ogajim:

Malcolm X was a Muslim,

When I think of Jesus, I am not thinking of the one they show so often, no one from that region should look like that picture.

Which jesus do you think of then? What skin color does he have? What is his hairstyle? E get goatee? Can you show us the image of jesus that you have hung on your wall at home? Plenty kweshions.

Pardon my sarcasm, but maybe these men get drawn to catholic priesthood because they. . . . . love to do innocent young boys?

Now, does all these posts of yours have any ounce of common sense, or are you just in a flight of fantasy that only you enjoy?

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As you sit as judge to weigh God's actions, would you not be fair to consider all the evidence/exhibit tendered? Would you not be just enough to allow the accused to speak for Himself or be fully spoken for before passing judgement?
God's exhibit is His Word, the whole Bible. It needs to be considered in totality before sound judgement is rendered. You have ignored scripture parts whichsay God owns all things (heaven, earth, angel, devil, good, evil etc).
I know you consider it unfair that God will allow you live 'your own' life as you please. Yet you consider it fair to judge Him for using His own things as He pleases.

What pathetic excuses for a butchering lier of a deity. You should be ashamed of yourself. If allah were in yahweh's shoes, you would not be bending so far backwards to defend him. As a matter of fact, you would have been here raining abuses on him! Bigotry at it's highest.

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Take for instance, you have a shirt that got torn or old, or you prepared food and it got burnt or spoilt. It's yours isn't it? You've got the right to trash it as you please. You could burn the shirt, you could mend it, you could give it out, you could convert it to a 'night wear', you could make it a rag in the room, or kitchen, or toilet.
It sounds ridiculous for someone or worse still a cloth to tell you that you're wrong on the shirt's use. It may have served you. You used it in your promotion interview, or to woo some girl or something cute. You bought it expensive, it's made in bla and customized ble. Now, someone challenges you that you said the cloth is bad and you're still using it, or that you gave it to a less privileged fellow human.

Just listen to yourself. And here i am thinking that "perfect" beings like yahweh always get it right the first time. What a putrid analogy.

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   Anyhow this analogy sounds, that's kinda how you sound.
God owns and created the earth, the angels(both the good and the now bad ones), Ahab, the prophets, the devil. He owns all things. He can do whatsoever He pleases. It is His. But to come again to the human level, to put myself in your shoe 'unfortunately'. Has He really been unfair? We'll look at the Bible a little bit again.
Later, I have to go for now.

So, might is right, right? Should that be the proper characteristics and personality of a supposedly omnibenevolent deity? NOT!

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more than enough commonsense and only you can see it?

Forget not, image, that we are discussing religion here, where there is never any generous amount of common sense, especially in the christian religion. so, if my posts do appear to be devoid of common sense, that's because i am discussing your god and your religion.

I have always wondered myself. Here is a religion from a time and culture that despises women and here they are still clinging on to it for dear life. Wonders shall never end. Absolutely amazing phenomenon. It is like a woman clinging on to a strange man who has just brutally despoiled her, for dear life. Absolutely putrid, IMO.

All women belonging to all the three patriarchial desert dogmas are supposed to be atheists by now if they really have any shred of self-pride left in them.

Mudley313:

Why does any woman place her faith in the bible, its obvious god dislikes women and thinks of them as slaves and intimacy objects and nothing more.

God wants us to sell our daughters as slaves to pay our debts (Resolution for Americas debt maybe? It would work). And also women who are slaves dont get to leave after 6 years like men do.
So a woman who is not engaged or set to be married must marry her seducer? Man what happened to free will.

Leviticus 27:3-7 - We are more valuable than women! If you are ever about to be killed, simply offer your wife or girlfriend or female family member, we are much more valuable to God, he even says so.

Numbers 5:12-31- If you think your lady is cheating, you are supposed to make her drink holy water and dirt mixed as a test!!! Sorry Ladies I havent seen anywhere that god has a special drink to test us out.

NU 31:18, 35, JG 21:12 - Female virgins should be awarded for those victorious in war. Not just virgins but young virgins!!!! pe.dophiles get your Army registration done now!!!!!!
Wow! It gets worst for women, now gods saying if your a virgin and a man despoils you, as long as he is found and pays your pops a little money, you have to wife him.

DT 25:5-10 Ladies if you're widowed, your brother in law has an obligation to reproduce with you. You have to let us, it is gods word.

PR 31:10-31 - The able wife is to bring only profit and no loss, rise before dawn, buy land prudently, plant a vineyard with her earnings, keep her lamp burning all night, gird herself to work, be generous to the poor, lend a hand to the forlorn, talk shrewd sense, offer kindly counsel, and never be idle.

