the faith with by war and force.oh, so many verses in the bible is corrupted that you can't be sure which verse is giving a true account. For example, who's the father of Jesus?:- MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli. How many stalls and horsemen did solomon(as) have? 1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. 2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem. Was virgin mary's impregnation human or ghostly? ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. What were jesus(as) last words? JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON!!! The law of Moses was written by Moses, but the commandments was revealed. That s why Jesus based his teachings on the commandments,and not Moses written laws.Once again, you deceive yourself because you have many conflicting verses in the bible pertaining to the law. According to the bk of daniel ch 9 v 10-11:- "Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets." "Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him." Thats what your Allah say, quite interesting.Your response is hypocritical, because that verse you lash at is no different from many verses attributed to Jesus(as) in the bible. Like in the bk of john 14:16:-Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [quote][/quote]As i round up, i did like to quote this short verse from the quran so that you may ponder on many verses in your bible that contradicts one another and therefore cannot be relied upon:- And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. ( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #36) Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction. ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #82) |
Ogaga4Luv:Allah (GOD), The Originator of the Heavens and The Earth, The First Without A Beginning and The Last Without An Ending! How can you dispute the existence of Allah while you are a witness of how Allah created you in the womb of your mother, how Allah shaped your body, gave you eyes, nose, hands, feet and everything else, then allah commanded the angels to breathe a soul while you're still in your mother's womb or did you create yourself ? Don't you know that everything around you has a someone that created it? Look around you, at your houses built by builders, your furniture built by carpenters, the cars, roads, bridges by engineers, your food by farmers and so on. Look around you again, nothing in this world just appears without a creator, so do you think that the mighty heavens, earth, trees, animals, moon, stars, sun, planets and so on just appeared on their own? Of course Not! And do not doubt the day of resurrection, when your belief and actions will be judged. You'll be brought forth from the earth just as how the vegetation and the trees come out when you plant the seeds. Have you planted tomato seeds before; don't you see how the tomato sprouts out of the earth full again after you had already eaten it before re-planting the seed in the earth. That's how your body to will sprout out from the earth on resurrection day after it had already been eaten up by the earth and turned to dust. As Allah states in the glorious quran;- O mankind! If you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily We have created you from dust, then from a mixed drop of male and female sexual discharge, then from a coagulated blood then from a little lump of flesh - some formed and some unformed (as in the case of miscarriage) - that We may make clear to you Our Power and Ability to do what We will. And We cause whom We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed term, then We bring you out as infants, then give you growth that you may reach your age of full strength. And among you there is he who dies young, and among you there is he who is brought back to the miserable old age, so that he knows nothing after having known. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down rain on it, it is stirred to life, and it swells and puts forth every lovely kind of growth. ( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #5) |
@goggs. the bold thing is impressive, you're SMART ! ![]() |
tomzman:nice to hear from you tomzman, i missed yah too ![]() tomzman:Although Muslims believe in Jesus(as a servant of allah) and his preaching of the gospel, we totally reject the present day bible because it has been tampered with and therefore has too many contradictions, that's why allah revealed the quran to muhammed(saw) telling us who jesus (as) truly was and that he (jesus) practised islam. One of the contradictions in the verses stated above is that of "eternal life". According to many books in the bible, Eternal life does not mean to believe in the Jesus Christ but rather to keep thy commandments;- According to the bk of Matthew 19:17 -"Why ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. But to answer your question--if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments." Another contradiction you quoted from the book of John, where God supposedly states that he gave is one and "only" son, In the bible God calls different people his sons and i'll quote 2 instances where he calls Solomon and David his son. 1 Chronicles, chapter 17: verse 13;- (God is being quoted as speaking to Nathan, regarding David) 13: I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son; I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from him who was before you, Again in the same chronicles,1 Chronicles, chapter 