makavalley: He might not have any medical condition though but we are Africans do not forget so easily ooo Hold God tight ! Know God for yourself! Be spiritually alert, guide yourself spiritually ! Don't be carried away with there is nothing Iike evil people because of modernization, because you believe there's nothing like witchcraft, village people oo
Dogalmighty17: Weak president. Can't he sack Wike? Why is he allowing Wike bring his chaos into the APC? It is a serious afront to the president for a man who is not a member of the APC to dictate to the APC its internal affairs. Wike should be called to order and if he refuses, Tinubu should sack him.
Wife holds a lot of info about the malpractices he aided and abetted during the elections. So Tinubu would be smart to tread carefully with him
FxMasterz: If there's no evil, how can you enjoy good? You'll be a zombie or robot that dies not know how to enjoy. You won't even have any sense of enjoyment.
Wtf are you saying? Does this make sense? So according to your logic, there must be evil in heaven for people to enjoy the goodness
FxMasterz: Vehicle manufacturers are not omniscient but they're knowledgeable enough to know that vehicles have killed many people, yet they keep producing them.
I'm not equating God with mortals, I'm coming down to your level using what you can relate with before I can even tell you deep things.
What are the primary use of vehicles? Is it to kill people or movement? If it does its primary function most of its times, then the vehicle makers are right. Same logic goes with medications. Pharmaceuticals make them with the intention of curing disease but if people die of the occasional side effects,then they are right I wonder how this relates to an omniscient god who creates Satan knowing he'd mislead humanity
FxMasterz: Before Pharaohs heart was hardened, did he have any regard for God? If God later hardens his heart so as to show the world His might through him, what'd wrong with God using one insubordinate fellow to teach millions of other insubordinate individuals a lesson? His heart was hardened only a few days before he was punished, what did he do with his unhardened heart before those days? He spent it reviling the God of Israel. So, God decided to make a show of him.
What you're describing about Job and Jonah are not related to freewill. Job was tested, passed the tests and got rewarded. Jonah had a covenant with God to obey God as a prophet. He broke the covenant and God held him responsible for his actions.
Your 10 year child has a son relationship with you. If you send him an errand and he refuses to go, telling you "na by force?", what would you do?
Firstly,there was no mention in the bible if the Pharaoh had any regard or not for your god. None. The first time yhwh told Moses to go eat Pharaoh, he said he'll harden his heart AB INITIO. Also if Pharaoh's heart was already hardened, THEN WHY IS YOUR GOD HARDENING IT AGAIN? Una no dey think ,these Christians Was job consulted before your god decided to make him miserable? Was his children consulted before your god murdered them? Even if Nehemiah was a prophet and he decides to disobey,it's still his freewill. He decided that he won't obey yhwh. Why is that a problem for your god? I would enforce my 10 yo child cos he's in my house and yes i control his freewill to an extent. But you christians say god has given everyone freewill. U wan change mouth?
The reason you know spider man is not real is because you know absolutely what's real in New York. The same logic does not apply to the universe where you know absolutely nothing about what exists out there.
No I don't know what is real in New York. Never been there. Now can you please answer the question I asked? Do you believe unicorns exist. This is the third time I'm asking and you dodge it every single time
triplechoice: Explain what again? This is the same thing you began with. Yet, in your initial explanation, you failed entirely to establish a causal link between the so called "suppression of religion" and Nigeria's challenges. Now, after agreeing with the validity of my counterarguments regarding education and poverty, you're returning to your starting point as if we never had the discussion. Very well. Let's see if you can succeed this time where you failed before
The prohibition of preaching in "certain areas" and the restriction of " loudspeakers" in the UK is not "religious suppression" or "restriction" . It is public nuisance regulation. Such laws are common in many nations including some major cities in Nigeria.
I know this firsthand because I have lived in Ghana where similar regulations on preaching and loudspeakers in residential areas exist. These policies are not designed to suppress religion anywhere in the world. A government that actively suppresses religion closes places of worship, bans religious texts, or persecute believers ,as seen in North Korea or the former Soviet Union.
Your example, which applies equally to bars, sales people, nightclubs, and any loud gathering in the UK and Europe proves these societies manage public order, not that they grew wealthy by "removing" or "restricting" faith.
