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Warriorprince:
Thanks alot Jedisco....this is quite helpful✌️

Yes I know alot about my friends.....wait!! you don't believe me😂

Hehe.. I believe you or did you see me doubting you?

Warriorprince:
Asking for a friend......

Please, what is the average length it takes to finalize a house purchase? My friend has her deposit intact but started Lisa a bit late, still have like 5 month before her Lisa is matured for withdrawal, however she has seen a house she likes and wanted to put in a offer......the questions are, will it be reasonable for her to start now or wait till like November and how low can she offer in differential to the asking price?

You know alot about this your friend. Hehe

It depends on a few factors - for old builds, you need to consider if it's chain free, how quick your solicitors are and if issues come out during a search. 2-6 months is about average. So yes, she could start now and complete in about 5m.

Regarding offer price, it also depends on a few things. Mainly price of comparable houses, state of the market and how long it's been on the market. Newly advertised houses are less likely to be reduced. At time goes on, sellers become desperate. Market is slow paced now but has shown some resilience. There's no hard and fast rule- but I'd go with 5-10% less than asking depending on a few bits and not be afraid to up it to asking for a well priced house.
Most would need to bid on a few properties to before they arrive on one the buy so no harm starting early

Wetin dey do our thread..... we've not woken up from the post riot gba gos abi. Finally kudos to Kier Starmer- there's room for improvement but this is how uprisings should be handled. Also kudos to the many Brits all over the country who fiercely stood against far right racists.

All said, looking at the profile of many of the convicts, I just feel sad that such rifraffs were stocked up by politicians and given a pedestal to point fingers at productive members of the society. All reminds me of past religious riots soldiered by almajiris in Northern Nigeria. Imagine what drives the thought process of someone like this who after living his entire life on other peoples taxes turns around to blame others for his self-inflicted woes

Judge Robert Linford told Cann that during police interview he "spouted the dangerously inaccurate nonsense that was behind these incidents of disorder countrywide" pointing out that he told police during his interview that the protests were about "an immigrant that had killed girls".
Judge Linford then launched a stinging rebuke,saying: "So let's look at how the taxpayer have been funding your activities over the last 38 years - let's see what you've cost the country: you've got 10 aliases, four fictitious birth dates, you're 51 years of age, you've been convicted of 170 offences, you been convicted of theft, arson, taking cars, handling stolen goods, obtaining by deception, burglary, dangerous driving and possessing bladed articles. In all over the years that you've been visiting the criminal justice system you've received sentences totalling 357 months in prison, many of them concurrent.

"In other words, nearly 30 years. That Mr Cann is what you've been costing this country and you sit there in that interview and saw fit to be critical of others. You have no right whatever to say who should or should not be in this country."

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/judge-explains-rioter-hes-no-29734794

deept:
@ jedisco,

The 'quality' of neighbour you have can affect your peace, mental health and value of your property.

Finally... There are people you don't want to live next to- from work, I sabi them wella. Thankfully, haven't had any significant issue on mine. Regarding the HA tenant I mentioned, sometimes our eyes would cross on my way to/from work and we'd exchange 'hello's'. Na why when missjekyll on the other thread mentioned hospital referral as a panacea for sick notes, had to ask if she'd experienced the social system before.

Funny thing is I was about the first black owner on the estate so perhaps some were sceptical of me. Remember meeting my neighbour and about the first question he asked was where I worked. Almost told him I was an assylum seeker. The last census mentioned only 1 black person on the estate. Now we are more but less than 5 families

AKALAMAGBO:
Most people on the post advised Old builds in a good location is far better than New Builds…

Lots of variables to consider.

I'd prefer to look at it based on individual locations and make direct rather than blanket comparables. In some parts, old builds are more expensive or equally priced as new builds. New builds are generally very energy efficient and nothing triggers me like having a 3 or 4 bed with one toliet- not surprising was that was the first thing I checked on any house. Another advantage of new build for first time buyers is that the developers make the process easier.

When I was searching, I considered a number of old builds but most had one issue or the other and hardly justified the asking price. Those that ticked all boxes were more expensive or equally priced.

