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The problem with homosexuals is that they are always seeking rights; always campaigning when it is obvious that there would be no need to campaign for something if it were generally acceptable to a MAJORITY.

the campaign was a backlash against proposed law in 2009 to criminalize homosexuality with jail and death sentences.
so basically it was a fight for their lives.

^the guy was ugandan.

Tensor,would you let this happen to your son if he turns out gay:


https://i.huffpost.com/gen/205868/thumbs/s-RAYMOND-CHASE-PHOTO-large.jpg

Raymond Chase Commits Suicide, Fifth Gay Youth To Take Life In Three Weeks
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/01/raymond-chase-suicide_n_746989.html


homeless and runaway black gay youths domestically abused by parents and relatives at home.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/us/17homeless.html

tensor777:
How does any parent respond. Anyway as you would guess from my posts here I would assure him that nobody was born a faggott and would try and talk some sense into him.
I would let him know the consequences of being a faggott and do all in my power to draw him out of any friends that are polluting his mind with filth.
I would in fact leave no stone unturned until he renounces faggottry, regardless of the consequences.
It will never happen that I would beget a bloody faggott to be honest.

well obviously the chances are lower but if it happens,

the child may run away from home due to domestic abuse and end up in the streets getting involved in drugs and risky sexual behavior. stuff that arise as a result of marginalization from mainstream society esp. in black community.

in the best scenario, he will get help from a specialty shelter:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/us/17homeless.html

tensor777:
Would you trust them with your kids for instance or would you trust them not to gossip and spread rumours about you?
Would you entrust them with your secrets if you were to trust anyone at all with them.

tensor my friend. gays are not aliens from mars. neither are they inferior to straights. just regular folk like you or me  
And how do you know that some school teachers are not lesbian or gay? Are you going to carry your own special application form to schools you decide to enroll your kids in? How do you know they won't end up having gay friends etc. how do you know one of your kids won't end up actually coming out as gay?

besides, what kind of rumours are you talking about? lol

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7635386#msg7635386 date=1296418528]Is homosexuality even a worse "sin" than lying? I thought all sins were supposed to be equally bad.

Anyway, personally at this point I don't give a damn. It doesn't affect me or my life, family, etc in any way. So why should I be so opposed to gays?[/quote]we are all sinners anyway. I will leave it to God to judge whose sin is worse.
i'm sure its in the bible not to judge or throw stones. Let's leave that to the court system.

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=595341.msg7631581#msg7631581 date=1296355565]Especially for a 40 year old woman. Indeed,  the older the wine, the better.[/quote]

y me:
wow!! money is good. 40 years old and she still look's breath taking, i like that.

meknowthink it's photoshop. lol

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7635324#msg7635324 date=1296417949]It wasn't the professors. It was interacting with gay people and realizing that a lot of them are good folk. One of the gay dudes who I went to college with, he wasn't even effeminate. Liked playing basketball, pretty decent at it. Liked the sorts of things most normal, red-blooded American males like. . . with one exception  

I don't get your comment about "would never trust." Why are they less trustworthy than straight people, in your opinion?[/quote]yup. you just need to interact with them to know that they are regular human beings like us. lol
why should they be criminalized for their sexual orientation.

sefago is fstranger. . . in the closet. i'm waiting for him to come out.

hmm so nairaland has issues with some other nigerian websites. 
I guess it's all in the spirit of competition

Katsumoto:
Besides, more gay guys means more women for the rest of us.  

yea lol whatever u say.

tensor777:
You should not be as my upbringing was actually quite conservative really. I just believe passionately in the sanctity of marriage and the family circle to be honest.

can't you be conservative without being homophobic?

Katsumoto:
No, not the same thing. My point is that a man can still be excited by girl on girl action but be against lesbianism.

