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Christianity EtcRe: Paul Vs. Jesus's Teachings: Is There A Conflict? For serious bible scholars by jayriginal: 10:26pm On Feb 24, 2012
This here is a classic.
Christian "purists" vs the world.
So much falsehood based on the OP one doesnt know where to start from.

Oga Frosbel, I hail you oh.
I may vote for you as religious poster of the year 2012 grin
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 9:58pm On Feb 24, 2012
Martian:
Lol, is that what the church leaders tell their fear ridden congregation. In Christianity, there's a thin line between love and terrorism. If the judeo Christian god actually existed, he would be the epitome of terrorism.
You know, I wrote paragraphs after your previous post, buttressing you. However at the last minute, I wiped it all off.
I dont want to give Ola a soft landing. Either he proves the impossible or he watches his mouth next time around.

Martian:
If I'm capable of creating nuclear fusion by just speaking it into existence, why would I be worried about humans who can barely leave their tiny planet?
god never changes is a mantra.
However god was sufficiently scared of its creation to destroy the tower of Babel.
Today god has recovered from its inferiority complex to endure missions to mars, the moon et al.
it is so cool with it, it even lets us build space stations.
Too bad it doesnt exist  undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 1:17pm On Feb 24, 2012
OLAADEGBU:
It is good that you agreed that Richard Dawkins is now becoming a joker that no one is taking serious anymore.
Not at all. I'm simply saying there are more interesting things for me to deal with in your post. Its a non issue for me that he mentioned "god" for reasons given previously. Its also immaterial for me that he momentarily forgot a title of 21 words. What I m interested in, is seeing how you will prove to me that I believe in your god.

OLAADEGBU:
Why don't you tell us what you know so that I don't have to repeat myself?
Here I'll assume you have nothing new to contribute. Lets move on.

OLAADEGBU:
Would you then have faith in God if I prove to you that you do know that God exists?
Stop running away from the issue. Dont you want to save my "soul" ? Prove to me that I know god exists.

OLAADEGBU:
I hope you agree that information is non material and in all observed cases they always require an intelligent sender, how then did all the information contained in the DNA originate?
So your "god" did it ? Why not Allah ? Or anyone of the other "gods" ? How about a combination of gods ? On what basis do you conclude your god is the one and others are false. Since you have taken it upon yourself to define terms, let me tell you what the dictionary calls information.
1
knowledge communicated or received concerning a particular fact or circumstance; news: information concerning a crime.
2.
knowledge gained through study, communication, research, instruction, etc.; factual data:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/information
Even gibberish can hold information. Information does not always like you have stated, require an intelligent sender. I hope that this is not your way of proving god because if it is, you would have failed from the onset.
OLAADEGBU:
It's what is called an iterated belief; its a belief about a belief. cool
I program. I know about iterations  cool I'm not even sure your definition supports what you say. Try another term (though I understand what you are trying to say, and your god belief fits quite nicely there).
re·it·er·ate
verb (used with object), -at·ed, -at·ing.
to say or do again or repeatedly; repeat, often excessively.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reiteration
You still havent answered my question. You are simply assuming.

OLAADEGBU:
The Creator God, who is the all-powerful, all knowing and ever present God that is angry at you should be the terrifying prospect.
One god, all gods. They are all the same. I keep telling you your god is outnumbered. Be afraid! Be very afraid!!
Christianity EtcRe: Why Christians Dont Mas-turbate To The Pics Of Their Wives by jayriginal: 1:12pm On Feb 23, 2012
Johnnie ZM:
Guy you need Jesus.
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 12:12pm On Feb 23, 2012
OLAADEGBU:
After how many hours? undecided  I can give you other clips where he suffered temporal memory loss when asked a pertinent question.
There are more interesting things.

OLAADEGBU:
I can give you evidence for the existence of God and why there has to be a God.
I think I've heard just about all the "evidence" there is. Unless you have something new, I'll pass.

OLAADEGBU:
I can equally prove to you that you are an intellectual schizophrenic, who knows of the existence of God but you are trying to convince yourself that you do not believe in God, this is also called an iterated belief.
Now this is interesting. How do you prove the above ? I'd like to see you try. Thinking about it, it should be far easier for me to prove that you are a humbug.

