₦airaland Forum

ogascomax:
You are thinking what you have been programmed to think. I have my independent mind and I speak from facts not from lies. You made mention of HIV and out of ignorant you think HIV was natural. It was made. What about COVID 19?

So it was a lie babies were dying easily back in the days? Lol
Okay, keep lying to yourself
About HIV please educate me how it came about

Love800:
That means the ingredients/contents inside the vaccination were poisonous.

Sorry for my late comment pls.

Read up about drugs and vaccines before making comments about them,would you?
Someone can react fatally to a normal or legit vaccine or drug

Goo0dHardDick:
It must be in the UK.

This nonsense will never happen in the US with Donald Trump on board

U don't know anything

OLAADEGBU:
'Despite being the one placed at risk, I am the one being punished.'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15473997/Nurse-suspended-transgender-paedophile-Mr-dismissal.html?utm_sf_cserv_ref=627779147727679&utm_sf_post_ref=654229281&ito=social-facebook-uknews

I know it'll be a black African nurse. I knew it. U emigrated to a country with a different law from your parent country that u ran away from. Now u r going there to tell them how to run their own country. Simply obey the rules and walk away when you get to your parent country u can practice whatever u want. Now not only would u lose ur job but Nursing Council can take ur license and that is the end. They would simply deport her. I know GMC would do that to a doctor if he behaves the way she did

kpankpangolo:
Many people with kidney issues didn’t practice toxic vices. Thank God he survived? Something that God inflicted on him? C’mon son.

Yhwh says he creates evil,remember

mascot87:
It's none of your business whom he invites. If you don't believe in God, that's your problem. Let those that believe in God exalt HIM. Your behaviour isn't different from islamic terrorists

If the renal transplant had gone wrong,who woud you have blamed,and why?
A. Doctors
B. Patient
C. Devil
D. Yhwh

tranxo:
We were not praising god.

We are praising God.

By the way, you can multitask. Add a church to your hustle and reap both ways since you are more interested in eating the sacrifice cock.

There's no difference between God and god,u decided to make the g capital which doesn't change anything.
About opening churches,many docs do it,there's nothing there

triplechoice:
"You can't even preach religion in schools in UK" is not the same as banning the preaching of religion in the UK. Is it?

I didn't say banning the preaching. I never said anything about total suppression. I said RESTRICTION. I suggest you check the meaning of that word

budaatum:
You can't even preach religion in schools in UK.

https://humanists.uk/2014/06/18/victory-government-bans-existing-future-academies-free-schools-teaching-creationism-science/

Please tell triplechoice. I'm tired of educating him

correctguy101:
It is what it is. There's nothing we can do about religious folks and their nonsense.

They're always quick to give accolades and praise to their God when something positive happens but shield their God when the opposite is the case. Dem no dey even remember say their God admit to be a creator and doer of both good and evil 😁🤧😩

They do remember. They do all sorts of verbal gymnastics when they are confronted with that Isaiah passage. One dvmmy even said the evil god talked about is for justice, even when the passage specifically says otherwise

ecolime:
Funny enough, my signature says;
A fool says in his heart, there is no God
May I never be a fool. God is real.

Do u have any evidence for his existence, or it's just 'my bible says so'

Philipgarza31:
after doctors have done their job you are inviting god into it, how about god solved the issue without doctors in the first place. If u are a graduate then shame on the school u attended

My brother,I jus tire. We would do all the hard work and a god would take all the praise. But when it becomes a mistake,na jail time and firing squad we go face

Savageman247:
Source; https://www.reportnaija.ng/2026/01/photos-mans-remarkable-recovery-after.html

Isn't it funny?
Instances where doctors do feats like this and more,the comments are filled with folks praising god. When there is a mistakes,there are outcries,folks come at us with e-pitchforks,petrol and tire to kill us
Why?
No appreciation to the doctors,nurses and other workers that made it possible
Even in my daily work routines I see it happening. You spend hours standing on your feet in the OR,struggling to battle fatigue to save a life. When you announce a successful procedure,there would be instant praise and worship and the next sunday,a pastor somewhere would be smiling to the bank. I just shake my head

AfonjaPriest:
Justice will never be done; they've already introduced a hint of tribalísm in it
Read this:
Reacting to the incident, the Permanent Secretary of the Lagos State Primary Health Care Board, Dr. Ibrahim Mustafa ...
He added that the vaccine administered had been used on many children before and after the incident without recorded complications.
Do you still believe justice will be done?
Okay, let's wait and see.