UK in general a preference for the old. Also on Reddit, its worth being aware of certain nuances e.g when folks generally complain about the 'build quality' of new houses while turning a blind eye to same issue in old houses.

As lottery winners?

What nonsense!

It's disgraceful this is what we have reduced ourselves to.
An unknown person shares bigoted views of our ladies and we rush to put it on the front page of the largest online forum. @Seun think deeply

Imagine the largest Emirati form elevating such bigoted views of their people from a Nigerian and fellow Emirates frolicking in jubilation

What's worse are the little minded men celebrating, your self esteem is lower than low. Why not ask him whether he has better views of Nigerian men. All around higher species, masculine strength is not shown by subduing female species. If you want to be 'alpha' it's fellow men you should aim to first dominate. You must start by saying what you have achieved that your fellow men cannot and how men look upto you.
Until you lot understand that you cannot have useless female folk without having equally useless men only then would you see that insulting your women is same as degrading yourself. I hope you all get the opportunity to leave this nation and see that basic human characteristics are universal.

Stumbled upon this thread on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/HousingUK/s/IIJStJhg0h

I wonder what the experience of folks here have been regarding social housing on new estates. Would it be avoid at all costs or it doesn't really matter?

When I was buying, a house I was targeting (big flat garden) was directly opposite a terraced group of social houses. A friend advised I skip except I want to be 'watching a drama series' through my window. A few home owning friends mentioned same (in addition to avoiding semi's or terraced) and although I didn't think it was a big issue, I heeded their advice and took another plot which overlooked a natural landscape with the SH slightly behind. Glad I made that decision.

Despite being a 'nice' small estate in a good area of town, most the police presence so far has had to do with the SH houses. One night, it was screams all thru from one of the houses. Their Kids are constantly in the street playing- mostly in front of my place which is the nearest close. I'm not bothered by their play but how late they keep makes me wonder. Many times still there past 9pm in summer. The annoying part is occasions where I heard mother and young kid hotly exchanging swear words. Looking into their garden in the morning you'd sure be met by a sight.

Odd thing that the adjacent shared ownership SH has a much different vibe to the rented ones.
I remember asking the developers who gave me a look when I asked about the location of SH. I later asked why the most expensive houses on the estate were tucked a good distance away from the SH. Also many of the SH have a good setback from the road reasons which are becoming obvious with time

Overall, I'm happy with my choice- but if buying again would be sure to again ask for the location of SH and try to keep my distance.

Ticha:
The salary is relatively good if you take the 13 weeks (technically 10 weeks because of planning) holidays into consideration. Especially if one avoids the South East completely. Academies can now also give bursaries/scholarships - it does bond the teacher however that ensures that you also have stability for a while.

Handling kids + parents is the main headache I see. Perhaps younger kids will be less problematic (not that any group is easy)
Any reason for the bolded?

Overthinker:
@jedisco most times when I read your comment I wish I can like it a thousand times, I am open to mentorship so much points delivered precisely and always saying it as it should be……we the association of silent readers and silent learners

Hehe... Tuale...
Na fees get you so ooo

Zahra29:
Blimey, a page-long post dedicated to Zahra on this day of rest 😂

I haven't insulted immigrants - - the same way that I'm sure you didn't mean to be derogatory when you've labelled Brits as benefit scroungers, work shy, racist and when you claimed that they don't go to university.

However, do I believe that recent immigration needs to be better controlled/ reduced and tightened to prevent the abuse that has been prevalent in some sectors? Absolutely yes and that's usually the core of any debate I've had.

Madam Zahra... not today.

It is not the first time you have accused me of abusing Brits. The last time I asked to show evidence, it was a game of dotted circles. So I would indulge you this time.

On the second bolded part, I have not come across anyone particularly not on this thread who has advocated an open door policy. So no need belabouring it.

The crux of the matter is that while repeatedly insulting our very intelligence on a Nigerian fora, you take good objection when the slightest non-favourable thing is said about Brits. I understand that a number of immigrating Africans sadly have esteem issues ingrained over the decades which is evident on this thread by a few folks who have described themselves as second-class humans, but ultimately, that characterisation of oneself can and does change with exposure and most importantly, doesn't include all.

