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prolog2:
now any fool (like you) feels he can open his mouth.

paxonel:
who is this one talking?

I'm very sure are chatting far away from jupiter

You should keep quiet and ask how an itsekiri king got to prominence in an urhobo dominated land

hopefulLandlord:
What if their development made them support gay rights and abortions not the other way around?

It still proves my point.

paxonel:
I did not say the oba sold slaves. I'm saying that long before the slave trade era, some chiefs around the oba parted the Benin kingdom to form their own settlements outside the region and became obas in those regions, just like oba of benin once migrated from ile ife.
That all these migrations were as a result of the perceived injustice meted to them by the oba which may include some kind of slavery.
really,
How did the olu of warri became oba in warri?

Do you realize that the olu warri in his palace have been doing business transactions(not slave trade)with colonial masters long before christianity was sold to the people by christian missionaries who later came?

Olu of warri migrated from the benin kingdom perhaps out of injustice and unfair treatment. The itsekiris have a lot of similarities with the bibis, especially the red beads they have as their traditional jewlries

Olu of Warri was of no importance to Delta history until military rule in Nigeria.

paxonel:
slavery have been in existence in Africa long before they interact with white men!

I will cite instances where various kingdoms parted from ile ife and other prominent kingships to form their own settlements. These was as a results of injustice.

Today we have the benin kingdom, the oba of Lagos, the warri kingdom which parted from the binis, the aniocha, these are just few.

My brother, Slavery and injustice have been there. The hearts of men were corrupt it's not about whether it was christianity or not.

Get your facts right. The Oba of Benin had servants- he did not sell slaves for money.

Warri Kingdom? Nigga, Warri was shite until the colonial people came. There was no Warri Kingdom. You clearly are not from Delta

paxonel:
as if African traditions never had problems before christianity was brought to Africa?

My friend go sit down jo, you know nothing

You think all Africans are that sentimental?

I love tradition too, but only the good ones and not the bad ones.

Were most tribes selling their brothers as slaves before white Christians came?

Ogbeni, focus on Christianity that is the problem.

enilove:
Those foreign countries had been worshipping God more than 1,500 years ago . Their ancestors were Christians and not idol worshippers , that is why they are where they are today.

If not for Christianity , Africa and Nigeria would not be different from the jungle with primitive people ruling and killing innocent people for sacrifices .

African is where it is now because of its idolatry. It was Christianity that brought education to Nigeria and this little development. Instead of us to cry to God to forgive us for all the innocent blood crying against us , we are blaming Christianity that hates evil and leaving Islam that is killing innocent people in the name of jihad.

When our ancestors were worshipping idols what was the development like in Nigeria ?

See the ignorance that Christianity is causing you?

Europeans were pagans before Christianity.

The European Ancestors worshipped idols before Christianity too.

The Saxons in Britain were pagans before Christianity came. The same Britain that brought Christianity to Nigeria.


Christians also brought western Education to India but they rejected Christianity and they are doing better than Nigeria. They tried to preach Christianity in Japan and they rejected it as well.


Bro, compare countries that support gay rights and abortions with those countries that do not. Try and see which ones are more developed.

paxonel:
you haven't landed your point yet you started by saying someone is inferior. It shows that your belief is actually what is inferior here and i will further prove it.
did i say that christianity was never problematic in Europe and elsewhere?
so, how does this anul the fact that Europeans who brought christianity to Africa years back, have taken time to invest in education and advance industrialization and technology in their countries over the years inspite that many of them believe in the bible and Africans who also believe in the same bible could not do the same in their countries over the years?
Obviously, it was never the bible that was drawing Africa backward, it was their traditional value system that is doing that.
And these traditional value system are seen practiced in African churches today what else do you want to say?
we already know these before

we all know that all these happened in the past. They have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Africans are lagging far behind Europeans and that's the truth,it does not mean that the Europeans did not encounter problems arising from christianity too.

I'm not being inferior by saying this truth.

Can you see now that it is your school of thought that is inferior?

Atheism did not teach you how to understand what others are saying, yet you are jumping to argue with them blindly saying that someone is inferior without landing your point first.

You did not make any single point in your entire comment.

Oga, the point here is that Christianity is a problem in Africa. That was what the op is saying.

