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sagenaija:
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1. Jesus, in his humanity subjected himself to God the Father's will - "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness."
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV

Trinitarians twisting of the holy scriptures.
@ Phillipians 2:6,Would holy spirit give Paul a revelation conflicting with John 14:28?
1 Error:
There is no Theiotes (nature) at Philippians 2:7
Greek morphé (meaning "Form" is NOT nature.
2 Error:
John 14:28, Jesus says he has no equality with God his Father.
Therefore, Jesus can not use equality that does NOT exist to his own advantage.
Your fellow Trinitarian devotee,Bill Mounce Greek word for word Interlinear proven your NIV twisting fraudulent.

sagenaija:
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2. God called Jesus 'Son' showing that they are co-equal - "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."
Hebrews 1:8 NIV

4 different evidences against your NIV Trinitarian version:
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The Jewish language Masoretic Text of Psalms 45:6-7, "Thy throne given to God"
Hebrews 1:8-9 is a copy of Psalms 45:6-7.

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Psalms 45:6-7, the Catholic Jerusalem Bible, staunch Trinitarians.

#3
The Message Bible,Moffat Bible &other Trinity worshippers @Psalms45:6-7 reject your Trinitarian twisting of Hebrews 1:8.

#4
Would Paul a Jew twist a scripture he quotes from the Hebrew language scroll?
Definitely no!!
The screenshots evidences speaks volumes

MaxInDHouse:
One thing i've noticed about him is he loves straightforward questions and straightforward answers. So instead of typing so much that will confuse him just pick things one by one like you're studying my book of bible stories with a toddler.
I'm sure that will work!

DeepSight:
Acts 10 vs 34-35:
Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right."

I have never paid tithe in my life and have never belonged to any of the sorts of Churches you describe: I have never had or followed a pastor. However in my youth I was a JW.
Please stop making presumptions regarding a total stranger.

As you follow JWs study Bible reach, you & Achorladey LEAVE Bible truth dey misquote Acts 10:35.

Acts 10:35 = Acts 15:9,14-17, Every nation of the Gentiles are chosen to bear Jehovah's name.
Acts chapter 10, the conversion of Cornelius,a Gentile,is very luminous.

Prior to Jesus ransom sacrifice, only the Jews were chosen to bear Jehovah's name, Numbers 6:27 & 2 Chronicles 7:14.

These Boys, Wake up from your self deception

sagenaija:
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When simple questions are not answered directly it becomes obvious that you are running away from something.

If, like you claimed, the Jews had always believed that God is their Father, why would Jesus calling God his Father be a bone of contention between him and them?

sagenaija:
Did the Jews not believe Moses and the prophets had direct relationship with God? If they didn't, why would they accept what came from them as coming from God?

sagenaija:
When Jesus was arrested before his crucifixion and the priests all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”(Luke 22:70) was it that they forgot that they were all to see God as Father? This their question clearly debunks your position that they saw him as "making himself somehow important than any other servant of God prior to him". They CLEARLY had more than that in mind.

So, your other argument is that it was only because of some "feeling that's he's turning himself to God before them" that they resented him. They had some "feeling". Interesting! Just a feeling.

They latched onto Luke Luke 22:69-70 "the son of man sitting on the right hand of the mighty God". (Serious issues for Trinitarian claims on Isaiah 9:6, two mighty Gods of Trinity worshippers )

sagenaija:
Are you aware that there were others before Jesus who claim to be the Messiah and the Jews followed them wholesale? So it was not out of place for them follow a God-figure? They had run with many young men before now in their history. Check things out man!

sagenaija:
When, instead of focusing on the verse I presented you are going on a circuitous route to want to arrive at your preferred position, it only bring you out for who you are.

It was Jesus's teachings and doctrinal positions that informed his life and PRACTICE. The two cannot be divorced from each other. (Again, remember Mary and Martha which I pointed you to a while back). Anyone who tells you that DOCTRINE isn't important has sold you a dummy.

