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Goke7:
Their desire is to see migrants being chased out of every western country, that’s why they like Trump so he can chase out their fellow Nigerians out of the US. Very despicable lots! And if you observe you’ll see folks who are not regular contributors here come out immediately they read or see people are being advised to try elsewhere. phew!

Hehe..
No let am vex u. There is freedom of thought and speech afterall.

I think for some, all these things come in phases especially for recent entrants.

After saving and praying for japa and hearing all the warnings on how to 'behave'. When many land, their main focus is not to upset anyone but rather please the 'natives' (as someone put it). That's why recent entrants can be quite timid and is not helped by certain aspects of our culture and tribalism back home.

After a few years, they get to understand the system and see those who feed off their taxes chancing them- na then many dey begin get mouth.

Sometimes, you hear harrowing stories based off this. A teacher recently told me of a case years back where the son of a recent migrant was bullied by a fellow student in school. The offending pupil has touched his privates and called him names. The boy reflexly slapped the other and it got to the principal and a meeting was called. Rather than the parents to speak up for their son, they cowered, came home and started scolding their son telling him not to put them into wahala for this abroad wey dem don manage come.

The child returned to school but was a shell of himself. Continued to be bullied and subsequently dropped out and became a delinquent and later started questioning his gender. I'm sure the parents would looks back and wish they were less cowardly earlier on.

TouchOfSpice:
Hi Everyone.

Please i will like to seek your opinion , With the ongoing challenge regarding the proposed immigration policy,

Is now a good time for an immigrant currently on a Skilled work visa to consider buying a house (Prior to the release of the white paper, We had indicated interest in buying a house, our offer has been accepted and we have started the mortgage application process.

After the white paper release, I have started developing cold feet and reconsidering my deceision ,

What would you advise>

Thank you.

Overall, this seems to be a good year to buy a house, rates are dropping and prices have cooled.

A way I approach such dilemma is asking what my options are

Are you imminently leaving the UK?
If not, do you want to continue paying rent.

Home buying in the UK is well regulated. If you leave, you can decide to sell or rent and receive the money wherever you went to.
Many of my colleagues who left sold their houses for good profit. I still partly regret not buying early on.

Again, what are your options?

Treadway:
Jedi, all this one no necesstri.

Again, no need to add all these jara. I'm not talking about ease of integration. I said and I repeat, IT WAS SUPER DUPER EASIER TO ENTER THE UK COMPARED TO OTHER WESTERN NATIONS DURING THE PERIOD IN REVIEW AND MAJORITY OF THOSE WHO TOOK ADVANTAGE DID SO ON THE BASIS OF THIS AND ALSO AS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE STOOD MUCH OF A CHANCE ELSEWHERE DURING THE PERIOD IN REVIEW.

I'm not talking about you or outliers...I'm talking about the overwhelming majority of cases...


Note: I intentionally chose to use overwhelming and majority together for prime emphasis

I'm not talking about integration, I'm talking about entry. You do seem to have a point but feeding strongly off the common but false narrative that migrants here should thank their stars the UK let them in as no other developed country would. Little wonder folks are left scratching their head when these migrants head on.

First, it needs to be said that humans move as groups. The reason why you have lots of Asians in say Hounslow is not because the council made it easy for them.

Asides spousal visas, virtually every arrival in the UK is here on the back of their own merit. In Canada, a number went in off relatives already resident as North America favours family migration. Infact, folks could sponsor their parents and grandparents.
Over the past decade numbers show it has been significantly easier to get into Canada than the UK. Nigerians may have favoured the UK but that does not change the fact.

Thirdly, migration to the west is based on need. There is limited blanket 'ease or difficulty'.
More carers came in during covid because the UK needed more not because it was 'easy'. They had a skill the host nation needed. Same with students- they had the money the host nation needed after the shenanigans of Brexit.

Lastly, when comparing migration between nations, you need to look at the whole picture, not cherrypicking the best of one and comparing it to the worst of the other.