28: verse 6:- (Here, David is being quoted) He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. I can go on and on and on. Finally, regarding the brackets in the quran, The reason why you don't find brackets in the bible is because the bible is already translated and revised (which also had given room for scribes while translating the bible to corrupt it). Remember, jesus never spoke english and 99.9% of all christians have never read the bible in the original version because it was written in latin or aramaic or hebrew (i can't remember). BUT regarding the quran, its still in the original version of arabic and even though its been translated to different languages, the original arabic version as revealed is available in all mosques around the world for anyone to read, and you'll never find brackets in them. |
davidylan:dear davidylan, same here! Under islamic belief, the murderer will also face spiritual death in hell if the murderer does not repent before death comes. But instead of using the secular laws of the society on earth, we submit ourselves to the shari'ah law. The secular law is man-made, and no man-made law can ever be superior to GOD's law revealed to moses (as contained in the old testament) or revealed to muhammed(saw) contained in the shari'ah law. You see, when a nation is obedient to GOD, the good and bad people of that nation should submit themselves to the law of GOD and not a secular law made by man. If you truly believe in the supremacy of GOD, you will agree with me that even though you believe that the law of Grace is supreme over moses' law, you definitely cannot believe that the secular (man-made) law is supreme over GOD's law revealed to moses(as). davidylan:There are many so called muslims that are hypocrites, but truly islam has no iota of hypocrisy. I hear some so called muslims in the northern part of Nigeria force religion on non-muslims but that doesn't mean that's what the quran preaches. It's just like saying; because some pastors & priests supported gay marriages in america and europe, that means christianity and the bible supports it, NO! |
davidylan:Being under the law of grace does not absolve you from punishment if you sin. According to your apostle paul from the book of romans 6:14-16;- For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? So according to apostle paul, a christian is only under the law of grace as long as he's obeying God (slave to obedience), So this still leaves my question unanswered;- WHICH LAW DO YOU USE TO PUNISH THE MURDERER, RAPIST, FORNICATOR ETC ETC or is a murderer living under the law of grace too ? ![]() davidylan:Allah is not eager to dispatch anyone. In fact, the quran states that no one should force another person into religion as truth stands clearly from falsehood:- There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut (false deities, false religion, etc) and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256) |
bright007:Etymology is the study of the history and origin of Words. This has nothing to do with the moon. And no muslim worships the moon talkless of the prophet muhammed(saw); as the quran stated:- And from among His(Allah's) Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. ( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #37) Yes, you're right, the prophet Muhammed(saw) did not know the next few seconds, neither did jesus(as) nor any of the prophets, angels or jinns, but allah revealed the future to the prophets according to what allah wanted them to know. According to many verses in the bible, jesus(as) did not know the next few seconds:- Jesus went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it. "Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46) Only Allah alone knows the next few seconds, as stated in the glorious quran;- Verily Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things). ( سورة لقمان , Luqman, Chapter #31, Verse #34) |
Judek2:Really! SO TELL ME, IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF MOSES, HOW DO YOU JUDGE THE MURDERER, despoiler, ARMED ROBBER, FORNICATOR; HOW DO YOU SETTLE DISPUTE OF INHERITANCE, MARRIAGE, DIVORCE, CIRCUMCISION, BURIAL RIGHTS, NAMING CEREMONY, BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS, TITHES TO THE CHURCH , ETC, because YOU CAN'T FIND LAWS CONCERNING ALL THESE IN THE NEW TESTAMENTMuslims follow the law of Allah (GOD) which is was the same law given to Moses(as) before the jewish rabbis corrupted it and GOD then revealed the laws again to Muhammed(saw) in the quran. And Moses (as) did not write their laws, it descended to him from God in the form of taurah (i.e. testament) All God's law include judgement during war and also peace. There'll always be war and peace, just as there's good and evil; paradise and hell. Islam has laws pertaining to everything i mentioned above and much more. This is why ISLAM is the only religion acceptable by GOD. Christianity and Judaism will be rejected by God on judgement Day because you all follow your desires and not your prophets. And the quran states;- And whoever seeks a religion other than islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers . ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #85) |
