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IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 12:04am On Jan 22, 2012
Judek2:
This is the most hillarious of all your posts. Maybe without trying to find out first of what the whole verse is talking about.

The whole verse was speaking about David.
Lets read from verse 29.
ACTS 2:29.
Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day.
30: Therefore being a Prophet, and knowing that [b]God had sworn with an oath to him,that of the fruit of his loins,[/b]according to the flesh, he will raise up Christ to sit on his throne.

The bolded could be traced to God's promise to David in Psalm 132:11.

So, through David's descendants and sons,(of the fruits of his loins), Christ was born.
Yes, Christ was a descendant of David as he fullfiled the old prophecy about him from the small town of Judah, a King shall be born.

So,you proberbly misplaced David with Joseph and you are totally wrong. .
i didn't misplace david with joseph.

If you believe the bk of ACT "according to the flesh"; - this means joseph (descendant of David) impregnated virgin Mary to give rise to  jesus(as) which clearly contradicts the bk of matthew that states jesus(as) had already been raised by the holy spirit before the coming together of joseph and virgin Mary
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 11:36pm On Jan 21, 2012
Judek2:
Firstly, there is no contradiction of how many horsemen there
were. Both 1 Kings 4 and 2 Chronicles 9 state, ", and twelve
thousand horsemen, "


Concerning the number of stalls, You  did not read the text closely enough. It would seem that in 1 Kings, we are told how many horses Solomon had for his chariots --- 40,000 horses.

In 2 Chronicles, we are told how many stalls he had in which to keep his horses and chariots ---
4,000 stalls.


Estimately,it is viewed that he has 4,000 stalls,and 40,000 horses.
Thus, he had 4,000 stalls, 10 horses in each stall, totalling 40,000 horses.
There is no contradiction.
What i see is you making assumptions to defend your bible. You cannot prove this theoritical calculation you just made. I quote the verses again:-

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had (1) forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had (2) four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed
in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.


What is certain in the verses above is that according to the bk of 1kings; there were "40,000 stalls" and according to the bk of 2chronicles; there were "4,000 stalls". This is a clear contradiction for everyone to see regardless of your baseless calculations which you cannot prove from the bible.

As i've said in previous posts, when discussing about religion always stick to facts and quote verses from the bible or quran as evidence and DO NOT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS!

The problem with the bible is that it's not in the original language, people can twist figures and words as they like and get away with it just as they did it in many other versions of the bible. For example, according to the NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION BIBLE, in the bk of 1kings 4:26 it states 4,000 stalls as against 40,000 in all other versions of different bibles;-

According to King James Version Bible: 1KI 4:26 Solomon had four thousand stalls for chariot horses, and twelve thousand horses.

According to New Int'l Version Bible : 1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen

AS I SAID EARLIER, I CAN KEEP ON QUOTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF THESE CONTRADICTIONS IN DIFFERENT CHAPTERS AND DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE INCLUDING THE KING JAMES VERSION, AMPLIFIED BIBLE, NEW INT'L VERSION, AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION, THE MESSAGE, NEW CENTURY VERSION, NEW LIVING TRANSLATION, NEW LIFE VERSION ETC ETC. And all these bibles giving different accounts of events. So how do we know who's lying or telling the truth. That's why allah says in the glorious quran;-

Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #82)
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 10:48pm On Jan 21, 2012
Judek2:
Moses was a Prophet, and the leader of the Isrealites. He made the law for them and also recieved the divine law from God (the ten commandments). The ten commandments has already covered both the spiritual and physical lives,but as human beings,they will always disobey,so he made the law to guide them. So he could be viewed as both ruler and religious leader.

David was a Prophet,agreed. But he was a King also.
He ruled the people mainly according to Mosaic law,so he was a King and a Prophet.

Jesus did not come as a king or ruler in this world,but as an everlasting covenant of God,and to lead people to God. He is a King in the sense that his kingdom is in Heaven and not on Earth. So he cared not on the earthly laws but Gods law which is the commandments. And so he never interfared on their law which Moses gave them.

Mohammad was neither a King nor a Leader, he made himself a Prophet,and as he got stronger, he extended in making laws on people to suit and promote his religion. In view of this, Islam should now be likened more to politics rather than religion, and Islam as a stand of some states politics contradicts a religion of divine link to God. Laws upon laws cannot be divine.

And note, Jesus is the Word of God,as always prophesied by David,and also the Lord of David by David himself,and God. .
Mohammad has succeeded in making him equal to the Prophets and in turn equal to him (Mohammad) or even less in the minds of Muslims. So he is an Anti-Christ.
dear judek2, please stop deviating from the discussion and lets back our answers with evidence from the bible OR quran. ok

The discussion here according to your previous posts is whether the law of moses was man-made or from GOD? According to the bible, the law of moses (which includes law pertaining to politics, social & civil) was from GOD, as also the 10 commandments was from GOD too. And my proof is from the book of Malachi Ch 4 v4;-   

Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I [God] commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.

Dear judek2, if you desire to refute this claim, pls state your evidence from bible texts and stop making assumptions that cannot be proven

1:16 Jacob begat Joseph.
The descendant of a long line of kings was a poor carpenter of Nazareth. As the husband of Mary he was the legal father of Jesus, and Matthew gives his line of descent.
A comparison of the table given by Luke will show that it differs in part from that of Matthew. Between David and Joseph the lists are widely different.

Several views, all possible, have been presented, but the most probable explanation is that Matthew gives the line of Joseph, the legal line, and that Luke gives the line of Mary, the mother of our Lord.