And again, for someone like you that has been campaigning against religion , it's surprising you have a casual understanding of it. You cannot ban religious beliefs or " restrict" it by regulating its outer expression. Beliefs exists in the mind of the individual not in public rituals like going to church or affirming God publicly. There are millions of believers in the UK who practice their faith privately, without ever attending a public gathering. The only way a government can genuinely diminish the influence of religion is not by force, but by outcompeting it with better ideas, through education, critical thinking and opportunity, something I already suggested but which you have ignored.
Your example, which applies equally to bars, nightclubs, and any loud public gathering in the UK and Europe, proves these societies manage public order, not that they grew wealthy by "removing faith." It is therefore illogical to claim that an educated society like the UK, which understands that faith is an internal, personal matter, is "restricting religion" through public order policies you have misinterpreted. You are confusing correlation with causation.
It is not true that Nigerian doctors habitually tell patients to ignore medicine for prayer. This is a sweeping generalization that is not supported by data. Even if isolated cases occur, they are failures of professional oversight and education, not evidence that religion has crippled national development. In the UK, such conduct would be punished because of strong institutions and regulatory systems the very institutions Nigeria lacks due to underinvestment in education and governance, not because of religion.
Your claim that no Western leader says "trust security to God" is not true. The U.S motto is "In God we trust", sessions of the U.S Congress open with prayer, and Western leaders routinely invoke faith, not as a policy of inaction, but as cultural or symbolic expression. When a Nigerian leader reference God. It is similarly for cultural reasons to boost the morale of the rank and file in the fight against insurgency, not a substitute for policy. Your attempt to link rhetorical statements to national underdevelopment is a false equivalence. Development comes from action infrastructure, and institutions, not from whether a leader mentions prayer.
It is naive to take the public statements of Nigerian leaders who reference faith as literal policy directives. Such statements are symbolic gestures of cultural identity or morale, not blueprints for governance. The real failure in Nigeria is not the symbolism, but the lack of concrete follow -through, a failure of governance, not of belief.
Your deflection to Isreal and "gay ministers" is irrelevant. You want to claim that atheism or social liberalism correlates with development. This is another non-sequitur. There are highly developed deeply religious nations like the United States, Italy, Poland, and less developed secular ones. There are also developed nations with restrictive social policies. A country's development is driven by economic policy, education, innovation, and strong institutions, not by a nation's stance on theology or sexuality. Russia restricts LGBTQ rights but is developed in many sectors. If "suppressing religion" truly cause development, then officially atheist states like North Korea or the former Soviet bloc would be paradise of progress, but they are not. They prove that suppressing ideas without educating minds only creates new forms of control and stagnation
Until you can provide the causal link between underdevelopment and religion, your argument remains an expression of personal bias, not a viable analysis of Nigeria's challenges.
No such laws exist in Lagos,at least to the best of my knowledge. Churches do road parades beside hospital ICUs without restrictions. Even in Ikeja GRA mosques use loudspeakers. Same for my areas. I'm a doctor,trust me. My colleagues take this religious shit serious. Though not very common but they do it. About prayers in US Congress and the US motto,u r getting me wrong. I said no president has said that they will depend on prayer instead of fighting. Trump is a war monger and resorts to belligerent means and not prayers. Read properly. Even US is not a Christian country, though their motto says otherwise. Please be honest. So you mean you haven't seen the federal and state governments organize prayers for national security? Which western countries do that?
Truthseeker10: Where is your proof that to the statement that no one can interface with a spiritual spider and that a spiritual spider doesn't make sense to anyone?
You are the one that came to that conclusion, not me. So what was your proof
FxMasterz: Jaephoenix, go and read Isaiah 37. Then research the extra biblical accounts of the same events narrated in Isaiah 37. When you're done. Return here.
Or just ask this question of AI: "Is there any evidence outside the Bible for the events of Isaiah 37?"
I.kkow that you're deliberately rebellious. Atheism is actually rebellion. That's why, even after you have been educated to know that there's so much yet unknown of our world and the universe, you still maintain your absolute claims of "there's no God". But, you'll not be here forever, and some day, you'll see things for yourself. If God favors you this year, we'll meet, and when we do, something will surely happen on your insides.
