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his own personal money or tax payer's money? why?  
shouldn't that be the work of philanthropist/charity organizations? why the state?

[color=deeppink]I plan on attending college in Dallas because I want to make lots of Nigerian friends.
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I don't understand. why would you base your college decision on wanting to make "lots of nigerian friends".
shouldn't you be looking for schools with nice programs, tuition package etc ?

alex101:
My brother, I will add "against all odds" to that. Inspite of all the gridlock geared towards us Ndigbo, we do the unthinkable in a country where nothing works. Igbo business men/women do their best for their kith and kin. Imagine the job this will create in the east, if only we have leaders who have brains. Many of these leaders have joined their partners in Abuja in looting. Thanks to the Enugu Governor and I hope others will follow suit.

oh come on. when will you guys get rid of your "victim mentality"
igbos are definitely the most entrepreneurial in Nigeria. what gridlock are you talking about?

this is great. I hope the other states take this up. especially Lagos and Abuja and even others

I would hate for innoson to become a monopoly though. hope the state doesn't pamper the company too much. It should be protected from foreign markets for the time being definitely but competition should be fostered internally.

bermuda1:
The thread is being derailed by a lot of infantile arguments that are premised on ignorance.  If we Nigerians removed petty emotions and looked at issues objectively the sky would surely be our limit

let me just illustrate 2 points why the western countries will continue to do much better than African countries until we change our act


1. Riches are not in resources but in the value added to resources.

Nigeria's main export is crude oil and we export about 2.5m barrels a day. This sells today for $85 a barrell which is about £54

From a barrel of Bonny ligh crude after refining you can get a 73 ltrs of Petrol, 40 litles of diesel amongst others.  In the UK the current avg price of petrol and diesel is £1.25 so the selling price on a barrel for both is £141.25 of which £82.49 is TAX

In the course of a year assuming all remain equal and the Nigeria govt receives all the proceeds for oil. Nigeria receives £49bn a year from crude oil and the UK government receives £75bn from the same oil that nigeria produces. So the western govt make even more money than us from the crude oil we produce.

exactly what i'm thinking.
the west are always saying naija makes a lot of money from oil but in reality, I don't think that is true. we're selling our resources for really cheap (esp if you factor in exchange rates) and importing expensive products/loans.

the question is why? I feel that we are somehow trapped. ex. if you (bermuda1) became president of Nigeria tomorrow, would you be able to change the system?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=599690.msg7702503#msg7702503 date=1297318930]Globalization is just another form of Western Cultural Imperialism. Point blank.
We as Africans have fallen on hard times and we have forsaken our traditional values.
There needs to be a transformation of the psyche for Africans.[/quote]I agree. globalization could be beneficial though. but with "free trade" or neo-liberalism it sadly isn't.
I think what needs to occur is for African leaders to make some revolutionary moves.

We might call Mugabe names and what not. but hey his farm distribution idea is now working and things are starting to pick up.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11764004

not saying I support Mugabe because I don't. but sometimes, there are some obvious things  (like actually giving zim land back to zim people) that actually make sense for african govts to do.

our oil resources for example. I always feel that western countries (and now China) are paying chicken change for our oil and natural resources due to the currency exchange rates which is totally unequal. western countries should be paying the full worth of the oil they are buying from us.
consider if currency exchange rates were equal for example, things would be totally different for Nigeria. but how can we make sense of why exchange rates are the way they are? and the implication this has on balance of trade. ie us exporting our raw materials for chicken change and importing finished goods at exorbitant prices.

well, control of the tools of trade is at least part of it.

deniyor:
I want the OP. No one else

i'm going to tell ur gf

the gold bag definitely doesn't fit and throws everything off.
a gray (shade of her ring) or even black would have fitted nicely.

it's interested to read all the comments on here though.
one man's meat is another man's . . .

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7696536#msg7696536 date=1297249532]A bike, as in bicycle, to go riding for fitness or sightseeing.  Not a motorbike, as in get hit by an suv and lose your legs or an arm.   [/quote]rotflmao 

well, biking is fun. except when you're biking uphill then it's exercise.

what about my husband? is he hotter than olumide?
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mutter:
There are some women that men get quickly attracted to. It has nothing to do with colour.
It may also not be a compliment that men make such comments. They may just see you as being cheap.
Actually you should be fine with it, that people do not compliment you so often. Are you a dress on a clothing rack for sale.
You do not know how terrible it is when men keep trying to get under your skirts. It is so frustrating and painful. Everywhere you go, school, job, etc. All these men want is to lay you. There where times when I was younger I really wished myself to be really ugly. At a very young age men were already making advances.  m
I just wanted people to see me for what I am and not my body or my looks.
Be happy with what God gave you

the grass is always greener on the. . .