As the Jews regarded only male descent, unless Joseph, the supposed father, was a descendant of David they would not have recognized the genealogy as a fulfillment of the prophecies that Christ should be the Son of David; while Luke, himself a Gentile and writing for Gentiles, was more particular to give the line that shows that Jesus is really the Son of David. If Mary was the daughter of Heli, especially if an heiress, Joseph, by marriage, would become the son of Heli.
That there is no
contradiction between the two tables is shown by the fact that the Jews who best understood
their genealogies never charged it.
Typical! copy and paste article just like most christians do all over the internet. Because you don't understand your bible, you quickly copy and paste any explanation you see on the internet to buttress a point regardless of whether the article makes sense or not, that's why you cannot backup your responses with any biblical verses to. But i'll help you with that now:-   grin

Firstly, there's no where in the entire bible that states Heli as the mother nor father of Mary. The writer of this copy and paste article is just making an assumption.   

Post a verse from the bible to prove me wrong

Secondly, the "comparison table" this writer is talking about can be found in the bk of Luke & Mark showing the Descendants of David. Therefore, if the writer claims that Heli is Mary's Father then what you're saying is that Mary is a descendant of David  grin

If so, give me quotes from the bible to buttress your point
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 6:51pm On Jan 19, 2012
Judek2:
That is why Islam is centered oe Political. Islam is more political than religion.
In the aspect of life, religion should be a link to spiritual life and not dirty political,cos political can not go hand in hand with religion.

So did Mohammad come as a prophet or as a political leader?
Prophet Muhammed(saw) was a prophet, just like Jesus (as), david(as) and moses (as). Religion is totality of Life that covers both spiritual (relationship with God) and physical (relationship with ourselves either politically or civil). And this is evident in the commandments revealed to Moses(as) and in many verses in the old testament and psalms by David

please,provide me a sound proof of how this wonderful book revealed to a wonderful man who was sinless all through his life,and was even taken up alive(according to ya novel),has been corrupted by men. And why it took Allah about 6000 years to realised that his holy book has be corrupted,thereby revealing another to a sinful and lustful man who only have to spread the faith with by war and force.
oh, so many verses in the bible is corrupted that you can't be sure which verse is giving a true account. For example, who's the father of Jesus?:-

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

How many stalls and horsemen did solomon(as) have?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Was virgin mary's impregnation human or ghostly?

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

What were jesus(as) last words?

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" , Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON!!!

The law of Moses was written by Moses, but the commandments was revealed. That s why Jesus based his teachings on the commandments,and not Moses written laws.


If the world follow the commandments, there will be no wars atall. So as we neglet his commandments, he gave us the knowledge and wisdom to provide the laws to suit ourselves ourselves

But if you follow him,you can never be under the man made law. smiley
Once again, you deceive yourself because you have many conflicting verses in the bible pertaining to the law. According to the bk of daniel ch 9 v 10-11:-

"Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets."
"Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him."


Thats what your Allah say, quite interesting.

That sentence is just like the word of a hungry and desperate, deranged man who needs victims,and jealous of others.
Your response is hypocritical, because that verse you lash at is no different from many verses attributed to Jesus(as) in the bible. Like in the bk of john 14:16:-Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 
[quote][/quote]As i round up, i did like to quote this short verse from the quran so that you may ponder on many verses in your bible that contradicts one another and therefore cannot be relied upon:-

And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
(  سورة يونس  , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #36)


Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #82)
Christianity EtcRe: Was Mary Really A Virgin? by ivoice247: 5:39pm On Jan 19, 2012
Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]I understand the Origin of GOD. . . .he's never real in the first place , he's never one big guy hiding above or somwhere in the skies , he's never a father or Creator of everything , he's never one lovely leader. . . GOD was only invented like the way men invent COMPUTER or the AIRCRAFTS .

GOD is the worst thing men have ever invented because nothing about it seem to be real ----- grin grin grin
[/size]
Allah (GOD), The Originator of the Heavens and The Earth, The First Without A Beginning and The Last Without An Ending!

How can you dispute the existence of Allah while you are a witness of how Allah created you in the womb of your mother, how Allah shaped your body, gave you eyes, nose, hands, feet and everything else, then allah commanded the angels to breathe a soul while you're still in your mother's womb or did you create yourself ? Don't you know that everything around you has a someone that created it? Look around you, at your houses built by builders, your furniture built by carpenters, the cars, roads, bridges by engineers, your food by farmers and so on. Look around you again, nothing in this world just appears without a creator, so do you think that the mighty heavens, earth, trees, animals, moon, stars, sun, planets and so on just appeared on their own? Of course Not!

And do not doubt the day of resurrection, when your belief and actions will be judged. You'll be brought forth from the earth just as how the vegetation and the trees come out when you plant the seeds. Have you planted tomato seeds before; don't you see how the tomato sprouts out of the earth full again after you had already eaten it before re-planting the seed in the earth. That's how your body to will sprout out from the earth on resurrection day after it had already been eaten up by the earth and turned to dust. As Allah states in the glorious quran;-

O mankind! If you are in doubt about the Resurrection, then verily We have created you from dust, then from a mixed drop of male and female sexual discharge, then from a coagulated blood then from a little lump of flesh - some formed and some unformed (as in the case of miscarriage) - that We may make clear to you Our Power and Ability to do what We will. And We cause whom We will to remain in the wombs for an appointed term, then We bring you out as infants, then give you growth that you may reach your age of full strength. And among you there is he who dies young, and among you there is he who is brought back to the miserable old age, so that he knows nothing after having known. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down rain on it, it is stirred to life, and it swells and puts forth every lovely kind of growth.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #5)
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 1:55pm On Jan 19, 2012
@goggs. the bold thing is impressive, you're SMART ! grin
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 12:55pm On Jan 19, 2012
tomzman:
Hello Ivoice, long time.I'm back on the laptop now so, let me quickly give you a few of what Christianity has to offer from the bible.Please take note of the bolded parts.
nice to hear from you tomzman, i missed yah too grin

tomzman:
John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”
John 3:16-18 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in Him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.