My issue here is the absolute lack of responsibility by previous governments on immigration. They cannot purposefully ramp up migration, and then demonise us giving room to rifrafs to start throwing aspersions. If people are annoyed with migration, they should not take it on me-
They should blame their government who made the pathway available in the first place and told me on arrival that I am needed.
Same government who gave me 20k grant to take up a chosen pathway
Same government who allowed me work unlimited hours when covid hit
Same government who paid my visa fee on renewal plus my employer who advised I apply via the more expensive priority visa (as it would be refunded) so I can start early
Same government who when faced with the prospect of long health worker strikes went back again to relax the 20hr rule so migrants could support the NHS during striking periods.
Same government who when faced with the prospect of my colleagues leaving the country after training due to visa technicalities, had to practically remake the rules to allow them work freely for 4 months while making a choice
Same government who gave me the option of a 10k or 20k grant depending on the way I wanted to work after training
Or my employer who offered to help with my ILR cost if I stay with them.

While being grateful, it's disheartening to see the length the govt and employers go to retain the talent the British public need all for some rifrafs to cast aspersions. Good thing is that there are loads of vacancies in my sector for rioters willing to apply

Finally, on Reform, remember I said I hoped they win. Some lessons need to be learned twice.

dupyshoo:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/13/worklessness-crisis-britain-dangerously-dependent-foreign/

What can be done about this? 9.5 million adults not working!!!

The archived page to circumvent the paywall: https://archive.is/qHCIB

I'd like to see how this tallies with those receiving benefits. The graphs are quite telling.
Obviously it's an economic issue - one exacerbated by the fact that a good chunk of these 9.5m demand pristine NHS and public services. I fully support this demand only that such well-oiled services need to be manned by people and they need to be funded by taxes. So ultimately good chunk of people have to work for us to have a functional society

Interesting quote- I wonder how it tallies with other data: Splitting that figure up by place of birth, UK-born people account for 833,000 of the increase, with 230,000 people born in other countries. That is to say, the overwhelming rise in worklessness has been driven by those born in the UK.

Cyberknight:
And another one...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/13/immigration-immigrants-society-rich-labour-public

Good read... digested it last night. Delving into the linked articles was brought to fore certain economic facts.

More needs to be done to relay the fact that there's no significant relationship between immigration and wages. Some things might seem like 'common sense' initially but on deeper thought, it wouldn't be as it seemed. It's how some Nigerians largely blame high blood pressure on thinking too much... I know stress could be contributory but there are much bigger drivers at play.

Eitherway on migration and realities of a falling population, Japan continues to find out

Solumtoya:
At this point, we need to consider opening a "UK - Politics" thread so we can leave this thread for "Life in the UK"...


Again, maybe the group has matured so much that people don't need those childish yarns about jobs, housing, driving, visa, credit, travel, etc and are now more focused on the big British talk

Fair points raised. Lots of conversations are still taking place.

Hehe... I remember the good old days when every other page had a question on credit score or about a driving test. Some complained then. Remember asking then why the issues raised here sounded quite basic and far removed from other UK-wide fora. The group will morph as time goes on and people settle in and I believe it has. One can only pass a driving test once and credit score craze soon fades out when one realises it means little. We now have a dedicated housing/mortgage thread. Someone even mooted an investment thread. Maybe with time a retirement thread, e.t.c

Remember Justwise wasn't here for a period and the group modulated it self. Yes, there were a few squabbles but things went on fine.
Ultimately, it's an open-ended group and different themes will dominate which will with time not be disconnected with what's going on in the UK as people become more 'British'.

PureFace1:
Who told you Chidimma is citizen of other country ? all her life she has been living in South Africa and was born there so she is legally a citizen of South Africa.

They bullied her because she's black and as loyal slaves they want to continue to be the favorite slaves of their white masters, it is just like when a master have two servants working under him and one of the servants want to be the only one serving and receiving favours and is doing everything to chase away the other servant so that she can be the only one serving and receiving favours, instead of both of them to work together so they can liberate themselves and also become masters.

South African black fear other black will replace them in south Africa which is really impossible when they see other black doing well they feel like they are getting replaced, they don't want to lose the current economic and political power they currently have in South Africa to other black but they don't mind if the white control everything, i think apartheid did serious damage to their mentality.

