₦airaland Forum

frog12:
it was not breast cancer she was diagnosed with.

ycat:
They do it a lot. It’s negligence. Some surgeons sketch their initials on the womb of patients, all these and more are why malpractice insurance is off the roof abroad.
Most doctors abroad are drunk and depressed, on top of that, they’re not allowed to say what they think to the patients, the board who aren’t doctors tell them what they should tell patients. People are now over diagnosed, overprescribed for. This is why they say, don’t go to the hospital if you don’t have life threatening injuries like broken arms and legs, all other things should be taken care of at home. But it all starts with lifestyles. Even abroad, you can come back home with the disease you didn’t have before going to the hospital.

Babatundehy:
Well, the error you made when you were "mentally low" is the patient who suffered this error alive and fully functional? You antagonise yourself, errors aren't allowed, and there are no excuses or justifications, how can there not be a theater nurse on ground for a surgical procedure? this is one of the reasons many affluent Nigerians don't trust the health sector here, people do not follow proper way to do things, grave consequences follow and the rest is stories.
There are many of these cases, most swept under the carpet, I have seen a surgeon excise a lump for proper testing while continuing to lament how he's supposed to be done and be somewhere else, how the excision was taking too long because of its attachment to the breastbone all while the patient was laying there and observing, he was even instructing a nurse to go check on his kid 😂 i doubt you'd have the same take if this woman was family, a daughter, wife, or mother.

Babatundehy:
This is the standard procedure, even redo the counts of gauze used after, the attending staff and surgeon all failed, this is definitely negligence and show of the littlest regard for human life, visiting hospitals where you have to rely on people who have personal struggles and systemic issues makes one seek the hands of God.

kaludestiny10:
I'm not into the medical field neither have I been to an OR before. On the issue of the patient contracting more infections, I believe that people that find themselves in the OR do disinfect themselves before entering there. The main issue here is the negligence on the part of the doctors that forgot foreign objects inside the body of their patient.
While in a Abuja some years ago, a similar incident happened at Gwagwalada general hospital and the woman lost her life. So what should be the way forward?

kaludestiny10:
I guess it's high time patient's relatives are allowed into the operating room to ensure that objects are not forgotten inside the body of their relatives.
This news is heartbreaking.

ReekyMass:
That doctor deserves life imprisonment and not just suspension.
Some of these doctors drink too much alcohol. Some even do hard drugs, some are occultic and into Ritualism

Ask4bigneyo:
Incompetent Doctors full naija

jesusjnr2020:
Oh your fellow NL atheists are now Christians?

Not surprised.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as millions are still trooping into the same religion you left due to the effort of those calling them.
Soldier go soldier come is what religion will always be there is never going to be a time when mankind will stop religion completely!😟

DoWhatThouWilt:
I thought you said God does not exist.

If God doesn’t exist, then God isn’t failing to protect anyone, because something or someone that is non-existent can’t fail.

For you to compare a Dog with God, you are indirectly telling us you believe God exists.

Thank God, HardMirror is no longer a "wanna be'' atheist.

LordReed:
The way he can't answer simple yes or no question is so mind boggling, yet he will come and demand yes or no answer from you and expect you to answer.

triplechoice:
Your claim that "no such laws exist in Lagos" is simply a statement of your personal ignorance, not fact. Regulations on noise pollution exist in Lagos state and are enforced in specific zones. That you see loudspeakers used elsewhere proves only that not all areas are restricted zones, not that the laws don't exist. This talk is irrelevant. The main point stands: such regulations , whether in Nigeria or the UK, are about public order, not religious suppression, If the intent were to suppress religion, only religious gatherings would be targeted. The fact that these laws apply equally to nightclubs, political rallies, and street parties proves their secular adminstrative purpose.


You're now contradicting yourself. At first, you stated this practice was "rife" . Now, you admit it is "not very common' .

So, which is it? A widespread, systemic problem ( rife)or an uncommon, individual failing ( not very common)You cannot have it both ways. This double-speak reveals that you are generalising from unverified, personal anecdotes to support a pre-existimg bias..

If it is "not very common" then you are describing the personal unethical conduct of a few individuals. This is a failure of professional oversight and personal ethics, not evidence that "religion" is causing national underdevelopment. It is wrong to blame an entire belief system for the misconduct of a handful of people who also happen to be believers.

If it is "rife" , then you are making an extraordinary serious allegations about the Nigerian medical establishment which you are a part of. The burden of proof is on you. where is the evidence? Where are the official reports, the hospital inquires, the media investigations ?

The truth of the matter is that you have no proof for either clam. You are using vague contradictory, and unsubstantiated stories to smear an entire profession and, by extension to support your flawed thesis about religion.

Furthermore, if you are a doctor and are aware of colleagues engaging in such malpractice, and you are not reporting them to the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria, then you are ethically complicit in the very misconduct you are complaining about


You're still missing the point, and now misrepresenting mine .