PAGAN 9JA:@pagan9ja. I feel and understand your plight . But the truth is that you cannot judge islam based on the actions of certain groups who call themselves boko haram, al qaeda etc etc. Because certain people claim to be muslims and go about bombing churches and killing christians doesn't mean Islam preaches so, just like we cannot conclude that christianity supports homosexuality because some priests and bishops in europe and america support it. Islam does not support murder, raping and destruction as you stated earlier. The shari'ah law actually favours the victims (whether muslims or christians) and grants them right to demand (qisas) i.e. equal punishment to the perpetrators. So this means that anybody that commits murder and rape ( whether muslims or christians) must be put to death. |
Judek2:REALLY! Are you saying that criminals should not be punished because we are all sinners? So if i kill and violate your daughter, mother, sister and wife, i should be set free? That isn't a smart preposition, is it? Even, jesus(as) said, according to the bk of Matthew 5:17, he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. Matthew 5:21; "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' exodus 21:24; eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Deut 19:21; Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Leviticus 20:10; And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:12; And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them. |
Yes, according to the quran Mary(maryam) was a virgin and allah commanded the holy spirit (angel jubril) to blow under her sleeve. Please do not make fun of her because she's one of the foremost women in paradise. All the first sets of living creatures allah created on earth neither had a mother nor father, so it's easier for allah to make jesus(as) only have a mother and not father. As the quran states;- And she who guarded her virginity [Mary]: We breathed into her [through Our Ruh - Gabriel], and We made her and her son [Jesus] a sign for mankind and jinn. ( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #91) And mary, the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity. And We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibril (Gabriel) ], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord, and His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitun (obedient to Allah) . ( سورة التحريم , At-Tahrim, Chapter #66, Verse #12) She (Mary) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47) She(mary) said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?" ( سورة مريم , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #20) |
plappville:Muhammed(saw) did not bring Islam, islam was already existing. Islam is the only religion ordained by Allah(God) since the time of Adam. All prophets and messengers of God numbering over 124,000 were all Muslims including adam, noah(nuh), lot(lut) abraham(ibrahim), ishmael(ismail), ishaq(isaac), jacob(yakub), the 12 children of israel(sons of yaqub), solomon(suleiman), david (dawud), zacherius(zakariya), john the baptist (yahya), moses(musa), jesus (issa) and muhammed(saw); They all were muslims submitting to the WILL and worship of the one true GOD (allah). And this (Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob) (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as muslims - Islamic Monotheism)." ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #132) Say, "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Îsa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)." ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136) Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun . ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #67) |
onye_ngbu*:Do you mean Zamfara, kano, kaduna, sokoto, jigawa? Please!!! these are not shari'ah states although they make such claims. By the way, there'll always be perpetrators of evil, shari'ah limits them to the barest minimum. Its just like saying; " How come there're always sick people in the hospital, afterall, people go to the hospital to get cured. |
executinal:I already have a life. THE SHARI'AH ![]() What was implemented in Zamfara was not shari'ah, If there was shari'ah, then Yerima wouldn't have been a governor in the first place. In a shari'ah state, even the governor is not above the shari'ah law. |
When i tell people that shari'ah is the only law that can put things aright in Nigeria, people reply that shari'ah is barbaric, shari'ah is too harsh, shari'ah this, shari'ah that etc etc Shari'ah is God's supreme law and it advocates an eye for an eye, a life for a life, and cut off the hands of the armed robbers whether they be muslims or christians, so why are good people afraid of this law? By the time shari'ah is implemented, it simply means that all ARMED ROBBERS (not petty robbers oh!) who terrorise our neighbourhood at night will have their hands amputate, all solders or police officers who killed protesters will also be killed, all boko haram members who bomb churches will be killed, all thugs who beat up innocent bystanders will also get beaten, all politicians who use their body guards or police escorts to harass us on the streets will also be harrassed, and so on and so forth. REMEMBER, THE TRICK BEHIND THE SHARI'AH LAW IS SIMPLE, AN EYE FOR AN EYE, A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH, AND A LIFE FOR A LIFE, REGARDLESS OF HOW HIGH PLACED THE PERPETRATORS ARE! |