Key difference: Man seeing flesh and sexual act.

ok but don't you see an irony in it?
hating lesbians and gays. but targeting gays especially for hate crime rather than lesbians because you are turned on by the lesbians. lol
isn't that perverted.

tensor777:
Nope they won't as the machismo culture in the black community America would crush such incipient faggott thoughts in the bud.
Wheteher this culture applies in white upper middle class America is less easy to say?

hmm. . . so your argument is that gays are more likely to come from single mother homes. that is a research question that will remain an assumption until proven. but my opinion is that it is a ridiculous assertion. lol

anyways, I'm not sure if I mentioned this in a previous post but this "machismo" culture in black community that you mention is actually significant in the American LGBT debate. Not in understanding the numbers but the forms of homosexuality.
My understanding is that black gays are probably the most marginalized in society due to the whole hypermasculinity that exist among them and therefore, black gays are most likely to be without support or education that cause them to be engaged in questionable habits which in turn lead to such things as high STD and HIV rates etc. than white gays.
ex. black gays are probably more likely to be in the "closet" or be involved in dangerous habits due to lack of education, support and acceptance in mainstream society. This is actually hurting the society not helping it.

From a personal perspective, my gay friends are upper middle class white and asian and the stereotype of the perverted gay doesn't apply to them at all!! They are far from being perverted and the adjectives I can use to describe them are effeminate or girly. Nothing wild or anything like that.

tensor777:
Anything could trigger it. Boys being boys they are unlikely to want to play the victim card with you if they can actually remember such abuse.
Sometimes these painful experiences can be buried deep in the subconcious . That is why I mentioned probing investigations to be carried out by trained psychotherapists.
Again it does not even have to be triggered by sex abuse. Sometimes it could even be triggered by the permenant absence of the father and the subequent natural desire of the boy to bond with a substitute father. Maybe at that young age the boy now confuses that with sexual attraction which is not the case.
There are several explanations but none have to do with genes or biology.

lol. ok. you are developing your own theories here.
by this reasoning, majority of black males in the US must be gay since 80% have absentee fathers.

SEFAGO:
Who told you homos are similar to craddle-robbers and despoiler? You have drawn another parallel predicated only on your own subjective opinions.

I even thought he was making a homophobic joke at first then realized he actually really believed that gays grow up to r[size=1pt].[/size]ape boys!!  

Point is, men get turned on by just looking at a woman. It doesn't require much effort to arouse a man.

lol. she is just pointing out the irony in it.
ex. an islamist who believe women should be veiled but go to visit love-peddlers at night.

ex. an 8yr old boy having a crush on his male teacher or on a male friend. or on a male celebrity. or an 8 yr old girl having a crush on a female etc. this is not impossible.

In fact, while in school as a young child. I know classmates who exhibited those behaviors but I thought nothing of it back then. and this was in Nigeria

tensor777:
Well that is interesting. He has always been attracted to men since he was young. I wonder what triggered that or did it just happen??
So no, interesting as your story is it does not begin to explain why he had these perverted thoughts at such an early age?

lol very simple.
ex. i'm straight. I had my first crush from a very young age and it was on a BOY. didn't even know the concept of sexual orientation at this time. and up until now, I am only attracted to males
the opposite will be the case for a gay. although they can remain in the closet (especially after puberty when they are able to conceptualize what's going on) and choose not to disclose their attraction to same sex due to fear.

tensor777:
Agree if you like but answer the post
"Well you may have faggott friends youngsters no doubt at university or college. These guys would have no issues finding partners in such an environment.
I am more interseted though in what turned these young men into faggotts or is that a taboo topic."