John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 14:1-3 1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Although Muslims believe in Jesus(as a servant of allah) and his preaching of the gospel, we totally reject the present day bible because it has been tampered with and therefore has too many contradictions, that's why allah revealed the quran to muhammed(saw) telling us who jesus (as) truly was and that he (jesus) practised islam. One of the contradictions in the verses stated above is that of "eternal life". According to many books in the bible, Eternal life does not mean to believe in the Jesus Christ but rather to keep thy commandments;-

According to the bk of Matthew 19:17 -"Why ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. But to answer your question--if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments."

Another contradiction you quoted from the book of John, where God supposedly states that he gave is one and "only" son,   In the bible God calls different people his sons and i'll quote 2 instances where he calls Solomon and David his son.

1 Chronicles, chapter 17: verse 13;-

(God is being quoted as speaking to Nathan, regarding David)

13: I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son; I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from him who was before you,



Again in the same chronicles,1 Chronicles, chapter 28: verse 6:-

(Here, David is being quoted)

He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. 



I can go on and on and on. Finally, regarding the brackets in the quran, The reason why you don't find brackets in the bible is because the bible is already translated and revised (which also had given room for scribes while translating the bible to corrupt it). Remember, jesus never spoke english and 99.9% of all christians have never read the bible in the original version because it was written in latin or aramaic or hebrew (i can't remember). BUT regarding the quran, its still in the original version of arabic and even though its been translated to different languages, the original arabic version as revealed is available in all mosques around the world for anyone to read, and you'll never find brackets in them.
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 4:54pm On Jan 18, 2012
davidylan:
You are absolutely correct that being under grace does not absolve you of sin. Like you rightly pointed out in this very clear verse, you have a choice to make . . . obedience unto righteousness and eternal life or sin unto death. Its your choice.

The huge difference here now under grace is that the murderer is not subject to direct punishment from the body of Christ. The murderer will face the consequence of his own choice after death (spiritual death in hell), it is not my portion to go walking around with a stick to beat the him or the fornicator. The secular laws of society will do their job.
dear davidylan, same here! Under islamic belief, the murderer will also face spiritual death in hell if the murderer does not repent before death comes. But instead of using the secular laws of the society on earth, we submit ourselves to the shari'ah law. The secular law is man-made, and no man-made law can ever be superior to GOD's law revealed to moses (as contained in the old testament) or revealed to muhammed(saw) contained in the shari'ah law. 

You see, when a nation is obedient  to GOD, the good and bad people of that nation should submit themselves to the law of GOD and not a secular law made by man. If you truly believe in the supremacy of GOD, you will agree with me that even though you believe that the law of Grace is supreme over moses' law, you definitely cannot believe that the secular (man-made) law is supreme over GOD's law revealed to moses(as).

davidylan:
Dont you get tired of this apparent hypocrisy?
There are many so called muslims that are hypocrites, but truly islam has no iota of hypocrisy. I hear some so called muslims in the northern part of Nigeria force religion on non-muslims but that doesn't mean that's what the quran preaches. It's just like saying; because some pastors & priests supported gay marriages in america and europe, that means christianity and the bible supports it, NO!
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 12:13am On Jan 18, 2012
davidylan:
We follow the laws of grace sir. That much is made clear in the new testament. If in doubt please read the book of Hebrews.
Being under the law of grace does not absolve you from punishment if you sin. According to your apostle paul from the book of romans 6:14-16;-

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

So according to apostle paul, a christian is only under the law of grace as long as he's obeying God (slave to obedience), So this still leaves my question unanswered;- WHICH LAW DO YOU USE TO PUNISH THE MURDERER, RAPIST, FORNICATOR ETC ETC or is a murderer living under the law of grace too ? lipsrsealed

davidylan:
if this is true then why is allah eager to dispatch to the great beyond those who reject islam? Why cant he just wait to put them in hell later anyway?
Allah is not eager to dispatch anyone. In fact, the quran states that no one should force another person into religion as truth stands clearly from falsehood:-

There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut (false deities, false religion, etc) and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #256)
IslamRe: Muhammad Poisoned By A Jew, Why Must He Die Poisoned, After All He Is A Beloved by ivoice247: 6:22pm On Jan 17, 2012
bright007:
Etymologically,the god Mohammad and his family worshipped before he decided to take his evil ministry to d next level is allah.I hope dat answers your first question.
Also wat do u understand by splitting of d moon?
Now regarding d departure of d greatest of all d prophet dat ever grazed d surface of d earth(JESUS) ,he knew and said it emphatically dat he was going to be crucified and rise d third day.That cannot be said of your idol worshipping purported prophet who did not know his next few seconds.
Eventually he got poisoned as å result of his glutinous appetite and died as å result of complications resulting from d food poisoning.
Let me ask u å question,If he was really å true prophet,shouldn't he have known before he was poisoned?
Etymology is the study of the history and origin of Words. This has nothing to do with the moon. And no muslim worships the moon talkless of the prophet muhammed(saw); as the quran stated:-

And from among His(Allah's) Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #37)


Yes, you're right, the prophet Muhammed(saw) did not know the next few seconds, neither did jesus(as) nor any of the prophets, angels or jinns, but allah revealed the future to the prophets according to what allah wanted them to know. According to many verses in the bible, jesus(as) did not know the next few seconds:-

Jesus went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it.

"Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46)

Only Allah alone knows the next few seconds, as stated in the glorious quran;-

Verily Allah, with Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things).
( سورة لقمان , Luqman, Chapter #31, Verse #34)
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 9:03am On Jan 17, 2012
Judek2:
Stop posing your ignorance here. .

We no longer folow the Laws of Moses, muslims do because you are built on the Bibles old tastaments. Which is mainly to suit the old times of wars and survival. .

Jesus told the people that
"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,"
Jesus knew that the law will no longer suit the centuries after the old Prophets. Things has to change.
ofcoarse, Jesus did not come to abolish the law,but to fulfil it,to fulfill things written about him and to make an everlasting covenant with us. .

