₦airaland Forum

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In other news, special Kudos to these our 9ja ladies. The proper 9ja accent sweet me pass.

Mk UK hold them well cos U.S companies no dey take eye see these kind brains

missjekyll:
I love every little bit of it. It's been 14 years of torture ,people deserve to laugh a little.

Now if only farmers will stop whinging about their very generous tax rises.

One thing I have leaned from the UK vs 9ja is that when you see a group moaning- you need to look again cos the facts are not manytimes what they seem.

Cyberknight:
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Otherwise, leaving Reform to keep making the running with this issue of immigration is going to sink Labour, while they continue to tinker around the edges. They can increase deportations of out-of-procedural options people as high as possible, but the public is not paying attention to that. They need to do something along the lines of when Sunak shamelessly came out to announce that they were whacking up IHS to pay NHS staff. Maybe they could have tied their non-walking people NI increase to that, for instance. Effectively you tell the people that managing immigration means everyone has to step up.

Hehe.. free matter.
These things comes in waves- life itself is repetitive. Just like high and low tide, you'd have periods of high and low immigration. We might be getting into a low-tide period which is not bad... make thise wey come recently chop small. All said, one fact remains constant- immigration to the West is based on need.

Was it the unsustainable number of Europeans that forced the self-harm called Brexit? When last was the care sector fully self-reliant? Eastern Europeans came to work here and returned yet people complained that they're using the pound to develop Poland. Now, Indians come and remain, complain still choke.

The fact is KS by his policies is more likely to reasonably rein in on longterm migration that NF. The later might show some wickedness but would ultimately cause more migration if he sticks to his economic promises. Personally, I want Reform in for this stuff to go full circle. I said a while back that the next few decades would be fun to watch. Even as hell bent as Japan was, they still had to smell the coffee.

P.S. I take exception with this unskilled migrant tag for care workers. The true cost of a care worker is not what they are paid but the opportunity cost of not having them here.

Goodenoch:
She “says it like it is”…

Unless it’s the greatest social crisis of the decade in which people are being mobbed in the streets, in which case she has nothing to say…or heinous comments by a top Tory donor, in which case she only says mealy-mouthed platitudes before rushing to diminish the seriousness of the situation.

Indeed.

Hehe.. its called selective honesty.

0bjpmb:
All the the things you wrote are nonsense. Onitsha is by far more developed and planned than your glorified village unplanned state capital. Onitsha is the best city in Igboland. Know this and know peace.

M

It's interesting you come all guns blazing without even knowing where I'm from. Well from.my post, it's quite clear I know Osha.

I'm not here to measure d*cks. Not every Anambrarian is content gloating over mediocrity.

Even countries with underground rail networks more complex than our overground roads are still building and striving for more talk more of a city without walk paths.

There is veey little in terms of town planning here and Osha leaves alot to be desired.

The state and local government should start by
1. Dualising Awka road
2. Plan a standard and timed urban transit system with dedicated bus/taxi lanes. This service can be licensed
3. Start mapping out a rail transit system too.
4. Provide and protect green spaces, parks and hubs within communities even if it means pulling down buildings to create these
5. Stop the incessant building without thought to parking, natural light penetrance or ventilation
6. Mandate sealed drainages and walk paths on all city/township roads. This is not rocket science- many Nigerians cities have it
7. Cover the excessively large drainage system towards headbride which are life hazards
8. Set up local waste management services with weekely pickups
9. Demolish and rebuild mainmarket to be an ultramodern mall made of parks, hotels e.t.c.
10. Map out a skyline agency that would be in charge of developing the Osha waterfront into what is seen elsewhere
11. Find a local means of making land owners/individual properties pay a monthly fee used in providing services.

This has not even mentioned pipe borne water, waste water delivery e.t.c


We are more than this and should stop celebrating mediocrity.

I'm slowly beginning to like Starmer. Seems like a no-nonsense guy.

He is setting himself a good bar, looking to drive the narrative and set areas on which the media should hold his government accountable. He would sure be roasted if he fails to meet most of the targets he set for himself while in government.

To me, two things stand out-
1. No mention of migration. This is the first in a long while
2. 1.5 million homes.. hehe . This might be heading to a place I like

@Missjekyll's what do you think of these 'milestones'?

Goke7:
Reduce wetin! Dey play. I keep hearing that even care workers now are applying for their dependents and getting approved. Just heard one today and another friend who just got his COS as a support worker, so could be true that jobs are now available while the whining about numbers continue.

Hehe... more gist is needed. Do you mean those who picked up care roles after the last change can apply for dependents without meeting the salary treshold?


