karo93:

^^^^^^^
very funny!
you have a wild imagination though.

Yes i have, don't i? You have to have a wild imaginations to be able to create gods and to wrap religious structures and contents around them. It can feel like creating a comic book superhero/heroine, this gods creation business. It is a very creatively and imaginatively rewarding endeavor, indeed! And it can be a very lucrative business also, if you know your way around and have a good head on your shoulders.

Deep Sight:

The grim reality is that we are saddled with a male God and his male child (who must be worshipped) simply because the judaic society that gave birth to these myths was male dominated.

Simple.

No other reason.

Yes, it is very obvious that these religions were created by very patriarchial male brains. And it is so male dominated that you will have to forgive somebody who sees these desert deities as very homosexualish in their "divine" natures. So gayish in nature that the bible god had to be reminded by his male creation that he needs a companion. Thank GOD that the bible deity did not provide another male for adam! Wahala for shele from that day onwards!

Posted by: Deep Sight

Inesqor –

I am at odds when you speak about “having heard and understood the person of Christ and still rejecting his deity and sacrifice.”

I positively assert that there is enough reason within the Bible itself to suppose that the questions of his deity or sacrifice are totally irrelevant to salvation.

Indeed what is relevant is the disposition within the heart, and also the “deeds” of each man.

The bible supports this -

From the first letter of John chapter 2 verses 3 and 4.

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3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Another translation renders it thus -

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3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God’s loveb is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

Thus showing that the Christ-like life of love and brotherhood is what is required for salvation.

Furthermore there is great emphasis to be placed on this -

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Acts 10:34 - 35: "Of a truth i perceive that God is no respecter of persons, but in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. . ."

Let's not forget the full context of that verse.  Cornelius was a gentile, a roman whose prayers, kindness and service to the poor went up to God in simple purity.  He had no knowledge of Christian or even Jewish theology. – Quote from Pastor AIO

Furthermore lets have a look at this -

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Revelation 20:11-13:
The Final Judgment   
11 And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.

The foregoing is painfully clear that each person will be judged on the basis of their deeds.

An acknowledgement of Mr. Jesus from Nazareth is thus devastatingly beside the point.

Again have a look here -

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Matthew 25:31-40:

The Final Judgment
   31 “But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
   34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was unclothed, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
   37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or unclothed and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
   40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’[/b]

I cannot go on.

It is vitally clear that each human spirit shall account for his own deeds, his state of heart, and this actions to his fellow man.

I cannot emphasize the point enough – “rejecting Jesus Deity or sacrifice” are items that pale into pagan insignificance beside the eternal truths cited above.

Gracias.

Deep Sight, please quit frightening these people with those scriptural quotes. You are making them quake with fear and confusion. You are giving their egos some serious burning. The truth that salvation is not based on the criteria invented by the christians and for the christians will be too unbearable for a lot of christians here.

It is an anguish that a lot of them cannot bear, so their egos will keep on fighting to deny this all too obvious fact. It is horrendously painful to not be the only special creations of the one true creator in the whole universe through their precious beliefs as they have been so falsely taught.

Our deeds are the only criteria for  salvation? Bugger me, that is way too much for these folks to swallow! It is just way too painful for these folks to bear! Why? Because these folks were brought up and indoctrinated with the doctrines of henotheistic religions like christianity, or judaism and islam, which were all built on the foundations of the FALSE SELF, the EGO! These religions are ego driven and that is why they are termed, HENOTHEISTIC.

As long as these folks continue to be totally controlled by the false self, the ego, they will continue to see the doctrines in which they grew as the only criteria for salvation. End of story. The only way they can see things otherwise, is to first of all KILL the ego in them, or atleast loosen it's grip to a large extent so that it no longer controls their thoughts, hence their lives through their religious outlook. Quite a big number of christians have done this already (Gabry is a shining example of such christians) and the numbers are growing steadily day by day, so it is obviously not impossible.

^^^ Seconded.

noetic16:

This is so DRY and uncreative . , . .u lack inspiration

toba:

I taught i was the only one who couldnt find sense in the epistle Jagunlabi posted.

