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esnbrutality:
Before Israel bombed iran, they were bombing Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthi Militia terrorists. Supported by iran.

Now Israel has taken out top commanders and political heavyweights in Iran. Instead, iran killed Benjamin Netanyahu with propaganda abi?

America is now upping the escalation of attacks against Iran and you think the Israelis aren't involved? You are a joker.

I dare iran to even show useless bravado again...

People that have been decimated completely.

I dont even understand your point. You said Iran is too scared to bomb Israel,I showed you proof they actually did bomb them. You then say Iran isnt actively bombing Israel and I replied of course they ain't cos there's no aggro from Israel. You then reverted to events that happened earlier than this war like killing Iran commanders etc,which isnt part of our discourse. Then telling me Israel is involved in the war with US AFTER I TOLD YOU AND GAVE YOU EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED
Oya show me evidence that Israel is currently involved in bombing Iran

Hungrychicken:
I'm also certain you will not be comfortable with strange women touching your sons

No mind the hypocrite. She just dey post the stereotype answers without evaluating it

Samantha125:
Well, majority of sex predators are men and they've also been using grape as a weapon of destruction, so you can't blame AI for these responses... I'm also very certain that many of you men wouldn't be comfortable with seeing strange men touching your daughters.

Same way we wont be comfortable with strange women touching our saon,so whats your point

Dtruthspeaker:
The question is not about the universe but about the proof of God to us. Shikena.

I know. But you said the universe was created by your god and everything must have a creator. So since you said your god cannot be created,why must the universe be created? Why cant it just exist like your god?

esnbrutality:
Ofcourse..iran has the right to bomb Israel..

They did before abi...

Why are they NOT doing it again?

Instead they are bombing fellow arab Nations.

Make it make sense...abeg.

Nonsense

They are not doing it again cos Israel ain't bombing them again. Simple logic. They are facing the US for now. If Israel bombs them,then you see them bombing Israel. Why do you think Israel said they wont join US in bombing Iran? No be fear be dat?

Guestmale:
With what you wrote here,it has confirm Iran is loosing far more than America.

If you say so

Dtruthspeaker:
The way you openly lie and twist Truths, you truly are Satan's best child

The quotes clearly say "i do not deny the existence of God," which means that charles Darwin perceives God and upholds Him. Same for Thomas Edison who says that God is The Best Engineer, which means that he perceived God too. Same for the last guy who said shallow knowledge of science will make you an atheist whereas a deep knowledge of science will make you know that there is God and you shall believe In Him.

Yet, here you are lyeing by twisting it, . Smh

Why dont you believe in evolution like many of those scientists?
And would you believe in Shiva since some Hindu scientists believe he exists?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are always speaking phoo....shly.
Is it not people like you who are doing all those things it is talking about? How is it different from nairaland here reporting every disgusting and horrible thing you people do?.

You pick up someone's argument or point,twist it completely out of shape,context and size,and jump off in a victory dance

MaxInDHouse:
Here they are:
Oya present what you have achieved with the knowledge you have in science!🥱

Good. So how did Darwin intertwine evolution with a god? Waiting for the answer

MaxInDHouse:
Their belief in God is enough for me at least they know far better than you who has never invented anything other than relying on their works to condemn their faith.

Is that not hilarious?😂

Why dont you believe in evolution since those same scientists discovered, researched and believe them?

Kobojunkie:
1. All nations are founded on one religious idea or the other. There is no escaping that fact. You go to even the communist/socialist/marxist nations, and you will find atheism codified in the system. However, in the West, the idea of freedom of religion at the individual level allows most people to exist without having to have the religion of others shoved in their faces every day. This is the #1 of the other individual I had responded to.😒

2. I explained there how any comprehensive ideology/belief can take up a religious stronghold over those who allow themselves to be brainwashed by it. Anyone living in 2026 would know and understand this at this point. 😒

Not all nations are founded on religion. Starting your argument with falsehood doesnt make for good reading. Please how do you mean 'atheism is codified'?
In the Westerm country like US,religion forces some laws. Example teaching Bible in schools,banning abortions etc

