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u right about d programmers gals not being a bit ugly. i have one if anyone cares to have her She's a mad .net programmer, when i mean mad, i mean real mad one. Her intelligence scares me, but the only but is she aint too fyne

we miss u sbucareer.

there r lots and lots of guys in this country who code like mad. Coding is not an end. Its a means to an end. There are lots of people who code who have never gone to a uni, who dropped out. I have never been abroad too in my life and i'm doing bad with codes.

What exactly is ur point? U agree our lecturers are lazy, u agree our curriculum is wack. Must everybody followd same path Is there just one way to education. All i can deduce from your post is that " u are a salary earner" hence ur orientation.

I dont intend to stress my point further but undersand that there is no one way to success and whatever path anyone chooses to follow should not be condemned.

I believe the starter of this topic has the criterion to determine between what is right and what is wrong. I have posted, u have. Let him read between the lines and follow what suites him, let him follow is heart.

Lastly, i must confess that you are very intelligent and i have definately learnt a couple of things from your post. May God increase u in knowledge.

edosioo will u marry me?

I agree with this point. But what if a student does not have the opportunity of travelling abroad.
So what you mean now is that if people want to study IT and they can't afford to go abroad they shouldn't bother going to a local school in Nigeria. Instead they should start selling software in OTIGBA right .

Dont get me wrong sir!!!!! I didnt say he should not attend a university. I'm only concerened about the quality of IT person he would make after four years of study.
you keep getting the whole idea of my "attend or dont attend" a nigerian university wrong. Whether the curriculum is the same with oxford or cambridge, the quality of computer science graduates we produce is below par and they contribute little or nothing to the development of our country. Please i stand to be corrected,

Point to 1 or two things that were done by nigerians (i mean computer science grads) that affect us in one way or the other. All the banking softwares we have are imported, the people who manage them are imported, our ATM clients are imported, even some of the inventory apps used in malls (yes!! u heared me right, inventiry) are imported, the software used for our voting was imported, our phones are imported and sooo on.

Did i hear u say computer sceince is not al about programming? Not programming alone oooo, I know enough companies in lag and abj who rely on indians to take care of their networking needs even though we have "experts" here in nigeria. The top top ogas who handle technicalities in some telecom companies are imported. (got a few pals dere). When there is a major event in the country, contracts are signed with oyinbo pple again, another importation.

I'm not bragging but i was officially invited by Standards Organiation of Nigera when the openXML document was sent to nigeria by ISO to review and vote YES or NO. I'm about the first person that saw the 6000+ page document. You know what, only 3 nigerians were on the panel. Myself, one man from abuja and one guy from unilag. The guy from abuja didnt study in nigeria. he was superb and i wished i had his knowlege. The guy from lag was pathetic. He was just yarning balls. he knew little or nothing about XML, about w3c. Ali i was hearing was .net, .net and .net. That was about the highest level he could showcase his knwledge to non-nigerians. But he didnt disappoint me ooooo cos i always know what to expect. The other guys werent nigerians except for the non-technical pple on board. So u see my dear broda, its that bad.

Nigeria is not proud of her graduates in this field. We can argue from morning till night but if you look inwards and watch what's going on, u will agree. Forget all the stuffs that you hear thos fat belly govt officlals talk about. We are no wherein africa.

Listen yeah. The whole educational system especially in the public uni is in a mess not just IT and the main reason like i have said be4 is not in the entire curriculum itself, but in the content and how it is taught to students. If you pick up the Computer science curriculum of The school you say you are in and compare it with Oxford uni. It will be about 70% the same. Just do that as an exercise and get back to me.

I dont care about other fields. I dont give a damn whether they are messed up or not. They are not complaining are they? But in IT we have to. We cant fold our arms and watch. Its an IT world u know and if dont join the race, we will be left behind (as if we are not already behind).

Whether our curriculum is the same with oxford or not is not my business. What i want is impact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Impact everywhere.!!!!!!!!!!! No single sector of this our economy is properly driven by indiginous IT products or experts. The computer sceintists who should no better arent coming up with specifications on what should be done to make a reasonalbe differece. What u hear all the time is Mr XYZ Bsc.Msc.Phd, PHP, Mysql from Unilag yet he cant point to one succesful IT policy he has pushed to benefit the nation and add relevance to our graduates. Even the ones that manage to do one certification will quickly attach the acronym to their names and brag about it everywhere dey go say Mr Mike Agnaje, SCJP, SCJD, SCJA and all dem bull shits.