PAGAN 9JA:Your knowledge on the positive effect islam and muhammed(saw) had on arabia is embarrassingly minute if non-existent. I guess you haven't heard of the Golden Age (750A.D - 950A.D) just after the advent of prophet muhammed(saw) and the astonishing achievements of Muslim scholars, scientists, craftsmen, and traders. The territory of the Muslim Empire encompassed present-day Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, North Africa, Spain, and parts of Turkey, all were united under one islamic government and headed by an Amir -ul Muslimeen (referred today as a President or Prime Minister or Head of State) During this period, around the ninth century, Arabic was developed into the language of international scholarship as well as the language of the Divine Truth. During this period, a paper mill was established in baghdad, Iraq. The introduction of this paper, replaced parchment and papyrus, which was a pivotal advance that had effects on education and scholarship as far reaching as the invention of printing in the fifteenth century. It made it possible to put books within the reach of everyone. Let us not forget the "Arabic" numerals, which simplified calculation and made possible the development of algebra. Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwaraznli wrote the first book on algebra. Can u beat that Not forgeting one of the most prominent schools of learning during that period, "Bayt al-Hikmah" where subjects like geometry, mathematics, astronomy, astrology, ethics, mechanics, medicine, physics, philosophy where taught and also the study of scientific instruments and celestial mechanics. Great scholars (teachers) where churned out such as sons of Musa ibn Shakir in the field of geometry and also contributed to works on celestial mechanics which was pivotal in canal construction. We also have great muslims in the field of medicine such as Yuhanna ibn Masawayh who specialised in the field of gynaecology, Thabit ibn Qurrah who specialised in astronomy, Ibn al-Haytham in anatomy, who wrote The Book of Optics, in which he gives a detailed treatment of the anatomy of the eye, etc etc etc |
davidylan:@davidylan, i understand your misconception about islam but the truth is ISLAM TRULY PREACHES PEACE but Islam encourages us not to tolerate evil. Islam also preaches an eye for an eye, a life for a life but if you forgive, then that's better. Don't mind the so called evil people on the land claiming to be bombing in the name of islam, they are inhabitants of hell-fire as the quran has stated. Because many pastors in the western world support lesbianism, does that mean christianity supports it too? Use this statement as a yardstick to judge islam. Don't judge islam on what some ignorant illiterate boko haram members or terrorists are doing; they are going to hell-fire if they do not repent before they die. Read below a quote from the quran;- And make not Allah's (Name) an excuse in your oaths against your doing good and acting piously, and making peace among mankind. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower (i.e. do not swear much and if you have sworn against doing something good then give an expiation for the oath and do good). ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #224) And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peace-makers." ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #11) |
plappville:You keep repeating yourself and i keep answering you. What exactly don't you understand? The hadith you quoted yourself states that the poisoned lamb spoke to the prophet(saw) so why do you keep posting that angel gabriel didn't reveal to the prophet? And i keep on telling you that you cannot base the authenticity of the prophethood of muhammed(saw) on a jewish folktale (if he's a prophet the poison will not kill him). The quran has clearly stated that all prophets where human beings including Jesus(as) but Allah just raised them to position of honour in this world and next. So these prophets get hungry like any one of us, they fall sick, they die etc. And the quran states in many places that the prophets and messengers of God where killed, and that doesn't make them less a prophet;- And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Îsa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel عليه السلام)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and some you killed. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87) |
plappville:You keep repeating yourself and i keep answering you. What exactly don't you understand? The hadith you quoted yourself states that the poisoned lamb spoke to the prophet(saw) so why do you keep posting that angel gabriel didn't reveal to the prophet? And i keep on telling you that you cannot base the authenticity of the prophethood of muhammed(saw) on a jewish folktale (if he's a prophet the poison will not kill him). The quran has clearly stated that all prophets where human beings including Jesus(as) but Allah just raised them to position of honour in this world and next. So these prophets get hungry like any one of us, they fall sick, they die etc. And the quran states in many places that the prophets and messengers of God where killed, and that doesn't make them less a prophet;- And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Îsa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel عليه السلام)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and some you killed. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87) |
