You ain't going anywhere, mate. You are only posturing. You'll be here for years to come so quit the shakara. Do you know how many members say that they are leaving and never left?

Why do you let other members get under your skin, btw?

The woman coming from a man's rib thing could've been the bible's way of talking about genetic engineering, you know. The being (whoever he was) took some blood samples from the rib to geneticall engineer the woman. The bible is always very vague about it's stories.

logicboy:

What? you sound suprised?

Nothing surprises me with these religious guys anymore. As an adult, how can anyone believe that women came from man's rib?

Rubbish. Atheism is not a result of any high intellectualism. It is as a result of taking too much BS served by religions.

debokaz: A very funny but serious thread.Atheism I believe is a result of high level intellectualism.I had been where Avicenna is when trying to solve an engineering problem et al.Thank God I was able to return safe with my Islam.Various events lead to finding out about God.My conclusion is God cannot be scientifically proven.I lost a friend who was studying philosophy to madness because of this.The best people do is to resort to logic.God is divine.

Looks like the hierarchical structure in the religious heaven will be pyramidal like with the yahweh israeli children sitting higher up the pyramid than the jesus followers, christians.

Men will sit higher up the pyramid than women, of course. We all know how daddy yahweh despise women, according to the bible.

emöfine2: Are the roles of men and women according to religious constitution maintained on earth applicable in heaven? Or is there no recognition of gender in a celestial body/habitat?

Will those who "saved" the most souls be greatly rewarded than those who "saved" the least?

Are those who lead the most virtuous life on earth going to be favoured in heaven?

Will every "saint" be of equal standing and significance?

Poor christians. Being chased all over the globe isn't particularly nice, is it. Perhaps they staying home would be a good idea, no?

Does the church and it's followers even know the message of your lord Jesus? Most of the message was erased from the bible pages in the early days leaving just remnants, you know.

jmoore: The main function is to spread the message of our Lord Jesus Christ.

But we have other charitable duties to the world. But we have to use our wisdom in our function. You cannot see a starving village and go and start preaching. First give them food and other care(plus healing/miracles) before giving them the world of God.

It is a religion, dude. You may also consider it as some form of relationship with God, but you worship him as a god, don't you? That makes it a RELIGION, then.

jmoore:

Christianity is not a religion, it is a personal relationship with God.

Only those who do not know the facts will say that Christianity has not contributed much.

And what has all this got to do with the central theme of Jesus not being a christian? You christians just love to quote random verses that has nothing to do with anything.

goshen360: @ Psoter,

First are you a Christian? If not, You may not understand my revelation. Answer my question and I will show you a revelation based on this verse.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. John 12:24 KJV.

Am waiting for you.

Because there was no religion of christianity in his time?

Cheg-goon:
hw did u kw that Jesua christ is nt a xtian..?

Even God get sin. Read the old testament for confirmation of that.

Is the bible god a satanist?

No, they don't. They only think they do. That is "fake fear". If they truly fear the god they worship for what he will do to them if they do bad things, Nigeria should be a peaceful place to live in today, something which is not the case. Nigerians' fear of their god is complete FAKERY. HIPOCRISY.

Callotti:

Humans basically fear what they cannot see especially in AFRICA.
The fear of the unknown rules their lives.
End result? No progress.

So what's the point of making anyone believe in the existence of a GOD? That isn't going to make them RELIGIOUS anyway, should that be your aim.

Because they(the so-called MOG) are not in the business of helping anyone. Shine ya eyes and buy yourself some brain matter, dude.

deandavid: now we have seen that our govt both federal,state and local govt are delivering, Nigeria being a very religious nation, and our religious leaders both muslim and christian have great influence on the people. With this status and said responsibility in guiding the people aright and seeing to their well being,why cant this religious leaders help create jobs for the youths in their domains.i was in a catholic church last week and the announcer was mentioning millions collected from last year's harvest,i was wondering what do they do with this money? Ok they give the money to the bishop, and the bishop uses it to help the poor,by giving them food materials etc. etc. But is that wise enough? I dnt think so, WHY CANT THEY USE THE MONEY TO BUILD INDUSTRIES IN NIGERIA TO EMPLOY THE YOUTHS IN THEIR CHURCHES. All they do is open private universities, that only the rich can attend, including my our dear catholic church, We recently heard of a bishop owning 4 jets and starting an airline business, that is good, but not good enough, how many members can that airline employ. Why not do something bigger to employ millions of youths in their church that both the rich and poor members can benefit.