Image123:

jagunlab is so pathetic I didn't even bother myself. This are the ilk that criticise scriptures and say it's story written by fishermen. With all the resource available at your beck and call, that's all your intelligence could imagine? go and get salvation, that's your eminent need

Looks like some christian egos have been burned again?

toba:

Jagunlabi u re yawning dust.
Hell wasnt created for man by God initial,it was for satan.Matt25vs41 hell was created for the devil&his angels. Also note that God doesnt want men in hell but wants pple to repent 2Peter3:9 that all men should come to repentance.
If anyone refuses to believe in jesus/God,such one is choosing hell. God didnt force Jesus/himself on anyone,if not all atheist should have been wiped off by God for refusing him.Yet he didnt do that,Everyone will choose where h/she wants to end up.Hell will be the home of many at the end.In fact hell is enlarged to accommadate alot of God reject.Isaiah5:14 say hell is enlarged awaiting candidates who prefers there.

And see who is yarning dust.

Sometime after God was done with the creation, a group of very angry looking people who called themselves christians(based on the name of their religion) came looking for God. They came to him to make what they felt was an urgent request;

Christians:
God, we are very sorry to have to disturb your well earned rest, but we need your urgent help.

GOD:
Ooooooooohh!!! What is it, now? What do you all want.

Christians:
We have a problem that is burning us inside.

GOD:
Problem? When did i create you that you are already having problems? What do you know about problem, eh?

Silence.

GOD:
Okay, fire on with your request.

At the word, "fire", all the christians flinched and trembled seriously.

GOD:
What is wrong with all of you? Why did you all tremble like that?

Christians:
Because of that word you uttered just now. . . the "F" word.

GOD :
Do not lie against your creator, humans!! When did i utter the word, "FURCK"?!

Christians:
No,no,no! Not that "F" word . . . . the other one . . .

GOD:
Oh, you meant, FIRE?

A great trembling from the christians.

GOD :
Eyah! You people's problem is urgent, indeed! Hmmm, where did i go wrong with you people? Okay tell me quick!

Christians:
You see, we christians have this belief that only we believe in. . . and we want others to believe in it too.

GOD:
Ehen?

Christians:
You see. . .  we want all of them to believe in what we believe in, so we try to preach it to them, but instead of immediately accepting what we preach to them, they just make fun of us, and tell us that our belief reeks of cow dung. You see, our belief is. . .

GOD:
Stop! I don't want to know what your beliefs are! I am not interested in them one bit! So what do you want of me?

Christians:
We want you to make a little place for them to roast for eternity, because anytime they reject our beliefs, they burn our egos, so we also want them to roast and for eternity to avenge and satisfy our ego.

GOD:
Is that all?

Christians:
Yes, our lord!

GOD:
Mtscheeeeeww!!!! Is that why you all came to disturb my rest? Don't you have a little respect for the wellbeing of ya creator? Mttsssshhhheeeeww!! Don't you all know that you have already created that place of fff. . .  eternal roasting by yourselve?

Christian:
Really? How did we do that, our lord?

GOD:
By thinking it, it has already been created in your minds, and that is all that it takes. I don't need to do anything again! Look at these idiots coming to disturb my resting for something they've already created by themselves and for themselves. Nonsense!!

Christians:
Please, forgive us, o great one. But how do we get them into the roasting place we've created for them in our minds?

GOD:
Keep telling them and yourselves of it day after day after day until it becomes so real in your minds that it seems to start consuming you all from within, that is all. You can then herd them
into the place of eternal roasting that you have created in your minds. That should give you peace of mind again. Now go away and let me continue with my rest!

Christians:
Thank you, our lord! We are truly grateful to you, eternal father.

But God is already fast asleep and snoring. The christians qietly left looking very happy indeed. Their collective ego has just been given a very big boost.

Let me remind all asundry that the image of Justina Christ, the only begotten daughter of jehovah, must be extremely gorgeous. Oh, and she must be brown skinned. Awaiting submissions.

Thank you.

huxley:

In which of the seven days of creation did God create hell?  Did God design and create the world with HELL in mind or did he create it as an after-thought?

The christians told him to. They went and disturbed him in his divine state of chilling out after a hard 7 days work of creation to create a place of eternal torment because god obvously made a little faux pas to have created people who simply refused to believe what they believe in, and this was burning their egos real bad. Oh, and btw, that was how they came about the hellfire idea, for the record. Burning christian egos immediately turned to burning hellfire for all unbelievers. That was ommitted from the bible pages for obvious reasons, ofcourse.