Shameful.
How is she different from Saka, Rishi Sunak, Obama e.t.c? After a while they would come and chorus how whites destroyed their country

Goodenoch:
.....

And that is the point - the constant demonization of immigrants. The tories issued visas (on the basis of the economy's need for them, not on humanitarian grounds, to be clear), yes, but they also made it normal to attack immigrants for everything that went wrong, however unrelated. ..

If people want more immigration, they should vote for a party that promises more immigration. If they want no immigration, they should vote for one that promises that. Either way, those policies should be campaigned on and whoever wins should implement their mandate without the divisive rhetoric that inflames people and legitimizes the terrorism we've seen the past few days.

Or is it asking to not continually be everyone's whipping boys too much because we are immigrants?

Well said.
We just finished an election where the Reform promised zero net migration among numerous freebies- why didn't they win?

I agree with the constant demonisation bit and that build up is the reason why many have taken issues with Zahra. She is well known for far right views but the parts I've taken her up on is subtle belittling of migrants. From quick memory,

My first contact with her here was when she mockingly 'warned' us that those who voted Brexit did not do that because they wanted Europeans to be replaced by 'brown and black' folks (her words). My response was reminding her that the stvpidity of Brexiters means nothing to me and their shortsightedness has been of good benefit to Nigerians which I welcome.

Next it was heaping struggles of the NHS on immigrants who in her words arrived with many untreated medical issues. Had to remind her that immigrants are overwhelmingly young and fit and would rarely visit their GP. Many are not even registered despite working in healthcare or paying more that their fair due via the IHS.

Next it was international students and how they are a drain. I had to educate that fees paid by international students are not only a lifeline of many universities but also subsidise local tuition fees.

Next it was how the NHS doesn't need migrants. Again had to remind her that a few years ago, the number of newly registered international doctors in a year surpassed new local doctors. Also, the government willfully stopped paying nursing students bursaries as it was cheaper to get oversee nurses.

Next was how the last government didn't know the care pathway was being abused in a bid to absolve them. Had to remind her stories were rampant in the media for years and that the home office issues every visa and should have a live tally of numbers issued and lastly why the care pathway had not been scrapped even after all the abuse.

The last one was showing hypocritical concern to developing nations who loose healthcare workers. Had to remind her that Britain donated millions of it's citizens to US/Aus/Can. I wonder when they'd ask them to return.

The next, I'd guess is how the UK would stop recruiting healthcare workers from certain nations. Again I'd say, I'm surprised it took so long.


It is such subtle insults that people noticed and came to the fore with the riots and the classic 'but' game she came with.

LionInZion:
If we can't call a spade a spade, and keep rigmaroling and being politically correct in the face of sheer anarchy, especially the one targeted directly at us, then I wonder where our dignity and courage lie!

All these started with verbal attacks, deliberate and coordinated misinformation in the media, an agenda to direct all blames on migrants, by the likes of Suella Braverman.

Some of us saw the imminent resultant effects. We knew it would one day lead to what we've witnessed in the past days. We shouted against it but some usual suspects here would rather shush us up and subtly guit-trip us for being a burden on the system and the natives. I remember figuratively saying then that if we allowed such narratives to go on unchecked, one day we'd have our fundamental human rights stripped from us, be told we need permissions of the natives to make love etc, and people would still defend such. But to some people, we were being irrational and unable to hold a 'balanced view'.

I cannot like your post enough.

Imagine telling Americans on the day of 9/11 something in the line of I empathise with you but you caused it. What lunacy?

Just like @Goodenoch had stressed, the last government despite gouging the most on immigrant labour in recent memory also went far lengths to denigrate immigrants. Every problem was balmed on immigrants- housing, health, insecurity, education even road traffic. That same government was paying relocation fees to nurses, paying international teachers 10k, giving grants, paying visa fees and making concessions to certain healthcare workers.
Even here we were reminded of the phantom pressure immigrants put on the NHS forgetting the NHS only exists in its current state down to the presence of immigrants. We were demonised and politicians told their minions the last poll was an 'election of immigration'. Not surprising social misfits brewed on that to point fingers.