We follow our Lord Jesus Christ, and no more those old,silly and inhumane laws.

The wicked people like muslims follow the old laws,and thats why they are so intolerant and inhumane even on this century of less war and succesion. .

Only the teachings of Jesus can change you people.
Really! SO TELL ME, IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF MOSES, HOW DO YOU JUDGE THE MURDERER, despoiler, ARMED ROBBER, FORNICATOR; HOW DO YOU SETTLE DISPUTE OF INHERITANCE, MARRIAGE, DIVORCE, CIRCUMCISION, BURIAL RIGHTS, NAMING CEREMONY, BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS, TITHES TO THE CHURCH  grin , ETC, because YOU CAN'T FIND LAWS CONCERNING ALL THESE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT


Muslims follow the law of Allah (GOD) which is was the same law given to Moses(as) before the jewish rabbis corrupted it and GOD then revealed the laws again to Muhammed(saw) in the quran.  And Moses (as) did not write their laws, it descended to him from God in the form of taurah (i.e. testament)

All God's law include judgement during war and also peace. There'll always be war and peace, just as there's good and evil; paradise and hell.

Islam has laws pertaining to everything i mentioned above and much more. This is why ISLAM is the only religion acceptable by GOD. Christianity and Judaism will be rejected by God on judgement Day because you all follow your desires and not your prophets. And the quran states;-

And whoever seeks a religion other than islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers .
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #85)
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 12:26am On Jan 16, 2012
PAGAN 9JA:
so is all that inventions & learning above, justification for the countless crimes and millions of murders, r.apes, destrution and loot you commited huh angry angry angry angry


islam disgust me more by the day. angry
@pagan9ja. I feel and understand your plight embarassed . But the truth is that you cannot judge islam based on the actions of certain groups who call themselves boko haram, al qaeda etc etc. Because certain people claim to be muslims and go about bombing churches and killing christians doesn't mean Islam preaches so, just like we cannot conclude that christianity supports homosexuality because some priests and bishops in europe and america support it.

Islam does not support murder, raping and destruction as you stated earlier. The shari'ah law actually favours the victims (whether muslims or christians) and grants them right to demand (qisas) i.e. equal punishment to the perpetrators. So this means that anybody that commits murder and rape ( whether muslims or christians) must be put to death.
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 12:10am On Jan 16, 2012
Judek2:
Thats exactly my point, [size=30pt]KILL ALL OF THEM[/size] grin

Now, this is what Jesus said to them,Any among you who has not sinned,let him cast the first stone .They all went away disappointed. cheesy

when sinners kills sinners, who is the Devil shocked !!?
REALLY! Are you saying that criminals should not be punished because we are all sinners? So if i kill and violate your daughter, mother, sister and wife, i should be set free? That isn't a smart preposition, is it? Even, jesus(as) said, according to the bk of Matthew 5:17, he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfil it. 

Matthew 5:21; "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.'

exodus 21:24; eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Deut 19:21; Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.

Leviticus 20:10; And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:12; And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
Christianity EtcRe: Was Mary Really A Virgin? by ivoice247: 11:33pm On Jan 15, 2012
Yes, according to the quran Mary(maryam) was a virgin and allah commanded the holy spirit (angel jubril) to blow under her sleeve. Please do not make fun of her because she's one of the foremost women in paradise. All the first sets of living creatures allah created on earth neither had a mother nor father, so it's easier for allah to make jesus(as) only have a mother and not father. As the quran states;- 

And she who guarded her virginity [Mary]: We breathed into her [through Our Ruh - Gabriel], and We made her and her son [Jesus] a sign for mankind and jinn.
(  سورة الأنبياء  , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #91)


And mary, the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity. And We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibril (Gabriel) ], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord, and His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitun (obedient to Allah) .
(  سورة التحريم  , At-Tahrim, Chapter #66, Verse #12)


She (Mary) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is.
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #47)


She(mary) said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?"
(  سورة مريم  , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #20)
IslamRe: Muhammad Poisoned By A Jew, Why Must He Die Poisoned, After All He Is A Beloved by ivoice247: 6:47pm On Jan 12, 2012
plappville:
Where where Muslims before Muhammed was 40yrs old? what God did the believers worship? U that believed that God existed only when Islam was created. You can keep ut faith but know ye that, all you Muslims are in the wide road that leads to the big gate to welcome you all.
Muhammed(saw) did not bring Islam, islam was already existing. Islam is the only religion ordained by Allah(God) since the time of Adam. All prophets and messengers of God numbering over 124,000 were all Muslims including adam, noah(nuh), lot(lut) abraham(ibrahim), ishmael(ismail), ishaq(isaac), jacob(yakub), the 12 children of  israel(sons of yaqub), solomon(suleiman), david (dawud), zacherius(zakariya), john the baptist (yahya), moses(musa), jesus (issa) and muhammed(saw); They all were muslims submitting to the WILL and worship of the one true GOD (allah).

And this (Islam) was enjoined by Ibrahim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qub (Jacob) (saying), "O my sons! Allah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as muslims - Islamic Monotheism)."
(  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #132)


Say, "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Îsa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."
(  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)


Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun .
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #67)
PoliticsRe: A Soldier Killed This Boy In Benin City this morning by ivoice247: 10:58pm On Jan 10, 2012
onye_ngbu*:
WOW! You nailed it!

Thats why there are no armed robbers, looters or boko haramites in sharia states!
Do you mean Zamfara, kano, kaduna, sokoto, jigawa? Please!!! these are not shari'ah states although they make such claims.  

