Sorry, evangelist, but i am not interested in the future, but only interested in the NOW, because the future does not exist except as thoughts in our heads, and when that socalled future finally does come, it will still be in the NOW.
What man does NOW will take care of his future, because the NOW is the only thing real that we have to interract with and experience.In the NOW, in this very moment we find ourselves, lies the only thing of importance that we will ever have, LIFE, thus GOD.Thinking about the future only takes us away from the now and thus from life, and thus from GOD.

This is perhaps the greatest fallacy of the christian doctrine, constantly focusing people's mind on the past and in the future that are neither real nor do matter, while making sure that people do not focus on the NOW, on the present moment where everything is happening and where it really count.

Zodiac61:

I bet Evang. Olu has never had a stiffy in his life.As for me,

Perhaps he does not have any kini.Not every man is a eunuch.Body na firewood?If it bothers God so much that we men get erections because we look at the opposite gender, why were we endowed with this bodily reaction in the first place?

babaearly:

Did you notice the pine cone on the Pope's staff? the same used on Meet me half way by black eyed peas? very familiar with the freemasons and other occult.

No, i missed that one.

No difference.One and the same entity with different terms of reference to divide people and set them against each other over trifles.

ThatBoy:

If i look at a girl and my manliness raises, have i commited adultery. If i watch tv and my manliness raises very hard, have i commited adultery. Thanks.

No, not adultery, but stiffery and hardonery.What is the matter with u, man?Why are you letting the thoughts of man(religious doctrine) keep you in this debilitating mind prison?

What is most important to you, lady?You are old enough to be able to answer the question and what action you should take.If you are going to be "defiled" by a man who is going to marry you, then let thou be merrily defiled till day break.Wetin dey am?Stop making a mountain out of a molehill, woman.

toba:

Theres definitely no doubt that christ is the key to life&death.
All muslims are mandated to believe in christ,likewise other believers like grail message,eckankar etc. I wonder how the world would have been if we dnt mention that name christ. Every part of the world,u hear in jesus name.

Don't over-deceive yourself on that word, bro.The word "CHRISTOS" is from ancient greek and has been around loooong before christianity was ever formed.Christianity merely adopted it.Besides, it is a dime a dozen term in those days when every person and their goats were messiahs in that part of the world.

benodic:

@bobbyaf
it is a pity that you have decided to keep your God locked up in a book, when God is alive and still speaking to ready souls today guiding them on how to fit in properly with the changing consciouness of the world today.

many christians have what i call frozen state of consciousness because they were not able to make the leap from believe to knowingness.

The knowledge of God is so vast and it is being taught on a daily basis through your experiences and through your dreams. a mere book can never capture the full glory of God as it is revealed to souls who are bold enough to call God their father to reveal Itself to them.

there is no need for argument. experience still remains the best teacher. are you ready to allow God to reveal itself to you outside the confines of a book. the choice of course is up to you.

Keep preaching it, bro.Perhaps some day, they will finally wake up from their doctrine induced state of hypnosis and finally leave their tiny bible boxes to experience the full glory of the supreme creator's vastness.Their minds' scope of perception and understanding has been reduced to such an extent that one can only show great pity for them.I hope they finally find a way out of their tiny mind prisons.It will be an absolute tragedy if they remain in them mind prisons from their cradle to their grave.

Chrisbenogor:

Is it me or are these God threads extremely boring these days?

Religions in themselves and the discussions surruonding them have always been boring and will always be boring.What can one expect from static, non-progressive and dead concepts?Thanks to non-believers who generate a bit of interest into an otherwise dour area of discussion through their nonbeliefs and nonconformity to the norms of these boring religions, religious debates can enjoy some little signs of life.I bet their heavens are going to be even more boring since no nonconformists are going to be around to liven things up(so they think).Their heaven will be an eternity of mind and soul numbing boredom.Yikes!! Even their god will die of boredom.

jessefly:

yesterday nite while mosquitoes were buzzing nd sucking
me nd my roomies were involved in some banter
well one talk led to anoda until we started dicussing the issue of wat Adam n Eve really did in the garden of eden
my roomies claimed it was intimacy that made God chase adam from eden not any apple
so pls house help me out here
was it really intimacy dat was the forbidden fruit or as it was in the bible a tree bearing the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?
thanks dude

Adam's apple is da fruit.

And the two masonic pillars with an arc above. . . familiar sight, is it not?Entrances to church cathedrals worldwide?There are more masonic occultic symbols in a cathedral church than in all the pop and rap songs ever produced put together.Should religious people stop going to church to avoid passing between them pillars and the arc above?Hmmm!This sheit with occultic symbolism has been going on for far longer than we can ever imagine."Hiding in plain sight" is what this symbolism game is called.