You came to claim that the problem is African tradition. Which is a whole lot of nonsense.


Christianity is a problem. Don't defend the religion by blaming African tradition that we barely practice.

weyreypey:
Oh I'm glad that not only me identifies ishilove for what she is

Her own case is truly pitiful. She can judge others but cannot see her own madness for what it is.

paxonel:
Yes,
Christianity and other religions are harmful but only christianity in the midst of the harm brings eternal life to as many who believes in christ.

I wish Africans could understand christianity the way White men have understand it, then there will be no harm at all.

But if we continue to mix christianity with the rotten values of African tradition(as practiced by all churches including catholic, winners chapel, RCCG, deeperlife, mfm, etc) we go continue to see anyhow in Africa and God will not deliver us.

Your inferiority knows no bounds.

So you are now blaming the problems of christianity on African tradition? Is christianity not still problematic in Western Countries? The same christianity that has been abandoned by European countries because of its problems?

In a current study of the UK, 53% of people there say that they do not have any religion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-atheist-no-religion-uk-christianity-islam-sikism-judaism-jewish-muslims-a7928896.html


Christianity was responsible for religious wars in Europe in the past. It was also responsible for
-the burning of innocent women accused of being witches
-the abuse of unnecessary power given to religious clergy (child abuse by priests)
-blasphemy laws
-anti-scientific dogmas eg hatred for evolution
-homophobia

etc

enilove:
Stop lying , that was not a typographical error. How come an illiterate is correcting the litirate ?

Virgin ? How does that fit into this thread ? Well , for your info , I am a married man.

I don't believe you were once a christian.
The truth is, you can be devoted christian and still be a sinner.
You can be a devoted christian and not be born again.
You can be a devoted christian and know nothing about the Bible.
You can be a devoted christian and be on the road to hell.

Did you not read in the Bible that thou shall not kill? Why are you in support of abortion?

There is no sign of Christianity in you. Did you not read what happened to the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible ? I am sure you were never a christian.

You can become anything you like , atheist or satanist, you will face the judgement of God who changes not.

Better repent , I beg you , in Jesus' name.

Ishilove, Enilove. Both names ending in "love". Both monikers are female. Both are religious fundamentalists. Coincidence?



Dear Enilove, your religion of christianity is toxic to the African society. This is something you cannot deny. You can see the damage that prosperity preaching and tithing do in churches today.

Scientific ignorance is another side-effect of christianity. This is why you hate homosexuals and think abortion is immoral. I won't argue much with you. I will only tell you to look at countries where abortion and homosexuality are allowed and compare them to countries where they arent allowed- find out which set of countries are more developed.

Ishilove:
Say no to spoiling. Those who delight in spoiling movies will not see the kingdom of God

See what penury has caused?

If only you could afford to watch movies on the cinema.....

Ishilove:
Go back to your 2 x 4 cubicle? That's laughable. Anyway, read the below-
https://www.nairaland.com/4670536/mental-disorders-dont-know#70184791

Cubicle? No, you are mistaking me for the numerous broke guys you have dated.

I live in a mansion.

Babe, let me upgrade you.

Ishilove:
JackBizzle and wereypey: poster children for BPD. Bipolar Personality Disorder

Lol.....sayeth the religious nutjob.

Ishilove:
See as you just unapologetically spoiled the entire movie

Babe, where have you been? I have been dreaming about our cinema date!

Do you want IMAX or silverbird? Are you a popcorn or cookie person?

After that, we can go back to my place where we can Netflix and chill with red wine and Japanese takeaway.


I know that you have been longing for a real man and not those broke/uncivilised hoodrats you usually date

KoiceReloaded:
Doesn't matter. It only takes a single domino to send a whole pack toppling down. One very dire sequel has the potential to ruin a franchise. Has happened again and again.


There are no guarantees in live. Marvel's good run will eventually end one day, and 2019 Avengers might be it, though I sincerely hope not.


Trailers don't mean sh*t. Most trailers are misleading, and only show the good parts as a rule, after all, they are nothing but marketing gimmicks. Thus, it's unwise to judge an upcoming movie or any movie for that matter by a mere trailer.



I really liked part 1 and 2, and I sincerely hope part 3 won't end up tanking the series.