I dont want to be known for certificates, I want to be known for my works, discoveries. If u do something great, the world cares less about ur background. Infact no matter aw wack ur background may seem, it would be celebrated.

I have lots of friend that went to the same wack schools you are talking about and studied IT(myself included) and are not in anyway duller as a result of this. I know many who are now heading groups in Microsoft and Oracle. I myself head a Software Group in a multinational company and i manage people who went to Oxford, Imperial college and all these top schools.

whats the ratio? 1:100. is that what we want for ourselves? The graduates u see coding or into deep networking should be celebrated. I usually get excited when i meet one but they re few. I also have LOTSSSSS of respect for them. They see the world with a different lens from their mates,

You also need to take a survey of how the students study these wack curricula. Na cram die!!!!!!!. If there is a cramming competetion, nigeria will surely win that . Them dey cram ooooo. Their orientation has been bastardized by the "certificate" thng so all dey are after is the certificate. Somone comes out with a first class and yet cant speak boldly about the latest trends and happenings in the world of IT. You think the world is concerned about our curriculum? They are concerned about the quality of graduates the so-called curriculum produces.

You asked a question earlier that Theory has done us no good in Africa. Well how will you practicalize the theory you have learnt when there are no research opportunitites. What are the Research Institutes in Nigeria doing. What kinds of research opportunities is the Private sector providing for Academia. Are there any kinds of knowledge transfer between Academia and the Public or Private sector.

How many african countries have u visited?

In IT, in case u dont know, u hardly buy materials!!!!!!! The programmer hardly buys materials!!!!! We all charge millios for webapps or desktop apps but which material we dey buy? except to pay liscences here amd there.

Well, we are talking IT here and i beleive u dont need a research institute. The programmer just needs a group of people (likeminds) implemented. With online collaboration and a forum like nairaland, the platform for reaearch is made. The computer scientist needs only to to come up with a project idea and get a group of programmers, engineers or networking experts to get it done. All of these can be done online. Note, the passion has to be there oooo.

Recently, a group of JAVA programmers all over nigeria have started the nigerian JUG. Do you know, we have neva met b4 and we successfully set up a forum and the group is growing www.naijadukes.net. There, researches can go on without any structure called "institute". Are we scared of change or something. We dont want to apply what's n vogue in learing and researches.

Anyhow, anywhere, anyway----- just dont let ur dreams die. Find a way, scream shout, waka round streets of lagos to make sure u dreams are realiized. when all is said and done, u will have a sweet story to tell.

The institutes u talked about, have u visisted any b4.? u wud be suprised that the people there just dey collect salary, dey travel around the world attending seminars and conferences.

Everything i have written here is based on my orientation and what i have experienced in this country. The way i think also goes inline with my dreams so I am PERSONALLY safe. I m praying hard, working hard to make sure i achieve it. May Allah make it easy for me.

Also, u have to undertand that not everyone dreams employemnt. I have neva tot about it. I want to employ and if u cant deliver,u r out!!!

I also believe in planning. I beleive everyone knows what he/she wants from life and what he/she intends to give back. To break the norm, u have to grab the bull by the horns Anyhow u feel u can achieve this, go ahead. If the "laws" "norms" "standards" dont work for u, set urs, its ur world!!!!

its a shame.big big shame

real pity

Hapi bday my wife to be. Aw r u doing today and wetin we gochop.

Remember u are yr closer to ur grave and may Allah increase u in faith and make ibadah easy for u. May he also make u acknowldge the fact that we are supposed to be married soon.

@babs take note

i'm soo sure none of u read dat post. una just dey run una mouth anyhow, read it, attack the post not the person or the muslims,

They are all fraudsters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No man has a sya in death or birth!!!! No man born of a woman has a say in it. We live by grace and also die when the time is right,

God does something and these fraudsters claim it as their own doing. Awon ole jati jati,

my pipu, e ba mi kigbe oooolllllllleeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

candylips:
Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that the curriculum is outdated in most nigerian schools.

Nobody is disagreeing with the fact that you can learn programming without practicing

What i am disagreeing with is that because students are not exposed to writing code while in uni then you shouldn't go to the univeristy.

That is just a very bad advice to give to the young man who started this thread.

Personally I have schoolled in Nigeria and abroad and in any of this places nobody spoon fed me into writing code So your advice that he should only think of go to univeristy abroad is very very wrong.

It is a concious effort. Many people are born to like coding while others just don't like it whether they school abroad or in Nigeria

At this jucture, the question u should ask yourslef is why nigeria is sooo backward in IT en in africa. Would you stay in a place where everyday, what we hear about the quality of graduates leaving our unis are nothing to write home about? How many nigerians, while uni have been able to pull one form of stunt or the other while they are still in skool? We hear stories of high skool or university students doing one thing or the other. U think the nigerian student doesnt want same?