John was making an emphatic declaration when he said:
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV

sagenaija:
They did not see him claim to just be more important than other servants of God. They saw his claims to be at a much more higher level.

sagenaija:
Which of God's previous servants ever said that he was the Lord of the sabbath? Btw MaxinDHouse, who was the sabbath DEDICATED to?
Which previous servant ever said 'I and the Father are one'?
When the Father said twice - at Jesus's baptism and at the Transfiguration - 'This is my Son!' did he forget that he had other sons in Israel who

sagenaija:
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1 NIV

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:14 NIV

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:15 NIV

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
Colossians 2:9 NIV

Jesus said: "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."
Matthew 16:18 NIV


"For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
1 Peter 1:18‭-‬19 NIV

"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood."
Acts 20:28 NIV

If the above do not clear your mind as to how God bought his church, nothing else will.
sagenaija:
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Where did I say God has blood? Show us or show yourself to be the liar

Sagenaija refused to accept he ever made the claim , "God has blood" on this thread.

Sagenaija misquote of scripture doesn't change the fact that he lied
God Almighty is NOT anyone's Son at anytime, John 5:37, says Jesus.

Those Polytheists who worship 3 persons must push aside Jesus proof @ John 5:37 & John 4:23-24 to suit their opinion that one of their 3 Gods have blood

MaxInDHouse:
It's you that's shying away from facts!

John was talking about the allegations levelled against Jesus by the religious title chiefs, not what really happened.
Jesus called God his father just as those people did {John 8:41} but what is the bone of contention? Jesus was speaking as God's representative making it sound as if he knows the making of all the laws in Israel and the practical application and nobody can accuse him of breaking it.
For instance Jesus condemned their cruel application of the Sabbath exposing their wicked mindset! Mark 3:1-6

Before the Roman authority their accusation is clearly spelt out:

The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. John 19:7 KJV
Your TRINITY won't change the fact my friend!

When his Trinity mentors twisted 1John 5:17,dem no quick see John 19:7 to twist am.

Any interpretation Trinitarians will give to John 10:33 & John 5:18, the same Jews @ John 19:7 proven the Trinitarian interpretation is FALSE

sagenaija:
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"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
John 5:18 NIV
Did Jesus call God his Father or was that a false accusation by the Jews?
What was the implication of his calling God his Father?

Godspowerpro:
Every institution has its organizational structure, same thing goes with our religious/spiritual institutions.

Bishop David Oyedepo is globally known as the President of the Living Faith Church, which sits on a wide expanse of land, called Canaanland in Sango Ota,

Earlier today, Godspowerproject, released this artwork in celebration of the forthcoming weeklong Shiloh event, happening next week st Canaanland. The artwork consists of the top echelons of the Winners Commission.

Here are the Top Five in the Winners political structure, which of them do you recognize? Or do you think has been left out

Jesus is Lord.

tctrills:
I am not aiming to incite a religious conflict or get people to denounce or criticize a specific religious group. For the purpose of illuminating the essential characteristics of the Church of God, we must go to God's word for guidance. Keep in mind that the Bible says that by their fruits ye shall know them. What characteristics can you look for in a group that claims to be a genuine expression of Christianity?

DeepSight:
Good. Now go ye forth and generously apply this standard to others as well.

DeepSight:
The only problem with this is your presumption that in order to follow him, one must be a JW.
The parable of the Good Samaritan debunks this.
Remember the context -

One day an expert in religious law stood up to test Jesus by asking him this question: “Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?”
So it should be noted that the parable was given within a context of salvation – namely that which would be required for one to be accepted with God.
Jesus replied, “What does the law of Moses say? How do you read it?”
The man answered, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.’ And, ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’” “Right!” Jesus told him. “Do this and you will live!”

The man wanted to justify his actions, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbour?”
Jesus then replied with a story.....

DeepSight:
And how many times did Charles Taze Russell and his associates predict the end of the world?

DeepSight:
It is well noted in the gospels that he associated freely with "tax collectors and sinners." Why?
Secondly the Parable of The Good Samaritan should suffice to help you.
How do you read it when he says, then, "a despised Samaritan" came along. . . ?

achorladey:
You see start making comparison where there is none in the first place

When an individual creates division based on christ words that do not sit well with you and your religious leaders you and the religious organization you belong will SHUN that person .

