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FxMasterz:
No, I know what I worship.

I operate at a frequency you cannot perceive because you cannot bring yourself to the exercise of the tasks that could make you perceive God.

Delusions of grandeur. Borderline psychosis.
Bro, since u operate on a higher frequency, tell us what happens there? Or are you the only one seeing it?

DeepSight:
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Doubtless there will be much even our instruments cannot perceive. Unknown unknowns. Things that we cannot even conceive of and thus cannot create an instrument for at all. Anymore than an ant can conceive of computer software.

Do you believe there are invisible unicorns

DeepSight:
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Brilliant.

This possibility - that the universe may be a living thing we dwell in and are part of just as you described, is something I have always thought of. In fact, one old poster on this platform said a similar thing years ago which I was happy to hear because I had been thinking it. The post was by a brilliant chap called Agentofallah. Can't find it.

A sort of pantheistic view.

I can tell you the universe is a pile of turd from a gigantic elephant,and we live inside this turd. How does this sound?

DeepSight:
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Brilliant.

This possibility - that the universe may be a living thing we dwell in and are part of just as you described, is something I have always thought of. In fact, one old poster on this platform said a similar thing years ago which I was happy to hear because I had been thinking it. The post was by a brilliant chap called Agentofallah. Can't find it.

A sort of pantheistic view.

It's still a thought. I can tell you the universe is a pile of turd

FxMasterz:
You mentioned and named electromagnetism because you have had instruments that have perceived that frequency. What about the frequencies your instruments cannot perceive, and have not even been named? I just want you to think in a much broader scope.

So what frequencies we can't perceive? Has your god given any instruments how we can tune in,or do we just assume

FxMasterz:
You got it bro!

Infact, it is still within logical reasoning frameworks to assume that the universe itself may be God. We have only seen a little within the universe. No one has seen the whole universe let alone seeing the outside of it.

We cannot truly know what the universe is until we can observe it from the outside of the universe itself. What if this universe itself is a huge living being that has a different build from us, and the planets, and all heavenly bodies are parts of what keeps it alive?

All descriptions of the universe are based on what we see on its inside from its inside. Imagine the microbes inside your gut describing you on the basis of what they see in your stomach? Atheists just need to think harder and stop being myopic. I hope lordreed and jaephoenix in particular are reading.

If the universe is a “being,” then we would see:

- Stars/galaxies as cells?
- Black holes as… pores?
- Humans as microbes in its gut?

No one can ever tell.

Modified: Just thinking out loud. The essence is for us to know that there are possibilities beyond our natural scope.

All you have said is 'what if'. How does this 'what if' translate to reality

DeepSight:
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Too true.


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Too well said. Very well said. I believe that much that we dispute is actually all around us, simply invisible and imperceptible - to most.


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Certain types of meditation I would say. Certain types of openness of spirit and mind, certain types of detachment from the physical. Such as astral travel, out of body experiences for example.

Which type of meditation causes openness of spirit blah blah and how did you confirm it? FzMasterz has been known to be a bs merchant on this forum

FxMasterz:
This is babyish talk. By saying investigation won't make it appear even sounds much more incoherent. Because investigation doesn't make anything appear. It reveals what's already there.

And as I said earlier, your capacity to perceive is in itself a limit on your investigation. There are frequencies you cannot perceive and therefore cannot investigate. In fact, a dog and an elephant have better chances than you a human. If you can still argue this, it means you're closed to anything logical, you just want to keep on believing what you believe.

See, as it stands, heaven could be within our universe billions or even trillions of light years away. And also, both God and heaven could also be around us in a frequency we can never naturally perceive. I also believe that there are frequencies in which even our solid state here cannot be perceived.

Know your limitations and stop pretending you know everything and can access everything.

What I know is that Prayer as a spiritual exercise, when practiced consistently can make you perceive things from a different frequency that others cannot perceive.