I already answered your question.
it is called "coming out" and it's not a taboo topic at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Coming_Out_Day

This was my response:
[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7634720#msg7634720 date=1296411945]shouldn't you be asking what made them "come out of the closet"?
many of them hide their sexual orientation for yrs due to fear.

many gay men are married to women for the same reason. and have secret gay partners outside
poor women.

btw, I have married gay and lesbian professors too (gay marriage is legal in many American states). I've met their partners sometimes. so it's not like I only know "youngster" gays[/quote]

eldee:
Maybe I'm just being too harsh . . . but let me put it like this, your posts so far on this thread are not exactly what I'll call intelligent debating.
Now if I debate with you, I'll be forced to express this opinion of you in my words, and it's so not cool.
It's not personal.

lol. I agree.
Imagine him claiming that all gays are perverts and rapists. 
and then accusing another person of being sentimental

to me, the gay ppl I know are far from being perverted.Then again, I don't hang out with perverted ppl whether gay or straight.

tensor777:
Well you may have faggott friends youngsters no doubt at university or college. These guys would have no issues finding partners in such an environment.
I am more interseted though in what turned these young men into faggotts or is that a taboo topic.

shouldn't you be asking what made them "come out of the closet"?
many of them hide their sexual orientation for yrs due to fear.

many gay men are married to women for the same reason. and have secret gay partners outside
poor women.

btw, I have married gay and lesbian professors too (gay marriage is legal in many American states). I've met their partners sometimes.

SEFAGO:
I noticed that I am more comfortable amongst lesbians than gay men myself, its more instinctive. Infact the reason why we have 21 pages is that people cannot draw a line between instinct and rational thought. Its a very difficult concept to grasp.
Again, for a second degree  , greet all the babes there for me ooo. _{Or not}

Wanna probably get a second ivy league degree

I agree.
I feel more awkward around lesbians and i'm comfortable more around gay gays. the ones I know are just like girls. lol

tensor777:
I am dead serious Jennifer. Or maybe you think or imagine that all faggotts get their kicks from cruising gay bars. Most of these guys won't be caught dead in those places.
Think again Jennifer. It is in the home where most of these perversions are carried out.

oh wow. lol
I don't  "imagine" what gay people do. I have gay friends so I actually know what they do rather than "Imagining" that they are raping boys about. You know like they say "ignorace breeds contempt (fear, prejudice etc)"

A redneck white who has never met a black person in his life tend to also have base ideas about blacks and to him, his ideas will seem justified. lol

Sagamite:
Because it is less understandable as a man myself and more disgusting somehow on the disgust totem pole. Seeing a man trying to behave like a women and being over affection is disgusting and odd. Women at least are known to be and expected to be affectionate.

When I see lesbians together I do feel disgust.

I also feel disgusted by a lot of people. Mr Cork for example is one of the most disgusting and perverted characters i've come across on nairaland. But I wouldn't call for his death if i were in power or anything like that. lol
If he did something that went against the rules of NL I might report him to the moderator. that's understandable.

Even you, Sagamite, disgust me at times.  

I think generally, some humans are sadistic in nature and always target a population that are less powerful than themselves. Or pupulation they feel threatened by. I hate homophobics just as much as you hate gays. To me, the line should be drawn where we are actually attacking each other's rights to freedom and life.

tensor777:
Well you can be logical and say that beings which act in accordance with biological instinct- namely animals and birds- do not have faggotts.
So in that wise one should look at one feature that distinguishes man from beast- namely the capacity for consciousness and independent thought.
When these thought patterns become perverted or corrupted - for whatever reason- you could have in your hands a person capable of being a faggott or pervert.

what do you have to say to this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Sagamite:
Let me put my hand on my chest before I answer you.

[Does so]

{Pauses}

Yep!

so how come gay men get the brunt of of the prejudice and hate?
is it because you somehow feel threatened?
ie you can always rape the lesbian etc. YES many lesbians get raped by homophobic men. This is an actual CRIME and that's the irony of homophobia.

tensor777:
They may well be violating and molesting boys as a mattter of fact. These things are usually kept secret you know especially if the abuser is in a familial or authority position over the child
I would have thought that very likely as it would be very risky for them to hit on an adult male. Chances are they would get their head kicked in or worse.
The bigger question is why in the world should society grant respectability to such perverts.

are you joking or you are actually speaking seriously?
plz clarify.