Goke7:
Is it not when people here are encouraged to consider other options that some folks here will come up and remind everyone that Nigerians are not qualified? The uk doesn't want people to stay but it becomes headache to some folks here for them to try other options but are happy to see uk drive folks away. Which kind of devilish attitude is this?

It's mind-boggling. I remember being told here how me and fellow 'migrants' like chasing 'utopia' when I mentioned I was considering relocating years back. I wonder how many of the millions of Brits in Can, Aus or U.S have been accused of chasing utopia.
Their thinking is that if we were not let in, we'd be living on trees in 9ja- afterall no other nation would let us in and Britain is soft-touch. Their expectation is that we remain forever subservient, take anything thrown at us and not complain. Whats worse is that this is also chorused by some migrants
Like I always say, the west sees travelling as a right but for most of Africa we're made to see it as a privilege.

Zahra29:
Thanks 😂 Although you're not "letting" me. It's pretty obvious now whose views were fact based and whose were led by emotion.

re the bolded- are you planning a riot/protest? I'm not a rioter or fighter oh so I don't want to know any details thanks, lest I become an accessory lol.

He was born in the UK (to British parents before you accuse him of being an "anchor baby" ) :/ and moved to Canada with his Canadian wife when she wanted to return home. Happy wife, happy life and all that good stuff.
I don't think I've ever heard him refer to himself as an expat but he's not hung up about migration classifications like you.

Not a riot- just an investment. As you know, in the process of winding down, I had been looking to get an investment property for over a year and contribute to my home country rather than take the money to Canada. For a while, the numbers didn't work being in the south especially with high interest rates. However. I recently got one that ticked most boxes. The other day, it hit me that one of them is located in a town that saw some protests during the last riots. Some conversations I had here flashed back including the 'we don't think alike' one. At least, if there is another riot and folks accuse migrants of making houses expensive, they can point in my direction - I would not complain.

Currently completing a few finishing cosmetic touches and I might conduct interviews for potential tenants soon. I wonder what folks would think about paying rent to a Nigerian-British expat who lives in Canada.. hehe. I would be updating you. Like someone here recently said, what would the 'natives' think?

My prayers are with him and his family

adesbaba:
Hello all,

Please which part of Calgary feels okay to stay and with at least a sprinkle of naija or multicultural persons.

Went to check an apartment at Northeast today and everyone was just staring at me(95%) of the person's I saw were indians.

PS:if you have an agent ,I don't mind.
Wifey is starting a program at UCalgary

Thanks

Why did you choose NE?

Was the house cheap or was it close to your workplace?

Re: the bolded, I found Calgary quite multicultural. Even if you live in a mainly white area, you'd do just fine. I'd focus more on closeness to work and essential utilisies. If one has kids, then schools e.t.c.

Treadway:
but it's true.

The UK was super porous and super easy to enter, just about anyone who could arrange POF did...anyone. They didn't even need to actually have the money...third class sef enter🤣

The ratio of people that came in with a skilled work visa vs those who came with a student visa would be like ratio 1:100

Canada on the other hand only just introduced the tech, healthcare and other draws in 2023/2024, including the recent caregiver pilot which both Nigerians and UK based Nigerians who have those specific experiences/qualifications are now using and benefiting from. Prior to those updates/specific draws, they wouldn't have stood half a chance....cos they would have to be young, with masters and have high ielts and tef/tcf scores...How many of the folks who flooded the UK even wrote ordinary IELTS? Lol

Make we no dey fear to talk the simple truth jare. Dem no see Canada, US or Aussie before dem choose the 'far easier' UK

You have it wrong here. Also, easy with the exaggeration, you know these numbers are publicly available.

All factors considered, the UK is several magnitudes more difficult to settle in than Canada.

The issue here is thst people keep comparing apples and oranges. First, migration to the west is based on need not want. So if a nation needs a particular skill and opens their borders for that, you can't then use just that make general claims on their overall migration policy. I will not get into a migration pathway that needs carpenters...