1CO 11:3-10 - If your a female and pray you need to wrap your entire head in a blanket or towel, why? Cause god says a woman has to keep her head covered while praying.
Gods telling you women, dont talk in Church, dont ask questions to anyone, sit still and shut up. If you have something you need to say, tell your husband when you get home. If you do tell him something he better already know though, cause God doesnt allow you to be smarter than us.

1TI 2:12 - If you are a female, and you are a teacher, God doesnt like you. Women are not to be anything which shows power over men.

1TI 2:9, 1PE 3:3 - If your a female, and you braid your hair, wear gold or pearls, or any other costly attire your f.ucked up. God doesnt like that either.
Makes all women suffer extreme pain during birth.

GE 3:16, CO 11:3-9, EP 5:22-24, CN 3:18, TS 2:5, 1PE 3:1-6, Says women are subjects to their husbands even if the man doesnt obey god, it says men should always rule over women, and that women were specifically created just for men.



So I mean how can yall follow this thing? Im sure there is a ton more in the testaments that show Gods sexist side if yall know any throw em up.

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You should talk with some common sense.

There is more than enough commonsense in my post, image. You probably refuse to see it. t is all good.

OLAADEGBU:

Enjoyed what,the dry joke?  You must have a very dry sense of humour.

ttalks:

I really enjoyed this!

Pleased that i could entertain you, ttalks. A little humour in a dour forum is never a bad thing.

2012? Let's wait and see.

Gentlebabs:

Hello Nairalanders! You are all invigted to the VARIETY PRAISE NIGHT coming up May 15, 2010, organised by Winners' Youth Ministry, District 23. The address is the church facility at 52/23Rd. Festac, Opposite First Baptist Church. The time is 11pm till dawn. Don't miss it for all the gold in Saudi Arabia. It promises to be impactful so plan to attend. For further enquiries pls call: 08027170231, 08033285809.

Come with your garment of Praise. Peace!

Na im be sey people wey dey live for FESTAC don become blessed with one sleepless night. My sincere condolences to them.

chakula:

I would like to let me know between jesus and yahweh who is god? because i have read a topic just now some xtians were said jesus is a god while some were decleared him not.what is the fact?

Another Jesus?
« on: April 21, 2010, 10:54 AM »
here is the topic.

My brother, that is a very difficult question o! The christians have yet to make up their minds on which one is which. They say yahweh is the daddy of jesus, then some say that jesus is daddy yahweh and vice versa, then some will come up with this three in one arrangement. . . whatever.

InesQor:

@Deep Sight: You're entitled to your opinions. Please stop persistently dogging me on Nairaland threads, I have no intentions to pursue useless disceptations with you.

@Rich_John: I don't believe it's the place of any Christian, or any other person for that matter, to tell WHY God does, or allows, what he does. My 2 cents.

OLAADEGBU:

This reminds me of the timeless Words of Jesus Christ our Saviour and Lord, saying:

"Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." -- Matthew 7:6

InesQor:

Thanks for that, bro

I really do pity these guys, really. If only yahweh was just a tiny wee bit nicer during his "fun" days, then it wouldn't be so dificult to defend him.

Now, here is jagunlabi's wager;

What if you died and discover that yahweh lied about heaven being his home, since he has already proved himself to be a bleeping lier? What if his real home is in hell and he is taking his "chosen" people there to continue kissing his butt for eternity?

If you have believed in yahweh all your life and worshipped him, you follow him to hell. But if you did not worship him and consider him as a false god, then you go in the other direction. So decide now, the choice is yours.

^^^ Kai! The guy never even die properly, im body still dey warm, and the christian vultures don start to dey judge am to hell. Sick.

chakula:

@jagunlabi,

i was study one topic just now some xtians declared that there is no god but Jesus and all of a sudden i came across to this topic and you are also saying dissimilar thing about the issue, please, edify me who is god flanked by Jesus and Yahweh?

Bugger me if i know what you are talking about, chakula. Can you state your question more clearly?

The most prominent hell creators and sustainers on NL are as follows;

1)Olaadegbu - Chief creator/sustainer/propagandist of hell
2)Davidylan
3)Noetic
4)May Kelly
5)Nuclearboy
5)Abuzola
6)Olabowale
7)Evang Olu

To these fellows, religion without the concept of hell is meaningless. So they keep on creating and sustaining this place of torture in their minds every moment of their lives. Must be a weird way of living.

kieryn:

lets get back to the topic. Hell created by God or not.

It depends on which God is being referred to. Manmade Gods(aka christian and islamic gods) create places like hell, because man needs hell to be created in order to scare fellow man into believing what he believes. Man needs hell for control, the creator of the universe does not. It can't be more straightforward than that.

kieryn:

@ Mad Max   and all other like him


You people make my head hurt. What ever happen to "just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin and thus death spread to all man because they have all sinned." If you bake bread in pan with a dent every bread that you bake in that pan will have a dent. Abeg  use short sentences and easy logic. You go make my head scatter.