Since the windrush arrivals, the question for Brits has never been do you want immigrants. Rather it's been, can the UK bear the brunt of low immigration?
Like I've said ample times- as immigration is the root of all evil, the UK can easily end immigration and in doing that, solve all their problems. Wages would rise like it's done in Japan etc. What I would not tolerate is a scrounger looking at me on my way to work and moaning how the reason he can't work is because I've taken his job...

Treadway:
Modified @11:16am

Let me know when a Russian becomes Miss USA and vice versa ✌️
you don finish? Abi e still remain? When you finish, go and crown Chidinma as Miss SA or go find one Silondile from SA and come and crown her as Miss Nigeria in your lala-land.🤣

I agree with your one point, we definitely don't think alike, afterall our thinking and decisions are largely based off of the experiences that we've been immersed in.✌️

I don't want to make this about us hence I wouldn't deal much. Issues at stake are bigger.

The Chidinma case is still evolving and I'd let it play out.
Like her or not, it's people like her who drive the reality of the world we exist in. Every single right you enjoy today as a black man in the West was as a result of someone like her. Almost all technology including your phone was brought to life by someone who pushed boundaries. If Rishi, Kemi e.t.c listened to all the nay sayers, they wouldn't have achieved what they did. Yes, the failure rate is high but that's the price to pay for change.


I don't regret my purchases in the north. The knowledge that arose from that and income earned has proved pivotal.
You remind me of when I got a state government job in the northern state and on submitting my letter of deployment to the senior admin staff at my place of assignment, chap sat me down and started explaining how what his state did i.e giving a 'non-indegene' a 'permanent and pensionable role' cannot be replicated elsewhere. I was grateful for the opportunity but chap made it out like I was handed a life-changing opportunity. I was looking. Little did he know that I put on hold a higher paying role with a different state govt for that.18m down the line, I handed him my resignation letter to migrate. Chap was looking at the letter like it was written in Arabic. It was same impetus that made me apply for my second UK job (taking up a £20k government grant in the process) before starting the first and leave the first role after 5 months despite it being a huge step up from 9ja and seeing colleagues who had been there for several yrs. Funny thing is that I am currently negotiating to buy an investment property in one of the towns where a riot took place and looking to view it this week. If successful, and the new tenant has an issue with paying rent to an 'African landlord who might very well be abroad, too bad- my response would be 'next person please'.
Overall, I agree with you- we don't think alike.

bharkarh:
thank you for this detailed explanation. I have opened the LISA account with Moneybox. I still don’t know how to go about the stock/share ISA.

Can I PM you?

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/stocks-shares-isas/

This is a good resource to get more detail. All you have do is choose a broker/platform, sign up, decide on it to buy funds or individual shares and how to do that (I.e manually or recurring direct debit). I buy funds so I don't bother about the price of individual stocks. Investengine and Trading212 are about the most competitive for most people now. Both have mobile apps you could onboard with. Trading212 has the added advantage of paying competitive interest on cash not yet invested and they're also giving a cashback on any sum invested this year which is why I used them this year. Investengine has a cleaner app.

This https://monevator.com/compare-uk-cheapest-online-brokers/ is a good comparison of brokers with all the technical bits involved.


I would typically not respond to PMs not out of spite but mainly to maintain my privacy. You could mention me on an old thread in a 'dead' section of NL

Ticha:
Hmnn, we have been incredibly lucky with a series of being in the right place at the right time, finding friends who were open to combining resources with us and Covid. Covid has been both a blessing (sorted our finances and gave us clarity of thought around plans) and a curse (lost a few friends and family).
...
The US would have been our best move - for finances, for lifestyle and for travel. However, we firmly made a heart decision. With little changes, we can achieve the same thing on less income and see our family as much as we want.

...

I am perimenopausal and was actually beginning to struggle a bit work wise. This is my 20th year away from 9ja and my 26th year working non stop and it's been GO! GO!! GO!!! I am happy to ease off the rat race a bit, drop down a bit career wise and just be.


With my current role, I can work and earn full time and still have all that as well as support my own health and mental well being.

