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OLAADEGBU:
Hold your strings until you've done your homework.

OLAADEGBU:
I don't believe you are an atheist.

OLAADEGBU:
That means you had some faith in her, no?

OLAADEGBU:
Does that mean you believe in intelligence design?
If you believe in intelligence design do I still need to say more?

ramalot:
There you have it. Yet another formal religion serving no other purpose than further dividing humans.

ramalot:
You say its an academic exercise. which is nice, provided you're evaluating hard facts, and trying to make some sense of it.
NOT trying to brainstorm up a new fairy tale.

Kay 17:
I don't believe in any god, because its a bad concept which holds an idea without any substance. Until a better definition comes up, I'm don't think any irrationality exists.

mazaje:
I fully affirm that Gods like Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu do not exist, they are simply a creation of men and their superstitions, but for the deist concept which is about the universe having a creator or creators who simply created and have no role with their creation, I will say its possible, that such an entity or entities exist. . . .Even if they exist no body knows what they are, who they are, why the created the universe or what they want. . .I am not a deist and I also do not believe in that concept mainly for lack of evidence, but I believe its possible that such an entity or entities exist. . .

mkmyers45:
It don't believe in taking chances with probability thats why i mean im not ready to pick from 40,000 "this-is-the-way" religions so i see dont know why you want to model a pattern to add to those existing. You must consider atheist if you really mean to model an ideal path to God(gods)

mkmyers45:
Must what you believe in have a name? Must you refer to yourself by a name or as a believer? People may call me deist (closest word available) but i have my own way of thought that i have refused to give a name, heck even the Universe was seen by Einstien as the god.

Deep Sight:
Oh no, just be awesome! That should do!

Deep Sight:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athiesm

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. [s]In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[/s] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Deep Sight:
Oh yes you do. And even beyond the universe, you will need perfect knowledge of every possible dimension in reality and be so omniscient regarding them as to assert that there is no originating creator being anywhere in existence.

Unless you are not a pure atheist, but some agnostic or anti-religionist admixture thereof.

you will need perfect knowledge of every possible dimension in reality and be so omniscient regarding them as to assert that there is no[b] originating creator[/b] being anywhere in existence.

OLAADEGBU:
I fink you should get your evidence in place if you are to make that kind of allegation, don't you think?

OLAADEGBU:
There is nothing like atheists, they don't exist.

OLAADEGBU:
If you need evidence to confirm her name and what she claims to be before you can trust her then I wonder what kind of relationship that will be.

OLAADEGBU:
I did not mean marital commitment.

OLAADEGBU:
You can even have yourself as your own idol, when you say that man created god in his own image.

OLAADEGBU:
At least he now knows that there is intelligence responsible for the DNA which is a positive step in the right direction and if he is wise he will not stop there.

OLAADEGBU:
It took you this long to get an agreement out of you. I will be using transcendental arguments to make my case so tighten your seat belt.

Martian:
Just wanted to point out that the person you're arguing with still thinks with his heart or at the leaset he reasons like a 11th century peasant.

Psalm 14 vs 1

OLAADEGBU:
Frosbel will not, could not and did not advocate for the killing of atheists, and that's if they exist. To call yourselves atheists you must have absolute knowledge of the universe. Let's say that a circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, to have absolute knowledge you must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock, nothing is hidden from your eyes, that you know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother, what amount of gold or petroleum there is in China if there are any.

OLAADEGBU:
To call yourselves atheists you must have absolute knowledge of the universe. Let's say that a circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, to have absolute knowledge you must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock, nothing is hidden from your eyes, that you know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother, what amount of gold or petroleum there is in China if there are any.

OLAADEGBU:
If foundational questions are too complicated for you let me ask you the question John Lennox asked Dawkins. Do you have faith in your wife if you are married? When you walked up to her on your first date and asked her to give you her name did you believe her or did you say you doubted it? When she told you where she worked did you say "I don't believe that either" If you did I don't think you will have a relationship right now.

OLAADEGBU:
I am still waiting for your committment.

OLAADEGBU:
That would be called idolatory.

I believe that they are idols.

OLAADEGBU:
Did you see the videoclip posted by Enigma about an atheist who had a change of mind due to the evidence of DNA?

OLAADEGBU:
All you need to do is to agree to believe and worship the Infinite Creator God if I give you the evidence that He exists.

mazaje:
^^
I wasted 10 mins watching the video expecting to see something nice or interesting, the theist made not interesting point or argument, just regurgitated the same spurious arguments like, our God is eternal and not man made with out providing any evidence for that and forgetting that his entire God idea and beliefs came from other men and his alleged word of God is NOTHING but the writings, thoughts, ideas and conception of other men and their superstitions that were written down. . .