No problem. I will bookmark your quote so that when your predictions fail, I will be able to ridicule it.

Ishilove:
Timely article. Now i know what ails JackBizzle and wereypey...

Classic projection. You are the one with mental problems. Please, try not to mention me.

KoiceReloaded:
GREAT MOVIES THAT COULD BE RUINED BY 2019 SEQUEL(S)


- Unbroken trilogy: The last part of the trilogy Glass is billed to premiere early 2019, and could well go very wrong, thereby ruining the legacies of the earlier 2.


- Avengers franchise: The newest bit of the Avengers franchise is planned for next year, and could either be force majeure or a colossal f**kup that could ultimately send the whole franchise toppling down.

- John Wick: The last bit (I hope) will be on theaters early 2019, and could be catalytical in the worst possible way.

Ah ah......bro. These movies have sequels that have done well already.

Marvel has never failed with the avengers or its universe.

The first 2 movies in the unbreakable trilogy were great. The trailer for the 3rd movie is mind-blowing.

John Wick is 50/50. The first two John Wick movies were okay. However, the plot is getting stretched thin.

KoiceReloaded:
Case in point of my "Movies ruined by their sequels" post. The sequels sucked so bad that you couldn't even differentiate the much higher quality of the earlier two films from their terrible sequels. Textbook of how a ruined legacy generally works.


Creed is a good movie, but still have miles to go before it can effectively repair the damage inflicted on the epic franchise by the infamous Rocky V. Let's see how Creed 2 will fare.

Whatever. F4ck transformers.

Creed 2 will blow your mind. I promise you.

KoiceReloaded:
Dude, I don't do copy and paste.

Anyone well acquainted with Transformer franchise will iterate to the fact that it went downhill after part 2. It is a well known fact.

You're partly right on Creed as it is connected to the Rocky Balboa franchise technically, when you factor in the Rocky and Apollo Creed angle, but going so far as saying it has revived the franchise is tantamount to being overly optimistic, amigo.

Creed is a massive movie. It got good reviews. I loved it. Creed 2 is out in December.


Honestly, I see transformers 1-4 as the same.

Beorn:
Part 1&2 were way better than part 3 and 4. Part 4&5 were totally disgusting to watch especially part 5 which was the worst of the franchise. After part 2, the franchise started depreciating. I can still watch part 1 to 3 again, but will never watch 4 and 5.

Lol......part 5 was the absolute worst.

But honestly I do not see any difference between 1-4.

KoiceReloaded:
MOVIES THAT WERE RUINED BY SEQUEL(S)

- Karate Kid (1984): A testament that greedy producers milking a blockbuster till the last drop didn't start today. The sequels, Karate Kid 2 & Karate Kid 3 were terrible. and have all but ruined a great legacy. A new KD continuation, Cobra Kai, debuting earlier this year in a tv show format, has done a commendable job in pairing some of the damage though.
- Tremors (1990): Awesome survival movie, conclusive ending. Yet, some genius came up with a "brilliant" ideal to create a sequel. Terrible idea. Kevin Bacon refused to reprise his lead role, and it unsurprisingly tanked in the box office. They tried with another followup, and it tanked even more than the 2nd. They tried again. It tanked again. I think at this point, the f**kers don't care much about the ruined legacy any more. They are in it for the quick cash grab.
- Independence Day (1996): What in the actual f**k?! Everyone thought this epic alien invasion movie is done and dusted. Legacy intact and all. What we didn't factor in is the unassuageable greed of Hollywood producers. The sequel was a pile of hot garbage, and completely decimated the legacy of the original.
- The Rocky franchise: How such a classic movie franchise - in fact, one of the best all-time movie franchises - could put out a giant turd like Rocky V is beyond me. Now, when millennials think of Rocky Balboa movies, they are more likely to think of the more recent epic colossal f**kup than the classics. Now, that's how to ruin a great legacy.
- Terminator 1 and 2: The sequels ruined two great movies, esp the iconic Terminator II.
- Transformers 1 and 2: The first 2 Transformer movies were great, but the sequels were gigantic robot p*rn without the feel good factor. Epic fail, directly proportional to ruined legacy.
- Taken 2008: A revenge movie but with an happy ending. A massive hit. A recipe for disaster as it turned out. The sequels should never have happened, and have all but ruined what would have made for a perfect standalone movie.
- Home Alone 1 and 2: The first two were iconic. The multiple sequels however, were disasters.
- REC (2007): The first one is a fantastic horror movie that is brilliantly paced, and a fear of the unknown is present throughout. The sequel start filling in blanks that were better left empty, and the third one almost seems like a parody. Legacy ruined.
- Man of Steel (2013): The sequel was really terrible, and I feel sorry for Henry Cavill.

