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mazaje:

He told you he approves of you being his advocate, when?. . . .


God is said to be all powerful and can do all thing by those that put forth the hypothesis, if that is true then he should be able to answer people's questions himself. . .|He won't need you here to be making his case for him if the hypothesis were true. . .

mantraa: @idango
How do you know that you are worshipping the right god?
You did not choose where you were born. If you were born somewhere else you would probably be worshipping a different god.

Have a look at the different imaginary gods that people believe in, than ask yourself if you think your imaginary god is gonna send them all to hell just for being born into a different culture?

AFRICAN GODS
AUSTRALIAN GODS
AZTEC GODS
CARIBBEAN GODS
CELTIC GODS
CHINESE GODS
EGYPTIAN GODS
FINNISH GODS
GREEK GODS
INCAN GODS
INDIAN GODS
JAPANESE GODS
MAYAN GODS
MESOPOTAMIAN GODS
MIDDLE-EASTERN GODS
NATIVE AMERICAN GODS
NORSE GODS
OCEANIC GODS
ROMAN GODS
SLAVIC and BALTIC GODS
SOUTH AMERICAN GODS
SOUTH-EAST ASIAN
TIBETAN GODS

The're all there
http://www.godchecker.com/

all4naija: Your god never explained to you why you are black.So, evolution stands to be closer and more explainable in reality.

maclatunji: Animals and human beings crawled out of nothing and started believing in a God that did not create them? Aren't you boys quite brilliant with your questions and logic.

Keep going around in circles you hear.

The JAMB website goes down every year when results are released. It's a national embarrassment, and it needs to be fixed right away. I bet the JAMB website is going to crash again after the next UTME exam if we don't show them how it's done!

brentkruge:
Now to the main issue at stake  

Can someone show me how this is this not piracy?

Bukhari:V5B59N702 "Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah’s Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqabah pledge with Allah’s Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.'"

brentkruge:
Can someone tell me what this means?

Tabari VII:81 "'What do you think Khattab.' Muhammad asked. 'I say you should hand them over to me so that I can cut off their heads. Hand Hamzah's brother over to him so that he can cut off his head. Hand over Aqil to Ali so that he can cut off his brother's head. Thus Allah will know that there is no leniency in our hearts toward the unbelievers.' The Messenger liked what Abu Bakr said and did not like what I said, and accepted ransoms for the captives."

tomzman:
This doesn't answer any of my questions.Go through the whole of my last post and post your answers or have you run out of answers? 

daroz:
From all indications, the officers will be dismiss, and the son expelled. Full stop

frosbel:
Another LIE , a bare faced one, my am I surprised. !!  Even after I posted dozens of bible verses to support my previous positions and to counter your twisted logic.

In my bible , there is NOTHING , to suggest in the remotest that Mary was the sister of Aaron.

Try another LIE.

frosbel:
I have no time for circular arguments, this subject has been addressed in a response I gave to ivoice247 a few posts up.

Typical Muslims way of debating, you pesent the facts on a particular subject , and they keep asking for a repeat of these same facts , almost as if , they never saw the previous comments you made   , I have no time for games.

This is about your Soul, and if you were to die today without the total forgiveness of your sins , thinking that with all the lies, lust and wickedness , you will be in paradise with Christ , you risk eternal damnation.

Do not kid yourself , this is serious stuff, Satan has you in his net.

And by the way , this is about ISLAM and the fraud of it, why are we talking about the bible, 

frosbel:
And you are right , Aaron was not a prophet he was a priest.

Moses was a prophet.

Again, even the Arab Christians find this rather absurd, so let's leave it here, to avoid causing you further embarrassment.

frosbel:
My goodness  , you have not only murdered the Quran , you have just told a huge LIE.

Can you not see how many lies you must tell just to hold on to a lie.

Mary had no brother called Aaron, even the Arab Christians agree with this, how on earth did Muhammad , who lived about 600 years after Christ , know better than the biblical and Jewish prophets , apostles , church fathers , Arab Christians, who ALL knew that it was Miriam and not Mary who had brothers called Moses and Aaron.

Mary and Aaron live thousands of years apart from each other! Muhammad confused her with Miriam the sister of Moses and Aaron.

Pal , if you are gonna tell a lie, try telling a better one  

tomzman:
You have still not proven your point.I need straight-forward and convincing proof that my Bible is fake or at least where I can get the 'untampered with' Bible from or do you also want to tow the line of LagosShia?.

frosbel:
There is nothing beautiful about ISLAM my dear friend.

All the answers are in the Quran, yet you need Hadiths, various texts and a world full of books , just to explain the smallest and simplest concepts !!

I have a Quran by the way .

Please explain this for me :

Quran mentioned (Quran: 19:28, 66:12, 3:35) Mary (Mother of Jesus) as the sister of Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Imran. This is a grave error of the history. Virgin Mary the mother of Jesus had no brother named Aaron and Mary born almost 1500 hundreds years after the Moses and Aaron was born.