OLAADEGBU:
You may not believe in your Creator God but you do know of His existence.
Your writing the above does not make it so. I'd like to know how you know this.
EDIT: How can I know of the existence of a being who created me and not believe in that being ?  undecided I hope you are not going to try to make the argument that knowing about a story is the same thing as believing that the story really happened.
OLAADEGBU:
All those gods you mentioned up their are all going to meet their waterloo before the Judgment Day of the Lord.
Well here, you are in the minority. Its your one god against the others. The odds are that he will be the one to meet his waterloo. And please dont bring up your "one with god is a majority" or anything similar. Its rubbish.
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 9:06am On Feb 22, 2012
OLAADEGBU:
The point is that he failed woefully when he tasted his own medicine.
I disagree. He eventually was able to recall the full title. Its a small point compared to the rest of what you wrote.

OLAADEGBU:
Atheists suffer from what is called "Intellectual Schizophrenia", which is a form of self deception where they attempt to convince themselves that they don't believe in God, they actually believe in God but they suppress the truth in unrighteousness by rejecting the biblical God who is angry at them because of their treason.  Some of our so called Christians fall into the same category as some of us live as if God doesn't exist, they say what they don't mean and don't mean what they say as opposed to saying what they mean and meaning what they say.
I wonder who is engaging in self deception here and who the "Intellectual Schizophrenic" is. You pretending to believe in a being that you have scanty evidence for, or the one who does not believe. Allah, Ogun, Sango and the rest are angry with you because of your treason. In any case, your statement above is mere wishful thinking. Feel free to cherish your illusions.

OLAADEGBU:
You are actually an intellectual schizophrenic. cool
My dear charlatan, I still don't believe in your God.
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 10:45pm On Feb 21, 2012
ghostofsparta:
^^^^
@Jayoriginal

Since you are not into any religion, which are you?

atheist, freethinker, secular, none??
In the strictest sense I am an a-theist since I do not believe in any of the gods available to mankind. However, I personally do not like labels. I am myself.
Labels are a cheap way for people to attack you without adhering to considerations like objectivity, logic or even truth. They do that a lot on nairaland.
Christianity EtcRe: . by jayriginal: 10:38pm On Feb 21, 2012
ghostofsparta:
^^^^
@JayOriginal

What do you mean by others have caught on?
That they are aware that the tale is made up.
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 1:48pm On Feb 21, 2012
OLAADEGBU:
Richard Dawkins, Darwin's arch apostle shoots himself in the foot again!

So Mr 'Atheist' Dawkins, what's the full title of your hero Darwin's seminal work? ',  erm, oh God! 'By Steve Doughty

He is a militant atheist and the country’s foremost champion of Darwinist evolution – and he was on the radio to accuse Christians of being ignorant of the Bible.
When the tables were turned, however, an embarrassed Richard Dawkins was momentarily unable to name the full title of his scientific hero’s most famous work.   
In his frustration, he even invoked the name of the deity in which he does not believe, resorting to a helpless: ‘Oh God.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2101289/Richard-Dawkins-unable-remember-Charles-Darwins-seminal-work.html#ixzz1mrcvrawI
Dawkins is 70 years old I believe. At your young age, tell me you have never had a memory failure. In the end, he was able to recall the 21 word title. Its stated there in the link you posted.

As for the "oh god" you rejoice in, you amaze me. What does that mean. Christians say things like "Ogun kill your papa". Does that mean they believe in Ogun ?

If you have kids, you will probably tell them about Santa Claus. Does that make him real ?
Im no believer in god or Allah, yet I say Insha Allah, god bless you, god punish you, etc. Sometimes someone asks me a question as to well being and to keep things short and simple, I gesture with my hands and say "thank god".
Some of the less perceptive of my friends try to make a point out of this and say "which god ? Shebi you dont believe in god ?".  Its simple really; its a habit of speech. I do not plan on looking for substitutes for those phrases as they serve me well and get my point across. If I say "god punish you" for instance, I have no illusions about what I'm saying.
So Ola, there really is nothing to celebrate in the fact that an atheist said "oh god"

ghostofsparta:
There are certain words that have mastered our tongue
True.
ghostofsparta:
What about does indecency ladies that moan from climax or ecstasy and continuously yell "oh! my God" , do they mean it? Ofcourse not
They also yell out "oh my f.uck.ing god".
Maybe Ola worships a f.uck.ing god.  undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Faith-healer And Evangelist, Maurice Cerullo, Investigated by jayriginal: 1:25pm On Feb 21, 2012
imhotep:
@therationa

Now you sound like a communist. Communists believed that religion is the opium of the people. Communist states are atheistic.