Did you copy and paste this?

Transformers 1,2,3,4 are all the same. They all have the same problems. The original was problematic itself

Rocky 1,2 and 4 were great. Creed has received the rocky series.

budaatum:
Where are you?

Alive

troubleseller:
The Hateful Eight

9.5/10

Funny, racist, thrilling, gritty and action-packed.

Opinions are not equal.

Opinions backed by facts will always be more useful than those without facts.

You can rate Tyler Perry movies high in your own opinion.

But it will always be a silly opinion since the fact remains that Tyler Perry's movie plots are never challenging. The stories are usually predictable. And so on.


It is not a suprise that professional critics that try to be objective constantly rate his movies low.

BlackManta:
Exactly bro...

"No movie is without sin"

Then why do fanboy always act like their favourite movie is spotless.

The way people rate movies on these thread always baffles me.

I see 9/10 and 10/10 and i'm like..."Is this movie really that good"

And when you point out a flaw, some people will start complaining.

I cant remember the last time i gave a movie 9/10 or 10/10 since the days of masterpeices like Matrix, Titanic, Lord of the Rings, Interstellar, Dark Knight and Avatar.

I agree.

The problem is that some people cannot give good reviews for 2 reasons:

1. Nollywood syndrome: after being indoctrinated by the shallowness of Nollywood movies, many people cannot appreciate or even understand complex plotlines and themes. Only few can come out of such indoctrination.

2. Fanboyism and confirmation bias; some people cant see beyond their bias. An example is that some people here like black romance. put a beautiful black couple in a movie and they will rate it 10/10 (Tyler Perry). Also we have the DC fanboys.

BlackManta:
I enjoy Marvel movies but i'm not a freak or fanboy.

I will always give an honest review and i will never try to cover up the flaws in a movie no matter how good that movie is.

If that is bitterness to you then that your own cup of tea.

Characters were made to look stupid and weak in Infinity War.

That is the simple truth.

Check the last 3 pages of this thread and you'll see i'm not the only one that is saying it.

Abi those monikers are also bitter people

Infinity War is so good i will pay money to watch part 2 but i dont want them to deliberately repeat the same glaring flaws.

If you think the movie has no flaws.
Come and defend all those points i raised.
Come and defend the undefendable.
I'm waiting.

My 2 cents.

In the words of Cinemasins:

"No movie is without sin".

KoiceReloaded:
- Josh Brolin killed it as Cable, although the fact he's quite shorter than the 6'8 foot comic version didn't go unnoticed.
- They should have used a more seasoned actress with screen presence instead of the largely unknown Zazie Beetz. I honestly didn't know who she was until Childish Gambino featured her in Atlanta. Her inexperienced showed too.
- The kid they used as Firefist sucked.
- Negasonic Teenage Warhead wasn't as dynamic as she was in the first installment. In short, she was plain boring in part 2, where her only roles were to scowl at Deadpool and pout at everyone.
- Yukio should have been portrayed by someone with more charisma, and not necessarily asian.

Lies!

1. Negasonic Teenage warhead was better in part 2. It was part one that she was pouty and scowling. What did she do in part 1? She did nothing until she had to fire a blast against the henchwoman. In part 2, she had a babe and she helped deadpool.

2. Zazie beats was okay

KoiceReloaded:
Maybe it's just me, but I actually preferred part 1 to part 2 in every sense: Humor, action, acting, casting, VE... Also less pop-culture references. That said, part 2 is pretty good.

I like part 1 more. But both part 1 and 2 are the same thing essentially.

olu4life:
Deadpool 2 - 7.5/10
Im also surprised I rated it that high Never liked the Part 1. The humor was quite OK unlike the first part. And of course, excess talks especially where he was about dying (SPOILER ALERT, though not what you thinking, lol). Asides that, generally OK

I swear, 90% of the people reviewing films here don't do it seriously.