I never claimed any president,. Nigerian or American, said they would "depend on prayer instead of fighting" I said that references to faith by leaders, whether Trump, Netanyahu , Tinubu or a Nigerian official, are symbolic expressions of culture, identity, or morale. They are not, and have never been presented as , substitute for policy or action.

Finally, to be precise, I never said the US is a "Christian country". I said it is a predominantly religious nation, a demographic and cultural fact. Its development stems from its secular institutions, innovative economy, and rule of law, not from the presence or absence of religious rhetoric.

So please stop conflating symbolic speech with systems failure The failure is not in the gesture, but in the lack of effective follow-up action, a failure of governance and institutions, not a failure caused by either the Bible or the Quran.


You asked for honesty. Have I not seen governments in Nigeria organise prayers for national security"? Yes I have.

Have I also seen them in the same context, announce security budgets, military deployments, and policy initiatives?. Also yes,. Your implication that prayer replaces all actions is a straw man. Show me one official policy document that states; "We will cease all military and security actions against bandits and kidnappers, and rely solely on prayer". You cannot because it does not exist..

You're no longer arguing in good faith but deflecting to irrelevances about loudspeakers in the UK , personal stories about doctors and presidential rhetorics which are never a substitute for action anywhere in the world. The reason is to avoid confronting the collapse of your original premise that religion is the cause of Nigeria's underdevelopment or "demise" as you described it .

Nigeria will quicken its development when its leaders invest in education, build accountable institutions and reduce poverty. Whether a leader quotes scripture or not is irrelevant if the state is functional. Our problem is that the state is not functional, and that failure cannot be blamed on a holy book.

makavalley:
I come your door come knock beg you for food or come i be like online Almajiri wey you dey ask yourself how your life don beta?

triplechoice:
Your claim that "no such laws exist in Lagos" is simply a statement of your personal ignorance, not fact. Regulations on noise pollution exist in Lagos state and are enforced in specific zones. That you see loudspeakers used elsewhere proves only that not all areas are restricted zones, not that the laws don't exist. This talk is irrelevant. The main point stands: such regulations , whether in Nigeria or the UK, are about public order, not religious suppression, If the intent were to suppress religion, only religious gatherings would be targeted. The fact that these laws apply equally to nightclubs, political rallies, and street parties proves their secular adminstrative purpose.


You're now contradicting yourself. At first, you stated this practice was "rife" . Now, you admit it is "not very common' .

So, which is it? A widespread, systemic problem ( rife)or an uncommon, individual failing ( not very common)You cannot have it both ways. This double-speak reveals that you are generalising from unverified, personal anecdotes to support a pre-existimg bias..

If it is "not very common" then you are describing the personal unethical conduct of a few individuals. This is a failure of professional oversight and personal ethics, not evidence that "religion" is causing national underdevelopment. It is wrong to blame an entire belief system for the misconduct of a handful of people who also happen to be believers.

If it is "rife" , then you are making an extraordinary serious allegations about the Nigerian medical establishment which you are a part of. The burden of proof is on you. where is the evidence? Where are the official reports, the hospital inquires, the media investigations ?

I don't need to convince you cos I can't convince you. What you'll do is ask any doctor if Nigerian doctors tell patients to do spiritual stuff. One even went on Instagram saying that childbirth is spiritual and he fights spiritual battles.

The truth of the matter is that you have no proof for either clam. You are using vague contradictory, and unsubstantiated stories to smear an entire profession and, by extension to support your flawed thesis about religion.

Furthermore, if you are a doctor and are aware of colleagues engaging in such malpractice, and you are not reporting them to the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria, then you are ethically complicit in the very misconduct you are complaining about

Its no use reporting to MDCN. There's more Christians there who'll discard the complaint


You're still missing the point, and now misrepresenting mine .

I never claimed any president,. Nigerian or American, said they would "depend on prayer instead of fighting" I said that references to faith by leaders, whether Trump, Netanyahu , Tinubu or a Nigerian official, are symbolic expressions of culture, identity, or morale. They are not, and have never been presented as , substitute for policy or action.

Finally, to be precise, I never said the US is a "Christian country". I said it is a predominantly religious nation, a demographic and cultural fact. Its development stems from its secular institutions, innovative economy, and rule of law, not from the presence or absence of religious rhetoric.

So please stop conflating symbolic speech with systems failure The failure is not in the gesture, but in the lack of effective follow-up action, a failure of governance and institutions, not a failure caused by either the Bible or the Quran.


You asked for honesty. Have I not seen governments in Nigeria organise prayers for national security"? Yes I have.

Have I also seen them in the same context, announce security budgets, military deployments, and policy initiatives?. Also yes,. Your implication that prayer replaces all actions is a straw man. Show me one official policy document that states; "We will cease all military and security actions against bandits and kidnappers, and rely solely on prayer". You cannot because it does not exist..

You're no longer arguing in good faith but deflecting to irrelevances about loudspeakers in the UK , personal stories about doctors and presidential rhetorics which are never a substitute for action anywhere in the world. The reason is to avoid confronting the collapse of your original premise that religion is the cause of Nigeria's underdevelopment or "demise" as you described it .