You have started again with this hocus pocus bs. Remember you still owe me an apology for accusing me of not delivering your prayer note. Your prayer note that didn't do diddly squat,now u r now on another bs

FxMasterz:
Where that gets interesting is that if it's unknown, how did it translate to It doesn't exist.

If you see it as something deserving further investigation, then you're agnostic. Not an atheist.

You cannot outrightly come out and say there's no God if you still need further investigation.

Do you believe dragons and unicorns exists?

FxMasterz:
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Let's not complicate the issue about causation for atheists. Their stance is entirely contradictory, and let me spell it out in simple terms.

If I say for example, the big bang happened and was caused by nothing, that literally means the big bang didn't start at any point in time. It is continous workflow from eternity which is very illogical. Atheists on this thread have said they make no such claims.

Niw if I say the big bang's causation was unknown. It gets really interesting because "unknown" is not the same as "nothing", so how does this justify the idea that there's no God. "I don't know what caused the big bang" cannot be rendered as God or the Causer of the big bang does not exist because "I don't know" is not the same thing as "It doesn't exist". Not knowing what caused something is not a logical basis for concluding that the cause doesn't exist.

So, without referring to physics, the atheists positions are logically unsound.

Because the idea of a god doesn't make sense. Remember humans thought lightning was caused by gods. So instead of saying creation is by a god,we can say we don't know.
Also the problem of saying 'God did' is this. Which god? Also assuming we insert a god into creation and say it created the universe, then what's the use of scientists researching on the origin of the universe since we have concluded that 'god did' . Remember if scientists agreed with all the human assumptions that gods made floods,lightning etc,we'd still be in stone age.
So the most logical and intelligent answer is I DONT KNOW

FxMasterz:
You're correct but the situation is not just 'likely', it's the absolute truth.

Most of what exists is entirely invisible to us. Humans only see light between 430-790THz and hear sounds between 20Hz-20KHz.

This is a popular science fact meant to highlight the limitations of human senses, emphasizing how much of reality we miss.

Vision (light) :
Human eyes detect only a tiny sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum called visible light.

This corresponds to wavelengths roughly 380–750 nanometers (nm), which translates to frequencies of about 400–790 THz (terahertz, or trillion hertz).

- Red light: lower end, around 430 THz.
- Violet light: higher end, around 790 THz.

The numbers (430–790 THz) are a common scientific approximation.

Everything else—infrared (heat), ultraviolet, X-rays, radio waves, microwaves, gamma rays—is invisible to us without tools like cameras, telescopes, or detectors. And these instruments still remain limited in capabilities. Visible light is less than 0.005% of the full electromagnetic spectrum, so most electromagnetic radiation (and much of what it reveals about the universe) is invisible.

Hearing (sound) .:
Humans typically hear sounds with frequencies from 20 Hz (very low bass) to 20,000 Hz (20 kHz, high-pitched).

"20Hz-20KHz," is the standard adult range (though it narrows with age, especially above 15–17 kHz).

Sounds below 20 Hz (infrasound) or above 20 kHz (ultrasound) exist but are inaudible to us—animals like elephants (infrasound) or bats/dogs (ultrasound) can detect them. And you can be rest assured there are other unnamed sound frequencies nothing in the world has ever detected.

The Broader Point
Philosophically/scientifically: our senses evolved for survival, not to perceive "everything." Vast parts of reality—dark matter/energy (95% of the universe), non-visible radiation, inaudible vibrations—are "invisible" or imperceptible. We rely on science and technology to uncover an infinitesimally small percentage of them. Even what we know if the universe today as vast as that knowledge is, is still approximately 0% of the entire universe.

So, how can any same man confidently say "There's no God" as though he has seen, heard and known everything there is. It is absolute foolishness.

I have come to a point of realization that even the so called "Spirit realm" is simply a frequency that exists beyond the bondaries of our natural perception. Nobody sees everything that's around him at any given time. Infact, the unseen is infinitely more than the seen.

