₦airaland Forum

UncleJudax:
Foaming huh

It is a brotherly advice. But I don't blame you,,, Nigeria contributed to your freedom but you don't have to appreciate anything.

Wena, hold the ANC accountable. The white farmers are not your major problem.

But you are free to plunge into economic crisis.

Just know we might not be in a position to help you this time.

XhosaNostra:
Is it La Pentola? What is his or her name? Unless he or she worked there after I left, because at the time the only blacks were myself , a girl called Thobile & an Indian guy called Denver. The rest were white. The place is very classy.

I agree with you on the rest. People with an entitlement mindset turn me off big time. Most guys here these days are like that, that I don't see myself ever dating them There's nothing attractive about someone with the mentality of a maggot.

UncleJudax:
I have deliberately refused to call it blank and white thing...but good thing you spelt it out.

I have no plans to talk more than I have done already. But whether you agree or not, South Africa is what it is because of the minority white in the country. Who expert know run the country.

Land redistribution has already been done in small scale in SA (I just said it) and it failed.

Blanks in SA have been in power since the end of Apartheid, but blanks have become poorer.

I guess you will blame the white minority.

You chose to do drugs, rape, not reform the education system , corruption etc...these and more have impaired the empowerment and advancement of SA blanks.

If you like drive the Whites out, it is your problem. Nigeria has its problems...we just don't want you to be like us or even worse.

But again...do your thing...just don't spill over into Nigeria like Cameroon if/when shit hits the ceiling.

Ciao

XhosaNostra:
This redistribution of land without compensation thing is bound to fail. The question we should ask ourselves is, which this has ever been done fairly/correctly in South Africa? I fear it falling to the wrong hands, like the RDP houses that have been sold illegally to foreigners by our very own people. I say people must work for their shìt. Not everything is a white man's fault.

Let me share with you two stories. Where I live, there's a white boy about 12 or 13 years old. Every morning at around 5 am he delivers newspapers. He's brought himself a new bicycle. That is teaching your kid responsibility at a young age, so they will not rely on handouts. Most of us fail at this, which is why we always blame everything on whites. It comes across envious at times, TBH.

2nd story, I used to be a waitress at this restaurant in Villeria. Most of the waiters there were white. They were students at different universities around Pretoria. A guy called Charl worked to pay off a car loan his parents helped to co-sign. A girl called Noleen was working to pay her university fees. Her mother had a drug problem & was in/out of rehabilitation centers, so she was taking care of herself. I get fed up when people adopt a woe is me attitude. Did anyone's forefathers own an estate? Because those are some of the things people have their eyes on. Where is the pride? If people have the capability to do the things they're talking about, then let them start with undeveloped land instead of building shacks in every piece of land they "expropriate". Why do they need ready-made places, which no doubt they will end up thrashing or selling when they realize that the upkeep is more than what they bargained for. I'm not a land owner, but I stand my ground, they deserve nothing. Not even a pot plant or a lawn. You want to own a house? Work for it like everyone else is doing this century. There lies your pride & dignity. There's nothing noble about being a beneficiary or a charity case. It just proves that you're in capable of doing anything for yourself, except whine.

theoldpretender:
Well..here is how land redistirbution destroys economies

1.Many of these farmers took loans to develop their farms. If the farms are seized sans compensation....who pays the loans? Banks lose big time

2.Many of them farmers employ lots ofpeople. Sack the farmers....hundreds , thousands even lose jobs and salaries. And they don't get any of the land...and they may even lose their homes. More unemployed people.

3.Many of these farms produce foods for exports. Seize the farms...the replacement farmers lack the expertise to grow the crops . As a result, exports fall, revenues to govt coffers plummet.

4.Foregin investors won't come into the country...because if govt can suddenly seize yer property without compensation....why should you invest? More jobs lost. More revenue lost.

5.Farmers pay tax. Remove them...that's a substantial bit of your tax base gone. And that includes the farm workers who pay tax as well.(see no 2).

6. Domestic food production is affected...leading to 1) scarcity of crops...economic catastrophe. 2)government has to massively import food to make up the shortfall...loss of forex, plus food prices rise because imported stuff is more expensive than local stuff.

7.People who rely on the big farmers for livelihood...ie traders, some industries,artisans, mechanics, carpenters, etc....also lose out.