Nigeria will quicken its development when its leaders invest in education, build accountable institutions and reduce poverty. Whether a leader quotes scripture or not is irrelevant if the state is functional. Our problem is that the state is not functional, and that failure cannot be blamed on a holy book.

Truthseeker10:
because I don't believe that a spiritual spider is controlling me. Simple.

are you saying that no one can interface with a spiritual spider and that a spiritual spider doesn't make sense to anyone?

LordReed:
You didn't answer the question and even when you said no it completely contradicts what you are saying so abeg it have do, I don belleful. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
I am not arguing about the location of God's council.

You feel it's excspisy because you still don't understand my angle of argument.

I am not even saying God's council is not in heaven. I am saying the dude's reference scripture was wrong. That's my point.

God can meet anywhere, but that's not what I'm arguing about.

LordReed:
LoLz. Why do you do this to yourself?

LordReed:
Where else would heavenly beings hold their council? Can YOU give us any scripture that says they hold council elsewhere?




Dude this is the thing with you, we have had this kind of discussion where you refuse to give a simple yes or no even though you demand same. Please answer the question with a simple yes or no.

FxMasterz:
This scripture does not say that the council holds in heaven. It talks about the heavenly beings. Not the heavenly place. Then, it talks about the council of the holy ones without mentioning the place of the council.

Then, your Job allusion does not actually fit because even if satan appears in heaven for a meeting, that does not mean he dwells there. You cannot say there's evil in heaven just because satan visits. You cannot say I have a cat in my house just because Mr, Donald visits me with his cat.



Now, I understand you. This is not what I agreed. This is what I inferred. I told you that the conditions in heaven are different to that of earth. That means, heaven does not necessarily have to be enjoyed by the same principle that applies to the earth.

FxMasterz:
Can you answer that question yourself and show us where the Bible claims God holds His council?




I've answered you so much so that I'm beginning to think I probably didn't get your question well. You might please come again.

LordReed:
The mental atilogun dance is ramping up. LoLz.

FxMasterz:
No, he doesn't go to heaven.



No, it does. I don't know what you said I conceded.

FxMasterz:
Evil itself is a byproduct of sin. Since the world has become a sinful world, it had to be balanced by good. And good is only enjoyable because of evil in a sinful world.


God didn't want zombies. He didn't want robots. He wanted humans who can choose their actions and be responsible for it. Only that condition validated love and loyalty, without which the world wound be boring. So, everything was good until man choose to obey a different master.



He created evil for the purpose of judgement because now there was sin I. The world. That is still different from the evil that arises as a byproduct of sin.

FxMasterz:
No. He didn't.


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So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.


So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.


It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.



Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

FxMasterz:
The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

FxMasterz:
All these are not necessary my friend. The point is that vehicles are imperfect. That does not mean they have no creator. And the fact that they have killed people does not stop the creators from continuing creating them. Simple!

But, as I have always said, you've never been sincere and honest even with yourself in conversations. The only atheist I respect on this forum is lordreed. Very honest and civil.

We're discussing with you that you have 0 knowledge of the universe and therefore cannot make any conclusions until you know all that's out there. Lordreed in all honesty agreed that investigations still continue, while you're here talking offpoint and arguing aimlessly.

I wouldn't respond to you anymore. What I know is that you cannot talk in absolutes concerning what is and what is not in a universe you have 0 knowledge of.

FxMasterz:
Offpoint.

The reason you know spider man is not real is because you know absolutely what's real in New York. The same logic does not apply to the universe where you know absolutely nothing about what exists out there.

Putindbutt:
After the Government has reviewed your allowances by 90 billion, the 90 billion has already added more expenditure to the budget every year. That one never do you, you still asking for specialist allowances?, Resident doctors o, these are still trainees o, asking for specialist allowances?. People who are not yet consultants o. E be like these people are not normal at all.



Look at another useless demand they are asking for, Lol. How can you be asking the medical college to issue you a certificate after Part 1 examination?. I just want someone to tell me these guys are not sick, biko. How can undergraduates be asking for certificate after only passing part 1 exam?. Do you enrol to only sit for part 1 exam, is certificate not supposed to be issued after you have fully passed all the exams to the final class?. Is like law students asking for certificate after stage 1. But I get it, they want the certificate for japa, so even if they couldn't finish the post medical courses till the final class, they can use the one they have to apply for japa, very useless people.

And some ignorant people who do not know what's going on will be quick to insult the Government when these doctors threaten the Govt with strike. They don't know that many of their demands are unreasonable and useless. But because they know the people are always sympathetic to them, they use that opportunity to exploit their crazy demands.

Doctors and lecturers be acting as if they're the only two professions we have in the country, always threatening the Govt with crazy demands. The Govt should also learn to sack them and replace them with those willing to work. Other professions do not disturb the country like these two greedy professions