An atheist is like a Peck of chickens hatched and grown in a closed and conditioned cage with just a hole somewhere on the cage for passing food and water. It will be foolish for those chickens to arise one day, and say there's no human just because they've never seen or perceived anything beyond the walls of their cage. And when asked how the food from that hole happens, they answer it happens from nothing or unknown (like what I have seen lordreed and jaephoenix claim on this thread). The truth is that the food comes from something unknown indeed to the chickens but claiming there's no entity behind the food is absolute foolishness.

Both claims of the world coming from nothing and/or unknown leading to a conclusion that there's no God just make me chuckle. They don't sound intelligent to me.

Disinfectant123 is asking for evidence that the God exists without seeing that there's no evidence He doesn't.

If atheists have any shame, Cycleoftheworld has dissipated virtually all the arguments atheists hold onto on this thread, but since Atheism itself is some form of 'religion', atheists must defend themselves even with lies, denials and misinformation.

What we know as humans even with our scientific advancements is still nothingness compared to what there is. Wait until you know everything at least, before you say in absolutes that there's no God. And you guys should stop being illogical and contradictory because claiming there's no God is the same as claiming there's no cause. And science has established that effects are always causative. All the effects we see in the universe were therefore caused.Whatever caused them, be it human or things, or places or whatever, whether imaginable or unimaginable is what we call God. A reasonable human would go on a quest for find what it is rather that talk in absolutes about God not existing. Majority of the scientists in the world actually believe in the existence of God. Only a very small percentage are atheists.

We humans don't know anything about the universe yet. We're still exploring. We don't even know anything about our world yet. We have very little knowledge of it because we're limited in sight and in hearing. Wise men would prepare for evehtualities in such situations as ours. Walking arrogantly with blind confidence is foolhardy.

You saying you don't know doesn't make one stvvpid, it actually makes one smart. If you say we cant see beyond a point,how do you know there is something beyond that spectrum? Ok,let's assume there's a creator. Which one outta the 1000s gods claim should we believe and why

DeepSight:
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Have you read it or listened to him defend the arguments in it? Because he did argue that the universe came from nothing.

Does he do a podcast or something

triplechoice:
I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge the importance of critical thinking. However, your conclusion that "suppressing religion" and "removing it totally from the state is paramount" is not only a non-sequitur but a dangerous and simplistic prescription. It ignores the fact that Nigeria is a democratic nation where religious rights and freedoms are entrenched in the constitution. If such rights are removed, the country ceases to be a democratic society.

You are still attacking the symptom, not the cause. The state's energy should be channeled into providing quality education and eradicating poverty, not the futile and authoritarian task of policing belief.

Moreover,it is impractical and harmful to suppress religion. Religion is deeply tied to culture, identity, and the country's economy. Attempting to eradicate it in the manner you suggest would create immense social strife . The goal should be a society where people are free to believe what they want, as long as they do not try to force it on anyone else and function as constructive citizens.

And again, your premise is factually incorrect. You claim, "You won't see developed countries tell its citizens that security comes from any god". This is simply not true. Many developed nations, like the US, UK, and Germany, have robust religious freedoms, and their leaders openly reference it when the occasion calls for it. Their development did not come from suppressing religion but from building strong secular institutions that protect all citizens, regardless of belief. In fact, the American constitution is an intrinsically religious document; it references faith with the phrase,. "In God we Trust".

I welcome your agreement with my diagnosis, but I do not accept your prescribed cure because it is not only wrong but also counterproductive. Build the schools, not the thought police. Empower the people with knowledge, and you will not need to suppress their beliefs, they will be equipped to navigate them responsibly. The irony in all of this is that in Nigeria today, it is the churches and mosques that are doing what the government is supposed to do: building standard schools from elementary to university levels so citizens can have a quality education, yet you want them removed completely.