Hello there to one and all,
i am about to make a formal request to the RCC and the pope to add a new testament into the bible. It will be called, "the millenium testament", and it will be centered around the teachings, 12 lovely female apostles, divine status, character, charisma and personality of our Lady Lord, the queen of queens, the only sister of jesus and begotten daughter of god, JUSTINA CHRIST.

But i need worthy images for our lady lord Justina for the presentation to the pope, so i need picture contributions from you guys. Please, post images to this thread for review and consideration and make them as big as possible. The reward is eternal life in heaven.

Contributions only from male nairalanders,please. You ladies already have jesus, so leave justina for us guys. Thank you.

toba:

To Richard Dawkins, atheists exist to buy his book.

And to penterascal pastors, christians exist to buy them private jets.

. . . hotblooded guys like me would've hung around christianity to worship the living daylight off the divine chica, provided she is as goodlooking as her big brother. This is trying to answer the question in another thread on why more women go to church than men, making them more religious.

Is it a wonder then that so many women are christians? With the son of yahweh looking so handsome and dashing, and so photogenic, or maybe i should say, "portraygenic", the population of women worshippers has always been guaranteed to be high. If jesus return to earth now, im go nack taya! . . .

If only jesus had had a sister, i would've had the posters of the sexy begotten daughter plastered all over my abode, my vehicle, my place of work, my T-shirts, tattooed the image of the begotten babe all over my body, and fantasize over her every night. What would she have been named? Justina Christ, most preferably to match the name of big brother.

But as things stand, only christian babes can do all the fantasizing with the posters of jesus "prettyface" christ.

Too bad yahweh never deemed it fit to have had a begotten daughter. So, what are you guys still doing in a religion with no feminine side for us guys to oggle? What are you doing with a male god with no wife, no daughter, nothing. Na only bone to bone! C'mon guys, let us all go and worship godesses Athena or Diana. Those babes are more than seksy . . . If we have to worship somebody, atleast let us worship some beautiful and voluptuous divine wench.

bebrief:

May God forgive your insolence! I do not want to describe your comment cos it's so shameful.

Silence is the best answer for a F.O.O.L.

May God applaud me and give me two thumbs up for telling it as it is.

Loud cheers are the best answer to a honest person.

WOW! Allah is really hungry for worship! He is so desperate for it that he pours woes of all kinds upon anyone who deny him of his daily FIX! Atleast the muslims are not pussyfooting around on concluding that their deity is a very very finite being that needs to be fed like a wild animal house pet needs to be fed to prevent it from running wild and turning savage on it's owners.

So, please keep feeding allah, all ye muslims,  so as to stop him from turning on you all.

nopuqeater:

51:55: And remind, for indeed, the reminder benefits the believers.
(And remind, admonish by the Qur’ān, for reminding truly benefits believers, [these being] those whom God knows that they will believe).

51:56: And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me.
(And I did not create the jinn and mankind except that they may worship Me: the fact that disbelievers do not worship [God] does not contradict this [statement], since a purpose does not have to be realised [in an act, for it to be valid], as when you may say: ‘I sharpened this pencil in order to write with it’, even though you might not actually write with it).

51:57: I do not want from them any provision, nor do I want them to feed Me.
(I do not desire from them any provision, [either] for Myself, for themselves, or for others, nor do I desire that they should feed Me, or [feed] themselves or others).

51:58: Indeed, it is Allah who is the [continual] Provider, the firm possessor of strength.
(Indeed it is God Who is the Provider, the Lord of Strength, the Firm, the Stern.)

51:59: And indeed, for those who have wronged is a portion [of punishment] like the portion of their predecessors, so let them not impatiently urge Me.
(And for those who have wronged, their souls through disbelief, from among the people of Mecca and others, there will assuredly be a lot, a share of chastisement, like the lot, the share, of their counterparts, who perished before them. So let them not ask Me to hasten on, the chastisement, should I give them respite until the Day of Resurrection).

51:60: And woe to those who have disbelieved from their Day which they are promised.
(For woe, a terrible chastisement [will come], to those who disbelieve, from, upon, that day of theirs which they are promised, that is, the Day of Resurrection).

Well, i guess it is all about having an experience in this reality that we find ourselves in. There is always that freewill(even if limited to a certain extent) to choose what we would like to experience.

If i, as a nigerian and out of freewill, choose to experience a life of utter repression, i guess i would become a muslim and move to somalia or to northern nigeria in the sharia regions. It is all about personal choices.