By the way, there'll always be perpetrators of evil, shari'ah limits them to the barest minimum. Its just like saying; " How come there're always sick people in the hospital, afterall, people go to the hospital to get cured.  shocked
PoliticsRe: A Soldier Killed This Boy In Benin City this morning by ivoice247: 10:12pm On Jan 10, 2012
executinal:
Just thesame way Yerima obeys every bit of the law. go get a life
I already have a life. THE SHARI'AH  grin

What was implemented in Zamfara was not shari'ah, If there was shari'ah, then Yerima wouldn't have been a governor in the first place. In a shari'ah state, even the governor is not above the shari'ah law.
PoliticsRe: A Soldier Killed This Boy In Benin City this morning by ivoice247: 7:00pm On Jan 10, 2012
When i tell people that shari'ah is the only law that can put things aright in Nigeria, people reply that shari'ah is barbaric, shari'ah is too harsh, shari'ah this, shari'ah that etc etc


Shari'ah is God's supreme law and it advocates an eye for an eye, a life for a life, and cut off the hands of the armed robbers whether they be muslims or christians, so why are good people afraid of this law?



By the time shari'ah is implemented, it simply means that all ARMED ROBBERS (not petty robbers oh!) who terrorise our neighbourhood at night will have their hands amputate, all solders or police officers who killed protesters will also be killed, all boko haram members who bomb churches will be killed, all thugs who beat up innocent bystanders will also get beaten, all politicians who use their body guards or police escorts to harass us on the streets will also be harrassed, and so on and so forth.



REMEMBER, THE TRICK BEHIND THE SHARI'AH LAW IS SIMPLE, AN EYE FOR AN EYE, A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH, AND A LIFE FOR A LIFE, REGARDLESS OF HOW HIGH PLACED THE PERPETRATORS ARE!
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 5:14pm On Jan 09, 2012
PAGAN  9JA:
your muhammad didnt do any good for the Arab tribes. 1400 yrs later until 40 yrs back, before the discovery of oil, the Arab tribes were still fighting against each other and raiding camels in the Gulf regions of the the UAE, Oman, Yamen and the Hadhramut region, where the pure Arabs live. your muhammad didnt unite them. then what good is your religion huh atleast before islam they only fought amongst themselves. but after islam, they went on to terrorize peoples from Iran, to the far-East and North Africa. your muhammad made the situation worse a 100 times. angry

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Your knowledge on the positive effect islam and muhammed(saw) had on arabia is embarrassingly minute if non-existent. I guess you haven't heard of the Golden Age (750A.D - 950A.D) just after the advent of prophet muhammed(saw) and the astonishing achievements of Muslim scholars, scientists, craftsmen, and traders. The territory of the Muslim Empire encompassed present-day Iran, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine, North Africa, Spain, and parts of Turkey, all were united under one islamic government and headed by an Amir -ul Muslimeen (referred today as a President or Prime Minister or  Head of State)

During this period, around the ninth century, Arabic was developed into the language of international scholarship as well as the language of the Divine Truth.

During this period, a paper mill was established in baghdad, Iraq. The introduction of this paper, replaced parchment and papyrus, which was a pivotal advance that had effects on education and scholarship as far reaching as the invention of printing in the fifteenth century. It made it possible to put books within the reach of everyone.  grin

Let us not forget the "Arabic" numerals, which simplified calculation and made possible the development of algebra. Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwaraznli wrote the first book on algebra. Can u beat that  shocked

Not forgeting one of the most prominent schools of learning during that period,  "Bayt al-Hikmah" where subjects like geometry, mathematics, astronomy, astrology, ethics, mechanics, medicine, physics, philosophy where taught and also the study of scientific instruments and celestial mechanics. Great scholars (teachers) where churned out such as sons of Musa ibn Shakir in the field of geometry and also contributed to works on celestial mechanics which was pivotal in canal construction

We also have great muslims in the field of medicine such as Yuhanna ibn Masawayh who specialised in the field of gynaecology, Thabit ibn Qurrah who specialised in astronomy, Ibn al-Haytham in anatomy, who wrote The Book of Optics, in which he gives a detailed treatment of the anatomy of the eye, etc etc etc
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 4:15pm On Jan 09, 2012
davidylan:
Islam indeed is peace.
@davidylan, i understand your misconception about islam but the truth is ISLAM TRULY PREACHES PEACE but Islam encourages us not to tolerate evil. Islam also preaches an eye for an eye, a life for a life but if you forgive, then that's better. Don't mind the so called evil people on the land claiming to be bombing in the name of islam, they are inhabitants of hell-fire as the quran has stated.

Because many pastors in the western world support lesbianism, does that mean christianity supports it too? Use this statement as a yardstick to judge islam. Don't judge islam on what some ignorant illiterate boko haram members or terrorists are doing; they are going to hell-fire if they do not repent before they die. Read below a quote from the quran;-

And make not Allah's (Name) an excuse in your oaths against your doing good and acting piously, and making peace among mankind. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower (i.e. do not swear much and if you have sworn against doing something good then give an expiation for the oath and do good).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #224)


And when it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peace-makers."
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #11)
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 11:27pm On Jan 08, 2012
plappville:
The Angel Gabriel that have been giving him his revelations suddenly could not showed him he was a bout to be poisoned  undecided
If not that The quran writer that could ve revealed Muhammed falsehood was kill. U all will not be making empty noises here.
The man could suggest edit in muhammeds revelation, and Muhammed will accept, he then said to himself, a divine revelation cannot be modified, this made he left Islam. Muhammed see him as a treat to Islam he then killed him. What a Prophet like others indeed!
You keep repeating yourself and i keep answering you. What exactly don't you understand? The hadith you quoted yourself states that the poisoned lamb spoke to the prophet(saw) so why do you keep posting that angel gabriel didn't reveal to the prophet?