Yes,suppressing religion grows a country. Lemme explain
In the UK, preaching in certain areas are prohibited. Same with use of loud speakers. You have seen videos of Nigerians who were arrested for constituting nuisance via public preaching.
As a doctor,if I tell a patient that he should have faith in god and ignore his meds,I could lose in license in the UK. But in Nigeria, it's rife. You see,UK and many western countries practice religious freedom but it is restricted or controlled from the example I gave. And no,there is nowhere they tell you to trust their security to god. If there is,please show me. Any president that says that is impeached.
US motto says 'In god we trust' but yet it's a secular country and not Christian. Have you asked yourself why?
Do you see US or UK holding prayers in senate or urging citizens to pray when they face any invasions? Instead they act. Israel sef is more atheistic than the UK or US. They have more gays. They have gay minister, which is unheard of in the US

Dtruthspeaker:
If your head was not hollow, you would have seen that I pointed out his fulliishmess and he screamed and ran away. Unfortunately, you have become a person of not sound maind so, we understand, yure emptynesss has become permanent

See abeg,u seriously need a shrink. No cap. I won't mind spearheading a Gofundme to help

Emusan:
My point was that the sister gave up the fight probably on what transpired shortly after the money was raised for her treatment but her husband and some members wanted the money.

What do you mean 'gave up the fight'?

Janosky:
Haba !!!!
No iota of fact in your false claims.
Emusan, Stop deceiving yourself spreading false narratives because of your bias.
She had stage 4 issues which has no remedy.
You & Jaephoenix are lying & spread false claims
Screenshot evidences.

Another lie. Maybe the doc sef fit be JW or a JW stooge.
This is what Punch reported
From the screenshot we can deduce she had stage 1 or at most stage 2 cancer since the lesion is restricted to the breast tissues and can be contained. At this stage,chemo would work as reiterated by the screenshot.
Janosky and Mad Max are the worst liars

DeepSight:
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Some atheists, notably Lawrence Krauss have insisted on that. But you are right that its not a claim made by atheists generally and in fact has nothing to do with atheism.

This is the title of his book
A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

DeepSight:
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In fairness, the evidence of how this universe came about is likely permanently outside the paygrade or capacity of this humanity.
It is also likely outside the realm of physical science alone.

I have thought of it but then how do you know that? How do you know we won't discover how we came about in say 100 years time? Remember at a point humans didn't know how rain, lightning, floods,tsunamis came about and said it was the gods. Now we know better

DeepSight:
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How does that mean they have proven it?
Have you eaten and taken your meds?

Its like this is the first time you are engaging Dtruthspeaker. Dude is a certified fruitcake. Fruitier than a fruity multifruity
Once you knock off his point,he just drops a nonsensical post and runs away in victory

DeepSight:
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Lawrence Krauss famously or infamously argued that. Or something close to that. I think precisely that the universe arose from nothingness. I found it absurd because he proceeded to define that "nothingness" in a way which is alien to the meaning of the word itself.

It reminds me just how scientists have a different definition for time than that which exists in layman's experience.

Having said that, there is the failure by many (like Lawag3) to take note of different ideas such as creatio ex nihilo (creation from nothing), creatio ex materia (creation from some matter already existing) and creatio ex deo (creation from the divine substance of the creator itself.

Krauss's book said A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing. This ignorami Cycle now twisted it to say he meant the universe came from nothing

Cycleoftheworld:
So Lawrence Krauss, Richard Dawkins and all the waves of New Atheists who claim the universe came from literal nothingness don't exist?

No theist claims God came from nothing. Theists say God is eternal. Theists will tell you God created the universe from his own essence.

Atheists say the universe magically came from nothingness. How does nothing do something? By definition it does nothing. LMAO

If you're saying "I don't know" then you should stop identifying as an atheist and arguing against the idea of a prime mover. The scientific stance doesn't rule out a god. If you're admitting that, you should identify as agnostic.



Why are the lying so hard? The League of Militant Atheists was a violent group that murdered religious people, priests and clergy. This is well documented.