New York was mentioned in Spiderman. Going by your analogy,Spiderman is real. You see why I talk say u suppose go school. I asked you a question which you dodged (your normal way) DO YOU BELIEVE UNICORNS EXIST
FxMasterz: If God tramples on freewill, no one will do evil. Everyone would be zombies. Even you wouldn't be able to spew all the blasphemies you do spew. God doesn't want zombies. He wants humans who can deliberately take actions and take responsibility for their actions.
I dont know when you suddenly developed poor comprehension skills,but lemme try again. Who trampled on Pharaoh's freewill by hardening his heart so he can kill more Egyptian babies? Who connived with Satan and destroyed Job's family(without their knowledge or permission) even though he knew the outcome of the bet? Who forced Nehemiah to leave his house,city and run? Even forced a poor whale to gobble up Nehemiah? Na by force to preach? Please answer these questions sans mental gymnastics
Yeah. Anesthetic agents can kill. General anesthesia puts one in the state between life and death,and little things can tip the balance. Reason why folks die on the table
Emusan: What I meant by that statement is, Aunty Esther might have decided not to seek any further treatment after she saw how her husband and Hall members behaved which leads to how the sickness quickly gain more power that leads to death within few weeks.
I don't know about that. All I know is she declined transfusion which hastened her death via anemic heart failure
FxMasterz: The Bible has an answer for that but it's a broad topic which I'll just summarize.
Satan is the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. In fact, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred.
Satan was in heaven with God, and then aspired to overthrow his Maker. He was a special being. A masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." God then decided to restore the earth, but He created animals before man.
God's purpose for restoring the earth was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. Satan succeeds and became the god of this world. God didn't interfere because man as sovereign has the final say on whatever he does in the world. If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.
Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils as he pleased.
No, not freewill.
God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. However, God also has a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.
God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration.
God wants to cleanse the earth, remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. However, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.
So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new world. Satan is absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire. In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world.
God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, He wouldn't make provisions for his cleansing. Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined.
If antichristian2 understands this plan of God, he'll see the reason why Islam missed it, and also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed.
God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out, men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever.
You're just making this thing painful for yourself. Who created Satan? Yhwh! Is Yhwh omniscient? Yes! So why did he create Satan,a being he knew would bring in evil into the world and corrupt his angels and humans? When you say god has a rescue plan,do you mean flooding the world? Because an all knowing god would not flood the world if he knew sin would comeback. If he knew sin would return,why flood the world in the first place? What was the point?
FxMasterz: Isaiah 45:7 is talking of God's place as Judge. The good are created to reward good works, and the evils are created to judge evil.deeds. A judge creates death and life. That does not make the judge a good man or a bad man. God is Judge. You can do what you like as per your sovereignty but you cannot determine the retribution that would come unto you afterwards. Every cause has an effect which could be either good or bad, and they're all the creations of God.
Stop tryna twist and conjure up a mental gymnastics. It's stated there that he created evil. So the evil deeds you're talking about was created by the dude. Also if yhwh created everything in the world,how did evil come in? Are you saying he didn't know how it came up or he was usurped?
FxMasterz: It isn't contradictory. You just need to understand that God created the world for man and to be under the total control of man without any external inference. God created man as a totalitarian over the world. Whatever man permits for this world is man's choice for the world, and God does not interfere except when His intervention is deliberately sought.
You actually need to start relating with God to understand that man allowed the evils he's seeding in his world, and are majorly orchestrated by man himself. God does not interfere in man's leadership of the world. Man can enjoy whatever he created for himself if he considers it good for himself. God does not interfere except when invited, or when He decides to intervene occasionally for special reasons.
Man is a Sovereign over the world, and that sovereignty is respected by God.
