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tctrills:
Now no one said Jesus Christ does not have a father but just as I and my father bear the same name, Jesus Christ and his Father are both God and the bible clearly teaches that in both the old and new testament. Do you now understand?

Tctrill the polytheist confessed he has 2 Gods-One God Father & another God, Son.
Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12, did Jesus tell Tctrill Jesus is a Worshipper?
Did the God of Revelation 1:6 & Revelation 3:12 Worship His Son?

tctrills:
Now no one said Jesus Christ does not have a father but just as I and my father bear the same name, Jesus Christ and his Father are both God and the bible clearly teaches that in both the old and new testament. Do you now understand?

tctrills:
Do we have 2 saviours?
Do we have 2 beginning and end
Do we have 2 Father's (Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father and I bet you his father is also and Everlasting Father.
Yet you fail to understand that Jesus Christ is God like his father.

OLAADEGBU:
"Did Jesus rise from the dead in the same body in which He died?"

Though He was raised physically, His body was a glorified body.

Continue reading at: http://ow.ly/21Gt50N92n5

You did NOT even attempt to answer the question you raised.

Was Jesus Christ born with a glorified body?

Mumu Churchians

tctrills:
Since you don't know who Jesus Christ is, please read his own words and learn.

Revelation 1:7
King James Version

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

tctrills:
Since you don't know who Jesus Christ is, please read his own words and learn.

Revelation 1
King James Version
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Revelation 1:1 the revelation which God Almighty gave Jesus.

Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father......"

"Serve his God and Father", Greek Revelation 1:6.
Revelation 1:6 = Revelation 3:12.
3 deities slave deceiving himself.

Dtruthspeaker:
Switching the burden will not work. You are the one to defend your position and you could not,that is all. Loser!

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one throwing tantrums and trying to make a reargument after seeing that you have no valid defence.

Since 18th February at 7:48pm, you are yet to provide any evidence for your rants on this forum.

Noise maker deceiving himself.

sharpgospel:
You've chosen what to believe. Farewell.

tctrills:
I can see why you are uncomfortable quoting the verses you are mentioning. We both know that the bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. You modern Christians keep inventing strange things.

sharpgospel:
The usage in that context connotes it is present in tense. If it is copied, it means that this is the correct phrase. There it supplies that Exodus 3:6 is 'I Am' not 'I Will Be'.

As for the Jews, they are wrong about many things.

tctrills:
The bible never spoke of a supreme savoir. So if you believe the Father is a Savior and Jesus is also a Savior, why do you find it Hard to believe that Jesus Christ is also the God of Israel

tctrills:
But Jesus Christ is God and he is Jehovah

sharpgospel:
Not interested in arguing but for whatever it's worth let's have this Scripture here for whether Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is for present 'I am what I am' or for 'I will be what I will be.'

Here:

‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”
Matthew 22:32 NKJV

Mathew here interprets 'I Am' to be present in usage not futuristic.

He is not the God of the past(dead) nor of the future, but God now and always.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
Matthew 22:32 was copied from Exodus 3:6.
Did you see "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" at Exodus 3:6 screenshot?
No !
E no dey Exodus 3:6, e no go dey Matthew 22:32.

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh for Christendom: 'I am what I am'.

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh for Jews: 'I will be what I will be.'
Nah the Jews dey correct. Nah Jewish language.

tctrills:
Here a re a few questions for you:
1. Who is the savoir? Jesus Christ or his Father.
2. Who is the beginning and the end, Jesus Christ or his Father?
3. Who is the God of Abraham, Jesus Christ or his Father?

Steep:
have you checked the verb to be?
Jehovah is the only being that uses I AM consistently to describe himself.
verse.

Steep:
Even new world translation interpreted Asher Ehyeh as I am in other verse.

Steep:
Did you not see the verb "be" there

Go and check the meaning of verb "to be"

Simple question:

Oga,Is the verb " to be" (Ehyeh) present tense?
Forget what your Trinitarian mentors told you.
For once,be honest on this forum.

Your opinion can NOT change what the Jews believe screenshots evidences PROVEN here).

The Jews says the appropriate rendition is:
" I will be what/who I will be".


The only reason Christendom stuck to your claim is because of their desperation to DUBIOUSLY link Exodus 3:14 & John 8:58, even though John 8:23-26,38 , Jesus Christ contradicts Christendom's claim.

John 7:16 & Acts3:13, did Jesus & Peter agree with Christendom's interpretation of Exodus 3:14-16?
No !

tctrills:
Oga what if I also quote sholars to show you are wrong would that settle it?
But I don't need to even quote Hebrew scholars because the verse explains itself.

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

Did you not read the ending phrase? Say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

I Am is clearly used as a name and noun in this sense hence your explanation can't be correct

AllenforGOD:
janosky abi na madosky,you and max are zombies following ONLY the teachings of the stupid councils in your satanic tower.
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tctrills:
You seem not to be getting it. No one said that the Father was not the God of Abraham and co but the bible makes us understand that Jesus Christ was all that too

tctrills:
Again you are wrong. I Am as used in Exodus is a noun. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. I Am is clearly used as a name.