Long story short - we made a completely emotion driven decision because our finances can support it for now.

Go for it! I advise anyone who can go live in another country to do so. You won't regret it especially as you're planning in advance.
You'll get good international exposure, expanded worldview and hopefully your finances will get an awesome bump in the process!

Missed this
Very interesting story and good life experiences to learn from.
One thing I see from your post is that you put in he work early on and thanks to fortunate events, you have yourself in an enviable position.

I'm hoping your kids cherish those memories into old age. It also does give them a sense of family. A good pull factor of the UK is it's 'proximity' to 9ja and the increasingly robust Nigerian community here. Over the last few years, as a group, we've become more visible especially in the workplace and hopefully, that should give way for better access.

With the japa journey, I personally think there's a sweet spot age wise. 20yrs in, most including me would be aiming for stability. Doubt I'd have the strength for family relocation when I get to your age. I feel like I have another 10-15 yrs of really hardwork mode in me before I start applying the brakes- reason why I want those 15yrs to count.

Recently stumbled on a interview of an established person stating the most significant factor in him being wealthy was being born white in America and at the time he was born. A good number of successful entrepreneurs share same view. Got me thinking. It's interesting what being in/leveraging the right location can do to ones earning potential and life goals. In my about 10yrs in active work, 3 out of my 4 of major increases in earning has been largely down to my location with only one due to a new qualification. Same was true in 9ja. Down to location alone, I was on 2-3x what I would have been on in other parts. That income helped me self-fund my japa journey which saw me 10x my take home while doing same work. From calculations, CAN move should 1.5-3x+ my take home. I'm approaching my mid-30's and now close to a summit of earnings here with further increases likely to be additional except I get into the business side of things which is something I have my eye on but would do in CAN. I am sure going for it. Na my red kpali I dey wait.

I believe you are a teacher (correct me if I'm wrong)- what do you think of the recently streamlined pathway for teachers to come in and career prospects in that field.

MemoriesAndMe:
Lol, I wish I can do same. Lived in the US for about 20 years now and can't really act "proper Nigerian" on them like that...lol

Lol... na why dem dey target you. You dey smell foriegn foriegn.

Once had a stint where I had to observe folks coming thru and it's quite interesting how much about individuals you can pick up by just observing them.

Once they open the checked-in bag and see Nigerian food stuffs inside know this one na bad market. When they ask and one uses phrases like 'baba nothing dey ooo with' 'me wey just complete my ticket money' or 'all my cash don finish' sometimes I leave 50 and 100 naira notes visible in my wallet so once dem see am, they know say this one no dey gree.

MemoriesAndMe:
I travel through MMIA in Lagos most times, I did through Nnamdi Azikiwe Airport in Abuja only once and there was still begging there. They had many stops for various people to search through your luggage with each of them coming with individual demands.

One begged for my hair clippers, I gave it to him, knowing it's useless to him. The clippers are designed for US voltage, 110v, Nigeria uses 220v. Must a person beg for everything they set their eyes on?

The next one was begging for my headphones and I was like "Hell no, go buy yours from your salary". They can beg for you eyeballs if you allow these rats to enter you.

Lol... never experienced this type oooo... I go proper Nigerian on them

MemoriesAndMe:
They can delay you and make you miss your flight during departure.
During arrival, they can put you through hell like telling you to take out all the contents in your luggage for inspection, luggage that have already been inspected before they were checked in from where you're traveling from. They will hold you up for a long time at the airport asking all sorts of stupid questions.

The only way to just give them some money. That's why a lot of people travel with naira still on them to give to these rats at the airports whenever they return. Give them dollars, pounds or Euros, there are more of them waiting to get more from you. They are very annoying sets of people.

Is this in Lagos? Only travelled thru once Lag once. With Abuja, I'm very resolute but jovial. The whole begging just irritates me.

obi4eze:
This is very common at the airport, especially MMIA. Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport is now becoming notorious though.

I had to transfer 5k to the Immigration guy who was scanning my luggage before I boarded the last time I visited this year. He was so persistent
even when I told him I had no cash.

Corruption is ingrained in every fabric of the public service system in Nigeria.

It is so disgraceful and embarrassing.