Yhwh does not condone freewill. It's a myth promoted by Christians when Yhwh clearly trample on freewill of several people in the bible like the Pharaoh, Job,Nehemiah etc. Freewill is an excuse Christians give to put their god out of scrutiny but they pray every day for their god to change the heart of their bosses, spouses, governors,presidents etc thereby disrupting the freewill of those folks listed. It's really funny. Also how is there freewill if an all knowing god already knows what we're gonna do? Does it make sense? And finally, let's just assume for the purpose of this discussion that yhwh allows freewill. Then why punish humans for exercising this freewill? It's just like a dad telling his toddler"u can eat ice cream or rice but if you eat rice,imma punish u" of course the child ice cream since rice carries a punishment.
Also how come your god doesn't intervene even when man intensively seeks his help. Example is Nigeria. This is the most prayerful Christian country in the world according to research. Think about it. Does it mean your god doesn't give a fvckkk about prayers?
FxMasterz: The truth is that, knowing that there's a Cause is a good starting point especially if the intelligent order of things around you is not sufficient enough to convince you. Then, there's the Cause option to explore.
God is not hiding away. He is there in nature, in your conscience and in your intuition. Every human naturally have a leaning towards an unseen supernatural Being. Atheists work hard to shut down this intuition in themselves. Every human has that sense of God in his heart.
Now, when you genuinely seek to find and to know this God, and make all necessary efforts to find Him, He'll naturally draw you to Himself. He'll help you to differentiate between Himself and the myriads of fake gods out there. It all starts with desire. Over time, if you seek God sincerely, no matter where you are coming from, He'll draw you to Himself.
The universe is not an intelligent or perfect scenario. Neither is the human body perfect. I don't know how many times I'll tell you that. Please educate yourself So how do you know every human have a god leaning? What's your proof?
FxMasterz: I didn't call it god. I said if it's the Causer of all things.... This is one one the readings why I don't like engaging you because you never stand on truth.
That may be beyond you. That they can't happen at your frequency doesn't mean they cannot happen at a supernatural frequency. I wouldn't want to educate you on all those because I won't digress.
Are you this ignorant? Even screening 'I'm waiting' as if what I said is a farce.
Let me briefly educate you about the Anthropic Principle - The idea that the universe's fundamental constants (gravity, speed of light, etc.) are "fine-tuned" or calibrated for life on Earth.
Examples: - Earth's distance from the Sun: Just right for liquid water. - Oxygen levels: Perfect for life as we know it . - Water's unique properties: H2O's quirks enable life
Go and make further research. There are many more. Go research and educate yourself.
We don't know much but when we touch unnatural frequencies, we experience more. And those of us who have tasted the more can confidently tell you what you don't know. Your denials and rejections cannot delete our experiences.
But, at least we all know there's a Cause. And we call that Cause God, while you illogically say you don't know what the Cause is, therefore no God.
If your flying spaghetti monster means the Causer of all things, then yes. If it means something else, then no. You can call the Cause of all things whatever you like as long as you acknowledge that you're referring to the Entity that caused all things to exist.
Call Him what you like but you can never tell me that all that exists was caused by nothing.
1.So to you,the Causer of all things isn't a god? So what makes your own favorite Yhwh,both the Causer and god? 2.Oga,for the umpteenth time,you haven't brought evidence that there is something happening at this supernatural frequency. 3. No, Earth's distance from the Sun isn't "perfect" because its orbit is an ellipse, not a circle, meaning the distance changes (about 3 million miles closer in January, farther in July), but this variation is small (around 3-7%) and doesn't cause major climate shifts; instead, Earth's position is considered "good enough" for life, falling within the habitable zone, though it's not necessarily the absolute optimal, as the Sun's gradual brightening will eventually push Earth out of this zone in billions of years. Also humans can survive with air oxygen levels of 19% and up to 22%. We are adaptable creatures. So it's not a fine tuned environment for living,and it's undergoing change as we chat and argue. Water's unique properties enables life and so does other liquids. Water in the wrong part of the body can spell death. So it's not a function of water being perfect for us, it's a function of us being perfect for water.
And for the umpteenth time,what experiences are you talking about? Tell us about it. Remember anyone can pop up and fib stories. It's what we are seeing from your ilk like Adeboye,Lords Chosen etc.
I'm putting it to you that the the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all things,including your god. It's written in the scriptures.