It is not that simple...and I say this as someone who wishes that the original owners got their land. But sometimes...economic stability is more important than justice.

XhosaNostra:
Exactly, Jace! It's so sad. I still wonder why the community didn't stop the thieves.

UncleJudax:
You can say what you want. Economically, it makes no sense to take land from a group of people, and redistribute same to others without compensation. Especially when same practice has failed in neighbouring Zimbabwe and even in small scale in South Africa.

BRICS members can only do so much. And if you destroy your economy to a certain level, BRICS may go back to BRIC

Like I said, good luck.

XhosaNostra:
I really don't know. It took R40M to build, but it was gone in just two months. I 1st saw this in one page discussing things happening in the Eastern Cape, on Facebook. I thought it was untrue until people from PE confirmed it. It was called Gqebera High Sschool.

XhosaNostra:
Lol, so people can go slaughter a sheep there? We're slowly going that direction. In Queenstown people took their cattle to city in protest. Where does that happen? It's almost like we're in one of those fabled tales that gogos used to tell near the fire. An entire school was stolen in PE. Stripped down to the foundation. They didn't even leave a nail behind! Poof! Gone just like that! Everything happening at the moment is so unbelievable. Very heartbreaking to watch.

Before & After

UncleJudax:
I am sure Mugabe said same thing back then. He was also anti West. Since 2003 the country has been on a free fall. Now Zimbabwe is at China's messy.


Good luck

chineloSA:
Zimbabweans are useless people with empty pride.

With all the education they always brag about, they cannot put the country together.

They are not the first country to be sanctioned. Cuba and Sudan, was once sanctioned, Iran, NKorea are still sanctioned.

All they know is to run to other countries to do rubbish work with their education.

Initially they used to say Mugabe is the problem, now Mugabe is gone they can't fix their problems.

Useless people with empty pride.

UncleJudax:
South Africa is the going to be the new Zimbabwe with the approved Land expropriation without compensation.

People no de learn

TMKsouth:
Illegal migration & u been gatvol with it. U know mos our brothers here are almost all residing in SA illegally on fake papers.

There's a thread on the Travel section (Best West African Countries to be Nationalised) where they giving each other advise on bribing people to get a Ghanaian passport so they can get into Europe/Asia with it.

I really hope Ghanaians wake up to this trend coz their good passport is gonna weaken once "some people" are done with it. SA passport was similarly weakened in the 2000s bcoz of "some people" obtaining it to enter Europe Visa-free. That's why now u & me need visas to enter some European countries whereas it wasn't the case before.

TMKsouth:
Ooooooo On this forum nogal!

TMKsouth:
Despised Zuma from my teenage years while he was Deputy.

Like much of SA I like Cyril, but not his comrades. I actually think alone he can get like 90% of the vote as in those authoritarian states like Rwanda and them

Truthfully, I don't support any one party. I've voted ANC before (Mbeki years), Cope & DA (Zuma years), right now thinking DA still.

EFF... never.

And u?

TMKsouth:
Thanx Jace.

But we should really thank our black leadership in politics, enterprise and society for ensuring we can walk with our heads held high as South Africans because there are many on our continent who would love to see us fail. Cyril Ramaphosa's address today gave me great hope for the future.

...even though I won't vote ANC

TMKsouth:
Your wishful thinking is a desperate attempt to equate black South Africans with perennial failed leadership in Nigeria.

Corruption & crime were rife during the apartheid era. What do u think apartheid was? Why were whites rich & all the blacks poor? Why were activists killed & all the best land stolen? Why does unemployment remain a structural issue, even when the economy is growing at 6% like in the 2000s.

White business practices are still very corrupt to this day my friend. Look at all the shenanigans of MTN in your backyard there. You just too busy idolising whites & demeaning black SAns. All your brothers come here with that filthy attitude & that's y they don't get along with the locals. U can learn to humble yourselves & to interrogate apartheid for what it truly was & it's lasting legacy (a crime against humanity). And we are not sitting on our laurels praying to God things change, there is genuine action to reverse the trend.

Economy
Jacob Zuma was a disaster for this country but don't conflate his ineptitude with black leadership in general. You say the last 20 years of blacks has been bad for SA?

Didn't Mandela inherit a bankrupt state but subsequently left it in a healthy position? Wasn't SAs economic reputation so formidable during the Mbeki years that the country was invited to join the G20 & BRICS and host the world cup while rolling out the world's largest social housing programme? All things that Nigeria has not achieved.