The organization you belong disfellowship sexually immoral people amongst you. In reality what is read out to the hearing of all other members is that..... Mr Lakasagba is no longer a Jehovah’s witness

Since that is the case, it is right to say, Mr Lakasagba is no "longer anyone called a brother as mentioned by Paul" that is to say you and your religious organisation have reverted the case of such person back to 1 Corinthians 5:9,10

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world.

Mr Lakasagba is now people of this world aka If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

How did Jesus treats TAX COLLECTORS and PAGANS?

SHUN THEM ABI?

achorladey:
1. Teaching of Christ ( Acts 1:7)

He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons

Did you and your religious leaders remain in this teaching?

Dates: 1799, 1874, 1878, 1914, 1925, 1975 e.t.c

Your Pastorpreneurs predictions about the end of coronavirus.
Your gods of men prediction about the year 2020, both are still in the pipeline
John 16:16-18 & Luke 24:19-27 is in your Bible, continue WAILING.

achorladey:
2. Teaching of Christ 2 John

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world,+ those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.+ This is the deceiver and the antichrist.+ 8 Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward.

The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son.

You and your religious leaders will shun people all over the world who believed

a. Christ came in the flesh

b. Has both Father and Son
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.

achorladey:
You and your likes will keep following people who brings teachings like the below

He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons

He said to them: “It does not belong to YOU to get knowledge of the times or seasons.

Achorladey Continue WAILING

DeepSight:
This is arrogance and its UN-Christ-Like.
Christ taught humility, not this sort of proud presumption.

DeepSight:
GBAM!

DeepSight:
Jesus' prime teaching was love. Even for enemies.
I therefore cannot imagine the man who said "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" - supporting this sort of radical fundamentalist intolerance.

DeepSight:
If its a biblical teaching, one must say it is definitely not a Christ-like teaching. The teachings of Jesus stand in contradistinction to this Pauline fundamentalist discriminatory intolerance. This is not different from the worst sort of Nazi antisemitism.

There is no way Jesus would have supported this sort of hate-preachment.

Yippeedaniel:
Ever wonder why anyone that left jw becomes a hater of the organization?. But no one who leave church become hater of da former church. Ever wonder y we have so many ex jw channel of YouTube? Over 69k on reddit but no single ex catholics, redeem, deeper life?. Theres more to it. This ex jw might have a point, Theres something driving them to do all this. I see many Nigerian exjw inda next 20yrs.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never used physical sword against anyone neither did he support using it but he clearly stated that he did not come for peace {Matthew 10:34-39} perhaps you should tell me what he meant in those verses if not causing division in the families!

My friend, it's either you're for Jesus or against him, so choose to be with Jesus and see the reality of what Jesus said. That's what we are practicing among Jehovah's Witnesses!

achorladey:
That my lies are your TRUTH

IronPants:
The good thing is that I am uncouth, rude, foul mouthed and petty as you are. I will not be as polite and courteous as the other gentlemen you've been calling series of names here.

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The expired fecal matter that reside inside your skull is one of the reasons you have failed to produce any superior arguments here.
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I don't seem to understand how someone can be so dvmb and braindead at the same time. I mean you're so retarded with the IQ of a dead cockroach.
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I'm not bothered about what your beliefs are or what not, but the fact that you've not been able to present clean and undisputed arguments, rather you insult and call people all sort of names in the defense of your beliefs is reason enough for any sane internet user to see how useless your beliefs are.

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Your type should never be allowed anywhere logical and critical thinking is a requirement. You keep embarrassing yourself with your stvpidity and imbecility. What a dvnce of a fellow.
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I'll be here to give back x1000 of all the silly names you've been calling. Bring it on nitw!t

Emusan:
Had it been you obtained formal education, you won't have posted this article because it shows you truly dull.