OLAADEGBU:
To be an atheist you need to have perfect knowledge of all things to come to the conclusion that God does not exist.  Do you?

jayriginal:
You are burdened with the wrong idea of what it means to be an atheist.

OLAADEGBU:
You have to be able to answer foundational questions such as; What caused the universe to come to existence and where did the original energy or matter come from?  There are myths and there are true myths.  The creation account is true myth that is backed up with scientific evidence.  Show me the scientific evidence of your fairytale myth and I will show you the scientific evidence of the true myth and we will see whose worldview is based on a solid foundation.

OLAADEGBU:
Just as your colleagues are fund of doing.

OLAADEGBU:
Melanin determines the colour of the eye.  If the iris has a larger amount of melanin, it will be brown but if it has a little amount the eye will be blue.

OLAADEGBU:
I believe the gods you mentioned exist but I do not have faith in them.

OLAADEGBU:
We have a name we call them, they all tremble at the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:
Ignorance is bliss, right?  You better learn about DNA which is a molecule of heredity that is passed from parents to children as this will explain how you get the amount of melanin.

OLAADEGBU:
I have no problem giving you the evidence but why have you developed cold feet when I said you should be prepared to be committed as soon as I make my case?

texazzpete:
Another signature of the PDP you clowns voted into power; they fail to honor agreements!

OLAADEGBU:
1 + 1 = 2 is objective, rational, logical, reasonable and scientific to every right thinking person but the atheists' position is that "2" is not acceptable, every other answer may be acceptable except "2" even when you do not use other formulas or calculations to arrive at the answer.

OLAADEGBU:
You think natural processess and chance give answers to foundational questions.

OLAADEGBU:
Repeating my phrase back to me does not answer my questions.

OLAADEGBU:
Simple calculations can arrive at the year of your birth.  Subtract the age you will be at the end of this year from this year and this will give you the year you were born.  To know the year you were born I will need to see the authentic record of your birth certificate.  If you doubt your birth certificate then you know that you have a problem indeed.  The Bible is God's record of all the foundational questions about the universe, earth and life that you will want to know.

OLAADEGBU:
I worship and serve the Infinite Creator who created the Cosmos, including you.

OLAADEGBU:
When I say the Creator God I mean the biblical God, the Creator of heaven and earth.  He is the infinite God who is going to judge you by the Moral Law.

OLAADEGBU:
If there were no God there will be no "atheists".

OLAADEGBU:
You said that genetics is not your field, let me approach it from another angle.  At least you will know that Microsoft uses intelligent programmers and complex codes to create Windows operating system.  The informaton in DNA is millions of times more dense and complex than the product of Bill Gates.  Can you tell us how the process of evolution (that uses natural processes and the game of chance), solves the problem of complex information sequencing without intelligence?

jayriginal:
In the end, you will probably try to impress on me the complexity of DNA and then link it to your god. This will fail as I've been hinting you.

OLAADEGBU:
Proof is objective but persuasion is subjective.  The fact that I prove to you that you know God exists may not necessary persuade you into believing because you have chosen to not believe He exists.

OLAADEGBU:
The fact that you believe in God but you don't believe that you believe in God exposes your inconsistency.

OLAADEGBU:
Generally, "atheists" are strongly motivated to not believe in the biblical God who is rightly angry at them for their treason against Him.

OLAADEGBU:
It is dangerous to play a game of chance with your soul, God doesn't play dice.

OLAADEGBU:
Your denial of God is only an emotional reaction one. It is like a child who is about to be smacked by his dad and covers his eyes as if to say he doesn't exist.

OLAADEGBU:
It is only the Holy Spirit that can open your eyes to the deep spiritual problem your are in and that will enable you come to repentance. My transcendental argument can only objectively prove that God exists, the Holy Spirit is the only One who can persuade you to be convinced.

Deep Sight:
Here is an extracted analysis of the Wooden airplane sculpture found in Egypt -

By Lumir G. Janku

"This object (shown in sketch) was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE. As airplanes were unknown in the days when it was found, it was thrown into a box marked "wooden bird model" and then stored in the basement of the Cairo museum.

It was rediscovered by Dr. Khalil Messiha, who studied models made by ancients. The "discovery" was considered so important by the Egyptian government that a special committee of leading scientists was established to study the object.

As a result of their findings, a special exhibit was set up in the center hall of the Cairo museum, with the little model as its centerpiece. It was even labelled as a model airplane. 