Kobojunkie:
1. That is only true in a place like Nigeria where religion is air for the vast majority. That doesn't apply to athiests in other climes where religion rarely features in public life for most folks. 😒😒

2. Unfortunately, there is also atheism, the religion, which is what is at play here. Literally every ideology out there can be turned into a religion by those who allow themselves to become brainwashed by it. Atheism, for a great number of athiests, is a religion that their entire universe is centered around, and like every other religion, one they feel pushed to proselytize, even against the very logic and truth they pretend to stand for. So, when a so-called atheist uses belief in atheism as a reason to attack other religions, he does so mainly from a religious standpoint, no different than when people from other religions do the same. 😒😒

So u expect atheists to keep quiet while religious people attack us,make rules based off their religion and force us to obey them?
U well so?

Dtruthspeaker:
This is a very invalid question (off side) for 2 reasons

1) Told you before that it is an invalid questions because you are Presuming that He has to be create

2) Invalid question because it is the fallacy of shifting/Changing the Post.
The topic is proof of God to us and not proof of how God came to exist.

So, this is an invalid question like a football player using his hand to kick the ball is a foul

You're also assuming the universe has to be created,instead of just existing

HeatSeeker:
There is no universal standard or unit of measurement for GOD'S truth. Human beings differ in their levels of acceptance to this truth, hence, the outcome is a myriad of religious groups dancing around the same themes and giving different expressions and interpretations to what was revealed for the good of man. We will all experience GOD in different ways. Everybody cannot be boxed into a singular line of thinking.

So since we all experience god in different ways,are you saying all those denoms are legit and they'll all make heaven?

HeatSeeker:
This is part of the issues Atheist unknowingly grapple with. You are unable to come to terms that GOD is far beyond religious interpretations. Your issue is not GOD but the interpretation of GOD according to the Abrahamic faiths. To be honest, they have done quite a good job pushing GOD knowledge into the world, but there comes a time where people will no longer be satisfied with the state of GOD awareness they promote and will yearn for something more.

Scratch what I said earlier (this was not intended to be a thread for some hardcore esoteric stuff). You do not need to die to experience heaven! You can witness and experience GOD while you are still alive here in this world.

NB: You need to disabuse your mind from religious constructs

So how do we experience heaven and you experiencing it?
So since you say god is beyond human interpretations,are you an alien since you can interprete him? And if you cant interprete him,then why make claims that we humans cannot interpret him

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Because Allah means God.

It's understanding His ways they don't know not evidence of His existence!🙂

So you're saying your Jehovah is the same god as the one Muslims worship? No go make thunder from Jehovah knack u oh

MrSword:
What do baffles me is that....why will a sane human being be supporting iran.

Majority of all this insurgent groups are being sponsored by iran.

Iran don't like peace, they hate peace.

The only country that iran fears more than the US is Israel.....i want iran to mistakenly throw bomb enter Israel🤣🤣

Iran has bombed Israel in this war. For whatever reasons I dont know,you guys seem to tune off
A simple Google search should take care of this but no,you guys would come online saying all sorts

AngelicBeing:
Point of correction, no human being or Pastor or Prophet can heal

Healing is an act of God and it requires FAITH from the recipient to be healed

In the days of Jesus Christ on earth, he didn't heal everyone oooooo

You actually think someone would take his or her bath,dress up,drive or transport to a church or crusade,go through crowd and traffic,come to the church aisle,all with a faith of mustard seed? Can you guys be honest with yourself for once ffs!

codedguy1:
Very funny take, your enemy is pounding your main house with bombs destroying your roof, soakaway, palour and rooms while you are pounding there store houses that are far away from their main building and you think you have sense.

Its the same effects. Those infrastructures in GCC countries were built and funded by US government. They are manned by US citizens. The only difference is the location. So its basically the same as bombing US mainland. Iran isnt bothered about that

Guestmale:
Who is loosing more,is what America has lost compared to what Iran has lost.