Keep up the good work, though, babearly.

toba:

I dnt think u fully understood nuella. She ment that such a person who doesnt have christ is not existing.

I understood the first time.Perhaps my version of what CHRIST is, might be different from hers and yours.

^^Interesting.Babearly, when are you going to take on the video games industry?There are more symbolism in there than most people can handle.Music is child's play compared to video games as far as occultic symbolisms are concerned.

nuella2:

A life without christ is meaningless. Such a person is just existing not living.

Quite correct.Christians, please take note.

manmustwac:

@post
do you really think that all our so called annointed men of god are living thier lives as if they are living it with christ?

People who live without christ can't know the difference.They allow themselves to be easily deceived by bogus and pious conmen.One needs to have the christ in one's life to be immune to such deceptions.

^^Oh, that one.The jewish tribal god and the word, LOVE, do not belong together in the same sentence.Putting them together is abomination and blasphemy.

^^YES!I would have.I owe it to the nigerian public to tell them the health situation of their leader.It does not hurt to be honest and truthful.Certain situations warrant it.Oyedepo is supposed to be a religious leader and not a politician for God's sake!

odedele:

– PRESIDENT of the Living Faith Church, Bishop David Oyedepo yesterday confirmed that he actually visited ailing President Umaru Yar’Adua at the Presidential Villa but declined to give details of the man’s state of health.

Bishop Oyedepo who spoke to reporters in Abeokuta, declined further comments on their visit to the ailing president merely saying “yes” when asked to confirm the reports in the newspapers.

Pressed to speak on the president’s health, he said “that is personal. I owe the public no explanation.”

This is a perfect proof that these socalled men of god do not give a damn about what ordinary people think or feel.They seem to hold allegiances to some other groups, but neither to their flocks nor to God.

eghosaobas:

Bishop Oyedepo, Archbishop Okojie and co went to visit Yaradua and decided to be quite of what they saw. Bishop Oyedepo said what he saw their is not for public consumption,even Archbishop Okojie said thesame thing. Why are these church leaders behaving like this? Are they fair as church leaders to hide the truth?

Why am i not surprised about their "keep mum" stance?Why are these people's opinions of any importance, anyway?

Depends on which "God" you are talking about.You need to be specific 'cos there are as many "Gods" as there are humans.

toba:

I agree, Thats why the crises tore u apart from christianity into living a life filled with more crises&confusion than those of christians

That claim is based on what?You don't even know me.My life is definitely not in crises, but in peace that passes all understanding,and the best way to achieve that peace is to leave a religion that is in crises, in tatters and without the christ.

toba:

Life without christ is life with crises.

It all depends on what is meant by [b]christ.[/b]Let us be reminded that christianity itself, as a religion, is in crises.That says a whole lot.

benodic:

@bobbya
f
your reply to my last post really makes me laugh.

why is it so difficult for people to believe that they too like the old prophets in the bible can have a one on one relationship with God and learn directly from God without just relying on what was written in a book about other people's experiences with God

God is not a stranger to us. it is only us who do not know our relationship with God. God is our father and It loves us with a love that has no comparison.

God is always waiting for the soul who is bold and courageous enough to leave the human consciousness and enter the temple within to learn about Its will for us.

and about God not being a killer i am talking about the god depicted in the old testament who sends the Israelites to wipe out their neighbours.

i said that the god of the Israelite is not the supreme God. the supreme God loves all souls equally and does not give a damn about your religion or tribe or colour. the supreme God can never send a nation to wipe out another nation because It is the father of all nations.

Well put, benodic.Religious folks who need a wrathful God are only exposing their dark sides that are full of wrath generated from their deepseated insecurities about what they believe in.They only want revenge on people who reject them through the rejection of what they believe in, because they have come to accept their deeply held beliefs as their identities and they feel highly insecure and threatened whenever those identities are rejected by others. How one projects God reveals who and what one is deep down.

Tattoo the image of JC on your butt so that it covers both globes, make sure you are wearing a see through robe to see the tattoo, and the angels in heaven will hail you through the pearly gate with beautiful rap songs.Just make sure that you do not tattoo the image of a black Jesus on your derriere, because that would be a blasphemy that will slam the pearly gate shut in your face.The JC tattoo to get you into heaven must have a full beard, long hair, white skin, caucasian facial features, and slim in stature.In order words, he must look like a hippie.