To elucidate the reasons for the decision of the committee, almost unprecedented in the field of archeology, let's consider some aspects of the model. The model has the exact proportions of a very advanced form of "pusher-glider" that is still having "some bugs ironed out". This type of glider will stay in the air almost by itself—even a very small engine will keep it going at low speeds, as low as 45 to 65 mph., while it can carry an enormous payload. This ability is dependent on the curious shape of wings and their proportions. The tipping of wings downward, a reversedihedral wing as it is called, is the feature behind this capability. A similar type of curving wings are implemented on the Concorde airplane, giving the plane a maximum lift without detracting from its speed.

In that context, it seems rather incredible that someone, more than 2,000 years ago, for any reason, devised a model of a flying device with such advanced features, requiring quite extensive knowledge of aerodynamics. There were no such things as airplanes in these times, we are told by archeologists and historians. But this case seems to be an exception, living in the midst of the rather unimaginative and rigid paradigm of contemporary science. It is also necessary to point out that Egyptians are known to have nearly always made scale-models of projects and objects which they planned to create or build."

OLAADEGBU:
What are you worried about? Why can't you be persuaded if I prove that you actually know that God exists? Could it be that you have deliberately chosen not to believe that He exists?

OLAADEGBU:
You choose not to answer this question just as you have chosen not to believe in the existence of God, no?

OLAADEGBU:
You believe every other god exists but not the biblical God, could this be treason against the Most High God in disguise?

OLAADEGBU:
You are playing Russian roulette with your soul.

OLAADEGBU:
I know that you have chosen to believe any other thing/theory/god as long as it is not your Creator God and His Word.

mazaje:
I have had a brush with death once and all the Gods of man made religions were the last thing on my mind, my mum and my girl friend were the only things that popped out of my mind and the thought of death itself, I was wondering if it was going to be painful and slow. . . It all happened in a flash was so lucky. . .The two people beside me shouting Jesus, Jesus were the ones that ended up dead. . . .Luckily I survived. .  .So YES, I will remain an atheist in the face of death. . .

mrmayor:
@Jayriginal,

Sir, you're post is offensive being unfair, Deepsight is a decent guy, you can hardly accuse him of arrogance maybe using too many lawyer terms like "Aforementioned" and stuff like that,he holds his own, willing to listen and accept another's opinion and he is hardly rude.

Deep Sight:
Jesus Christ. I'm just going to assume you did not read anything that I wrote. I honestly don't know how you can derive this understanding from what I wrote.

OLAADEGBU:
The moment you are ready to make use of the evidence 'am about to share please let me know.

I have no problem using transcedental arguments proving God's existence but you have to tell me that you are prepared to be persuaded or not.

OLAADEGBU:
If you don't understand how the information in the DNA originated simply say so.

OLAADEGBU:
You do not know but you know enough that it cannot be God because you believe He does not exist?

OLAADEGBU:
When I say the Creator God I mean the biblical God, the Creator of heaven and earth. He is the infinite God who is going to judge you by the Moral Law.

OLAADEGBU:
Is that the god you believe in?

InesQor:
About the genealogies, Matthew was simply following a Jewish tradition by naming the people that God "lined up" to bring forward Jesus. Not biologically or medically, but by tradition that's all. Do you think they didn't know that those names in the two genealogies were clashing? Lol

Deep Sight:
For example there is an atheist on this forum who likes to make a big deal about the fact that in the bible, stars are described as falling to the earth. He says it is laughable because of what we now know of the size and distance of stars. I consider this athiest quite silly for saying this repeatedly because I dont know how else he expects an ancient writer to describe meteors and meteorites.

OLAADEGBU:
Adam and Eve our first parents, had the perfect DNA in the beginning of God's creation with no mutations until sin set in.

OLAADEGBU:
Have you heard of the sayings that If you live in glass house don't throw stones?  Richard Dawkins started by accusing most Christians of not knowing the books of the Bible and when he was asked if he could say the title of Darwin he started to call on God whom he has rejected.

OLAADEGBU:
You've heard it all, right?

OLAADEGBU:
I said, are you going to believe in God if I prove that you know God?

OLAADEGBU:
That is a Strawman's argument, answer my question.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you know what a DNA is?  If so can you tell me how the information in it originated?

OLAADEGBU:
What I meant is the repeated attempt to convince yourself to belief that there is no God.

OLAADEGBU:
Will you have faith in the Creator God if I should prove that you know He exists?

OLAADEGBU:
If you don't bow to Jesus at the Cross you will at the Great White Judgment throne.

Joagbaje:
There's no historical conflict. For example . Mattew and Luke gave the different lineage . Luke gave the blood line through mary Mattew gave through Joseph