Thanks

frosbel:
Considering the  explanations I have provided with biblical proof with regards the divinity of Christ, the above verse means zilch , especially since Muhamamd was referring to Mary as the sister of Moses, when in fact Mary , this one who born the Christ was born at a later period , centuries later.

frosbel:
Which is, that he started speaking as an infant and breathed life into a bird made of clay which is even more hilarious 

First off, Mariam is not the Mother of Jesus according to the Quran, Mariam was the sister of Moses. Mary was the Mother of Jesus.

Tell me is it not rather strange , that Muhammad was talking to the children of Israel who also do not concur with the trinity 

It was actually Muhammad who had partners, the daughters of allah, Christians believe in 1 God.

He was an ordinary messenger  , and yet he was taken up to heaven and did not taste death , he also performed numerous miracles as the Quran confirms , he also had no sin, and you dare to compare him to that false prophet Muhammad. 

frosbel:
What a dumb statement. Translating from a language into another for easy understanding is such a sensible thing to do, that you make yourself sound silly by suggesting otherwise.

Wonders will never end.

Which is better, reading the scriptures in a language you understand or chanting in an unknown tongue that requires a huge library of books to explain their various and often contradictory meanings.

Nope , if you were not a lazy student , you would have checked the original greek for the original meaning.

Let me educate you a little.

Son in reference to Jesus is written in Greek as :  υἱός

The meaning is -  son , child or son of God, Jesus

What is so difficult about this. 

Stop parotting what your Imams tell you.

The Trinity is found in the bible, check it out for yourself.


All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit - [Matthew 28:19].

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all [2 Corinthians 13:14].

To God’s elect. . .who have been chosen according to the[b] foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ[/b] and sprinkling by his blood [1 Peter 1:1-2].

Also consider the following verses :

And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." (Matt. 3:16-17)

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)

Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

"He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me." (John 12:45)

If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. (Rom. 8:9)

"Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife; for that which has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 1:20)

tomzman:
Guy, did you sit down to think before posting this? Were you not the one who brought the claim that the present day Bible has been tampered with and that there is an original Bible? And now you are asking me to show you where the original or 'untampered with' Bible is.Does that make any sense? It is like a prosecuting counsel asking the defence counsel to prove that his client is guilty. 
Can you see how beclouded your sense of reasoning is? You believe in an original Bible which you have never seen or read.  The present day Bible is enough for me.I have applied the principles in it and they have worked (and are still working) for me.I am satisfied with that.Historically and scientifically, the Bible has been proven to be true unlike the quran which only provide comic relief to scientists and historians.For your info, the Bible has been translated not only into English but also into almost every language so that everyone can read it. So therefore, going by your theory, all those Bibles are also fake abi?

Have you forgotten that we are dealing with a story of 14 verses and not just a verse or statement?.Ok, if we decide to close our eyes to the other verses and pretend as if there is only one verse (verse 17) in that passage then, can you give me a list of 'thy (or the) commandments' that Jesus expects me to follow so as to earn eternal life. 

I can see you are confused.At first, it was 'You must understand arabic' now its 'you must understand a bit of arabic'.

You see, it is not the actual translation that matters but the in depth meaning or/and the message.

A car produced in France comes with a French manual, a car produced in USA comes with an English manual, a car produced in Germany comes with a German manual etc. An illiterate Nigerian mechanic can easily repair those cars without needing to go to any school to learn a bit of those languages nor trying to translate the faulty part into the language he speaks.

He doesn't even need to see the manual of the car.The major thing is for him to know the function of the faulty part and how to fix it.

I see you all have a problem with understanding the concept of Trinity.Well, I won't bother trying to explain to you, because just like Frosbel said somewhere, trying to reason out the deep truths of salvation with an unbeliever is like trying to reason out with a pig, the merits of cleanliness.

tomzman:
Oh I see.The scribes forgot to tamper with those verses  .
Have you read your history books well?.Which one came first, the Bible or Quran.Let's even assume that the present day bible has been tampered with or is not the original Bible as Muslims claim, the next logical questions that comes to mind is Where is the 'original' or 'untampered with' Bible, What evidence do you have to back up your claim?, Why does a book that was 'revealed' from heaven contain verses from a fake or 'tampered with' book?

Alright then.But going by your method of reasoning, since Jesus stated only six commandments in those verses, then it follows that by obeying those six only, eternal life is mine.Right?    

Now, let's practicalise this.You come to me and I say to you 'ivoice, come follow me'.What do I mean?.
You see, this is why many muslim students find it hard to pass English Language and Literature.They always fail to read in between the lines.So, if this passage was given to you in an exam as comprehension and they ask you two questions
1) How can a man inherit eternal life?
2) What in your opinion do you think Jesus was asking the man and his (Jesus) disciples to follow?
      I guess your answers would be like
1) By obeying the commandments
2) The commandments 
   My dear, go through the passage again.Your answers are staring at you in the face.