OGBENI, HOW THE HELL CAN YOU NOT LIKE PART ONE OF DEADPOOL AND THEN RATE PART 2 HIGHER? THAT IS RIDICULOUS CONSIDERING THAT PART 2 IS A BLOODIER, RAWER, MORE COMICAL VERSION OF PART 1.

Well, there are people who hate pork but love bacon

KoiceReloaded:
FACTS YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAKING OF YOUR FAVORITE MOVIES

- Three people were struck by lightning during the filming of The Passion of The Christ.
- In Alien Resurrection, Sigourney Weaver really did make that no look, over the shoulder basketball shot. Ron Perlman almost blew the take because he was so wowed!
- In Avengers, Robert Downey Jr would hide food around the sets and eat them while filming. The crew would attempt to find his stashes but never did. All those times he was eating on screen were unscripted.
- The actors of Saving Private Ryan were put through basic training before filming, EXCEPT Matt Damon so that the other actors would build some sort of unconscious resentment towards his character. It worked like a charm.
- During the shooting for Armour of God, Jackie Chan cracked his skull during a stunt, while attempting to fall on a tree branch but missing it completely. He still has a hole in his skull to this day. Actually, his whole life story is a treasure troves of injuries/near-deaths.
- District 9 was almost completely unscripted. They had the story plotted out, but when it came to shooting scenes, they would just sorta wing it. Sharlto Copley, the star, had never really acted before. He was a TV producer who Neill Blomkamp worked for as a teenager.
- In the Dark Knight, Heath ledger asked Christian Bale to actually beat him up during the interrogation scene.
- The scientists for Interstellar did so much theoretical physics to get the wormhole and black hole effects
right that their work was published into a scientific paper.
- In Friday, a lot of scenes got ruined because of the crew on the set kept bursting out laughing during Chris Tucker scenes, so they had to film Chris Tucker scenes with no crew on set.
- James Cameron got his start in movies doing special effects. He was helping to make a horror movie and was filming live maggots. To get the maggots to be more active, Cameron would run an electric current through the table and the maggots would become super active. One day he was filming maggots as a producer was watching. He would say, "Action!" to the maggots and they would magically begin moving. The producer was so impressed that he asked Cameron to direct Piranha 2. Thus, starting his directing career. True story.
- While filming Guardians of the Galaxy, they had to do several takes of some scenes because Chris Pratt (Star-Lord) kept making the pew pew sounds when he fired his raygun.
- Jonah Hill only got paid $60,000 for his role in Wolf of Wall Street because he wanted to be in it so
badly. Made his career too.
- Marlon Brando and Robert DeNiro are the only two actors to get an Oscar for playing the same character (Vito Corleone in Godfather part 1 and 2, respectively).
- It only took three weeks to shoot Braveheart. 21 days.
- Owen Wilson was supposed to play Ben Stiller's agent in Tropic Thunder, but because of his suicide attempt the part was given to Matthew McConaughey.
- The producers of the first Terminator movie never expected it to make much money. They just wanted a quick, small cash grab. People loved the movie and it took off.
- In Forrest Gump, every time he's in an instance where his life is about to change, he's wearing a blue, plaid shirt.
- In Fellowship of the Ring, Sean Bean climbed the mountain they filmed on instead of going up in a helicopter because he was afraid of flying.
- Deadpool was revised once a year for 6 years before it was green lit.

Interesting facts.


See the creativity behind the scenes of Hollywood movies! Americans have passion.

oyetpel:
Mantis caused that, it could happen to anyone, he was even so strong she couldn't put him to sleep.

Before Mantis f4cked with his head, the guradians/avengers were frolicking around him.

Kaycee7:
When has Kratos ever fought a major foe hand to hand? Dude ain't shit without his weapons and artifacts.

Kratos uses his hands in the 2018 God of War videogame.

Nonetheless, during the previous GOW videogames, Kratos does a lot of heavy-lifting with his hands. The point is that Kratos is very strong. He does not need a fighting style with such superpowers.

Furthermore, Thanos is quite slow. The fight where his gauntlet was almost removed made him look immobile. Do you think Kratos would wait around for the avengers-guardian of the galaxy crew to execute traps?