plappville:You still don't get it, do you? It's not muhammed(saw) that made all of them muslims, it's Allah! Allah says all the prophets were muslims and all practised Islam. Muhammed(saw) did not bring islam, Islam had already been existing right from Adam(as) and Eve . Islam is the only religion ordained by God. God did not reveal christianity nor Judaism, because Jesus(as) and Moses(as) where Muslims. Neither of them practices Judaism or Christianity as this religion was only revealed after their demise Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah ? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do." ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140) Then when 'Îsa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariyyun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are muslims " ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #52) And will make him [('Îsa (jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. ( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #49) |
brentkruge: |
tomzman:@tomzman, the brackets are for people like you that don't understand arabic. The quran was revealed in arabic language and if you understood arabic then the brackets would not be necessary |
And she who guarded her chastity [Virgin maryam (mary)]: We breathed into (the sleeves of) her (shirt or garment) [through Our Ruh - Jibril (Gabriel)], and We made her and her son ['Îsa (Jesus)] a sign for Al-'Alamin (the mankind and jinn). ( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #91) And We made the son of maryam (mary) and his mother as a sign, and We gave them refuge on high ground, a place of rest, security and flowing streams. ( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #50) And maryam (mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity. And We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibril (Gabriel) ], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" - and he was; that is 'Îsa (Jesus), son of maryam (mary) as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitun (i.e. obedient to Allah) . ( سورة التحريم , At-Tahrim, Chapter #66, Verse #12) |
plappville: |
plappville:BY THE WAY, MUSLIMS DON'T BELIEVE JESUS(AS) WAS CRUCIFIED AS ALLAH DID SEND THE ANGELS TO RESCUE HIM AS ALLAH STATED IN THE QURAN:- And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Îsa (JESUS), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'Îsa (JESUS) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Îsa (JESUS), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام]: ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157) |
Logic Mind:How else do you remove evil people or evil acts from the land? Any body that kills (except for self-defense or mistake) MUST be killed(except the victim grants forgiveness). According to islam, all bombers & terrorists must be killed if they kill christians (or non-muslims) except the non-muslims or christians attack them first and even so, you can only kill the perpetrator themselves and not their families, or brothers or friends or bystanders. And there are many quotes in the quran that states this fact. So if you have a better punishment for the rapists, murderers, bomb blasters, terrorists etc etc other than to KILL them, then let us know |
@PAGAN, read this verse from the quran that Allah(GOD) revealed about the worship of the pagans:- O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought. ( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #73) |
PAGAN 9JA:@PAGAN, you have no proof of what you're saying except to guess(conjecture). And Guessing can never be a substitute for the truth. As the quran has stated in many verses:- No doubt! Verily, to Allah belongs whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth. And those who worship and invoke others besides Allah, in fact they follow not (Allah's so-called) partners, they follow only a conjecture and they only invent lies. ( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #66) And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do. ( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #36) Indeed they did disbelieve before (in this world), and they (used to) conjecture about the Unseen [i.e. the Hereafter, Hell, Paradise, Resurrection and the Promise of Allah (by saying) all that is untrue], from a far place. ( سورة سبأ , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #53) And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (time). And they have no knowledge of it: they only conjecture. ( سورة الجاثية , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #24) |
brentkruge:And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the book (this Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures) . So judge among them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you, ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #48) "Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the book (the Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt. ( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #114) Alif-Lam-Mim-Ra. These are the Verses of the book (the Qur'an), and that which has been revealed unto you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) from your Lord is the truth, but most men believe not. ( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #1) |



. But the truth is that you cannot judge islam based on the actions of certain groups who call themselves boko haram, al qaeda etc etc. Because certain people claim to be muslims and go about bombing churches and killing christians doesn't mean Islam preaches so, just like we cannot conclude that christianity supports homosexuality because some priests and bishops in europe and america support it. 