The Tetragramatton YHWH is @ Exodus 3:15-16, NOT "I am" at Exodus 3:14.


Exodus 3:15 YHWH is my name from generation to generation", Oga check am nau

Your mentors of Trinity made the FALSE claim you parrot again.

Steep:
"Asher Ehyen" is a general verb used to describe being in Hebrew.
It is used for past , present and future,

Jesus use of "I AM" is the same way yahweh used to describe himself in Exodus 3 vv 14.

tctrills:
Now let's read the verses you mentioned
Exodus 3:14-16

14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Now don't the scriptures you quoted make it super clear to you that both Jesus Christ (I Am) and his father are the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob?

Peter the apostle taught by Jesus, what did Peter say about Jesus Christ @ Acts 3:13.

Exodus 3:14-16 = Acts 3:13.

The God ( ho Theos) of Abraham sent Moses @Exodus 3:14-16 and also the God ( the same ho Theos of Abraham) sent Jesus Christ @ Acts3:13.

Have you forgotten that Hebrew language does NOT recognize present tense?
I am is NOT Hebrew Exodus 3:14.
Hebrew Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh meaning " I will be what I will be"
Oga Tc,you love deceiving yourself

tctrills:
To the next verse, John 7:16

16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
We both agree that Jesus Christ (I Am) has a Father so what's your point here?

Not one of these verses shows or tells that Jesus Christ (Jehovah) is not God. The Bible, both the old and the new testament call him God.

AllenforGOD:

Exodus 3:14 compare to what Jesus said in John 8:24 and 58
take ur weed maxinthecow'sbutt

38 I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father. But you are following the advice of your father.”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am![k]”
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Footnotes:
[k] 8:58 Or before Abraham was even born, I have always been alive;
Greek reads before Abraham was, I am. See Exod 3:14.
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John 8:38,58.
God Almighty has a Father?
No!

The Footnotes says Greek reads "I am" @ Exodus 3:14.
Did the Hebrew old Testament @ Exodus 3:14 say that?
No!

Compare Exodus 3:14-16 & John 7:16 & Acts 3:13, did God send himself to the Jews?
No !


Judaism the form of worship of the Jews says no !
There is nothing like present tense in Hebrew language. "I am" is NOT Hebrew language.

Exodus 3:14 "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh meaning "I will be what I will be"

AllenforGOD:

Exodus 3:14 compare to what Jesus said in John 8:24 and 58
take ur weed maxinthecow'sbutt

38 I am telling you what I saw when I was with my Father. But you are following the advice of your father.”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am![k]”
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Footnotes:
[k] 8:58 Or before Abraham was even born, I have always been alive;
Greek reads before Abraham was, I am. See Exod 3:14.
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John 8:38,58.
God Almighty has a Father?
No!

The Footnotes says Greek reads "I am" @ Exodus 3:14.
Did the Hebrew old Testament @ Exodus 3:14 say that?
No!
Compare Exodus 3:14-16 & John 7:16 & Acts 3:13, did God send himself to the Jews?
No !


Judaism the form of worship of the Jews says no !
There is nothing like present tense in Hebrew language. "I am" is NOT Hebrew language.

Exodus 3:14 "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh meaning "I will be what I will be"

AllenforGOD:
then you must have taken your night weed instead of the afternon,that's why u don HIGH

AllenforGOD:
then you must be in thesame lane of absurdity even as Maxinthelizard'sbutt is.
e gbe were e koshi lo jo

AllenforGOD:
keep in delusions

tctrills:
When you insult someone you disagree with, it shows the kind of mother you had. It's ok to have different opinions and not insult.

Now to the verses you quoted

Matthew 28.19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The clearly depicts them as 3 not 1

To the other 2 verses, I agree with you that Jesus Christ and not his father, was the I Am of the old testament.

Steep:
Ehyer Asher Ehyeh can also be interpreted as I AM that I AM

Courz:
Here is a video about the Pennsylvania JW Child Sexual Abuse cases and the Pennsylvania House of reps battling to pass a bill to enable Victims of Child Sexual Abuse come forward to hold their abusers accountable regardless of how long the Abuse took place. The Senator pushing for the Bill happens to be a Victim of Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZnDB9F9rk

AllenforGOD:
Ignorant punk
matt 28:19 depicts the Three as God Himself.
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AllenforGOD:
what God told moses in exodus 3:14 saying He's the I AM,Jesus even said so in john 8:24'58.
stop deluding your life.

Is Jesus Christ his own Father?

Have you forgotten your mentors @ Nicene say they are 3 persons?

In heaven Jesus was in the presence of God "I Am" his Father. John 8:28,38.

Or you mean there are two (2) "I AM" in each others presence
Your John 8:58 is TWISTING of holy scriptures.
Exodus 3:14 Hebrew is "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh", I will be what I will be"
John 8:28,38 dumped your John 8:58 GIBBERISH inside dustbin.

AllenforGOD:
dumbo
john 10:3
"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE/THESAME"

AllenforGOD:
you really are a goat

they may be one as we are one"

John 17:21-22 the words of Jesus Christ no dey him Bible.
Confused churchgoer.