So what exactly from what he said is wrong?
The same vax was used for hundreds of kids,no reaction. 2 kids had issues with it. What do you think?
Use that brain

Lucifyre:
Then you would do us all a favour, will you? Pls don't vavccinate your kids. It would be interesting to find out how long that bloodline lasts.

Seriously the ignooorance I'm witnessing on Nairaland is amazing. And tomorrow that one would claim he's a graduate and many of them would be arguing with healthcare professional

jmoore:
If Odumeje asks you if you are graduate, you go open mouth say yes?

You think vaccines are bought in open market by government hospitals in Nigeria?

As in eh,the ignoranccet being displayed on Nairaland is enough for crash the educational system. All those screaming that the vax was expired or bad,none has thought about the fact that many other babies received the same vax and nothing happened to them. The issue here is that it's likely an idiosyncratic or anaphylactic reaction that caused the deaths,and it's not the fault of the hospital or nurse

Jman06:
There's no research to support your claim that expired vaccines don't cause adverse effects. In fact, some expired vaccines have been known to cause adverse events in recipients. Also many live attenuated vaccines have been known to cause potentially fatal diseases especially upon expiration. So, next time, do a thorough research before you expose your ignorance on a public forum.

What is your source

triplechoice:
You're still missing the critical point through a mix of anecdotal evidence and intellectual dishonesty.

Not only are your stories unverifiable, but you also cannot maintain a consistent claim about their prevalence. You initially called this practice "rife" . When challenged, you retreated to "not very common". Now in your reply to DrAda, you have reverted to calling it "rife" again. This glaring contradiction shows you're using emotionally charged language not to describe reality, but to prop up a failing argument.

Now, you're conflating supportive statements with malpractice. A consultant telling a Christian cancer patient "God is the one who heals" while continuing their full medical protocol is not telling them to " abandon medicine". It is a form of psychological and spiritual support integrated into care worldwide. You're deliberately stripping these statements of their contexts to make them sound like instructions to stop treatments.

Your other evidence remains personal and unverifiable. "A patient told me", "another colleague" in my presence" , these are stories, not data. They prove noting about systemic practice or national policy

Furthermore, you are arguing against a straw man. No one, including@DrAda, claims Nigeria's medical oversight is perfect. The point is that isolated cases of unprofessional conduct exist in every country and are handled by regulatory bodies, not by blaming an entire religion. Your claim that the MDCN is completely ineffective and biased is a cynical generalisation you use to avoid your duty to report factual malpractice. Not reporting it is also malpractice which makes you complicit in the matter.

Honestly, this entire tangent is a deflection and you know it. Your original thesis was that not surpressing religion clauses national underdevelopment. You have failed to provide a shred of evidence for that. Instead, you have latched onto vague doctor stories because you simply cannot prove your main claim.

If you have evidence of malpractice, act on it. If not stop using unverified stories to support a failed ideological argument.


Here are your contradictions. First, your initial statement


Later you retreated to "though not very common" when challenged.



But in your reply to DrAda, you have reverted to it's "rife" again.

This evidence is taken from this same page. Anyone following, just need to read from the beginning to confirm..I have also screenshot it

If you don't believe my stories, why would you believe DrAda's views? Cos it aligns to your narrative? If it didn't align to your own narratives, you'd have chucked it aside like you're doing mine. That's dishonest.
I can't tell you how often those actions by those doctors happens cos I haven't done a poll,so I stick to estimates. But if you choose to ignore them,then so be it.
Those consultants tell them to pray and DID NOT REFER THEM. That's negligent! You don't k ow this cos u ain't a doc

Love800:
Break this grammar for us. What's the meaning?

Drug reaction. The baby reacted to the vax

Jman06:
Stop typing jargons here! You just did google search and saw peripheral information on the topic and rushed here to form efizzy without getting the whole gist!

Ok. So let's assume I did Google search and I'm not a doctor. What did your own Google search hit?

ogascomax:
The question we should ask ourselves what was truly behind the mortality rate. You think people that have plans to develop a vaccines will not cause the reason why the vaccine is needed?

Why do you think back in those days folks used to birth 10 or 11 kids cos usually the kids die off before getting to 5 years?
Why do you think our ancestors used to bear names begging death. I see folks bearing Onwubiko meaning death please, and Ozoemena meaning Don't happen again.
Why do you think TB,HIV,leprosy etc were death sentences before but now ain't
Think we'll before opening your mouth

Jman06:
You're the one who is clearly displaying your emptiness for all discerning minds to see

Oga,taking expired vaccines doesn't kill. U can do ur research. Don't argue with a doctor
I guys would just chest out and be dishing out opata and ewedu knowledge without a thought

Jman06:
The question is; what actually did those kids receive in the name of vaccines? What quality assurance tests were carried out on those 'vaccines' to ascertain that they actually contained the desired molecules and not some poisonous substances?