Whether people abroad are spoon fed or not, the environmnt to be a better programmer, network engineer, or computer scientist is readily available. In nigeria, its nottt!!!!!!!!!

U keep getting my point wrong. The university is a good place to study, but what if the university is wack!!!!. What if the uni will make u duller. That's wat the unis we have ofer those aspiring IT experts. Do you know how many people have had their dreams killed by our unis? People who should have used the zeal and passion they had to do great things, but ended up in the bank or shopping malls as attendeants? Sincerely i dont get what ur point is anymore U agree that our system needs review but yet, u ask him to go in there? I rather advicehim to go to ghana, sincerely!!!!

If he wanted to study Agric, Banking or econs or any other course at that, i would not advice him to travel or even bone our uni completely. What we are talkng about here is IT, Information Technology where if u miss 1, u miss All. I dont know how many countries in africa u have visted, then u wud know we are no where at all,

You agree again that our educational system in IT is backwards and u just fold ur hands are watch itrail dwn d ditch. It seems to me we are in an infinite loop of stupidity, all of us. No one is bold enuf to protest or make a change happen. I'm only doing my own little e-protest. One day one day, uno go hear me voice liveeee!!!!!!!!

Nothing do us, cos its naija wher e shit happens. Where u do things opposite of the norm and still make sense

eyin eyan mi,

e ba mi kigbe ooooollllllleeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dem plenty no be small, i go soon start my own sef

Realness and originality in another context, could also mean using music to address socio-economic problems.It could mean using ur music to call government to order when its erring. Eedris did this with Nigerian Jagajaga and made waves with it. He spoke the truth but instead, the monkey on the throne chose toabuse his family.

The real artistes will continue be real cos they have shunned all critics to have come this far. Modenine's critics are also agreeing which is something i m hapi about.

From 419 state of mind, Children are the leaders of tommorow, Politics and lies to Fellow Nigerians modenine definately is gifted. And most recently "Green Passport" also addresses some problems nigerians face wen they visit embassies or trel abroad, i hope he makes a video, anyway, i v told him that already

infact, give us more lines from any of his songs, person go drop single track wit only 2 or 3 meanngful lines, una go dey compare am to him papa. double six ko, mefa mefa ni

@amechi

why did u have to use modenine to get acceptance to ur thread, modenine wasnt on dat trackoooooo

swoosh:
Mmm, when she decides to give you READ ONLY access to her 'modules' (vital body parts), your eye go clear

No mind me jare, if you love your woman go for her

lol, on our weddng day, we go sign the Read, Writ and Execute access agreement so dat wont be a problem

@david

there have been people who were worse and more stubborn than you but later accepted islam. I wont be suprised if u agreed with ur heart and became a muslim

this samule guy is obviously lying. u have never been muslim. u cant decieve anyone here, u only decieving ur own conciousness. One day, u will surely wish u were!!

is dere no moderator to ban this guy?

na soo pple dey start who, who told u d place is forsaken?

bibs:
this Jaji sef which one u no dey?
you have not had one wife and u are already streching for another,
i am sure by the time u get her u must have been one the fifth!

@Mustay
is this the kind of hussy u want for your cossie?

@babs
where are u today?

@mukina
salamu alaiki

who told u i neva get one. i have gotten mukina and right now, i m coming for u You wont reject me, would u?

Leave Mustay alone, this cossie issues sef don tire me. Babs came under the umbrella of PDP to tell us that he's runzing mukina for his pal, i expose am, abi na lie? Now, Alfa Mustay sef won use cousin runz, na all of una i go catch 1 by 1.

@bibs

no mind dem jare. me i gbadun u wella. i cant begin to say d tins i know and like about u here But u sef know. come join my army of wives, i assure u wont be a recruit but a general

dyabman:
You all go to hell , you ruggedman Haters., to hell with MD9 Bleep em!.

Ruggedman is da bomb any time any day anywhere. and hes fcukin rich than the mothafcuker.

Prepare for War . Wait and hear

everyone here don put on thinking cap oooo. The days of aw much money or aw many cars artiste get dont matter no more. if he like make him rich, we r talking realness now. How much money does he have? Asides the yahoo yahoo wey he join. He has a clothing label no one is patronizing, abi u don c anybody dey wear am before for ur lyfe? ode oshi

Bring on the war!!!!!!! Modenine is damn too big to go to war with that wack dude!!!! his days r almost over. Make he come face me first before he go face oga patapata, if na rhymes i go kill am, if na lyrics, i go yamutut d berger!!!! and if na phydical fight, i trained samuel peters!!!!!