The Crusades were a series of defensive wars against the colonial expansion of the Ottoman Empire.

The Salam Witch Trials and Huguenot wars did not kill millions. State atheism killed millions though.



No, The League of Militant Atheists killed religious people, helped by the atheist government. This is documented even on Wikipedia with sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

"The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers.[65] The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers.[66] Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests. By 1940, "over 100 bishops, tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy, and thousands of monks and lay believers had been killed or had died in Soviet prisons and the Gulag."

Sources: Peter N. Stearns. The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern World. Oxford University Press, 2008, p. 278.

Theodore R. Weeks. Across the Revolutionary Divide: Russia and the USSR, 1861-1945. John Wiley & Sons, 2011

North Korea kills its own citizens as well as religious folk. This is well documented by intelligence agencies and defectors. So Mr Liar, why are you lying on behalf of atheism? If atheism was a logical position, why do you feel the need to spread misinformation, falsehoods and engage in history revisionism? All you atheists do is lie and deny history.

People literally get publically executed if they're caught leaving your atheist hellhole of North Korea:

https://www.rfa.org/english/korea/2025/03/10/north-korea-attempted-escape-public-execution/

Clearly you're not very confident in the worldview if you have to lie this hard and ignore history, academic sources including the one the OP provided concerning the Encyclopedia of Wars which show the majority of wars throughout history have been entirely secular.



This is what I see with atheists. Atheist billboards throughout the globe. Look at America, where the group known as "American Atheists" hire billboards to promote atheism. Throughout Europe it's the same. On TV in movies and TV shows, here on this forum, on YouTube, on Facebook and in discussion pages solely for Christians, atheists will enter just to insult Christians and preach atheism.

Once again, you are lying for atheism.



Christians tell the truth about atheists. Atheists on the other hand can only lie. I proved it with the refutation of your claim that North Korea doesn't kill people and that The League of Militant Atheists was a "peaceful organisation." You atheists are just a joke.

1.Kraus and Dawkins didn't say the universe came from nothing. I just crosschecked. Your lies are getting too much
2.So what's 'God's eseence'? His jizz,or what? Una go just dey misyarn
3. Again which atheists told you the universe came from nothing? All the atheists here have told you it's a lie. And it's not a scientific view
4. If you dont know how a piece of meat was stolen from your pot of soup,and your son told you the meat evaporated, would you believe him,yes or no? Won't you demand evidence? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You don't expect atheists to believe your creation story since we dont know. Provide evidence. Besides thousands of other gods make the same claim,how do we know yours is true(assuming we are to believe)
5. The League of Militant Atheists only aided the government in giving information about theists. THEY DIDN'T KILL ANY THEISTS. Do your research and stop these lies.
6. North Korea practices Shamanism and Chondoism,thus they're not entirely atheistic. Remember atheism is lack of belief in any gods. Get it right
7. Huguenot wars alone killed millions,Mr. Liar.
The French Wars of Religion were a series of civil wars between French Catholics and Protestants from 1562 to 1598. Between two and four million people died from violence, famine or disease directly caused by the conflict, and it severely damaged the power of the French monarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Wars_of_Religion
The Witch trials killed hundreds of thousands
The Great Crusades killed Pagans too. So which land did the pagans steal from christians, Mr.Liar
Now European wars of religion(16th-17th centuries) caused immense death tolls, with total estimates ranging broadly from 5.5 million to over 18 million
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion
8. You are talking about atheist billboards in the US. Compare that to christian billboards. Now tell me which is greater? In Nigeria,have you ever seen an atheist billboard or show? They'll lynch the person. My former boss told me he would sack me if he finds out I'm an atheist. I can assure you that anybody that identifies atheist as a religion in Nigeria won't get any job or get laid. The persecution would be terrible. A Christian would rather employ a muslim than atheist. He would employ a gay Christian than an atheist. And you want the atheist to come out and do a show? I told you all the instances christians harass us. Tell me how atheists harass anyone in this country.
LIAR LIAR,PANTS ON FIRE

Lawag3:
If you ask someone about God and the person gave unknown or I don't know as an answer you'll take that as prove that God doesn't exist.