Any deviation from these recommended features will send you straight to the hell republic, in jesus tattoo name.So beware!

babaearly:

Can someone explain the origin of wickedness and evil?was it borne out of mans desire,by creation or lucifers invention?

Why is man so wicked and evil?Because the biblical god is wicked, evil and vile?Could that be the answer?Afterall, it is him that we humans are trying to emulate.If wicked acts are good enough for jehovah up there, then they have to be good enough for us human beings down here.He is our role model, isn't he?As above, so below. . .

InesQor:

@jagunlabi: Except you are joking, your reasoning is quite alarming, if you think God said that to Moses to stall on mentioning a name. God was stating the essence of His being.

"I am that I am" translates to what, today, we would call "The Prime Mover", "The Uncaused Cause". And that's what GOD was passing across to Moses. Ok?!

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@OP: Can you please tell us the one you refer to as God, when you say "names of God"?

That is your own interpretation,inesqor.It does not make your own reasoning any more valid.It just sounds fancy and that is all.It is quite clear in the bible that the jewish deity never ever revealed who he was even when he was asked pointedly, and there was no place in the bible where he did reveal his name.If you say there is a place, then show it to me.Either that or you are just engaged in nothing but fancy interpretations.

If someone ask you who you are and you reply with, "I am who i am", how do you think that someone would interprete your response?You guessed it, reluctance to revealing your identity.And that's it.

Logic is not an invention but a discovery.As we uncover better understanding of the world we live in, we also discover new and better informed logic.
Example, back in the days when the whole thought the planet earth to be flat, it was against logical reasoning to say that it was spherical because of the seemingly obvious fact that anyone living at the down end of the ball would surely fall off.But as the law of gravity was discovered and applied, so did a new and better informed logic surfaced as well to successfully argue that people can't fall off even if they live down under.

Parameters upon which logical reasoning is based is continually changing as we know more about our universe and how it works.As we discover new informations, we also discover new logic to go with them.IMHO.

One very popular name amongst christians is "I Am That I Am", that is if you can call that a name.
The meaning of that "name" is, [b]" Shut the Furck up, Moses, and stop asking me silly questions!I ain't telling you my real name!" [/b]That meaning came from a response from the character behind this jewish deity running rampant on the middle eastern desert, supposedly, who just did not want to reveal his true identity to his chosen prophet, to Moses' request for his name or identity.Due to whatever reason best known to this character, this deity flatly refused to reveal his real name to his chosen people, thereby forcing them to give him all kinds of weird names on their own volition.But modern christians(most especially nigerian christians) had to latch on to this particular phrase and pass it off as a name of a god.Absolutely hilarious!

I don try well well.NEXT PERSON!!

toneyb:

On a serious note brother, Please don't take some of my banters here seriously and I mean it. I did not expect any Christian in the house to respond to this topic at all and I truly mean it, I posted it only because I saw Jagunlabi, Mudley313, Mazaje and Zodiac on line yesterday and I decided that we should have some fun, I just wanted people like Jagunlabi to come and make me laugh with their short comments. But to my disappointment non of them responded to the topic. I made this topic only because Jagunlabi especially was on line and I wanted him to drop his usual comments because I noticed he likes these type of topics. No need to bother about my banters, this topic was mostly for the atheist here to share a laugh.

Sorry to have disappointed you, toneyb.I really don't have anything to say on the topic.

^^What is wrong with the advice?Two incompatible people to stay together for the rest of their lives and be condemned to unhappy life for what reason exactly?

Utter nonsense!Sorry if i sound insultive, but where do you guys get all these weird ideas from?When two people make a mistake of thinking themsleves compatible and then getting married, only to discover that they are not, they should then stay together by force because of what exactly?Why suffer yourselves by staying in a relationship(married or not) that does not exist just because you said "i do" in front of some priest?I just can't figure out some people's thinking.

Till divorce do us part.If the marriage does not work, then dissolve it and go your separate ways.Na by force to stay together?And this utterly insane concept of staying divorced once going through a divorce process. . . where do you guys get all these crazy ideas from,anyway?

toba:

dont waste your energy on futility,cos the substance we celebrate is Jesus&nothing more.Next yr we will still obey the gregorian calenda by celebrating Easter based on christ.So your thread changes nothing&im sure no one will listen to u.Except u can change the gregorian calenda.If not save your self the unworthy stress guy

Wow!So much anger!I must have touched a soft sensitive spot there!Truth, they say, is bitter.Oto oro , omo iya isokuso(translation; truth is the sibling of nonsense talk).

Don't throw your anger my way,toba, but direct it at those who have been decieving you for so long, and at yourself for swallowing all the deceptions hook line and sinker.