Overall, I think Kier Starmer would bring down numbers not because of what he says but because of his disposition. E.g with education, lower number of international students (who subsidise locals) means local students have to pick up the bill if their numbers are reduced. Significantly reduced income from migrant workers mean a higher tax bill both of which he has had no issue effecting.

The difference with Starmer is that he is looking to deviate from migration-focused narrative of recent PMs and does not want immigration to the buzzword of his government.

Oddly, the best thing for migration would be a government promising huge tax cuts and freebies for everyone. Once the economic realities of such hits, migration becomes inevitable. Reason why I'd rather Reform wins than be a significant opposition

Interesting how this was missed. Net migration for last year revised to almost a million. Seriously, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak should be knighted. I only hope many students who came with dependents are not shafted.

I can't wait for Kier Starmer to boast how he's halved net migration by bringing it down to a sustainable 300 - 500k a year in record time.

I believe a good enduring takeaway from all this is that the populace would slowly be desensitised to migration. These days, all the main political parties are no longer talking of reducing migration to 'tens of thousands'.
In other news, I gather work in the care sector is becoming more available. Can those working in care update us.

Zahra29:
In other news, I came across a story that the Nigerian government is to launch an investigation into civil servants receiving salaries from abroad. I hope you're not "among them" lol
(Issa joke oh)

Hehe.. not surprised and I don't think its a joke. My first interraction with you here was when you disparaged healthcare workers of Nigerian origin.


I am very much 'among them'. There is only one way to find out- I can give you the details of where I worked back home. In the same vein, you can also contact the hmrc and ask if my investments in Nigeria are taxable.

rock86:
Then as for Nigerians having my back, no, I actively avoid them now. If possible I wil avoid myself too. I've seen enough Shege and bad belle from them cos how can you be 30years in this country and be threatened by my existence, when I haven't even spent 6 months? The attitude is scary AF, I am well received by others from other countries so I better stay away and interact from afar

I left out the first paragraph cos I'm not keen on delving into such statements. If you think they're lazt and unambitious, look around and ask yourself how this country came about. There is a reason they appear the way they do. The questions you should ve asking is why?

Regarding Nigerians, now you're in the UK, you'd see the general narrative on Nairaland about the west does not match reality. I have done quite well in this country and it would definitely not have been without the support of the Nigerian clique I have. Sharing similar upbringing, we connect effortlessly. Also, it's important to avoid living in a cocoon and connect with the wider society. As someone said, it would do you well to look beyond skin colour or nationality when interracting with humans.

ukay2:
It is mainly for those that have purchased their houses and are still using the LISA accounts for contributions....

Fair enough. At that point, considering should also be made to SIPPs too (sounds like I'm preaching to the converted). UK has relatively generous saving schemes though pay lags its Englisg-speaking western companions

rock86:
I encourage people to try, not to limit themselves.. The fact that it's not the norm doesn't mean it can't happen, we just have to try. I was told not to attend the interview because it was a mistake, I attended. I was told not to take the offer seriously, yet I was adamant and landed the UK. I entered UK, naija people for work wan choke me telling me I wil struggle. Lazy people. Yes, I struggled for like a month to understand the role which is normal but now I'm a master at it. My nursing work in Nigeria is even 10 times harder and physically draining than this.
Never listen to negative people, try try try and get the response first before pessimistic people make you loose focus. UK people generally seems to be lazy and pessimistic, I've come to discover.

Hehe.. this man/abi woman. You too like controversy.

No need badmouthing '9ja people'. They're still the folks that have your back
In all, I agree, its important to keep pushing (esp when young and flexible), have the right mindset and the right clique.
Regarding the bolded - lazy? No. Pessimistic? Perhaps but thats borne out of history. Its best to avoid painting everyone in a country with a broad brush

kwakudtraveller:
Jedisco, I would like to hear your professional take on this Assisted Dying bill.

Right now, its more of a moral argument than professional one.
The crux of the matter is - should we as a society allow this this or not? Those firmly against it haven't done a good job of selling their point as they seem to be clutching at anything to deviate from the underlying question.

Statements like - we need better palliative care services- true, but that does not answer the question. Its like telling trans groups to stop seeking treatment until there is better mental health support (i.e insinuating the reason they feel trans is down to poor mental health services). Also phrases like that are open-ended and with no clear ways of measuring achievement. Every doctor/nurse can move to palliative care and we'd still say 'we need better...' Fact is, though there is room for improvement, the UK has quite robust palliative care support. But even the best of that can at best moderately minimise the suffering that comes with certain ailments.