We rely in evidence. If I tell you how this world came about without a shred of evidence backing my claim,would you believe me

Lawag3:
Apart from that We both believe something can come out of nothing 😁 God created the world from nothing. To atheist the big bang came from nothing but created everything.
P.s Unlike what you think God didn't exist out of nothing.

We dont believe something came outta nothing. It's a theist thing

hopefulLandlord:
This is not true, atheism never made any claims about how the universe came to be. Atheists admit ignorance about this. It's theists especially Christians like you that conjured up a powerful entity claiming he created it yet can't explain where this entity came from

As in eh,the accusations are getting tiring. Everywhere I go, Christians are just peddling lies against atheists

TruthofGod:
And don't forget, atheists get upset if you speak your beliefs but want to force their beliefs down everyone's throats.

Christians wake us up with Morning cries and preaching. They knock on our doors to preach. As you go out to work,they stick flyers and tracts into your car doors and windshields,and stick tracts into your face. While driving,they block the road for crusades and do crowd evangelism with loud music disturbing everyone. Then you switch on your radio and tv,there they are with preachings. Oh,and then go to the web to check what's going on,and more preachings are going . And they make laws to dictate to others what they should do with their own bodies.
PLEASE WHICH OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE CONDUCTED BY ATHEISTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD? I NEED YOU TO ANSWER,MR LIAR

TruthofGod:
Atheists also be like:

"Religion causes all wars and conflicts."

This reveals the atheist's stupidity and illiteracy in history and politics considering most wars in history have been secular.

Furthermore, as the meme below points out, atheist regimes have historically killed more than all religions combined in a mere century! North Korea today, which is an atheist state, continues to regularly execute its own citizens if they go against the atheist ideology of the state.

The USSR even had an organisation set up called the "League of Militant Atheists" which specifically targeted and killed religious people, simply for being religious.

Clearly atheism is the biggest cancer to humanity considering the millions of deaths state atheism has caused in one century alone.

Just like the christians I know,you are clearly iggnraunt about history.
I'm sure you haven't heard of the Great Crusades, Huguenot Wars, Salem Witch trials etc. These combined killed millions.
The League of Militant Atheists" was a non violent group. This is what historians called it in their own words.

Served as a bureaucratic mechanism for the Party, rather than a truly powerful grassroots movement, despite its intimidating name.
North Korea doesn't execute religious folks. What they do is suppress and regulate religion but not execute them.
So no,Mr liar I don't know if Jesus told you guys to go ye into the world and spread falsehood but everything I have been reading from christians these days are well scripted lies

TruthofGod:
Atheists be like:

"Given enough time, the universe can and will magically create itself from nothing just because."

They will state this with a straight face and not realise this claim isn't based on any science. It's not just blind faith, it's blind faith in magic.

The entire position of the atheist rests on nothing more than mere speculation and fantasising over impossibilities.

Not only did atheists not say this,but it's what theists actually claim. Where did god come from? Nothing. Where did the universe come from? Nothing! How did it come? God snapped his fingers Thanos-esque and boom,everything popped out.
So bro,the jokes on you.
What we atheists say is we don't know how we came about,and that is the scientific stance

MaxInDHouse:
I have told these jokers claiming atheists that real atheists are cashing out where gullible people are plenty instead of arguing aimlessly on social media!🤣

I'm sure you know what an atheist is. Anyway e no consign me. Other Christians call you JWs atheists and you JW call other Christians atheists. We the real atheists just dey look una dey laff

triplechoice:
The major flaw in your argument is that you are confusing the effect for the cause,and the "manipulative tool" for the mechanism.