Stalin headed communist Russia and is responsible for at least 20 million murders and the physicial destruction of over 3000 church buildings. This should also count as one of the achievements of rationality.
Poor logic.

imhotep:
@therationa
You always fail to see the link ->

1) Rationalism is "any view appealing to reason as a source of knowledge or justification"
2) Atheism is based on rationalism
3) Communism is based on atheism (among other things)
4) Stalin was a communist
5) Over 3000 church buildings were demolished during the Russian revolution
5) Stalin murdered at least 20 million of his country men

So, all rationalists [b]must [/b]claim Stalin as their elder brother and communist Russia as a beautiful [/i]example of a state run on reason alone.
More poor logic.
Open another thread to discuss this. Do not worry that the thread will be empty. Open it first and responses will come.
imhotep:
@therationa

Scientific rationalism does not believe in the supernatural.

Now, you are trying to use the methods of[i] scientific rationalism
to investigate the supernatural.

Can you see the tight corner you have gotten yourself intohuh?
imhotep:
@therationa
Since your rationality does not believe in the supernatural, it should[b] remain silent [/b]about the supernatural.
The so called "tight corner" is only imaginary.
If someone says he does not believe in the supernatural and you proclaim some occurrence as supernatural, one cannot disprove claims of being supernatural by being quiet. Rather, careful inquiry may show the supposed occurrence to be completely natural indeed.
In making your above argument, you are assuming that which you argue. Its a form of circular reasoning. Just because people call it supernatural does not mean it is.
Ironically, it is in your best interest to have a supposedly supernatural occurrence investigated by the so called rational mind.
Christianity EtcRe: The African Atheist by jayriginal: 12:38pm On Feb 21, 2012
DeepSight, what have you done to Uyi cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: For Christians, Atheists And Agnostics. by jayriginal: 12:26pm On Feb 21, 2012
ekwah:
There they go again, so-called atheist and agnostics . . . . . (and so on)
Which God would you advocate and why that particular one instead of the many thousands of other Gods ?
Christianity EtcRe: If Jesus Is God, Then Why Did He Say The Father Was Greater Than He? by jayriginal: 9:52am On Feb 21, 2012
diluminati:
frosbel, let me help you out of your confusion. you need pu.s.s.y to get your head straight.
dare2think:
shocked

So, are you making him an offer?

Lol.
Hehehe
You beat me to it. grin
RomanceRe: How Long Can You Cope With A Loveless Relationship: by jayriginal: 9:48am On Feb 21, 2012
Damalex4luv:
Can you stay for as long as 5yrs with a partner just for the sake of being in a relationship and knowingfully well that your relationship is heading to no where?
That the relationship is not heading anywhere does not automatically render it a loveless relationship.
Christianity EtcRe: Fact Or Fallacy? by jayriginal: 10:20pm On Feb 18, 2012
uniqueren:
Well then i choose nt to believe
Good for you.
Christianity EtcRe: . by jayriginal: 10:13pm On Feb 18, 2012
Others have caught on, so all I'll say is ; Cool Story !!!
Christianity EtcRe: A Picture Speaks Louder Than Words by jayriginal: 10:02pm On Feb 18, 2012
Absolute genius !!!
Who would have "thunk" it. Pictures of words speaking louder than words.

crossman9:
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Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
I dont know why people still say this.

Lets compare with John the Baptist. An angel met Z and told him the name of his son was to be John. Z dissented on traditional grounds and was promptly struck dumb. It wasnt until Z upheld the "divine" name, that his tongue was loosened. Bear in mind we are talking of John the "baptist" here, and not the "savior".

In the saviors case as they want us to believe, it was "prophesied" that he would be called "Emmanuel" but lo and behold he wasnt. He was called Jesus. To fulfill the "prophecy", Christians decided to call him Emmanuel.
Utter balderdash! The prophecy didnt even refer to Jesus. This "cut and join" attitude is prevalent within Christianity.
Sadly so.
Christianity EtcRe: Challenging The Skeptics by jayriginal: 1:26pm On Feb 18, 2012
Ay Carumba. I can no longer count to ten. cry
Christianity EtcRe: The Cult Of Black Hebrew Israelites by jayriginal: 12:19pm On Feb 18, 2012
frosbel:
If you or someone you know has joined the Black Hebrew Israelites (BHI), let me say you are making a huge mistake following this cult. The BHI cult holds to various false doctrines, heresies and lies such as denying Jesus Christ's divinity and the virgin birth claiming Joesph is Christ's father thus making Mary and immoral woman and Jesus a illegitimate Son.
If you say Joseph is not his father and Mary was pregnant out of wedlock, he was an illegitimate child. You dont need your BHI for that. In fact the BHI version is even better (for the legitimacy of Jesus).
Christianity EtcRe: Darwin's Day by jayriginal: 12:10pm On Feb 18, 2012
OLAADEGBU:
Darwin's Day

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." (2 Peter 2:1)

Thousands of clergy have signed "An Open Letter Concerning Religion and Science."  On the Sunday closest to Charles Darwin's birthday, these "pastors" eulogize him and endorse evolutionary science as compatible with the Bible. Here are five reasons why this idea is grossly wrong.