And i keep on telling you that you cannot base the authenticity of the prophethood of muhammed(saw) on a jewish folktale (if he's a prophet the poison will not kill him). The quran has clearly stated that all prophets where human beings including Jesus(as) but Allah just raised them to position of honour in this world and next. So these prophets get hungry like any one of us, they fall sick, they die etc. And the quran states in many places that the prophets and messengers of God where killed, and that doesn't make them less a prophet;-  

And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Îsa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel عليه السلام)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and some you killed.
(  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 11:06pm On Jan 08, 2012
plappville:
The Angel Gabriel that have been giving him his revelations suddenly could not showed him he was a bout to be poisoned undecided
If not that The quran writer that could ve revealed Muhammed falsehood was kill. U all will not be making empty noises here.
The man could suggest edit in muhammeds revelation, and Muhammed will accept, he then said to himself, a divine revelation cannot be modified, this made he left Islam. Muhammed see him as a treat to Islam he then killed him. What a Prophet like others indeed!
You keep repeating yourself and i keep answering you. What exactly don't you understand? The hadith you quoted yourself states that the poisoned lamb spoke to the prophet(saw) so why do you keep posting that angel gabriel didn't reveal to the prophet?

And i keep on telling you that you cannot base the authenticity of the prophethood of muhammed(saw) on a jewish folktale (if he's a prophet the poison will not kill him). The quran has clearly stated that all prophets where human beings including Jesus(as) but Allah just raised them to position of honour in this world and next. So these prophets get hungry like any one of us, they fall sick, they die etc. And the quran states in many places that the prophets and messengers of God where killed, and that doesn't make them less a prophet;-

And indeed, We gave Musa (Moses) the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers. And We gave 'Îsa (jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), clear signs and supported him with Ruh-ul-Qudus [Jibrael (Gabriel عليه السلام)]. Is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some you disbelieved and some you killed.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 10:53pm On Jan 08, 2012
plappville:
So if these people authomatcally became muslims because Muhammed made them to. Then, why did islamic dotrine contradict the bible that Even Jesus used during him days. Jesus always refare back to the old testament. U muslims, are really blind to believe a self claimed prophet. The worse is that, u even compare him with the bible Prophets.
I just pity u. Tell me, how many sick people did Muhammed healed? Why was he tested by poision and he failed?
Didnt u know tha Satan tested Jesus? Job and others? Just to prove if they are of God. Muhammed's case is even a woman, satan give and take, he gave Muhammed influence to conqare and later asked him to pay back with his life.
That is the prove by the Woman. How faible Muhammed was.!
You still don't get it, do you? It's not muhammed(saw) that made all of them muslims, it's Allah! Allah says all the prophets were muslims and all practised Islam. Muhammed(saw) did not bring islam, Islam had already been existing right from Adam(as) and Eve . Islam is the only religion ordained by God. God did not reveal christianity nor Judaism, because Jesus(as) and Moses(as) where Muslims. Neither of them practices Judaism or Christianity as this religion was only revealed after their demise

Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah ? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)


Then when 'Îsa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariyyun (the disciples) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are muslims "
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #52)


And will make him [('Îsa (jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #49)
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 6:41pm On Jan 08, 2012
brentkruge:
Among the Koranic writers were some nominal Christians who gave the Koran its sense of wrapped history

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 814: Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say:[b] "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." He obviously couldnt reconcile and stomach what he was hearing. Later Muslim invented the story that the earth rejected his body after death. The only person the earth "dealt" with so ie God himself handled it. The rest of course Mohammed had killed!

Allah has already made this situation clear in the quran. This christian was a liar who lied on muhammed(saw) as this christian was not an arab and did not understand arabic so how could someone that does not understand arabic claim to have written the quran in arabic for the prophet(saw). The quran states:-

And indeed We know that they (polytheists and pagans) say: "It is only a human being who teaches him (Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم)." The tongue of the man they refer to is foreign, while this (the Qur'an) is a clear Arabic tongue.
(  سورة النحل  , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #103)


Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605: Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic. Waraqa asked, "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."[/b]

Yet Mohammed later commanded his followers to kill the very people he  relied on to authenticate his messages, the people he claimed corrupted the gospel. If poor Waraqa had known better, he would have instantly recognized the warning in the gospel that angels of darkness shall masquerade as angels of light and led astray many.

The prophet (saw) defended himself and only waged war on those that attacked him and his followers. As allah states in the quran;-

And it is not your wealth, nor your children that bring you nearer to Us , but only he who believes, and does righteous deeds ; as for such, there will be two fold reward for what they did, and they will reside in the high dwellings (Paradise) in peace and security.
(  سورة سبأ  , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #37)


Have you ever wondered where those poor copies of the old testament found themselves in the Koran? Now you know!

grin are you saying prophet muhammed(saw) copied the old testament. The first arabic version of the bible was in 1000A.D, the quran had already been revealed to the prophet muhammed(saw) at around 667A.D in arabic. The prophet(saw) only understood arabic and no other language
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 6:16pm On Jan 08, 2012
tomzman:
Clap for yourself grin.You only dealt with an aspect of the challenge and left the other.But don't worry, I'm browsing with my phone now,when I'm on the laptop I'll take care of the other aspect.By the way,have you tried reading those verses in your post (and indeed the quran) without the brackets i.e ignore the brackets and read.What do you discover?.
@tomzman, the brackets are for people like you that don't understand arabic. The quran was revealed in arabic language and if you understood arabic then the brackets would not be necessary
Christianity EtcRe: Was Mary Really A Virgin? by ivoice247: 3:41am On Jan 06, 2012
And she who guarded her chastity [Virgin maryam (mary)]: We breathed into (the sleeves of) her (shirt or garment) [through Our Ruh - Jibril (Gabriel)], and We made her and her son ['Îsa (Jesus)] a sign for Al-'Alamin (the mankind and jinn).
( سورة الأنبياء , Al-Anbiya, Chapter #21, Verse #91)


And We made the son of maryam (mary) and his mother as a sign, and We gave them refuge on high ground, a place of rest, security and flowing streams.
( سورة المؤمنون , Al-Mumenoon, Chapter #23, Verse #50)


And maryam (mary), the daughter of 'Imran who guarded her chastity. And We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibril (Gabriel) ], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: "Be!" - and he was; that is 'Îsa (Jesus), son of maryam (mary) as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitun (i.e. obedient to Allah) .
( سورة التحريم , At-Tahrim, Chapter #66, Verse #12)
IslamRe: Muhammed Imagined That Abraham Built The Kaaba! by ivoice247: 3:31am On Jan 06, 2012
plappville:
Did Abraham Build the Kaaba?