When I considered leaving Nigeria- of the 3 countries I gave thought to (Canada, U.K and Saudi), UK was the most tedious to get into. I shared here how a lady contacted me and offered to partly foot the bill plus POF if I agreed to join body with her (for purposes of migration). I know many colleagues who went the Canada route and this was even before covid.


Its good you mentioned Canada which has a population of 40million as against UKs 67
Forget anecdotes, lets review numbers.

-About 7% of Canada's population are temporary residents. What's it in the UK?

-Look at UKs ILR numbers then compare that to canada which has been consistently more than double that of the UK. Last year they issued 485k. The UK wants to upend its system at the propect of issuing a few more.
-Even with students- until recently, college students in Canada were allowed to bring dependents. Till now, masters students are still allowed.
-This is not even counting citizenship by birth or the ability to sponsor parents or grandparents (recently paused)

Let me ask, where do all the entrants going to Canada come from? Abi they have 2 heads?

There are large areas you get into in Canada and see the number of people with little command of English and it becomes obvious the UK wouldn't have let them in.
Fact is people move in groups and with many things, theres a positive feedback loop- the more people go, the more others are likely to join. This largely accounts for the number of Indians in Canada- it's not the number of heads

dannytoe:
You haven spoken well.
But as Nigerian you really can't be comparing yourself with a brit working as an expatriate in those countries earning more than he/she would ordinary make in Britain.
The comparison is unbalanced.
Reason being the brit is born with a first world passport that alone has many Benefits beyond the reach of an average Nigerian with a green passport .

But when you get your passport, of course you can travel relocate to anywhere you desire and become the Brit that working far from home earning higher.

Hehe... I think I get where you're anchoring your point from but my issue with most of these discussions has been the mentality. If a man thinks he can't do well because he's somewhat inferior, then the issue is not with his capability but his psyche. I'm not in the habit of comparison but I find the first paragraph depressing -reason why I keep saying travelling is education. You'd benefit from exploring more nations. But let me ask, why do you think the comparison is unbalanced?

You make a point about staying back for the passport which holds some water. No need beating around the bush. I'd give you personal examples.

1. One of my friends in the UK was a vet. Was sponsored for work here. He got a research role in Quebec (a French speaking part of Canada) and he doesn’t speak French by the way. He left after 18 months in the UK. Last time we spoke- no complaints.

2. A few years back when I completed my training in the UK, it took me at least 3 weeks of consulting and deliberating to decide on staying back for the extra 2yrs it'd take to get the passport. Main reason was that I now had family here and was developing a sentimental attachment. The funny thing is that most people I asked in Canada told me to forget about the passport and come over, those on this side said wait for it. I know at least 3 colleagues who did not think staying back for the passport was worth it and some left on a visa and visited soon after to sell their houses. Afterall, you only need one strong passport they said. None has regretted that decision. I can absolutely guarantee that if it was a 10yr wait, I would have left without a second thought.

3. Most nigerian care workers are degree holders. I have even met a lecturer who works as a carer. Are you telling me that if they are offered professional or better paying role in other countries they should all let the opportunity pass because they are waiting for a passport?

The bottomline is that these are highly individualised and people are able to make calculated decisions. Being abroad helps widen peoples scope and avails folks wider opportunities.

Zahra29:
LOL, sorry to hear that you're not in the right headspace today. Hope you feel better.
...

I'd let you carry that 'trophy'. Remember I once came up with a list of all the areas you did well during the last riots. Too bad, I'm on to other stuff now. Talking about the riots, I have something interesting brewing- should I share?


Please, do ask your uncle. I need all the information I can get and dont mind tapping into your reserve. By the way, is your uncle a fellow British expat or did he move from the Carribibean?

dannytoe:
All I'm saying is that immigration policies are changing around the world in a sweeping manner. For those countries still with friendly policies it's a matter of time before nationalist politicians rise up to change the narrative, as time has shown in the past. It may get better or worse in the future, no one knows. So it's better to make plans on what you have at hand than embark on a new journey of uncertainty in order to escape one country to another. Except you're sure of arriving there on a pr.
Well, i haven't compared with Saudi Arabia before.
Besides I don't see why anyone would use Saudi Arabia as a reference point. A country where you're banned from pr, citizenship and even marrying their women.
Personally i rather return to Nigeria than relocate to Saudi Arabia.