Enjoy your experiences because that is all they are, experiences. Because when you die, you've just logged out, the experiences have all come to an end, and that's the end of the "interractive repression show".

So, enjoy ya repressive experiences, all ye muslims

^^^^ I am sure he was referring to the christian version of salvation or he wouldn't have directed the question at you. Thread was directed at christians who maintain that non-christians will not have what they(christians) think is salvation simply because they (the non-christians) are unbelievers of the christian faith. So, why are you still dragging ya feet? Answer the question from your own christian point of view. How deep sight understands the word is irrelevant at this point. The christian definition(s) that you and the rest of your brethrens hold firmly to is what counts for now. So, go for it.

^^^^ Is the poster not referring to the christian definition of salvation? Why do you have to ask deep sight, who is not a christian, to define a word that is practically a christian logo? You, inesqor, as as christian, are supposed to go on the christian definition of salvation, so quit pussyfooting and answer the question.

How can any african willingly submit themselves to such an experience of bondage is beyond me. I can understand the arabs doing it, afterall this "way of life" originated from them, but africans partaking in it? I just don't get it? Why

If this "no music outside islamic recitations" nonsense ever takes root in northern nigeria, i can foresee a future of mass migrations of the more progressive minded northerners to the southern regions.

balium:

the prophet [muhammad]s.a.w said young children in this condition will be commanded all to go to hell but some will wait and say to Allah[s.w.t] that it is unfair for them to go to hell since they did not come to the world. Then Allah[s.w.t] will say that those who have headed to hell among them would have been the one to obey him on the surface of the world and they should got to paradise but those who have waited to lodge their complains will be the one to disobey him and they should go to hell.

Hahahahaha! You're joking,right? Surely. . .

InesQor:

^^^ You may like to remember that Job was not a Jew. Don't be close-minded.

Oh, okay! So Job was a non-jew who got royally screwed over by the mighty yahweh just for fun's sake. Apart from the fact that that story only confirmed yahweh as a sicko wacko deity . . so what? It does not disprove the biblically supported fact that yahweh is nothing more and nothing less than a jewish tribal god, the "SANGO" of the jews.

InesQor:

@jagunlabi: YHWH is not the Jewish tribal deity. And I do not wish to speak further on the matter you seek to pursue, because you have an iron-cast mind

He is not? Since when? Why are the jews his only chosen people then? BECAUSE HE IS THE TRIBAL DEITY OF THE ANCIENT HEBREWS! He was a made-amongst-the-hebrews product.

InesQor:

God does not require your worship.

If the god in the bible does not need our worship, why then did he ask for it? After reading the bible, it was like he was BEGGING for it. Unless you are talking of a totally different deity, ofcourse.

InesQor:

[size=13pt]When you are truly his, you will indeed worship.[/size]

Followers or supporters of tyrannical figures always worship them, most probably out of fear. This does not say much about anything not already known except to reaffirm the tyranical nature that has been attached to that word, "GOD", through the genocidal acts of the wrathful biblical god and the quranic allah.

InesQor:

[size=13pt]If i soak a towel in a river, I don't need to beg it or require it to drip when it is brought out of the river.
It drips automatically.[/size]

I am trying hard to understand dis ya metaphor . . . let me see;

1)The river is the tyrannical figure
2)The towel is the tyranised figure
3)The dripping water is the tyranny.

If i got that right, then one does not need to wonder too much to see why the tyranised will be willing to worship the tyrant when the tyranised is already dripping with tyranny. Absolutely putrid.

jagunlabi:

Haven't you just described that evolutionary dance between the creation and the creator with your detailed breakdown of what the word "worship" means?
- Come to be equal to - alludes to the evolutionary process from a lower state of being to the higher state in order to reach an already existing higher standard of being(the creator's)
- "to come to equal to" - see above
- "or to turn towards the highest or best values" - again see above

And staying with yahweh, the jewish tribal deity, would you, inesqor, regard this deity as the representation of the highest and the best values that we must all strive to attain after having read the OT section of the bible?Is this deity, in your own view, deserving of any act of worship?