By implcation, what you are saying is that for me to truly understand the quran and by extension islam, I have to learn arabic so as to be able to read the original quran abi? But do you know that the first book on Accounting was written in Italian.Imagine what it would be like if all Accountants and Accounting students are compelled to learn that language for them to be able to read and understand the book and by extension Accounting.hmm

Two questions.
1) Since you claim those parts of the quran are not referring to the Christians of today, then Christians of which era are those parts referring to?

2) Can you give me the the preachings of Jesus that are not followed by the Christans of today:

brentkruge:
the Qur'an is the central religious text of Islam, which Muslims consider the verbatim word of God. Muslims maintain the present wording of the Quranic text corresponds exactly to that revealed to Muhammad himself: as the words of God, said to be delivered to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel. Muslims consider the Quran to be a guide, a sign of the prophethood of Muhammad and the truth of the religion. They argue it is not possible for a human to produce a book like the Quran, as the Quran itself maintains.

Muslims believe the Quran to be the book of divine guidance and direction for humanity and consider the text in its original Arabic to be the literal word of God.

But the following verse appear to be those of Prophet Mohammed himself:

(Koran 1:1-7)
In the name of the Merciful and Compassionate God.
Praise belongs to God,The Lord of the worlds, the merciful, the compassionate, the ruler of the day of the day of judgement! Thee we serve and Thee we ask for aid. Guide us in the right path,the path of those Thou art gracious to;not to those Thou art wroth with, nor of those who err.

These words are clearly addressed to God, in the form of a prayer. Are they are Mohammed's words of parise to God, asking for God's help and guidance.

Judek2:
Your involvement of Joseph on that verse has twerted its original motive as no how was Joseph been addressed in that verse.

You clearly misinterpreted the word "RAISED", The holy Spirit did not raise Jesus. The verse says [Matt 1:18 cut], , before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost

(E) He will raise up Christ to sit on his throne-
'raise' here simply means to ressurect, and not to give birth as you interpreted it.

goggs:
What is so spectacular in a Prince changing HIS religion? What's the hyperventilating about? Even calling people wh@re and so on. HABA! We have seen Imams become Christians and other prominent  Christians becoming Muslims, heavens didn't fall. How much more of a pampered prince that LagosShia, sweetnecta and co are busting their veins over. PLEASE Y'ALL GROW UP.

Frosbel gave us a story, why attack her calling her names. Was she responsible for the Prince's conversion? her crime is to publish it abi?

tomzman:
This is laughable.You guys believe the present day Bible has been tampered with but there are verses from the same 'tampered with' Bible in your 'holy' quran.You need proof?.Compare surah 5:48 with Exodus 21:23-25, surah 21:105 with Psalm 37:29, surah 16:10-12,15-16 with Psalm 104:10,14,19-20 and Psalm 16, surah 7:40 with Matthew 19:24,Mark 10:25,Luke 18:25.You need more?.

LagosShia also posted this same thing sometime ago.Well, I think you guys generally have a problem of lack of understanding.You both failed to quote and understand the whole story.Let me help you.Here is Matthew 19:17-30

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

Finally, the excuse you gave concerning the issue of the brackets in the brackets in the quran is a lame one.Any book at all that is intended to be relevant to everyone in the world should pass the test of being translated into any language without losing its message.All the versions of the Bible carry the same message and even the ones that contain brackets, when you read the passages while ignoring the brackets, the message is still the same.That is what a Word of God should be like.

i used brackets again

Judek2:
That verse is specifically speaking of the 10 commandments in mounth Sinai,or Horeb.

The Law of Moses is divine,afterall, its through Gods wisdom that he wrote it. But there is one thing,

The law of Moses,and the law of God which is the ten commandments.
Moses did not write the ten commandments,it was fully the hand of God,but he wrote the Law as a constitution to guide the people, if they fail the Commandments.

Jesus wasnt under the law of Moses,because, though it was divine knowledge, its just like a constitution,to be compared to a states law. But he was always under the Law of God,which is the ten commandments,thats why Christians no longer follow the Mosaic law,but Gods law(10 commandments).

This is what Jesus said about the Law of Moses. :
"It was in consideration of your stubborn hearts," said Jesus, "that Moses enacted this law for you;

The law of God is in our hearts,and we dont follow any written law for God,our concience,strong faith,and the Holy spirit is our law.

I also want to touch that verse you presented for knowledge and Prophesy sake.
Malachi was the last of the old Prophets, he made prophesy for a new covenant and in vs 4, urged them to keep the commandments of God,and prophesied about John the baptist and Jesus Christ in vs 5 and 6 of that chapter,which ended the old prophesies.

davidylan:
Is this individual serious at all? Copy paste is characteristic of christians? What a joke. Has he seen the majority of muslim threads here that are simply copy paste of articles from muslim web sites? Is he equally worried about the number of times muslims MUST copy from a webpage just to explain a simple matter in the quran?