You diagnose our perceived stagnation relative to developed nations, a perception that overlooks the tangible progress made over the past decades, and based on a selective , superficial reading of Christian scripture, attributes it to a certain Christian mindset, while ignoring the fact Nigeria is not a solely Christian nation. Your implied solution is to remove this "manipulative tool" ( religion) to kick-start progress or make Nigerians demand accountability from their leaders.

This logic of yours is completely flawed. If you want to put out a fire, you don't blow at the smoke.

The true cause is not the tool of manipulation, but the condition of the people being manipulated. What creates this vulnerability is not a holy book, Bible or Qur'an, but a critical faculty left undeveloped by lack of access to good quality education and entrenched poverty.

Nigeria is the rated has the poverty capital of the world, with the highest number of out-of-school children, many of whom may never learn to read or write. This is the root cause. An uneducated populace grappling with survival is vulnerable to control regardless of the ideology used.

If you ban religion, but leave the people uneducated and powerless, the ruling class will simply replace it with another, often insidious, tool. Look at North Korea, it has banned religion, yet the population is ruthlessly manipulated by state sponsored propaganda and personality cult. In this instance, the tool changed or was removed, the mechanism of control did not.

This is precisely why access to quality education is strategically denied by those in power, whether corrupt politicians, extremist leaders, or controlling sects.

Boko Haram understands this perfectly. They are literally. "against Western education" because enlightenment threatens their control.

The Jehovah Witnesses discourage higher education ( like studying medicine or law) under the guise of it being unnecessary for the "new world" . The unspoken reason is the fear of losing members who become rational independent thinkers capable of questioning authority.

Therefore, the problem was never religion itself. The problem is, and has always been, a ruling class that perpetuates a lack of critical education to maintain a pliable populace.. Yes, Religion can be one vehicle for this, but it is not the engine. The engine is deliberate disempowerment .

You are focusing on the smoke ( a religious interpretation) and blaming it for the burning building, while ignoring the raging fire, a system that produces uneducated, desperate citizens. Ignore the smoke and put out the fire and the building will be saved.

You're right. Critical thinking skills are important for nation growth and unhindered religion is the outcome. However, suppressing religion is a good point, and removing it totally from the state is paramount. You won't see developed countries tell its citizens that security comes from any god
But you're right anways

Emusan:
I know you people will later come here to twist the narration.

I know you don't even care about her just as her Husband & Hall members don't but because since she has the tag Jws you quickly want to do that damage control.

Immediately the crowd funded was done and over ₦30m was raised but the her husband and Hall members begin to open eyes because of money to the extent that Aunty Esther was telling the care supporter to lie to the public.

Left for Aunty Esther she would've gone for the blood transfusion but it was her husband and the hall members who kept deceiving her to reject it and even planning with the care supporter to move the money into Private account (either her husband or organization account) if not that the people behind the donation are not greedy and are plain. The issue won't have gone viral and generate much outcry.

Lastly, this issue has been on like almost from the beginning of 2025, and the issue escalated early December.

The right question an honest person will ask will be: why did she die within short period shortly after the care supporter withdrew?

Following what transpired within one month to end of her life, one can deduce that, the sister decided to gave up probably when she has seen how her husband and Hall members betrayed her just because of money.

Anemic heart failure is the probable primary cause of death. The anemia caused by lack of blood damaged her heart. That's the common complication of low blood

Janosky:
By chosen from options recommended by medical profession and enshrined in law.
An adult chose what you recommend & you say nah "suic.de."
Oga,are you even listening to yourself?
If you read about the individuals, there's initially was not late stage, (dem dey do check up more & get modern facilities sef) they were not JW's & would undertake whatever their medical team proposes.

Like I told you, the best course of treatment is blood transfusion. It's only if they refuse blood that we give an alternative (which isn't optimal). It's not always a viable option but it's patients' choice and we respect it.
Those people you mentioned presented late. I checked them out. Stop lying