Pardonez moi for coming in here, but i just have to because of your analogy. If i discover that the pan i am using has a dent that is consequently causing dents in my breads, i would either effectively repair the pan or replace it with one without a dent, logically, since i do not want loafs of bread with dents. What would be the point of leaving the dented pan to missshape the other loafs, only to throw them all into the trash bin afterwards?

The logical thing to do here is to take an EFFECTIVE step to make sure the rest of the loafs of bread are without dents, with emphasis on EFFECTIVE. If this yahweh really loved his creations, then he should have taken effective steps to correct what the problem was, afterall he had more than enough time to have done so, but he did not.

I hope that you can see the fallacy of your analogy.

fashionkid:

Hell is as old as d rebellion of d devil.i think d right question shuld be when did lucifer rebel.

And why did lucifer rebel? And please, no bible quotes. I don't read those things. I want a straight answer from you.

johntosin:

New names of Jehovah(please be free to add yours)

Here are mine

-Jehovah El Swarhgarrh (the one who protects my Jahcuzzi),
- Jehovah El Papparrazzi (the one who paparizes all my enemies),
-Jehovah El Karzzi rahzzi (the one who keeps me going) .
-Jehovah Zagaza (the one who zags my enemies),
- Jehovah El Bazooka (d one who destroys all plans of my enemies),
- Jehovah El Makanaki (d one who turns around all things 4 my good),
-Jehovah El Effizy (d one who is latest, current and sophisticated. His handiworks are more awesome than a thousand Tommy Hilfiger and Versace),
-Jehovah El Paraga (d one who strengthens my bones),
- Jehovah Oshiomhole (d one who fights 4 my rights)
- Jehovah Maga (d one who paid 4 my sins),
-Jehovah bluetooth (d one who connects me with blessings),
;DJehovah caterpillar (d one who makes ways for me) , Thank Him in your own way!,

Son of jehovah, i just wonder if there is anything that you can actually do for yourself.

One more name, though;
- Jehovah El Babysitter(the one who cleans your a.s.s every single time you make a mess)

oviezims:

    * Your weakness is not your birth right, so don't jealously guard it, but deal decisively with it.

Yes! Those words were the first that hit me like thunder bolt as i was meditating. Then, the following words of wisdom about WEAKNESS came to me. Hear them as they came so fresh and hot.

    * Any weakness you justify is reinforced in you.
    * Don't allow your weakness to be a celebrity in your life.
    * You can rise above your weaknesses if you 'will' and depend on God's grace and help.
    * The enemy always seeks to and attacks you from your points of weaknesses.
    * Your areas of weaknesses are the areas where your strenghts have failed to be expressed. So drill through your weaknesses to bring out your strenghts.
    * Remember, Hebrews 11:33 says ", out of weakness were made strong"
    * Your weakness is a coup against the best in you.
    * A man controlled by his weaknesses will ultimately become a fabricator of excuses.
    * Don't pet your weakness
    * Your weaknesses are strongholds in your life that you must pull down.
    * Weaknesses in your life can be your very strong task master if you don't deal with them.

DON'T EVER TURN YOUR WEAKNESS TO A CELEBRITY. ONLY MEDIOCRES DO THAT!

http://wordsforexcellentlife..com/2010/04/dont-turn-your-weakness-to-celebrity.html

Wow! Religious folks should cut this, enlarge it, frame it and hang it on their walls, because this write up is definitely pointing at them. Religious folks are the ones who have to endure their weaknesses being made into celebrities as they are constantly being told - via the doctrine of their faiths -  that their weaknesses are their virtues and their gods love them for that, and so will always take care of them.

If only Marcion had been successful in his attempt to cut yahweh out of the christian doctrine in the early days of christianity, modern day christians would have been spared of the frustrating tasks of propping up a jewish deity that has become an embarrassment, redundant, meaningless and out of place in this modern era. A deity that still hold meaning in worlds that are just as out of place as himself. . .  places like nigeria. . .

FreshLand:

I have heard it several times: DISCOVER GOD'S PURPOSE FOR YOUR LIFE. But how I'm I going to do it? If any have an idea, pls pass it across

Thanks

You will know the answer from within you. Whatever drives you on in life, whatever motivates you, whatever gives you deep fullfilment, is your purpose. Only you can know this and no other person. So look within and you will see it.

How did you manage to rid yourself of the burden of fear of yahweh's wrath? When did it happen and what was the tipping point that did the fear in?

This topic is for those who are without fear of the jewish tribal deity of destruction, ofcourse. If you are still in fear, then you are by no means qualified to contribute, naturally. 