If folks thinks the safeguards are not good enough- the question becomes what safeguards do they want but still does not answer the underlying question.


Personally, I'm a bit in the middle but tilting towards letting the right cohort have the choice. Just like with abortion, If need be, I'd opt out being involved in the process (aside signposting) due to personal beliefs and I expect there would be similar safeguards for professionals in this bill.

I can see the arguments on both sides and it sure feels odd medical practice now being at a stage where services would be used to actively end someones life which is at variance to the norm.
OTOH, I not to uncommonly see people suffer needlessly (despite best efforts of professionals) while waiting for a fast growing cancer to cause them more grief and eventually take their life. Those who have cared for someone in that state often have a nuanced take on this.

Hkana:
Passed my practical today with 1 minor. First attempt.

Congrats... Na one year you take prepare?

luqken:
Hello,

My broadband contract (with Virgin media) is ending in few days.
Can someone recommend a broadband with good deals. I don't understand what Virgin media is saying regarding renewal of contract because how can I move from £22 to £57.

Why not use a comparison site such as USwitch e.t.c. and see the best on offer across providers. If I get a good quote there, I then check on a cashback site to see if there are any deals to be had for a similar price.

Currently on Vodafone full fibre 2 . Started at £25 with a £110 cashback for a 2yr contract

Goodenoch:
If I were in your shoes, I would dispute it as a matter of principle (read: stubbornness) even though the sum isn’t substantial. I’ve never had a penny deducted from my deposits in the two places I rented because I was very deliberate about caring for the places and deep-cleaning them when moving (first time by ourselves and second one by paying for a professional post-tenancy clean). If the landlords had attempted to take anything, I’d have happily disputed it and supplied all the evidence.

Efftyy:
Hello good people...

I'd agree with you on this. I don't like being taken advantage of which I sense its what the op is feeling and based on principle would escalate this especially if I had gone the extra mile to keep the place tidy. Its a straightforward process if the deposit was protected.

I gather the deposit service has no requirement to get professional cleaning done irrespective of what the landlord says. The property should be left in a good state similar to how it was met. Also, the landlord can't bill for normal wear and tear and can't bill tenants for betterment (i.e cant bill for a replacement as though an item was new. Also bearing in mind that many items e.g carpets have a 'life expectancy' after which they're regarded as a write off ).

For referencing, most organisations giving one tend to err on the side of caution and give straightforward, unbiased and pre-populated responses. Ultimately, its a small sum and it's down to the op. If he can overlook it or not.

ukay2:
I have moved my funds Moneybox CASH LISA to Stocks and Shares LISA....funds invested in S&P 500.... difference in returns is very clear.

Do so if you can....

Reasonably so but saving in stocks can be quite risky for those looking to use their Lisa to purchase a home in the near future as it can go both ways and that uncertainty can be difficult to manage. If for retirement, then stocks should well outperform cash.

Omoawoke:
You ...

You are rambling like an emotional 16 yr old

Omoawoke:
She is slave trying so hard to whiten her identity

The only slave here is you.

Didijiji:
We were made to understand that using FX to import fuel puts a strain on our exchange rate

Now Dangote and PH refinery are taking care of our internal demands with little or no need for importation using forex,

HOW COME DOLLAR RATE IS STILL OVER 1.7k Naira?

Also remember that dangote borrowed billions in usd to build the refinery which he'd payback from proceeds of sale. So while we may not be needing forex to import petroleum products, hed still need it to pay off his debt. The main difference now is that the need (for petroleum related purposes) should be less abd drop with time

There are criminals in every country.

Zahra29:
The argument was not whether the UK had control powers or not. I suspect that is a debate you've been having with yourself.

I see you've shifted from moving the goalposts to attacking grammar.

You'd rather do anything than hold the government, which issued over 700,000 visas, responsible. I agree—the UK government was a naive, hapless teenager who was 'invaded' by vicious migrants.

It has always been evident that Western nations maintain robust control over migration. They loosen and tighten rules as needed to attract the people they need.

Goke7:
And talking more about control there is now a job vacancy advertised by the govt for an EU negotiator, they say it’s to reset relations with the EU, one thing I love is the vocabs they throw around to dribble people while using other rhetoric as a cover. Interesting times ahead
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjw0xngdj2jo.amp

My brother I encourage you to apply, the pay is good o 150k per year 😜

Hehe... If media-facing, I’d view this role as a poisoned chalice. Honestly, unless the benefits are particularly robust, the pay should be higher given what the role entails.