The Bible has absolutely no hint of ages of evolutionary development Forcing the "days" of Genesis 1 to mean "ages" can be done, but there is no support for that idea in the rest of Scripture (Psalm 33:6-9, 148:5-6; John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:3; Revelation 4:11; etc.).

Evolution is not observed at all today Empirical science is based on observation and verification.  Nothing (from bacteria to people) is "evolving" into a "higher order."  Period.

Fossil data does not show any transitional forms If evolution occurred prior to recorded history, it can only be documented by the fossils embedded in the water-deposited rocks of earth.  Those "missing links" are still missing.

God's character absolutely forbids evolutionary methods God's holiness demands truth, and His omniscience demands perfection.  He cannot know what is best and then "create" something inferior.  He wrote that He took six days to create the universe (Exodus 20:11).  And He cannot lie!

God's stated purpose for creating excludes evolution The creation reveals the Creator (Romans 1:20, Psalm 19:1-4), gives authority to the message of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14, Colossians 1:16-18), and is the foundation for the gospel and for worship (Revelation 14:6-7).  Creating is what God does at the moment of the new birth (Ephesians 2:8-10).  HMM III

For More . . .
I admire the bravery of some Christians, relentlessly dashing their heads against the cold hard rocks of logic and common sense.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus, The Easter Bunny And Other Delusions: Just Say No by jayriginal: 3:38pm On Feb 17, 2012
dekung:
The founders of the Christian religion were somewhat smart. They envisaged people reaction and ability to question the bogus stories scripted in the new testament hence they came up with the concept of faith which really means suspend all rational and logical reasoning and embrace every dogma presented to you by the christian church and its bible. They invented Jesus who had no origin and no father.
Not really. They just make up stuff and revise as the occasion demands. Christianity has evolved and will keep evolving.
Christianity EtcRe: A Girl Slept With An Alhaji And Turned Into A Snake With Human Head. by jayriginal: 12:33pm On Feb 17, 2012
Why cant we apply our minds to intellectual pursuits rather than waste them on superstitious crap ?
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Understand By Religion? by jayriginal: 12:10pm On Feb 12, 2012
frosbel:
The man who brought one of the most evil ideologies ever known to mankind, Communism , and which was responsible for over 200 million deaths, is the same man , whose quote you so unashamedly post here without understanding the hypocrisy of it all.

SMH at atheists and their roundabout confusion.
Assuming what you have said is correct, does that in any way invalidate the quote? You seek to discredit him not by advancing coherent arguments, but by attacking the man.
Typical !
Christianity EtcRe: If Juju Or Jazz Was Real Then How Come? by jayriginal: 2:48pm On Feb 02, 2012
I've been threatened with juju before. I was told I would die that night. The woman even called me with the extra cool package to threaten me some more (maybe to find out also if I had croaked). I'm still here.

I've sworn an oath that was to be punished by death if broken (and I'm not talking about something frivolous here). I broke it barely an hour after I took it by telling my friend. Of course if I had slept and not woken up that next morning, it would be credited to whatever juju that was said to be at work. Nobody would say its a coincidence.

Bottom line, these things dont work. When they appear to work, its either a coincidence or else its brought on by the person (victim) him/herself. Theres a term for that in psychology I think, but it escapes me now.
Christianity EtcRe: Would You Remain An Atheist In The Face Of Death? by jayriginal: 2:36pm On Feb 02, 2012
What kind of death ?
If it is a violent death you are talking about then the question is this. If the atheist accepts the religion to avoid death at the hands of his aggressor, is he really accepting it in the true spirit of whatever religion his attacker adheres to ?

If you mean however a peaceful death, the type where you feel your life is ebbing away and you know there is no more time left, then the answer is an open one.
I personally would not even consider it. I can speak for myself only.

I do have to point out that you used a very wide term ie "cross your mind". I am answering you within a narrow context because I dont think you mean the word in its fullest sense. I think the term "consider" would be much better.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Muslims Always Quote The Bible But Christians Never Quote The Quran by jayriginal: 10:17pm On Jan 13, 2012
Joagbaje:
@Froebel
I thought you quote quoran sometimes.
(((((((GBAM)))))))

Possibly Frosbel is not a Christian.
The reasons he quotes the Quran are valid to him, the reasons Muslims quote the Bible are invalid to him.
Typical reasoning.