True @the bolded. Change is constant and opportunities come and go. I've seen the Saudi Arabia comparison made here. That said, I wouldn't call all migration a journey of uncertainty- more of a calculated risk/experience.

It doesn't even have to be on a PR. Many Brits relocate to America on a visa. I know a friend who left for Australia within the last month. Chap was earning 6 figures, had only just got his citizenship and is married with teenage kids. Ticha here mentions how she revels her experience living and working in NZ as a teacher even with teenage kids and she hopes to travel more once her kids are out of the house.

We are sensible enough to make good decisions for ourselves. The world is meant to be explored.

All thing being equal, If I was earning 50k and got an offer to earn 50% more in another country with good perks even on a work visa, I'd give it good thought. There are loads of Brits in UAE despite they not having permanent residency status. Over 40% of Canadians are of British heritage. When I interact with some white folks abroad, I'm manytimes impressed by how far they've travelled- to them, travelling is a right not a privilege.

Zahra29:
Lol, you're clearly still not paying attention.

I dont have the headspace to engage in your shenanigans today moreso given you struggle to have a decent conversation.

However, I'd throw you one. Perhaps you could help me with something I've been thinking about.


On emigrating, I'm wondering what to do about my state pension contributions given I dont know if/when I'd return. Certain considerations-

1. I gather there is a reciprocal agreement where contributing years here could count for me in Canada and vice-versa.
2. I could apply to keep making voluntary UK NI contributions as a non-Uk resident. That way on retirement, I may have access to both pensions. Still looking in

Overall the Canadian system seems more convoluted and less generous being a more capitalist state. With theirs, it sounds like folks mainly get what they put in and they do not permit voluntary contributions for their non-resident citizens whereas, the UK is more of a subscription model where abt £900 counts as one qualifying year i.e its cheaper and also pays more in retirement. Of course, these could change. All said, in certain aspects, the UK does tend to treat her expats relatively well. I gather this is historic.

What are your thoughts/advise?

Viruses:
How does this work if there were no visa restrictions?

Without visa restrictions, you're free to work whatever hours you wish as an independent contractor and handpick what jobs you do. Or you can mix and match to a suitable degree. Of course, it depends on your field.

One pathway that works was a mix of both. Part time job with say a govt employer and the rest of ones work done independently.

That way you can get the best of both. The steady income (for living expenses), progression, paid leave, pension of the paid job. While having a ltd co where you dont need the funds helps one to tax defer, invest, contribute to SIPPs, electric car benefit e.t.c

Goke7:
That’s where the issue is, folks don’t really enjoy the reward of their labour and the so called free healthcare and other perks don’t really compensate for the huge chunk of taxes. It’s also the reason many prefer to rely on benefits than to work themselves out for others to benefit from their huge taxes

True- those earning well feel they are over-taxed with not much to show, while many don't see the point to work.

Except is exceptional cases, the free healthcare for someone on good pay is hardly an advantage. Many high earners who left would get better access to healthcare by simply employing part of the money saved by paying lower taxes while earning more elsewhere.
The ISA and SIPP are largely unmatched but then, one still has to earn to put in those.

dannytoe:
So last last jumping from one country to another may not cut it for some people especially those who have invested alot in the UK already.
The best thing like someone has suggested before, is to consider investment in Nigeria and nurse the idea of a possible return back home in the future.

You make certain points with the rising right wing narrative. However, I've always found it quite troubling that whenever changes that'd disproportionately affect us are put forward, some would look to excuse it by looking for the worst elsewhere. The other day it was using Saudi Arabia as an example. It's like telling someone suffering abuse not to complain cos others may have it worse. Is that not the mentality that has left some parts of Nigeria in a sorry state?