Try not to give them anything. It only feeds the disgusting habit

Kudos to Keir Starmer. Another reason why I decided to adopt this nation as another home. 72hrs from event to sentencing... Next!

Just look at rifrafs causing mayhem. The profile of a few I went thru had one thing in common- economically inactive louts. Most of the immigrants they are attacking contribute more to this society than many of them combined.

They are free to vote Farage next time, afterall, he said it was an election of migration and minions repeated it. Nice migration to prison.
@missjekyll, kudos to Labour. For this alone, Kier has earned my support for a sensible tax rise. I go happily pay. I have no problem paying extra to feed these lot in prison.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm23y7l01v8o

justwise:
You sarcastically saying the quiet part out loud, if Axel Rudakubana was a 17 years old white boy do you think the protest will happen?

The UK should be the last country on planet earth to moan about immigration, the UK approximately colonized 105 countries, killed, displaced and looted as they go.

Thank you for this, I find it soul destroying when I see black folks take a guilty look when migration is discussed. Despite the fact that a miniscule number of Africans have ever left their abode, it's somehow made out that moving around is a privilege to us but a right to others

Like I said previously, the more I know about human history, the more unapologetic I become about migration. Reminds me of a chat I had with a white British folk at my workplace. Chap was trying to insinuate a grand plan to get people from Africa into the US. (I.e illegal migration). I told him that being British, he should more than everyone else know migration is as old as man. You don't like my presence, too bad, I don't care.

To Gerard who talked about deporting 2nd gen... like I asked, how far back do we go? Should Australia/U.S or Cad start deporting White folks back to Europe?

Treadway:
Omo, me I can believe I'm rooting for them o...

Like Paul Mooney once said, who dem for root for if no be dem? After slaving for over 400 years pushing through adversity, and literally building the country with their hands, blood and sweat, I'm supposed to not give them preference over Tunde from Nigeria or Juan from Mexico wey wan come chop food wey don done wey dem no follow cook.

Same way I don't support xenophobia, but I can understand the anger of SA towards other Africans notably Nigeria. They (South Africans) didn't run anywhere, they stayed and fought for their country, died in swathes for it. Food come done, peace come come, Chinedu wan come enjoy the calm and goodies of the country, or some other African, that didn't partake in the sacrifice...Nija own go come still dey loud, boastful and proud join. Una come say make pushback no dey. How na. One naija geh with prominent Igbo and Yoruba name wan be Miss SA! Imagine! Like say one geh with SA roots and a name like Nthamelo can come and be Miss Nigeria.

How do some of us think. Is it neo-colonialism or just plain cowardice? What section of human history do you have the faintest knowledge of?

You remind me of a coward I knew back home who kept telling me how people from his part don't come to my part. I told him we don't think alike. That if a language competition is organised in his village, despite the fact I don't speak his language, I can decide to participate in that competition and best him. It is not my fault, it is the way I think. The world does not belong to cowards. The first property I bought in Nigeria was in a northern state I grew up in- same state I had seen loads of people being killed in my very before. People were grovelling. Told them my thinking is simple- it makes economic sense, I but it.
That is why today, despite doing respectably well in the UK, I'm set on giving myself and kids the right to be Nigerians, Brits, Canadians or Americans. Anyone we deem fit, we use.

Gerrard59:
It is controlled with certain restrictions such as a bachelor's degree being mandatory if the person will eventually attain permanent residence and naturalisation. Immigrants from mostly Southeast Asia are favoured over those from South Asia, especially the usual suspects in the picture I posted. Another point to state: all cultures are not equal. Then, the law authorities don't care who you are, where you come from, your skin colour or what God you worship. If an immigrant commits a crime in Japan, the person is dealt with the visa cancelled and the person gets deported and banned from entering the country. If the person is a permanent resident and the crime is heinous, it gets revoked. There is a reason Japan is safer than anywhere in the Western world. That is the aspect of law enforcement I mentioned which Ndi lovey-dovey liberal parties across the Western world even to Chile cannot tackle. I have never seen a group of people who adore criminals.

Tufiakwa!