Is there free social housing for millions in Nigeria? Is there a social welfare system like grants & pensions to cushion the poor? Is there free education & decent universal basic healthcare? You don't have clean drinking water or 24hr power supply. Black leadership brought all these to the majority in SA.

Dude if u suffer from self-loathing as a black person please don't try dragging us down with u. Black South African leadership is not in your league even with its warts and all. It's track record speaks for itself.

Auladimeji1:
I'm only talking about supersport page, those bastard attack Nigeria everyday on Supersport Facebook page

Lordtimothy66:
And funny enough you cant' seemed to create a platform for yourselves. but you're running your mouth here, like a little bltch.

XhosaNostra:
An earbud inside the ear is like a dildò for the ear canal Love it! The feeling is far better than sex imo.

Winning/success or when a plan starts coming together is also...

IronGalaxy:
you are basically saying admitting that white people are better than you and for a country to be better than Nigeria it must have a white population and that Nigeria will never rise from it's current quagmire because it does not have white people. Typical Nigerian mindset. The question then comes, why are Egypt, Algeria, Morrocco, Botswana, Kenya, Gabon, Rwanda etc countries with little or no white population better than Nigeria then? FYI even the basic black South African surbub has better amenities than Lagos can ever dream of. White people much? Stop hiding behind the thumb.

Olawalesmarter:
You are not killing each other but you guys are already walking dead if you don't know

Olawalesmarter:
[s]So those that already have businesses in South Africa should abandon it so that you lazy scum can take over? and We are more than 200 million in Nigeria, is the number of Nigerians in South Africa even up to a Million? and we are not even the only Africans in your country and you guys call every Africans Nigerians because they are the major immigrants and you are talking as if there is no south Africans in Nigeria too and since you guys started your Vampires acts of attacking Africans Nigerians hardly migrate to your country unless they already have business there, and if you are going to say we give a damn about your country i'm sure it is not up to the stage of Obsession, even when you guys were nothing under apartheid government Nigeria Government still helped you guys. We have very high population and it is very understandable that we will spread to many countries, Nigerians is present in almost every countries in Africa doing business because of the Markets and the demand not because your Country is good, even Nigerians can be found in the most poorest Country in Africa ... Nigerians are there doing business whether it is crime they are committing too .... well the money must be made[/s]

Olawalesmarter:
You can deny it all you like but deep down you know Racism is in your country, But let everyone just mind their business

XhosaNostra:
Lol, I remember that.

Ditto! People expect the government to do everything for them & that's not possible. You got to go get it.

XhosaNostra:
Exactly! And by people, meaning people from all over the world. He had his own pull on people, which had nothing to with all these recent stories about him being a sellout. People like Malema are just envious, I think. He likes to say he's not Mandela blah blah blah. Why bring up his name instead of playing your part? TBH, I think he's trying to dim his shine so he can appear brighter. He's an opportunist of note. Why wait for Mandela to die before telling everyone that he sold out? Mnxm.

Mizwisdom:
Why are you running away from the argument, have you ever heard that kids were segregated in a school due to tribalism? It's among the poor that tribalism exists and they still don't make children sit away from each other based on color of skin which is what this is about

XhosaNostra:
LMFAO @ the last part.

IMO, a status is not something you get just because you were involved in something. You have to appeal to people. Have a personal charm. I think Madiba won the hearts of many not only because of past struggles, but also for his humility, philanthropic work etc. Madiba had a presence & that's not something you get by just being popular or being part of something. There're even celebrities today who lack a certain oomph. You either have it or you don't. Sorry that she was overshadowed, but it's not his fault she didn't have the same mesmerizing effect that he had on a lot people. We can't all be stars, some shine brighter than others

Olawalesmarter:
There is Tribalism in Nigeria and i will admit that...... But we still live anywhere we want to and school anywhere we want to without being discriminate against even though there may be occasional disputes and different interests and it is almost all the time due to Political issues. I like your false Knowledge and
your Ignorance about Lagos keep it like that, the reason why i commented that is because of South Africans that troll Nigerians at every opportunity they get

Olawalesmarter:
And who says We give a Rat ass about South Africans? The post got to the front page and we commented on it and most Nigerians commented that they don't even give a damn about it. I should have even mind my own business