To me, he does not even begin to make the cut, but that's just my own opinion. What about yours?

http://homepage.mac.com/paulbeedle/worship.html
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The verb "worship" means "to shape worth." The meanings of "worth" suggest the purpose of worshipping: to come to be equal to, or to turn toward, the highest or best values. To worship is to give useful, instructive shape to those often abstract values, to symbolize or articulate them in memorable and helpful ways. We create, and we cut back, the words and symbols we use in worship according to their usefulness. They are never fixed, but do endure as long as they serve the purpose of showing us the good we strive toward (or of binding a worshipping community together).

Haven't you just described that evolutionary dance between the creation and the creator with your detailed breakdown of what the word "worship" means?
- Come to be equal to - alludes to the evolutionary process from a lower state of being to the higher state in order to reach an already existing higher standard of being(the creator's)
- "to come to equal to" - see above
- "or to turn towards the highest or best values" - again see above

So you can see that that breakdown of yours does agree with my definition, so what are we arguing about?

We can also go on and differ on the structure and contents of an act of worship. Your definition gives no clear suggestions on what and how this should be. So, if you go ahead and claim that the act of worship is the way the world religions do it, i can easily reject that and make my own claim that it is the evolutionary process we all go through in this existence that is the TRUE act of worship and we can argue on our differences till the cows come home.

^^^^First of all, i have my own definition of what worship is, or else i do not use that word. To me, as far as i am concerned, existence itself is the worship, the eternal dance between the creation and the creator. Any other definition to me is babash.

Secondly, i usually avoid the use of that word because to me, it is a swear word in the way it is used in the religious circles. Nobody becomes the creator's after he/she/it has been created. EVERYBODY in existence is the creator's. All things in existence is GOD'S.

I know the ego of the average religious person will reject this statement because of their ego driven hunger for specialness, but that is just the way it is. We're all GOD'S, so get over it.

^^^^Inesqor, your existence is already a worship. Your existence alone already means that you are God's own. That is true for all in existence. Nothing that is not the creator's own is in existence. And once anything is in existence, it is already in worship through it's existence and evolution.

Any entity that demand affiliation to a particular cult, sect or religion and then ask for praises and adulations and worship, is automatically a fake god.

KAI! See arabic mind bondage at work o!

Image123:

Jagunlabi
You're not clear, stop wasting my time.

I am sure that you have your own definition, so why not spit it out.

mantraa:

I think you already know the answer.

Gods will die if the stop worshipping them, just like all the other thousands of dead gods that people stopped worshipping, such as Zeus, Thor, Apollo, etc.

The gods didnt create humans. Humans created gods to fill the gaps in our understanding of our own existence. The truth is we dont yet know exactly how we got here, but a lot of people find this difficult to accept so invented gods as a source of comfort. They worship these gods thinking that they will keep them safe from harm and provide a place for them when they die.

You're quite right, mantraa. I do concur with your view. All what these religions do is keep all these gods alive and fresh in the minds of human beings upon whose belief their survival depends. Without the minds of man to keep them alive, they will just vanish into oblivion in a matter of a few generations at the most.

Deep Sight:

We are a natural expression of the ultimate transcendental reality, which is what people call God: and that reality requires nothing from us.

. . . except for us to evolve to our full potential as beings of much higher consciousness. Whether we do it spiritually, scientifically, or both ways at the same time, it really doesn't  matter, as long as we just keep the self evolution of our species going, that is all that is required of us, that is the true worship.

joe4christ:

@Sarmy When the bible says God created man in his image and LIKENESS what does that mean to you? Go back to the old testerment you'll discorver how emotional God could be atimes, HE FEELS SAD, HE GETS ANGRY, HE SMILES, LAUGH AND WHAT ELSE? SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE WONT EQUALY CRY, REMEMBER WE POSSESSES ALL THIS ATTRIBUTE AND GOD EXHIBITS THEM. REMEMBER HOW MANY TIMES JESUS WEPT IN THE NEW TESTERMENT!

The bible god felt those emotions because he was a finite being that was either created by the imaginations of ancient hebrew priests, or he was just a remnant of a once super- advanced race in the pre-adamic era. Either way, his display of emotions declared him a finite being.

The true GOD cannot laugh on IT's own, it laughs through us. When we laugh, it laughs, when we feel it feels, when we cry, it cries, and so on and so forth. GOD can experience emotions ONLY through us.

Lol!And where did the bible god spring from? What is the genesis of the bible god?
In the beginning, the bible god sprang from nowhere . . .

Image123:

What is original sin?

Somebody ate some fruit and pissed somebody off sometime ago in some garden . . .