I totally agree with this post. You cannot LOVE what you FEAR. But most importantly, you cannot FEAR what you don't physically SEE.

Callotti: You can never respect or love something or someone you fear.
The reason Chritians will ALWAYS have a distant relationship with their God, while practicing relgion in HYPOCRISY.
What a miserable way to live and DIE!!!

Why should you fear GOD?
Especially where you cannot alter a cubic breadth of your lifespan?
You can respect him. . . . but fear is duly misplaced.

^^^ Okay, i'll be serious.

There are no miracles. What you refer to as miracles are nothing more and nothing less than "normal" things that we humans are capable of when we finally return to our full state of being. But right now, we are still in our fallen state because of our lack of belief in ourselves and our capabilities to do all these socalled miraculous acts.There is no healing act that any of those pastors are doing that all humans cannot do on their own. We all have that gift built in us, but turned off because we have been told that we don't have that capability. But we do have it.

To buttress this view of mine, watch this video clips,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nKSq2tV1kE

Watch all the 7 clips and get to know what we have not been told about us, and what is possible. Know thy self.

Yes, there are miracles. One example is nigerians clingin on to all these, foreign imported, desert dogmas and still living their lives by them in the 21st century. Now, that is a miracle.

Deep Sight:

Mutual respect is a better word.

Haha! It is like you read my mind because i just edited my post to add just that.

^^^^ IMO, when you truly love someone, you find it also easy to submit to that person. The two go together. Love causes submission. If the husband truly loves his wife, then he should submit to her in certain situations, and vice versa the wife in other situations. I don't need the bible giving me guidelines on that. This is just pure common sense.

But we have to be very careful here what we are calling "submission". Different people interprete that word differently. Personally, i don't like that word being used in the context of marriage.

To me, the word "submission" means to respect other people's feelings, and in this context, husband and wife should respect each other.

^^^^ Well, all i can say is that, christian women deserve men like romeo here. Because only women with zero self pride will tolerate a lifelong partnership with a person who thinks like our romeo, and tragically, there are many of such cases out there. Christian romeo meets christian juliet for a christian marriage made in the christian heaven and powered by the christian bible. What more can be said?

Happy married life to them all, especially to the christian women.

mama-gee:

Do you feel guilty when you've offended someone?

It depends on so many factors. Perhaps the question is better rephrased as, " Do you feel guilty when you've wronged someone?".

johnomowa:

Hmmmmmmmmmm! Am not still satisfy with the reply here guys. I need a good reply to this.

CAN ANYONE BE LIKE JESUS CHRIST?

johnomowa link=topic=434629.msg5931449#msg5931449 date=1271875758:

It is said that Jesus Christ died for our sin.
When he his alive, he does not have house, but walk from one nation to another
He suffered a lot on earth
He doesn't change his cloth while he was alive.
There are so many of what he did that i cant list here


Now can anyone go through those pain?, TELL ME,

-It is said that Jesus Christ died for our sin. - Who wan die for other people's sins? Is that not moronic? People are having their hands full dying slowly for themselves.

-When he his alive, he does not have house, - No one ssstupiddd reach dat level in the new millenium.

-but walk from one nation to another - Who wan dey waka about like a crazeman?Private jets are the in thing these days, and luxury hotels and villas, 2010 style

-He suffered a lot on earth - Naija people no dey suffer enough as it is now?

-He doesn't change his cloth while he was alive. - Are you okay at all? How is not changing one's cloth all one's life a virtue to emulate.

-Now can anyone go through those pain?, TELL ME,  - Can jesus go through the pain nigerians are going through now in their everyday life?

The ones you've listed already are more than enough, abeg. Anymore added to the list will probably make me puke. And you are wondering why people don't want to be like your jesus.