Nothing is more important to the foundations and development of Islam than the re-casting of Biblical personalities into newly assigned roles as devout Muslims. Shaping Israelite patriarchs into ancient Muslims who worshiped Muhammad’s god is step one. Turning the Lord Christ into a minor image of Muhammad was step two, and worldwide conquest which wars against the soul is now a real possibility [Peter 2:11; Revelation 11:7, 12:7]. While the claims against the Bible are similar to those put forward in Mormonism, and falsified just as easily, both Muslims and non-Muslims need to be reminded that the books of the Bible are the measuring stick to evaluate the historicity and integrity of Muhammad’s often fictional portrayals of these ancient and important people.

Yes, all the prophets including noah, lut, abraham(as), david, ishmael, ishaq, zakariya, john the baptist, jesus(as), muhammed(saw) were muslims. How can abraham have been a jew or christian, when judaism and christianity only came after Moses and jesus(as). As Allah stated in the quran:-

O people of the Scripture (Jews and christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim (abraham), while the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #65)


Ibrahim (abraham) was neither a Jew nor a christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105) .
(  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #67)




Why did the Kaaba play a central role in Muhammad’s fantasies? While no historical facts support his claims, Muslims are seldom deterred. Islam is built upon the notion that Abraham was not only a Muslim [Q. 2:31] but that he was selected by Allah to build the Kaaba in Mecca [Q. 2:125-127], and that while doing so he established the rituals and beliefs which are the cornerstones of Islamic worship. The pagan origins and practices of the Kaaba will not be discussed here, only the patriarchal journeys and the Islamic corruption of the Bible’s texts. Muslims claim that Mecca and the Kaaba are the centers of worship for the entire world. Christians and Jews know that it is Jerusalem, where lays the chief cornerstone of Yahweh's kingdom [Psalm 102:16; I Peter 2:6]. The City of David [Zion] is mentioned nearly 50 times in the Bible as the home of God's people [Isaiah 10:24] and where the hosts will reign [Isaiah 24:23]. Are Muslims going to tell us that these references are corruptions in the texts and that Mecca was the intended city the whole time? Hardly even remotely plausible.

Quoted in this biblical verse, the mention of valley of baca refers to Mecca
Psalms 84:5-6:- Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage. As they pass through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs: the autumn rains also cover it with pools. 

The Kaaba in Mecca is without equal in veneration in Islamic tradition, and had been revered by Arab pagans long before Muhammad’s birth. The Muslim religion holds that the Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael after hearing a direct revelation from Allah. This seems improbable. After all, once Allah guides a people on the right course and provides a mode of conduct for worship through a chosen Prophet, Allah does not then lead them astray into confusion or an inability to see the right course [Q. 9:115]. How is it then that such a man as Abraham would be sent to Mecca to deliver the people from polytheism and build the Kaaba only to later have them fall into apostasy and disbelief, needing yet another prophet in the 7th century A.D.? Abraham being in Mecca is just not consistent with important Islamic doctrines, and a myth. For example, in Q. 2:125 the Kaaba is being purified [Ar. 'tahara'], yet in Q. 2:127 the foundation are still being raised [Ar. Rafa'a]. Depending on the traditions being reviewed, the Kaaba was built by Allah or maybe Adam or possibly Abraham. But, is it true?


Moses many atimes preached and tried to guide the children of Israel to righteous but every time he tried the israelites always fell back into apostacy and disbelief. Even after much preaching, they still worshipped the golden calf.


Isaac is later weaned and tension again increases between Sarah and Hagar. Sarah pleaded with Abraham to cast Hagar out, and the following morning she was given bread, a water skin and her son. She then wandered into the wasteland of Beer-Sheba, in southern Canaan [Genesis 21:8-21]. In these passages, God addresses Abraham and calls Hagar the ‘maidservant’ [Hb אמה 'amah' not ‘wife’ as in 16:3; compare the Latin Vulgate where in 21:8-12 ‘ancilla‘ is ‘maidservant’ or ‘female slave’ ]. Hagar had lost any status she may have earlier enjoyed, so her status as a wife at all can be questioned.

Genesis 16:3:-  So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.


Eventually, Ishmael settled in the Wilderness of Paran, and took an Egyptian wife. Just where is the Wilderness of Paran, and does it, as Muslims claim, include the lands far to the south in the Hijaz? Let’s again look at our atlas. Paran is an ill-defined term in the Old Testament, suggesting that outside of it being a place on the route of the Exodus [Numbers 12:16], the region had very little geographical or theological importance to the Israelites. There is no prophetic scripture suggesting that a prophet would come from the Wilderness of Paran, nor a promise of prophetic license promised to Hagar or her descendants [Gen 16:7-16]. It is also worth noting that God spoke to Hagar, never to Ishmael. Very curious.

Genesis 21:18:- Get up, lift up the boy(ishmael), and hold him in your hand. For I will make him a great nation.”

Genesis 21:20-21;- God was with the boy(ishmael), and he grew. He lived in the wilderness, and became, as he grew up, an archer. 21:21 He lived in the wilderness of Paran. His mother took a wife for him out of the land of Egypt.

Genesis 16:9-10:-  The angel of Yahweh said to her(Hagar), “Return to your mistress(sarah), and submit yourself under her hands.” 16:10 The angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly multiply your seed, that they will not be numbered for multitude.