Do you have proof for this. The studies on genetic disposition itself is technically inconclusive, but its more likely than not that gays attraction to others is genetic. I am a bit ambivalent though to be honest. I dont think its possible to actually discover hereditary patterns for homos. I would prefer logic to be used instead, and experiential thought as opposed to using significant time and effort- Its not that easy to choose what you get attracted to.

@ Sefago,
same here.
It is no news that gay men for example tend to be effeminate. this is a marker for "gayness" and it has led to a lot of stigma.
There are many effeminate men who are not gay and vice versa. but will you say for example that being an "effeminate" male is a choice?

reminds me of the topic on Mr. Segun Gele. The man is not even gay. He got married early this year but because of his effeminate nature, there were so many hate words and ridicule targeted against him in that thread. Won't this guy be beaten to death in the street if he accidentally walked on the wrong streets? Talkless of if he happened to be gay or "openly gay" since ppl on the thread called him a closet gay.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-579786.0.html

I've read in a scientific paper that effeminacy in males is as a result of hormone levels in the mother during pregnancy. ie less testosterone than usual etc.

tensor777:
All these things you are mentioning have absolutely nothing to do with the topic of perversion.

should we jail or kill MrCork because he is perverted?

tensor777:
Well jennifer you are going down another way.I  Just have  to mention that faggottry is a lifestyle choice not something that is immutable like skin pigmentation, eye colour or height or gender.
So it makes no sense to juxtapose awarding political rights to everyone regardless of their immutable background to rights for faggotts paedohilles and necrophiles.
In simple language NOBODY was born a faggott or a pervert. That comes about by having twisted and perverted thought patterns probably brought about by systematic abuse during the crucial formative childhood and teen years.
The human rights of faggotts would not even be an issue if they were just to restrict their abhorrent activities to their own closet.

That's not my problem if people are born gay or not.
Even blacks were proven to be scientifically subhuman in the past and who could have argued against "science"?
Sometimes, you only have to use your common sense (the idea of Human rights stems from an older idea of "natural law"  to know that humans deserve human rights as long as they are not violating the lawful rights of others.
As long as the homosexuals are not preying on little boys/girls (pedophilia) or violating property rights (necrophilia) etc then they should be allowed just as much freedom to live as you or I.
do you agree with that and if not, why?

<3''''>>, <<""<3

That is not even the issue here. It is the insiduous Western-inspired pro-faggott lobby trying to force their agenda down the throats of Ugandans who are noted for their conservative Christian views.
What right have these evil perverts got to force their repellent views into the public arena?

well, Tensor, obviously you have not been following the Ugandan GLBT debate. If you have, you will recall that in late 2009, there was a bill proposed to sentence gay people to jail or even death.
So in essence, the gay activism is not about forcing agenda down people's throat. It's about fighting for their human rights!!!

actually think it's ironic that you are condemning GLBT activism in Africa while you are enjoying rights as an ethnic minority in a western country. Rights that activists like MLK and millions of other unrecognized minorities have fought and died to secure through history.

besides,  why are you always assuming only your own opinion to be valid?
You can't tell anybody to "keep out of a debate" because it won't be a debate at all if it was one sided. I'm referring to this comment of urs

Better keep out of this debate queensmith as you don't really have any idea of what it is about.

ogugua88:
I strongly dislike toasting. I throw verbal insults because it's the only way most of them understand my "NO". I find some methods of toasting disrespectful anyway, so why should I respect them back? To most of them, I'm just another female object walking by

ogugua88:
Because I've been left with no choice. Some toasters are very persistent and even get physical. I'm only trying to defend myself. I've given a lot of them too many chances, trust me lol. If you're respectful to me, I'm respectful to you. Do me I do you. No be wetin Paul & Peter talk?

exactly. respect is reciprocal