Iran has lost less military hardware and funds. They may lose more people,but those are mostly civilians. Trump is busy bombing civilian infrastructure. Most Iranian military is intact
US on the other hand has lost trillions of dollars both in cash and infrastructure and nearly 20 military men. And they also have been hiding casualties, I believe you know that

NerdCat:
Lmao. Pfft, what have I said abeg, that intelligent posters don't already know about Dtruthspeaker a.k.a StillDTruth a.k.a Truespeak, except maybe OP Mariangeles who may or may not be familiar with him? Na him way, we don sabi am tey tey. Sometimes you just need lay down the facts so others don't waste their precious time engaging with circular nonsense. It was never about overkill, just about informing her on the background. When someone routinely derails threads with flawed, spurious, borderline insane reasoning, a detailed preamble "nota bene" from an observer with documented history about the habits and tendencies of the said individual is necessary to save everyone else from an endless, tedious un-merry go round.

We are used to Dtruthspeaker. He claims to be a lawyer but I wonder if he has ever stepped into courtroom battles. His logic is awful

MaxInDHouse:
Go and ask world renoun Scientists for what you seek!

People that knows deeper about science say they believe in God you that knows nothing said you get idea!😂

Would you believe in Allah since some Islamic scientists say so? I need a yes or no and not waffling and faffing

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you people claim you are the custodians of SCIENCE!😂

And you used the quotes of scientists to arrive at your god? Did they tell you the scientific process by which they concluded the existence of that god? For your information, they made such statement out of ignorance and gut feeling,not facts. None of their works actually points to a god. And science unfortunately doesn't work with hunches,it works with cold facts
Until their works actually point to a god,then its all hogwash.
I'm sure you know many Islamic scientists believe in their Allah and thinks he exists. Would you post their quotes here or believe them?
And why do you quote scientists and ignore their works? Why chrrrypick what to believe

HeatSeeker:
There are different ways to spread religious ideas. One of the ways this can be done is by pointing out what appears to be logical fallacies and inconsistencies in other religions (and believe me, all religions in the world have one or two lurking in their teachings). Atheists are famed for doing exactly this.

Unbeknownst to the atheist, you cannot validate the true GOD with your mind. It needs to be dropped for one to be able to come into the full experience of GOD.

So lemme guess...you dropped logic and evidence into the trash can,so you 'experience' this god? Good. Herein lies the problem... Many people also dropped logic and evidence and arrived at different religions. In fact in the Christiandom,this belief in faith and disbelief in logic and evidence is the reason its splintered into thousands of denoms each claiming to experience one god
Doesn't this tell you anything?

HeatSeeker:
This is too brutal

You guys need to chill
We will all die one day and find out for ourselves.

So this is basically the only response religious folks give: you'll find out later. Basically all the Abrahamic religions tell you that you'll find out that their own religion is the right one ONLY AFTER DEATH.
Now the question...How do you know yours is actually the right one since no one has died and resurrected to tell us they saw their respective gods. And yes, many have claimed to have resurrected with stories of afterlife but these occurrences happen in all the religions. So who would you believe?

Dtruthspeaker:
NerdCat: "Imagine confusing an unsparing intellectual dismantling with an ad hominem just because it hurt your fickle pride.

I'm the one hurt yet it is you who blocked me so that I do not easily see amd respond to your post?

And even though I do not know you but obviously by your blocking me, you know me and this is obviously a new moniker you have just given yourself. it And it is clear that you find painful . And your blocking me means that you know what i was going to say and you indeed got the Meno.

And your reply of not understanding your supposed " complex natural ecosystems is proof that the burden of proof has shifted to you as you are the one now with the burden of completing your understanding and then use it to come up with a valid rebuttal if your understanding can give you.

Or do you say you already understand? Then by the absence of your rebuttal in that paragraph, it clearly means that your understanding gave you no rebuttal.

Then moving on to your next argument saying
" If an iPhone needs a maker due to its complexity, then an all-knowing cosmic deity requires an infinitely more complex creator. You can't grant your God an exemption without committing glaring special pleading.".