What you have is a mash-up of what you cherrypicked as the worst of several nations including random media debate. What about the areas where those nations perform better than the UK? Or is it a competition for the worst?

If today, visa fees were raised to 10k, ILR to 20yrs and we're excluded from buying our homes, would you still say afterall, 'Saudi Arabia does abc'?

With migration, people take opportunities where they see fit. Travelling is education. Always worth remembering that when it comes to migrating, we as a group have hardly moved.

Raalsalghul:
At the bold is why I think it's not an intelligence issue. Even if you cannot create or invent, you can at least "copy" or "outsource".

Our value system as black people has kept us at the bottom of the ladder.

As you believe this, what are you doing to change it?

Goke7:
It's all fantasy, moreover they can't complete much in not only attracting but retaining such skills in comparison to their western peers due to wages which is what has never been addressed.

We thank God for economic mobility- e dey help.

Wage in the UK is a tricky one. While the UK has one of the highest minimum wage, median wage and pay for professionals (especially) lags its counterparts. Higher earners do quite some heavy lifting in taxes but get relatively less out of the system.

There are loads of very generous interventions- from 12.5k tax free allowance, to free healthcare, nursery support, good state pensions e.t.c. that are not roundly available in most countries.

NewT123:
This news touch me o! I hope they don’t do the 10 year wait. It’s already draining counting down to the 5year route. An additional 5 years could lead to more exploitation of workers, desperation and the feeling of being less wanted. Instead of encouraging integration with the community it will foster more separation. Many may not want to leave because of the uncertainty elsewhere. There will be more borrowing on the parts of immigrants leading to more struggles to pay the exorbitant visa fees. It now seems that seeking asylum may become a more faster route to settlement as once successful, you are granted a settled status ( not encouraged though). Well, it’s their country and their rules but if implemented, it is a clear breach of contract as this wasn’t what was promised before many embarked on the journey. Let’s watch as the story unfolds

'Integration': Another buzzword which actually means 'see yourself as inferior, forget your culture and say nothing'

5 more years would make it easier

Santa2:
Based on current trend it seems like Farage might be the next PM, as a smart politician that he is, he is already painting Starmer as flopper referencing his initial stand on immigration in 2020 as reference, except some miracle happens like how Trump gave the Liberals a new lease of life in Canada. While I detest all that reforms stands for, I would like for them to get into power as I believe they would flop and flonder. If the current whitepaper is implemented I believe the legal migration numbers would go down and at that point they (reform) would have to look for ways to attract people in to do the work citizens wouldn't do, that oxymoron would make for a good laugh. Most skilled people are already looking at Japa 2.0/3.0 even if it just for the sake of giving them middle finger . Its really annoying when you already 3 years in on skilled work visa, with 2 years to ILR in view then you realize the goal post might soon be shifted. No be their fault sha na Naija leaders cause am. Anyways for those looking at options, You might want to look into EB2 - NIW which gives US green card without need for Job offer, The requirement is not stringent as EB-1A only that it has longer waiting times than EB 1. Of the 6 criteria for EB2, you need to show at least 3 of the criteria. Make God help all of us. God no go shame us for this Oga Charlie Land.

Good points.

The conservatives or Reform despite all the mouthing would struggle to bring down migration numbers as much as Labour simply cos they'd not make some of the cuts Labour has.

Like I've always said, with Reform, I'd much rather they are in power than be the major opposition.

Gerrard59:
Nah!

They want to kpeme in the UK. They believe they know more than the natives and can cut themselves off from their dominant societies. Thank God na the so-called liberal party aka lovey-dovey party with its leader labelling migrants as strangers, rightfully so anyway. In Reddit/UKPolitics, there were a lot of comments which stated that there should be a cultural clause to it where Aussies, Americans, New Zealanders aren't affected as Bangladeshis and Indians. You see, humans are tribal.