Another good thing with the recent spike in numbers and the latest OBR projection is that it might shift public expectation. People could eventually feel 'thankful' if net migration dropped to 300k. I remember mentioning some time ago that the UK needs 300–500k more people in long-term net migration to maintain stability. Ms Z then said it was my 'opinion'

Goke7:
The summary is simple; it’s all talk and do nothing. Which itself is not bad cos all stakeholders are aware of the potential economic impact. You can run campaigns with it but after all said and done that BBC article you posted here some days ago is where it all finally ends.

True.. that article just delves a question I've been asking all along. This stuff is so easy to do if they want to.

Zahra29:
A brief walk through history might help.

(For reference, Control = Decide who and how many)

Thanks for the history lesson.

In summary, Brexit gave the UK significantly more control over immigration than they've had in decades. The government then used its new found powers to issue over 700k visas. They've also used that same control to cut down numbers. In essence, at no point in this whole process did they 'loose control'

Zahra29:
Point is, it is possible to reduce net migration if the political will and levers are there. Most western countries don't want to reduce it to zero levels, but as can be clearly seen by the policies being introduced by UK, Canada, Australia and others, they certainly want to control it, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What exactly do you mean by 'want to control it'?
You're saying conflicting things- 'it's possible' but they 'don't want to do it' i.e they do control it. Except this another attempt to absolve governments of their actions, blame migrants or present a narrative of an invasion.

Are you trying to insuate that in prior to recent events, Western nations have not had control over who they issued visas to? The ability to increase or reduce numbers overnight is the very evidence of their control.

ehizario2012:
I don't know if you're in Africa or not. However, nobody chooses where they were born and I don't think it's necessary to feel guilty when you emigrate outside Africa. As long as you're adding value wherever you go, that place can become home. Abraham wasn't born in Canaan, he migrated there and made it home.

True talk asides the value part- one doesn't need to add value to call a place home. You don claim am be say you don claim am. What value did many settling Europeans on other contintents add to the indigenous population? Called local populations savages and killed them like chickens?

The history of our world is one of migration. The recent change is that those who all their existence have been doing the moving are now being moved into. Most of Asia and Africa are largely new to the concept and it only becomes an issue when the person moving is non-white. To them its a right, to us, it should be seen as a privilege.

I remember sharing these graphs before. For over 100 years, UK lost a good amount of their population to migration every year. When are those migrants coming back to help the UK? Take 1% net emigration for example- in Nigerian terms, that'd be over 2.5 million people leaving. That's equivalent to what the UK was donating to others. We all know what they did when they arrived their destination. How many of us they move finally - e fit no reach 300k per year.


Wouldn't surprise me the average 25yo Brit may has been to more countries than most Africans would visit in their lifetime. I have colleagues with Bespoke houses close to the French Alps they visit multiple times on holidays or is it average-earning Brits buying up homes in Spain e.t.c.
I remain unapologetic about migration especially as a black man.

When would we go past celebrating such as a country

It amazes me that no one seems to ask where this group get their data from and the quality of the data before forwarding it to frontpage. Certainly, most of what they post is dodgy.

I hope folks know anyone can create a page on X, call it 'StatFacts' and start reeling out whatever they like. Even an AI bot (non human) can be set up to do this.

Congrats... Hood man!

Impunity shouldn't be allowed to run free

AmiableMosquito:
Then again, at the back of my mind, I am thinking, are you sure the cut-off for subsequent healthcare draws won't drop especially if they carry out the subsequent draws more frequently than they have done earlier this year?

Interesting how quickly the healthcare draws have risen in a year. It was expected though.
With the reduction in PR numbers for next year, except healthcare is protected from cuts, I'd expect it to rise further. They may look at tinkering with the number of occupational codes accepted for healthcare. Even if its protected, it's only a matter of time before people pivot into that pathway.

Goke7:
The Canada PM is just talking politics same way Brexit was used here and at the end they opened the back gate. Even the uk pm is still warming up ( watch out) Germany with all their mouth is looking for 400,000 workers. That bbc article you posted a day or two ago says it all. No govt can reduce net migration including Trump, they will huff and puff but at the end you will realise so much has been let in.

These things have their peaks and troughs and as I said a while back, the next 2 decades should be interesting as most big economies adress their changing demography.

Good read about Germany. They accepted over a million syrians in 2015 (under assylum but also with the aim of boosting the labour market) and recently, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. Now, they have copied the Canadian points based style and looking to fastrack it. The interesting thing is their economy has struggled over the last few years after the Russian invasion- some would have thought this would have been the time to run far away from migrants.

But wait o... are they really looking to issue 200k work visas in 6 weeks?