First, i even warned you that it was a fallacious mantra, and you still said it. . Clearly proving that you atheists have comprehension issues which is obviously is a qualifying quality required for a person to join atheism.

And therefore, every reasonable person understands why you would not appreciate that your reply is ridicule full fallacious argument containing false equivalence and shifting the post and Off Point all because of your bigotry refusal to believe in God despite clear evidence which even you yourself cannot reasonably and validly rebut.

So, see, you guys have not said anything valid.

You heehawed and still managed to dodge and weave through without answering any of his points
Typical theist

Dtruthspeaker:
Your talking about intellectual engagement already shows the classic atheist lack of intellectual engagement as despite your abundant verbosity, you gave only a sprinkle of substance. All others are in the trash of ad hominem fallacy.

And you obviously never got the memo that we discharged the burden of proof in the subject of the proof of God in pointing out the fact that no thing in this world created itself exactly as no camry or iPhone or a.i can reasonably and validly lay claim to creating itself.

And it is hoped that you do not give your popular fallacious mantra of a counter. So, that issue is settled.

Even mariangeles here once dabbled with atheism when she thought they were making sense and I'm surprised that she now opposes them.

And funny you say you mind your business but here you are attacking a person who did not even know you exist, thereby proving the Truth of the said obsession you atheists have against Christians. Not Muslims or pagans (ritualist) oo who are also religious people too. But it is never them that is the object of hatred and obsession.

Anyway, it is the religion of atheists to lie when they see that they are cornered. Very sore losers like Argentina

So if nothing creates itself, who created god?
How do you know this particular god is in fact your favorite sky daddy and not Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Where did he get the materials he used to create the universe?
From your logic, you're attacking the person you said is 'attacking' someone else

MaxInDHouse:
They wanted to hide behind science but the deeper they go into science the more they are seeing the evidence that God exists. The problem they have now is shame because they don't want to swallow their former pride and ask the most important question:

Which religion is the truth or which one represents God amongst the tens of thousands different religions around the world?

Many of their leaders are confused after having indepth knowledge of science as they keep on seeing the evidence of God's existence! Romans 1:18-20

This one don carry rvbhishh talk enter the matter. As if e dey see atheists mind

HeatSeeker:
There are several ways to look at it.

1). Maybe because religious people are always in your face. Every corner you turn in modern day Nigeria, you see or meet religion. Even in everyday language, people always reference God. Nigerians are among the most religious people on earth. So, it makes sense for a Nigerian atheist to act in a manner that suggests that they are obsessed about religion. The religionist simply will not leave you alone.

2). Atheism is itself a belief system. And every belief system requires adherents to convert people to their ways. What you call obsession on the path of the atheist can be likened to religious zeal to win more converts.

As atheists we dont go around doing radio or TV shows to convert folks in Nigeria. So no,we ain't looking for converts. We just want to be left alone and to stop discrimination and hate

Mariangeles:
I have never come across a people so obsessed with religion, and "religious people".

For a set of people that claim to not care about religion, how come they're so obsessed, huh?

Me for instance, I don't concern myself with what I don't care about.
I consider it a total waste of time and energy.

Theists especially Christians disturb me early in the mornings with loudspeakers. Muslims do their own morning shout earlier. Christians disturb me with midnight prayers and worship. As I get to my car,they block me and hand me fliers,which I just ignore. They knock on my door to preach 'good news'. They block the rod while I'm going to work,so I have to take detours. And whats worse,they call me devil's child(which i dont mind)
So yes,I'll talk about religion though i dont interfere in their topics where they talk about doctrines

zoer:
If iran have the same opportunity US have piers Morgan wont be alive.
A country that is singing death to America and Americans and these lunatic Americans as saying otherwise.
Can pirce Morgan go to Iran or gaza and about "I am an American" without him beheaded?

America has been interfering and enabling the murder of Iranians since 1953. America armed Iraq with chemical weapons that was used to decimate Iranians.America oversaw the death of their Ayatollah.
Iran has every rights to wish death to America. You'd do the same if you're in their shoes
Some of you that dont know a shred of history are really irritating