Romeo4real:

What these passages are saying that A wife's MAIN responsibility to her Husband is to Submit, and the Husbands MAIN responsibility to his wife is to Love her. The reason is - and you may find this contentious, Submitting to your Husband is a bigger guarantee of marital success than Loving him. Reason is (1) A Husband needs his wife's submission more than her love, as it is the submission that enables him to be the head of his wife and the home - as is laid down in the Bible - And if you ask most married men, they would choose Submission. (2) You cannot love him anymore than you were already commanded to do before you became his wife - Love your neighbour as yourself (Remember, this is the same thing the writer in Ephesians tells Husbands - to love his wife as he loves himself)

Also, a Wife needs her Husbands Love much more than his submission. God already knew that - because he created women that way. This why the passages are written unambiguously, with examples to boot. A Husband loving his wife unconditionally is a bigger guarantee of marital success, than any submission he has to offer. Women blossom and excel when loved. I know no woman who would choose for her Husband's submission over Love.

This has got to be the biggest crock that i have ever seen posted on this forum. It is true when they say that the way one interpretes the scriptures shows how that person is on the inside.Romeo must have an ego the size of mount everest.

Men don't need love from their wives? Men prefer submission of their wives to their love? What the. . . Abeg, my man, speak for yourself and don't draw all men into your egotrip.

With love comes respect.With respect comes deference. With deference comes submission, and this goes both ways.

When a family faces a serious crisis who are the people who face this crisis head on? Only the husband or both partners? We are not living in the bronze age desert society, in case you have not noticed. The family dynamics are different these days, especially in 2010.

mazaje:

I am an atheist, I do not believe in any God/Gods because all the Gods/Gods were created by men and their various superstitious beliefs. . . .

And you don't even have to believe in the creator. It is not required. What is required is the staunch belief in yourself to make the difference. Just get on with the business of living and experiencing and evolving. That is all that is required of all of us.

davidylan:

I'm sorry but that is your own opinion. It is NOT supported anywhere in the bible.
[/color]Perhaps you should try getting yourself out of the tiny tiny confines of your bible box which have been cleverly created by men to hinder your mind. Maybe then you would see the bigger picture.

davidylan:

We are not interested in owning the creator all to ourselves . . . those are His own very words. Sorry they dont fit into your own selfishly created ideas of universalism.

Oh yes, you all are. That is the very foundation your religion was built upon. That is why christianity(your religion) is a henotheistic religion. Look the word up in the dico. That is the very focal point of your intolerance of others' ways to their creator. Don't even try to deny that, davidylan.

And besides, you don't have a clue of GOD'S words, so stop trying to quote them. All you know, have and do quote on NL are just words of men who seek to control the minds of fellow men with words.

davidylan:

to be Your father[b] YOU have to be doing His will.[/b]

We all are doing it's will, davidylan. You don't have to be affiliated to one particular religion, sect or cult to be doing that. We all are, automatically. We are all on "doing the creator's will" autopilot. Difficult to digest for people like you who are ruled totally by the ego, i know.

noetic17:

Holiness, dude. The devil has no residence in a vessel unto honour. And morover, u can always "quantify" the words u hear and know it source.

Do not underestimate the devil, bro. You are not devil proof, especially knowing fully well the fact that, as a christian, the ego controls your mind totally.

noetic17:

what u have here is an imaginary "god" u have created for urself. so jagunlabi is a god? . . .did make the heavens and the earth?

Noetic, we are ALL parts of GOD, or maybe i should say, we are ALL physical expressions of GOD, and we all serve it, whether we believe in it's existence or not. It really does not matter one bit.

From the unicellular organism right up to sentient multicellular beings like us, we are all serving the true GOD via our existence in this reality and our experiences. So the creation question of yours is neither here nor there because it really is meaningless in this context. We should all just get on with the evolutionary journey(which is the true serving of GOD) that we are all here to undertake, theists and atheists of all kinds alike.

noetic17:

where is the proof that u love the creator? have u ever seen Him before?

The proof? My existence here is the proof. My participation in experiencing this reality is the proof. My desire to be involved in the evolution of mankind on this plane of existence is the proof. There is no better proof than that in existence.

As for your question about having sighted the creator before, that is a very meaningless question. It is neither here nor there. I do not need to sight it, i just need to get on with playing my part in the evolutionary journey of humanity. I play my part and let others play theirs, and all parts are valid or else they wouldn't be in existence to be played. My own view.

^^^ That or some other evil looking character from the world of the warcraft game. Another character i conjure up is the evil Sauron, from the LOTR saga.

After reading the profile of the bible god, this is the image that i always conjure up in my head in other to fit him,

Yahweh on his throne.