I asked you a question. Do you believe in invisible unicorns
"Aunty E case was not detected early unlike your mom's. Linda McCartney, Kelly Preston , Ananda Lewis had similar challenges too (non JWs),but your preferred option of treatment didn't save them." [/b]
Oga read my comments I posted here. SHE HAD STAGE 2 BREAST CA,WHICH IS EXACTLY THE STAGE MY MOMS PRESENTED WITH. And just in case your JW addled mind has been so brainwashed u can't think,I'm a 20 yr old experienced physician too. So stop capping! Those people you mentioned presented at stage 4 which is terminal. Anty Esther was told she needs transfusion. No one transfuses terminal cancers. Ask any palliative care physician, or any physician foe that matter. What would be the point of the transfusion. Your deception is so mind boggling. You n MadMax know u r lying but too afraid to speak the truth
Janosky: Oga,did you & the Newspaper reporter saw her medical records? No. The woman did not specify what stage it was. You are making layman's conjectures ,you no see medical report.
Every sincere professional medical practitioner impacts hope & reassurance to his patient even if it's more like a lost cause. Positive attitude is part of the treatment process to put a patient at ease.
She specifically said the lesion was located in her breast and armpit,which means axilla. This is stage 2 breast cancer. Read the screenshot or better still tell a toddler to read. The woman herself said so. All the doctors had to do was mastectomy and axillary clearance,shikena! Her case wasn't a lost cause cos thats the stage my mother presented and she's currently fine. Stop lying to your dolttissh members
FxMasterz: If you've said you don't know, then no one would query you, but to say "No God" means you know. You know absolutely that there's no God.
Meanwhile, what you don't know is infinitely more voluminous than what you know.
You contradict yourself when you say you don't know and turn back to say there's no God
I wouldn't go into any detailed arguments with you because I can see clearly that you atheists don't want to be logical at all. If what you know is infinitesimally small considered to what you need to know, how can you talk in absolutes?
Your flying spaghetti monster mockery doesn't make any sense too. If the flying spaghetti monster is what you call the cause of all things, then, though it's invisible, then it's God. What we mean by God is not anything other than the Causer of all things because it is indisputable that there's a Cause for everything that exists.
There are things all around us that couldn't have happened or exist by accident. There are some that even require very precise calibrations to keep the earth in shape. You can't come and tell me that such numerous instances of precise calibrations were accidental. Atheism is practical nonesene. That's why most scientists don't subscribe to it.
Our world is just like a spec of dust in an ocean in comparison to the universe. We don't even have the knowledge of everything that exists in our world as we humans can only perceive things within certain frequencies. There are frequencies that we know nothing about, and which our instruments cannot detect. Then, there's the vast universe of which our knowledge is 0% approximately.
You,a tiny spec of dust in the scheme of things with all your limited capabilities to perceive cannot rise up to talk in absolutes. It's practically illogical. Very unwise.
The best you can do is to say "I don't know" and keep investigating. The moment you claim there's no God, you've already crossed the threshold of balanced reasoning because you don't know what exists within the frequencies you're unaware of, neither do you know what exists in the universe trillions of light years away.
You said the the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't make sense,then next thing u call it god. A theist tryna argue logic with atheists? Interesting Someone that believes in talking donkeys and bushes,mass zombie resurrections,sun and moon standing still is claiming to be logical? Your dealer is good. What things around us was calibrated? I'm waiting.... You say our world is a spec of dust and we don't know much. So how come you are confident that you yourself know anything? Answer this question. DO YOU BELIEVE THE the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of the universe? And why
DeepSight: + No but it is hard scientific fact that we cannot see most of what there is to be seen even around us. If you dont know that, the joke is on you.
I am not interested in this discussion if you wish to make kindergarten level jibes of it.
I didn't say ww humans can interface with all spectrums. You are not getting my point. So what if I tell you this invisible unicorn created you and i,would you believe me? Yes or no?
FxMasterz: Look around you, His evidence are everywhere around you. Nothing you see around you came into existence by accident. An intelligent programmer programmed them into being, and that includes your body.
Look around you,you'll see the evidence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. His Noodly Limbs is ever present
Nairaland General › Re: Nigerian Man Dies A Day After Inspecting Newly Completed Home by jaephoenix(m): 9:52am On Jan 13
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