With my experience in the abroad, it is a place where you gain knowledge, build contacts, save hard currency to build where you know you are wanted, where people look like you, eat the dishes you like etc. It must not be Nigeria as Nigeria is not the only Black dominated country. I thought the 2023 elections would have taught people lessons, mbanu! If the natives say they don't want you, as evident by the comments I read on the Financial Times, what are you going to do about it?

In this life, you should never force anyone to like or accommodate you. Get what you want and port out.

You do tend to lay undue emphasis on what random people think about you. Look around you- the world you live in is a story of migration. It would never change. You are a Nigerian today because someone migrated.

Even in Nigeria, same can be said. I was earning good working in northern Nigeria despite being of southern heritage. Should I have packed my load and went to the south cos many of my kinsmen had been killed in the north? Or is it the recent Lagos shenanigans?

No offence, but I find it difficult to believe you've left Nigeria- most of those comments you place undue emphasis on are made by people with less education than you and who would certainly not say that in the open -folks whose livelihood are partly funded by taxes of migrants. If I was worried about what 'natives' thought about me, I would be living in a hut in my village.

Goodenoch:
Personally I’m much much less interested in citizenship than in the ability to switch employers without having to deal with sponsorship issues. I came to the UK not because I was suffering in NG but because a lot of the biggest employers in my profession are here, and work visa limitations are a serious hurdle in accessing some of them. Also, business is a priority for me and the UK would be a great base for many reasons.

I have been very fortunate in the roles I’ve secured and have been able to make substantial progress still (about to be sponsored by the third organisation in less than 3 years) but I’m certain that if sponsorship was not an issue I’d be earning a lot more plus be able to start and run my own business without limitations, and the benefits of that freedom will only continue to compound over time. I don’t have any issues with paying the IHS or whatever - its an irritant but not a huge deal in the large scheme of things.

But having to limit what work/business I can do for 5 more years? Huge issue.

Well said. Economic mobility cant be understated

You can still run a business though limited to 20hrs. Depending on your field, if your invoice for job done is not based on hours put in, then the 20hr limit becomes a vague limit. When done properly, the benefits of being incorporated are good. I can't see myself returning to a fulltime PAYE job

emmaodet:
Bro sorry to ask but what is all these fuss about the extended residency permit issue? 5 years extra and so what? If you get your British residency in 5 years, most probably you would have stayed extra 5 years or more anyway from observation.
So why the worry?
Most guys I know who migrated to US, Canada and UK have all been staying there years after getting their passports, I hardly know anyone who came back home finally, so waiting for 10 years, working and paying your taxes looks no different to me.

5 extra years being shackled to a visa would restrict attainment for most. It means less economic mobility, i.e you're more beholden to your employers, less able to speak up or change jobs or move e.t.c. In addition, less government support e.g help with young kids, paying more for your mortgage e.t.c. what happens if after spending 9 years, someone loses their job? 5 years currently is barely doable.


I'd give a personal example. During covid, the government out of need lifted the 20hr extra work limit with other employers for health workers. This simple change meant I was able to restructure my work, set up a limited company and do over 60% of my work via my company. The increase in differential earning by that set-up was just abt 100k a year. What's better is that working via my ltd co was much more tax efficient. I was subsequently able to putdown a 25% deposit for a decent house, get a much better mortgage rate and hence pay less to the bank. All that would not have been possible in that time if that simple change was not made. Compound that benefit over several years and its a different picture.

Yo can also look at the visa fee which is one of the highest in the developed world- take the 5 year visa fee for a family of 5, stick it in a relevant ISA and let it compound at 9% over 20 years and see how much it is.

Another is the talk of 'high-skill' which has never made much sense. We know most higher paying roles are well regulated and not as interchangeable. I wonder where the UK being a developed but relatively lower-paying country expects to get all that skill from.
As an example- bring 100 neurosurgeons into the UK today, most would be jobless in a year and would be of no benefit to society despite being skilled professionals. If those 100 were builders however, they would quickly get working and contributing. A society needs those skills it lacks not some mythical high-skilled folks.