Please, you people should stop persecuting the christian doctrine!Lol!

Seriously, though, the christian NL "warriors" will be well advised to stop typing any new sentences on this topic in defence of yahweh hence they keep on shooting themselves in the foot. Everytime they type something, they seem to unintentionally commit harakiri.

It must be terrible to have to defend a despicable being who took pride in documenting - in no uncertain terms - to the whole world just how vile he was in those days.Yahweh was a vile, lying piece of . . . , and he truly enjoyed every minute of it. Let's just leave it at that.

@labiyemmy:

na wa o.

Poster, why do people drive cars these days since cars were not driven in the biblical days?

LMAO!!

petphunt:
Our fate lies in our own hands. What we do today will hurt or heal the future. God has no plan for this world. The future of the earth is in our hands.

And that is called, "growing up".

Deep Sight:

^^^ What are the points. Please do tell. Just curious.

I promise not to extend discussion based on what you add.

Okay. The main point that ties the other points together is the possible existence of parallel universes.Are parallel universes existing in different dimensional planes physical or ethereal(i prefer that word)? There is nothing to suggest that they can only be ethereal, which means that they can also be just as physical in nature as our own universe here, but only just existing on a different frequency on the dial as our own universe hence we cannot perceive them.

Someone mentioned angels being spiritual beings with physical bodies who can appear and disappear between the socaled spiritual heaven and this physical realm. So that would mean that they are interdimensional beings, but that does little to qualify them as etheric beings. That only tells us that they are physical beings with interdimensional shifting capabilities. Interdimensional travel can be done technologically too, even though we humans do not have this technology yet, seemingly.

So where is this socalled heaven in which the christian god yahweh and the angels supposedly reside? In a physical world existing in a different dimension? Since we cannot perceive parallel universes with out 5 senses, could they be qualified as etheric worlds? Personally, i do not think it to be so. What is physical is physical, irrespective of where it exists, in this universe or in any other universe.

The main question here is, "should parallel universes be considered as "spiritual realms" based on our very limited sensory perception, or should they be considered only as physical universes merely existing on a different dial, despite our inability to perceive them?" If we do qualify them as the latter, then one would immediately see how a physical body can exist in them, because they are also physical universes. But that is still not the spiritual realm.Perhaps this is where the christians arguing for the possilibtiy of physical bodies existing in a non-physical realms got themselves all mixed up.

I don't know whether you are familiar with the new discipline of physics called, HYPER-DIMENSIONAL PHYSICS. This discipline deals with this kind of stuff.

Deep Sight:

Wwell I must apologise. The debate was kept up for the simple reason that I was losing my mind over the astonishing claims made by some adherents of the christian faith here.

But I guess the points have already been made and the thread should be left to die in peace.

Claims that God wears a physical body in heaven are just out of this world - no pun intended.

So its done with then.

Actually, i was tempted to keep the debate humming along with some new points that you debaters left out of the discourse. But i won't bother.

Okay, so let me get this clear. There are now three kinds of "bodies" according to christians;

1)Physical Bodies
2)Spiritualy Bodies
3)NEW! Glorified Bodies(or Jesus Bodies ):- which is claimed by one NL member that it is better than the spiritual bodies(whatever "better" might mean)

Religion definitely has some creativity lattitude in it. Make it up as we go along. Must be fun. . .

Officerricky:

I've come to realise that it doesn't really matter wat we do, how much we try to please God and obey his words, how much we earnestly yearn for His fellowship, how much input we put into the progress of His gospel. When the time comes for the "will of God", none of these are taken into consideration. God goes all the way to cause pains, break hearts, cause sorrows, agonies and regrets just for His glory to be made manifest. I can't but remember the blind man that was made blind for 38yrs just for God's glory. Some people are created and then some wicked qualities are instilled in them just for the glory of God to be made manifest. These things are just driving me crazy. I know u might wonder why i'm saying all these. It's just my mother. She gave God everything she'd, served Him, was devoted, prayed to Him for long life and prosperity. And all God paid her back with was untimely death at 45. I know somebody is going to tell me it's God's will but can't He just consider the pains and sorrows He causes to the people He created just to effect these wills. I'm just don't understand!

Why don't you just accept that your god is a mean, vile and sadistic SOB just like it is written in the OT and end ya confusion? The bible does not lie about his character, or have you forgotten that? The bible is the word of god. . .

davidylan:

the major stumbling block is your own need to force God into your own mould.

Don't we all do that? Most especially christians. Is that not what this "christian salvation" thingy is all about? The unconscious desire of man to "own" God, driven by the needs of his egoic mind.

I can't believe that you guys kept this ridiculous debate up for this long! Physical beings existing in the spiritual realm. . . absolutely nonsensical.