Cheers !
PoliticsRe: Fuel Now 141naira/liter, Bought 141 @ Oando In Maryland, How Much Did U Buy? by jayriginal: 11:24am On Jan 02, 2012
N 150 at Oando, Isiohor, Benin.
Christianity EtcRe: *~ Joagbaje Voted The Religion Section Poster Of The Year *~ Congratulations!!! by jayriginal: 7:40pm On Jan 01, 2012
MyJoe:
Deep Sight
Jayriginal
Zikky
You are too kind. I thought DeepSight deserved a mention too.
Congratulations to Joagbaje, Frosbel and Enigma.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Christmas And An Irony by jayriginal(op): 11:45am On Dec 15, 2011
Deep Sight:
Ditto with any major festival in any part of the world and in every culturehuhhuhhuhhuhhuh
I'm not exactly sure about that but then again, I live in the South and I am more aware of what goes on there than in other parts. So maybe, maybe not.
Christianity EtcChristians, Christmas And An Irony by jayriginal(op): 9:38am On Dec 15, 2011
Its the end of the year and Christmas is fast approaching.
Its a time when friends and family who have been separated all or most of the year come together to celebrate and rest. There is meat and drink in abundance and gifts might be exchanged. Little kids look forward to seeing their Uncles, Aunts, Grandparents, and elder siblings while the old folks look forward to seeing their kids who are "doing well".

All this - the travels, the merriment and gifts - comes at a huge financial price. Its a big annual event and most people plan for it. They save for it, cut costs in the months leading up to Christmas and will even take extra jobs just to earn extra income that they can blow on Christmas expenditure.

The previous paragraph brings us to the inherent irony. Crime and illegal activities increase significantly during the Christmas Season. One of the very first things you will notice as the season draws closer is the exponential increase in Police Checkpoints. All they are interested in is extortion of money from car and public transport owners. Okada riders are not spared either. This of course is nothing unusual. It happens every time Christmas draws near. One day you wake up and find that the Police are everywhere. You also have Vehicle Inspection Officers everywhere as well, looking for a reason to impound your car (or bribe your way out as they prefer). Even if your car is in order, you will usually have to put up with unnecessary time wasting, an inconvenience no doubt.

These agents are out to make some money for Christmas. Woe to anyone that gets arrested by the police or ends up in their hands on any pretext whatsoever. Whereas this is supposed to be the season for goodwill to all men, here the true colors will come out (and I'm not even talking about the black).

Crime as mentioned earlier is also on the increase too. The number of robberies I hear about almost every day is amazing. These robbers are also hustling for Christmas. Thats a big irony I think. Now where I live, petty stealing has flourished. It was on Monday, 7th of November 2011, that I discovered that my car stereo was no longer a part of my car. Thieves had broken into the car and removed it. They didnt break the glass or anything, they simply opened the door (and yes, the car was locked) removed the stereo and locked the car back again (which part I found quite funny to be honest).

Over the next days and up until now, they have been breaking into cars and compounds. Items removed include gas cylinders, clothes hanging outside, a generator, and if you don't have a car stereo they will manage your car battery (if its new or relatively new, as a few people have painfully discovered).

The fact that incidents like this reoccur every Christmas season is food for thought. While it cannot be said that all these people are Christians, it is a certainty that Christians are a part of the group.
Christianity EtcRe: Will A Born Again Christian Commit Adultery? by jayriginal: 2:22pm On Dec 09, 2011
debosky:
These half baked Christians who are trying to cover their own sin by quoting the bible.

1 John 2:1

My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.

So YES - a 'born again' Christian can commit adultery.
and then
frosbel:
You had to wrench this out of context to come to this conclusion.

What type of SIN was been referred to here.  huh

He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. - 1 John 3 :8

Ephesians 5:3 - But among you there must not be even a hint of intimate immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

In other words a Christian who consistently practises adultery has lost and denied the faith.
Typical Christian reply. All sins are equal (possibly with the exception of blasphemy). What does it matter if you go to hell for adultery or for stealing a biro or telling a lie ? You're still going to bake anyway, anyhow.  tongue
Christianity EtcRe: Are Atheist Decieving The World ? by jayriginal: 10:47pm On Dec 01, 2011
Evil Brain and fellow Pastafarian, you beat me to it. smiley

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