It's funny how western governments like to make a mountain out of migration which should be so easy to end. Even in the UK- stop PSW, stop the NHS from recruiting abroad and stop care visas - thats 90% gone. Ultimately, right from windrush boat arrivals, migration here has never been about want, its all about need.

It's interesting touching on all the comments about the proposed migration change.

My take on it is simple. It's appears to be a knee-jerk reaction by the current government.

They appear to be misreading what the public actually want. Quite often, people tend to misrepresent their frustrations. The fact is that for all said, main reason why people have lashed out are due to specific policy changes. Chief among them being the winter allowance removal. I have not met any older person who was not seething at that decision. We know how much sway this group has on politics.

There is lots of talk about migration, but for the most part, if people don't feel personally affected, they care less. It was quite clear inward migration would be much less under a Starmer government than the last. The main difference was supposed to be the posturing.

Oddly, it just seems that the current government (unlike the last) might be able to pull this through. Not because they want to, but because they gave themselves the financially leeway to do so e.g by reversing the proposed move by the last government to abolish NI, farmers inheritance tax changes, VAT on schools, winter fuel allowance changes, reviewing the benefit system and increasing fees that local students will pay. Most of those are the actual reasons for people's frustration not migration numbers which were already falling significantly.

Ultimately, such decisions tend to have unintended consequences. One thing that comes to mind would be how this change would significantly affect economic mobility and attainment by migrant groups. It has been estimated that this change is unlikely to significantly reduce the number of people that'd eventually get ILR. It just makes the process more tedious.

@dannytoe

I agree- the recent change seems to be a knee-jerk one. History has taught us they tend to have lots of unintended consequences.
Asides my worry for those that'd be affected, I'm not losing sleep over it.

2mch:
Soo dull. How about you also put the cost of their living expenses. You are comparing yourself to them. Do you spend in pounds? Why should they be paid in naira or equivalent to their peers in naira when they live in a more expensive society?

So why do our politicians earn more that even the prime minister of UK?

Tolu2024:
Ungrateful people
Don’t think if everyone run to USA, Canada or uk the pay will remain the same?
The citizens of those countries are going to other countries that pay better because blacks are ruining their job.

And you think those countries don't have blacks as citizens?
You have a small mind.

They wouldn't compare their pay to what politicians from developed countries receive but if its workers, you start hearing excuses like differential cost of training, cost of living e.t.c

Goke7:
The beggar doesn’t have a choice and uk sorry to say it’s the beggar here. At all at all na im bad

Hehe.. UK via KS did a good job of showcasing British diplomacy- warming up to Trump as expected.

Not come across any solid description of what the deal entails.
I must say though that the way these deals are publicised, it hardly breeds trust with each nation trying to show they have undercut the other. Deals these days should be beneficial to both parties.

lavida001:
Are the beef chlorinated if yes we should all get ready for obesity pandemic

They chlorinate chicken to make them healthy for consumption considering the way they are raised.

Apparently, the way they are grown is in more of a factory-like fashion than a farm. Sitting in the poo most times and killed once due all to reduce costs and boost profits. Chlorination is to kill of certain bugs.
Don't forget most countries chlorinate drinking water so it's not new. Main reason its banned is cos of animal welfare. Reason why Farage didn't seem fussed about it- asking in what manner poultry imported from asian countries are raised.

Obviously, the term 'chlorinated chicken' would make many uncomfortable as we associate chlorine to bleach, chemicals e.t.c but it's not necessarily unsafe for consumption

lavida001:
I believe this happens every summer when most permanent staff go on holidays. Let’s see how things unfold. Time go tell

🤞🏾

Trump no dey hear word.
Is he just mouthing or was this really the 'deal'

Universities have relied on international students paying lucrative fees to make up for deficits from teaching UK students, whose tuition fees have been eroded by inflation. But recent immigration and visa changes have provoked a sharp fall in international recruitment since 2023, with the government expected to tighten restrictions further.


These articles have become a recurring theme. Still wonder where the low point would be. They always reminds me of previous discussions here where fees by international students were deemed negligible- 'less than 1%' some said.