People don't know that even improper storage and handling of a drug/vaccines can change it from the desired molecules to a poison! What we see in Nigeria most times is a situation where hospitals don't employ the right professionals but think they can employ just anybody to handle things that were meant to be done by professionals. This leads to cases like what we have in this report.

It is possible the batch of vaccines administered to the twins had been contaminated or expired. They might also have undergone major changes due to poor storage to some toxic products. Those are the possible scenarios that might have resulted to this event.

I just hope the right investigation would be carried out to unearth what actually led to the deaths of the twins

Expired vaccines won't give dangerous reactions. The amount of empty folks online is alarming

Procashtips:
How are you sure it was the same given to others that was given to the children?

This shows u don't even know how vaccines come about or is stored.
Vaccines are provided in batches and kept in cold chains. Once a packet is opened,it is used till it finishes.So the nurse wouldn't have gotten a vaccine from outside but only the one opened is used. Even if the vaccine is expired,it won't harm the baby,and it would not give immunity or cause any anaphylaxis

nairalanda1:
The commonest allergic reaction to vaccines is fever, which is what happened in this case, hence the nurse's advice to give them paracetamol. If the PCM was not working, they should have been taken to a hospital immediately.

And yes, doctors know how to treat vaccine reactions.

Using herbs doesn't work for most people, otherwise all our hospitals would have been closed for lack of patronage.

Bro,I guess u r a doc. These folks here are just too crassly ignorannnt to interface,and the worse is they are confident about it. They will still come and argue with u and tell u agbo is the best thing after sliced bread

deanoffaculty:
TBH our healthcare system in Nigeria these days is nothing to write home about. I think Agbo and local herbs will eventually be a good option in this country. Hospitals/Clinics now are like death traps.
Patients will not die before going to hospital but immediately they get there....... they kpai! Hospitals now are like killing machines. Quackery, carelessness, "money-first" syndrome, lack of facilities, JAPA moves , F.G. inconsistency on workers welfare,etc .....all these are issues.

Good.when u have appendicitis, kindly stick to agbo and avoid hospitals

Skyfornia:
At 9 months, are they supposed to receive injection or oral immunization?? I think they were still tender to receive injection for immunization.

Even babies in the womb receive injections, never mind 9 months old

tollyboy5:
Immunization should not be on babies please.

babies in the village survive without it

Have you compared the under 5 mortality of babies in the village without vaccines to those vaccinated? You guys just come online to vomit whatever is in your head

Godfullsam:
Don't be too emotional about the situation. Do you know how many children get immunisation from the PHC?
if the PHC was responsible for the death of the children, very may children would have been kill by the vaccine.

It could be that the very nurse that administered the vaccine on the kids was too high handed or incompetent or the PCM given to the children after the vaccine was adulterated or expired.

The vaccine should be out of scrutiny since they weren't the only babies to receive it. And it's not the paracetamol since the symptoms started before the paracetamol, and also other babies received the same paracetamol without issues. My only diagnosis is that they developed anaphylaxis to excipients of the vaccine. And don't forget the hospital had said it's a food poisoning case,which seems more like it. I guess they have done an autopsy which made them arrive at that

triplechoice:
You're correct about one thing: you cannot convince me. And it's not because I am close minded, but because you have failed to support your original claim and now arguing with strategic ambiguity.

Your argument that religion must be suppressed for development is a popular but historically illiterate talking point among a certain fringe, militant atheists. It confuses correlation with causation and deliberately ignores overwhelming evidence.

If your theory were true, we would expect atheist and secular states to be universally developed, but they are not. North Korea and the former Soviet bloc are telling examples.

If your theory were true, we would expect religious nations to be universally poor,but they are not. The United states, Poland, Italy, Qatar, the UAE and Saudi Arabia are all developed nations where religion is culturally central and often constitutionally recognised.

If your theory were true, development would be impossible without prior religious suppression. History, however, shows the opposite: development through education, science, and strong institutions often leads to increased secularisation , not the other way around.

What you are likely misinterpreting, either willfully or ignorantly, is a universal, ethical practice in palliative and critical care. Medical professionals worldwide may integrate spiritual or psychological support to help patients cope with trauma or terminal illness. This is not " they ask them to pray Instead of medicine", it is ", medicine for the whole person". It is a far cry from your sensational claim of your colleagues telling malaria patients to abandon treatment. No Nigerian doctor anywhere does that.