In my books, criminals should be thoroughly, ruthlessly, brutally and mercilessly dealt with regardless of who they are or how they look. If they have ILR, revoke it and deport them back to their native countries. If they are second-generation immigrants, do the same thing, lock them up and throw the keys into the English Channel. I don't know why the death penalty is frowned upon sef. The narrative is clear: don't forgive or pamper criminals. Deal with them! If I ever become a politician, obviously in my dominant environment, I will copy ALL of Lee Kuan Yew's policies to the end. I cherish safety and want the same for the inhabitants of my community. So, if as a non-native, you cannot behave accordingly, I will deal with you, no ifs or buts!

I usually don't repost full length posts but had to do it as reading thru your post, I wonder how you see the world. You exhibit exceptional ....

Japan is not the crux here but to be clear, the gdp per capita (attached) is today less that what it was 30yrs ago. Their political class now visit other nations seeking migrants. They have over recent years changed many laws, ramped up their intake of migrants, granting permanent residence to certain groups after only a year instead of three- not because they want to but because they have no choice.

I struggle to comprehend your second paragraph. When you look in the mirror what do you see? A slave? So if Rishi, Kemi, AJ or Saka commits a crime, they should be deported to India/Nigeria? How about Boris Johnson? Turkey perhaps. How many generations do we go back?
My issue is not you seeing yourself as an afterthought but trying to reflect that on every black person. I have said it multiple times here that the only reason I had the opportunity to come to the UK was because I was needed. If just 0.5% of people on longterm sick could do my job, I wouldn't be here.
Make no mistake, if today you and your kids decide to be slaves in the UK, the difference between now and 400 years ago is that your rulers would include fellow blacks who have a different mindset. I do not need the permission of every British person to become a Brit in thesame way British people didn't ask permission to become Americans.

Phew.... alot has happened

Gerrard59:
The issue is that Western politicians are largely incompetent in solving their people's problems. In 2009 when the global economic crisis was ravaging the world, the Japanese government paid immigrant workers in automobile factories a one-off payment to return to their countries so that it frees up space for unemployed Japanese....

Not confirmed but if true, how has Japan fared since? Their population is dropping quickly but still their citizens are no better off today than 30yrs ago. They are increasingly looking outward and increasing migration. No one is arguing for unregulated migration here.

There is a reason the west has remained an economic powerhouse

missjekyll:
You still haven't answered the question. Why far left? I m dragging this for the edification of thread visitors. Make person no go call im colleague "far right" or "far left" for work. You go kuku go hr explain wetin you mean.

You will recognise the tax policies you ve mentioned as the current government policy.
Laid out boldly in the manifesto on which Labour won a stonking majority. Meaning these are very popular policies. What's the issue?

No vex my sister. Let's say you and Zahra are on extreme ends of the spectrum. No more far this or far that. Hope we're good now

I'm noticing oddly contrasting views interestingly from same person.

On the protest over social service issue-

Zahra29:
It's an own goal by these communities because their vandalism and violence only serve to bolster the assertions of those on the right that multiculturalism has failed/isn't working very well.

In addition to the reputational damage, there is also the potential economic impact. Areas with predominantly immigrant and ethnic populations tend to be among the most deprived in the country - with a few exceptions such as Jewish communities e.g in North London. These types of incidents will discourage investment, jobs and regeneration; the area will deteriorate further and it then becomes a vicious cycle of violence, economic deprivation and class/racial tension. An example is Croydon which has been in steady decline since the riots in 2011. This is how slums and no-go areas, like in parts of France and Belgium, get created.

On far right protests...

Zahra29:
Farage hasn't actually commented on the riots as far as I'm aware...... Legally I don't think there's going to be much to stick on them because they haven't actually called on people to go out and fight and destroy property. ......

What is more concerning is the damage done to police trust, cohesion and community relations. The cities where the more violent protests are being staged e.g. Rotherham, Sunderland etc exposes the deep anger and tensions that have been brewing over many years fuelled by deprivation, rising crime, inequality and a feeling of abandonment by the government. Similar reasons for previous riots, and these issues will need to be addressed by the government sooner or later.

For similar actions, one group have committed an own goal and should blame themselvesfor repercussions, the other group are only responding to deprivation by the government