Hmmmm @YourFather

From ur last post, i can deduce there that ur definition for originality has to do with lyrics. In that case, i can list some niaja artistes too who because they dont make club tracks, they have been blacklisted (modenine). Not just him, some good nija artistes too dont get airplay cos d songs are not club bangers. Ask a nigerian when a song becomes wack, wat u will probably hear is because u cant dance to it.

Lots of nigerians dont pay attention to lyrics and that is what in most cases defines an artiste, what he spits. Why is everyone screaming Asa's name on forums and in the medai.? How many of her songs can be danced to? How many can e played in the clubs? For the first time, every nigerian celebrated skill, in place of bling bing and all dem bullshits we got now.

Modenine's got mad ass lyrics that makes one thinks. Asa's got same. Beautiful Nubia's got same and a few rappers. However, in the RAP category, modenine stands tall. In RnB, there r a coupleof them too.

I'm so happy now that we are all reasoning. A time will also come when "A-kong b kong ileke konga ajupapapapa tipatipa ajupapapapati sita, dagadigi dagadigi gbagan gbanga --mmaagammmaaaga digin daga" will not be heared anymore.

I rest my case

Bossman:
Computer Science/Programming happens to be different from most other fields. It's one field that practical training is crucial to one's ability to be successful doing it. Theory will always have value, however the it's very important to get hands on with programming while in school. That's why, at least here in the US, the programming assignments through out the semester, are usually about 80%- 85% of the final grade. The written test account for the rest. As someone who has been in this field for a while, I conduct interviews, mentor junior developers, and I can tell you, there is nothing you can read in the books that can replace the hands-on experience you will get from actually sitting at the computer writing code. How in the world can programming be taught actually interacting with the PC writing code. It's like teaching someone to become a mechanic without actually have them work on a car/machine.

It needs to start from the top. the schools need to equipped with appropriate equipment, and the computer science curriculum needs to be revamped.

Gbam!!!!!!!!! Gbam!!!!!!! Gbam!!!!!!!!!!! Gbam!!!!!!!! You deserve a hi-5 for this.

You just poured out my mind. Thats exactly what i'v been evangelizing since. Nigerians always want to do things opposite of the norm,

@YourFather

u don dey make sense this days oooo. i cant but agree with u word for word. u try. Na the noise wey i don dey make for this forum since. a time will come when all the bling bling will make no sense to us no more but good music. a time will surely come when everyone will scream at a dj for playing a wack music, dats wat modenine has been evangelizing, thats wat i v been saying

u don run mental. music section no do u again, na literature be d next one. wat did i hear u say? kiled modenine, have u taken gbana or something?

pls delete dis topic moderator

ROTLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The decil cant do nada to my prayers. Devil doesnt hinder prayers oooo dont be decieved. All the speaking in tongues thing na buulshit without basis. The only things that hinder prayers are behaviours, attitudes that do not comform to how God wants us to live. Lying, stealing, and all those hinder prayers not the devil. There also 2 enimies of men.

First is the devil, second is our wish, cos d devil is not responsible for all the actions of man

Dont u know the Jesus u are talking about would also answer questions on judgement day?

didnt want to be the first to mention modenine.Modenne don cross tha barrier tey tey. Infact when i was typing mt first response, i had him in mind. A time will come wen haterz will have no choice but to accept,

So that the devil cannot understand? I laugh!!!!!!!!!

If he understands, what can he do? You xtians give the devil some powers he doesnt have. He cant do nada even if he understands!!!!!!!! We are talking God here not man

Good talk @YourFather.

Mustay:
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Regardless of their linguistic, cultural, and racial differences, Muslims form one community of believers. This community is based on their shared faith in One Almighty God, and the guidance He has sent down to mankind. His final revelation to mankind, the Qur'an, was sent over 1400 years ago in the Arabic language.

The original Arabic text of the Qur'an has been preserved from the time of its revelation. Translations have been done into various languages, but they all refer back to the original Arabic. In order to fully understand the magnificent words of their Lord, Muslims make every attempt to understand the rich and poetic classical Arabic language. Since understanding Arabic is so important, most Muslims try to learn at least the basics. Many pursue further study to understand the full text of the Qur'an in its original. So how does one go about learning Arabic?

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May Allah increase you in knowledge. Most times, I always wish i had your knowledge