I have asked you repeatedly to provide one credible, causal link between "not surpressing religion" and "national demise". You have failed each time. Instead you continue to offer ambiguous anecdotes, self contradictions, and deflections. You have moved from ,. " they tell their patients to abandon medicine for prayers" to the vague, harmless phrase, "they ask them to do spiritual stuff" which can be interpreted to mean anything.

Worse still, you first claimed this practice was "rife", then retreated to saying it is "not very common". This contradiction is fatal. If the behaviour is not "very common" , according to you, it cannot possibly explain a national ", demise". By your own admission, most Christian doctors do not engage in it, so why blame Christianity or a religious text for the personal failing of a few? .

Furthermore, you have just revealed the depth of your bias with one final telling statement. You claim there is "no use reporting to MDCN" because " there are more Christians there" who would "discard the complaint"

This is an unsubstantiated and cynical slander against an entire professional regulatory body. For someone who claims to be a medical professional, this statement is astonishingly unprofessional and defeatist. To be honest, it makes it very difficult for anyone to believe you are actually a doctor. You sound less like an insider concerned with ethics and more like an
outsider cynically smearing a profession he demonstrably knows very little about .

The MDCN , like any credible medical board worldwide, is bound by professional ethics and legal standards, not religious affiliation. To suggest they would universally cover up malpractice is not only insulting, but also a baseless excuse to avoid providing the evidence you lack.

If you truly believe a colleague is endangering lives, you have an ethical and professional duty to report it, regardless of who sits on the council. Your refusal to do so, while publicly making the accusation, proves this was never about ethics or evidence, but merely a rhetorical ploy to smear a profession and support a week argument.



The debate is now circular and the sole reason is because you have not proven your point.

Let me state it one final time; Nigeria's challenges are rooted in governance, infrastructure, and economic policy. Scapegoating religion is a convenient, simplistic fantasy that lets the truly responsible, corrupt elites and broken systems, off the hook.

When you are ready to discuss the actual levers of progress, we can continue. Until then, you're merely promoting a prejudiced ideology disguised as analysis. I am no longer interested in reading it.


Modified:
@DrAda, I would appreciate your professional opinion on a concerning claim made in this discussion. The individual I'm debating has asserted that it is a common, or at least not uncommon, practice among Nigerian doctors to advise patients to abandon their medications in favour of prayers alone. When challenged, he modified the claim, stating it was "not very common", but still happening among his colleagues.

More alarmingly, when advised that such malpractice should be reported to the MDCN, he just dismissed the idea in his latest reply, claiming the council is dominated by Christians who would ignore any complaint. As a matter of public health and professional ethics, this is a serious allegation.

Given your standing, I would value your perspective. Could you comment on the ethical and professional implications of such claims, and perhaps pose the necessary questions to him to clarify this matter.

Thank you.

You chose the poor atheistic examples and ignored countries like China, Japan and Sweden with high atheistic populations. Even eastern European bloc have relatively lower crime rates and GDP than Latin America and Africa which are more religious. US is a secular country. Although Poland,Italy are secular,they have high Christian population. Poland and Italy are not as economically strong as Japan,China etc.
Of course palliative care incorporates religion but it's optional and on patient request due to human rights. But what I'm talking about in Nigeria is different. This is substituting medicine for religion,as in a doctor would tell a patient to fast and pray for a particular illness instead of referral. I have no taken a poll to know the extent of this rot but one day I'll do that if I'm still in this country.
How am I biased in maintaining there are Christians in MDCN? How many atheists are in Nigeria, never mind in MDCN?
I have asked Dr Ada a question, let her deny them

DrAda:
Thank you for taking the time to address and correct the misinformation that is rife on this platform.

Please kindly disregard the claim that it is standard practice for doctors to advise patients to rely on religion in place of appropriate clinical care. This is entirely wrong.

Any healthcare professional who promotes such dangerous practice is acting unethically and should be sued and reported to the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) for appropriate disciplinary action.

Personally, I counsel my patients to beware and always verify the claims of miracle vendors.

I did not say it's standard practice. I said it's rife. A patient told me her doc told her to come to her church for her subfertility. Another colleague told me that he used anointing oil to guard against covid and he encouraged his patients to do so. I have consultants that have told many cancer patients in my presence to pray,that god is the one that heals and not medicine. In advanced countries these guys would lose their license so fast. Not in Nigeria. Go and report to MDCN and see.Do I go on? You know I'm not lying