Do you understand that @color part?
JEHOVAH (Yahweh[1]), in the Bible, the God of Israel. “Jehovah” is a modern mispronunciation of the Hebrew name,
Emusan:
Jesus never pronounced the divine name

Emusan:
Emusan
That @underlined was done by a Catholic mock! Even your organization knows.

I don't know why you bolden that part but whatever you have in mind add this to it.

EARLY 14th century.....


I know you don't understand the article you quoted and the implications of it on your claim.
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Emusan:
Las Las, Jesus never pronounced the divine name nor does the name found in any known Greek manuscripts we have today.

IronPants:
The guy you're qouting is actually just too dull. His dvmbness is irritating and pathetic. In the view of glaring evidence, he'll still keeo bringing up shittiness and triviality. I don't understand how someone can be so dull with so much confidence.

I've been spending time on the romance section and one thing I've noticed is the dude jumping up and down on any thread with the mere mention of Jehovah's Witnesses.
I saw a post where Rottennaija schooled him thoroughly on arguments and fallacies, exposing his ignorance and his inability to reason properly.

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Did I forget to mention his annoying name calling, use of offensive words and attacks on personality which is enough evidence for anyone to see how much critical thinking the dvmb fellow lacks.


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I really enjoyed all the conversations though. The way you guys introduce your arguments and back it up enough evidence. My eyes have been opened to a lot of things.

Hypocrite, are you not name calling?
Read both Screenshots proven your dullness is luminous.
Over 583 Nairaland members said your "hero" is what?

Did Acts 5:42 proven that your "hero" is against the preaching commission of Jesus Christ?

Do Ironpants have brain for reasoning?

sagenaija:
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Where did I say God has blood? Show us or show yourself to be the liar.

Sagenaija made a comment at 6:42pm on 26th August,2021 and your Trinity devotees friend, Bishop Kingsley responded at 7:09pm.
Two questions for Sagenaija:
In the screenshot,is Bishop Kingsley LYING against you?
According to your post on 27th August,2021, @10:05pm, does God have blood to purchase you?

The incontrovertible evidence proven that Sagenaija says God have blood to purchase him (Sagenaija).
Bishop Kingsley agreed

Bishopkingsley:
You are correct
God warned everyone don't add to the scriptures don't remove also

So just because the place looks strange and heavy does not mean we should add to it leave it like it is

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood

God purchased his people with his own blood

But JW say Jesus is God so why are they crying over this place

The thing is this shows it talking about God Almighty that why they add son to their evil translation

Glory to our God Almighty who purchased us with his blood

Emusan:
Which you derived from yours!

You think it's because of letter "J" Jehovah is inaccurate?

For your dull brain, Jehovah is inaccurate because of its formation (though some scholars argue against the letter J). Remember Jehovah was coined by a Catholic mock

Emusan LIENUS doing his usual routine of LYING

NNTR:
Genesis 1:27
Then God said,
Let Us (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) make man in Our image, according to Our likeness
[not physical, but a spiritual personality and moral likeness];
and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the cattle,
and over the entire earth, and over everything that creeps and crawls on the earth.”

Good!
Next, do you see that the reason why all creatures - snakes, snails, hares, turtles, bats, fishes cant love God, cant pray, worship, praise, etc, dont have the capacity to love God, dont have the know how to pray, worship, praises, etc? Do you see how this is a something exclusive to only human being alone, made in image of the Godhead, according to likeness of the Godhead?

Also what lies and where exactly for Pete's sake, in Omotakins post do you please want dispensed with?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Ammishaddai:
Bros, I never denied I'm a trinitarian . And I'm proud to say Jesus is my God . Unlike you who claims that angel Michael is your Jesus.

Omotakins:
I will rather call what you just did a deliberate act to misguide. I'm quite surprised at how you could leave the inspired word of God and start quoting commentaries to validate your argument. That's not right, please

Trevor007007:
There is something about Max that you guys keep missing, he is very proud about his faith even sighting scriptures from the holy scriptures to support God's backing on the name they bear, but non of you have shown even a slight hint of yours, prove that you love your religion and that they are united as one group by saying the name of your religion like Max does, and that you are recognised by your religious group anywhere in the world that they are present, it is that simple.