Deut 33:1-2:- This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death. He said:
   “The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with[a] myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.
IslamRe: Muhammad Poisoned By A Jew, Why Must He Die Poisoned, After All He Is A Beloved by ivoice247: 6:06pm On Jan 05, 2012
plappville:
U are a true radical Muslim, the hadith u are hiding id the one after the Quran if i am not mistaking, u are rejecting it because, it tells the truth about Muhammeds and Islam laws. U denied it, but your Co-muslim claim its the good one. So tell me, are they many dodies in Islam? which one is higher than the
other then?

Yes, there are some bodies in islam that don't believe in many hadith contained in sahih bukhari, and the ones you quoted are some hadith that LagosShia doesn't believe in. 

Feeling the effect is same as diying as a result is same thing. The poison distroyed his body system, even though he suvivied it several yrs with medication. Poisonous pains, are periodic, not all poison persist. many people today are living with poison in their body, of course they do normal things like everyone, but they may not ve hope of living longer.

You're still making assumptions. According to all the hadith you quoted earlier in the thread, the posion was to get rid of him by killing him if he wasn't a prophet or he be warned if he was a prophet. And the undeniable fact was the poisoned lamb warned him by speaking to him and  he wasn't killed nor gotten rid of as he later went on to conquer Mecca with 10,000 men and islam spread even wider than before the poisoning and Islam is still spreading. So what did the jewish woman get rid off?

Secondly, the fact is the prophet died 3yrs later when God ordained him to die and was granted a choice of paradise or to stay on earth. The fact too is that he felt pains attributable to the poison but To say he died of the poison is an assumption which you cannot substantiate with the hadith you quoted

This unfounded claim resembles the ones the jews claim against jesus(as). Till today, the jews still believe jesus(as) was not a prophet neither a messiah that's why they killed him and got rid of him. But you and i know that's not the fact. abi?

Jesus death was predicted, the Jews did not pretendingly planed his death, they openly did, and Jesus could ve rebuked them if he wishes, because there was no concret allegations, but everything has to go accordlly.

You see, you even make assumptions in your own faith that jesus(as) predicted his own death. Please lets stick to the facts. According to the bk of mathew, he difinitely didn't want to die. See verse below


mathew 27:46;-  And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?   

Matthew 26:39;- "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will."

John The Baptist death was as a result of oat, It was a must for Aarod to fulfill his promise. Both Christ and John were did not suffer poisonous pains before thier death. And they were both killed by men with physical strenght.
This has nothing to do with Muhammed dieing in a woman's lap (Aisha) and poison by a woman.

Your comparison here is baseless and i see you are just discussing without logical facts. Are you saying because the prophet (saw) died on (aisha's) his wife's lap makes him a false or lesser prophet. Are we then to say; because jesus(as) was crucified makes him a lesser prophet than the prophets that came in the past that were not crucified nor killed.
BY THE WAY, MUSLIMS DON'T BELIEVE JESUS(AS) WAS CRUCIFIED AS ALLAH DID SEND THE ANGELS TO RESCUE HIM AS ALLAH STATED IN THE QURAN:-

And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Îsa (JESUS), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'Îsa (JESUS) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Îsa (JESUS), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام]:
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
IslamRe: What Will Muhammad Do? by ivoice247: 4:33pm On Jan 05, 2012
Logic Mind:
Kill
Kill
Kill
Kill
Kill

The mad god.
How else do you remove evil people or evil acts from the land? Any body that kills (except for self-defense or mistake) MUST be killed(except the victim grants forgiveness). According to islam, all bombers & terrorists must be killed if they kill christians (or non-muslims) except the non-muslims or christians attack them first and even so, you can only kill the perpetrator themselves and not their families, or brothers or friends or bystanders. And there are many quotes in the quran that states this fact.

So if you have a better punishment for the rapists, murderers, bomb blasters, terrorists etc etc other than to KILL them, then let us know
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 4:11pm On Jan 05, 2012
@PAGAN, read this verse from the quran that Allah(GOD) revealed about the worship of the pagans:-

O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): Verily those on whom you call besides Allah, cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatches away a thing from them, they will have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #73)
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 4:08pm On Jan 05, 2012
PAGAN  9JA:
you will also tend to notice that in the old religions, even the Gods sometimes become mischieveous or evil. with the devils and demons, at times they too become good. this because the forces in the cosmos must be balanced.
@PAGAN,  you have no proof of what you're saying except to guess(conjecture). And Guessing can never be a substitute for the truth. As the quran has stated in many verses:- 

No doubt! Verily, to Allah belongs whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth. And those who worship and invoke others besides Allah, in fact they follow not (Allah's so-called) partners, they follow only a conjecture and they only invent lies.
(  سورة يونس  , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #66)



And most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Certainly, conjecture can be of no avail against the truth. Surely, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
( سورة يونس , Yunus, Chapter #10, Verse #36)

Indeed they did disbelieve before (in this world), and they (used to) conjecture about the Unseen [i.e. the Hereafter, Hell, Paradise, Resurrection and the Promise of Allah (by saying) all that is untrue], from a far place.
(  سورة سبأ  , Saba, Chapter #34, Verse #53)


And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (time). And they have no knowledge of it: they only conjecture.
(  سورة الجاثية  , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #24)
IslamRe: The Fraud of Islam by ivoice247: 3:58pm On Jan 05, 2012
brentkruge:
“If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties”—Francis Bacon (1561-1626) 



Who is the author(s) of the Muslim Holy Book - the Quran?
And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the book (this Qur'an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Muhaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures) . So judge among them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you,
(  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #48)


"Shall I seek a judge other than Allah while it is He Who has sent down unto you the book (the Qur'an), explained in detail." Those unto whom We gave the Scripture [the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] know that it is revealed from your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #114)


Alif-Lam-Mim-Ra. These are the Verses of the book (the Qur'an), and that which has been revealed unto you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) from your Lord is the truth, but most men believe not.
( سورة الرعد , Ar-Rad, Chapter #13, Verse #1)

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