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7682696#msg7682696 date=1297079755]A Desirable US city

Okay.  So I think about this every so often, but not seriously enough.  But the last couple of years, I've been thinking about it every month!  And the last couple of months, I've been thinking about it EVERY day!!

So, what is it?  

"It" is Relocating.  I've lived in this SE US town for a looonng time, and I like it most of the time, so, 50/50 chance I won't move, but I tell ya I'm close to giving it a 75% chance.  So the criteria is a city with similar weather, not much different soioculturally - any progressive southern city with a significant black population and some international flair meets that criteria.  No cold places! The only cold place I would consider is if by chance I got into the post-graduate school of my choice in the NE.

Dunno how it's going to go.  I previously did this research a couple of years ago and narrowed it down to two SE cities and one NE city, plus a Western city, but that was just a buffer.

If you have a good suggestion, let's hear it.  If it does happen, it won't be for at least 3-6 months.[/quote]alexandria, virginia is a very nice place to live. high income small progressive city with substantial black population.
lots of arts and culture too. easy access to DC and Maryland for a getaway.
there are lots of hidden gems around the US. but most ppl only want to hear about the big name cities.

SapeleGuy:
A little education is a dangerous thing. We have seen one so called sufferhead journalist 'blowing benson' and talking about popular support, corruption, nepotism and avarice. If only this journalist was alive to see how his military liberators kleptomaniacs took corruption, nepotism and avarice to unparalleled heights. I wonder what punishment he would have deemed appropriate.

What are we arguing about here? These soldiers created the mess we have today.  Those innocents were slaughterred for nothing, Patriots were replaced by 'animals in human skin' whose only competence was their incompetence, a total disgrace to the noble virtues of the military.

The video about Ironsi plays a thousand words. The phrase that sprung to mind was 'rabbit & headlights'. The man looked like he was having a nervous breakdown. Soldiers should remain in the barracks.

lol the situational irony struck me too.

that's true.

manny4life:
As for fsratnger1, what was wrong with that one? I hope they banned him already.

I'm really glad people are starting to take notice.

tensor777:
Well some of them are naive as they don't really know what they are getting themselves into.
But I would not class them as gold-diggers. They are simply good time girls.

ok. so what's your definition of a gold-digger?
I personally find the term offensive and don't think women who prefer successful/ wealthy men are necessarily gold diggers. so that's one point I agree with you on.

chic2pimp:
He should have thought of that in the first place before he layed his filthy hands on his Yokozuna looking Wife.

hahaha true.

^ yea babalawo is also another popular folktale Kidjo used in her music

Yoruba folklore of a man who was told not to use his hand to eat for a while and he disobeyed his tummy bulged

I thought it was a tortoise 

OAM4J:
Even when the facts of the story is staring at you,you are still holding on to your conjectures. Well in case you dont know, he was killed by his exploited lover/partner.

BTW, I dont believe you are not gay, only a video of you doing it properly or a weekend with me will convice me.

darn u're fast. i modified my post immediately after I posted it.
re-read that sentence.

No, you got me TOTALLY wrong. Part of what I wrote there if you read it well, partly support your claim that majority can be wrong, cos right or wrong, fair and unfair are mostly determined base on the interests and beliefs of majority, and I gave an example of Sharia to mostly Islamic people. Then I asked the question "Who then determines what is wrong or right?" It was in that light I think it makes sense if those who determine wrong and rights are intelligent people who look at issues objectively out merits rather than out sentiments or popularity.

Hope you understand my point.

well, I apologize if I misinterpreted your post then.
To answer your question, I don't agree with sharia at all. I already mentioned how it is set up so that women have harsher punishments than men in the first place. talkless of christians living in those societies. I myself am guilty of wondering why christians living up north don't leave the place.lol but I definitely will not support any killings or oppression.
I can only condemn laws or systems put in place to oppress a group but I'm not there and can't do anything about it. I also mentioned the point about passive vs active citizenry. that's one way minority groups can fight for their rights. today we look to ghandi or MLK as examples of civil rights leaders that mobilize people to fight for themselves.
I just feel saddened by all the homophobic slurs on here. you may not agree with homosexuality but why wish them death etc?

for the "intelligent people" argument,
values is a different matter. there is no objectivity to it and there can never be. you are looking at things in terms of black and white which is not the right way to look at things. ex. even the most illiterate or most racist farmer also needs his rights protected (i'm definitely not equating illiteracy with racism. pls don't misinterpret).Even my arguments on here may seem a bit exaggerated but it is to balance it against your own views and especially sagamite's which i think is really extreme.

I understand that laws are sometimes influenced by trends already occurring in society.
If I were a policy maker for example, I would work on how to build tolerance in the society first. because as far as i'm concerned, open homosexuality is here to stay. we might as well adapt to it before too many regrets in the future.
i'm sure you don't agree with that. lol but I do understand where you are coming from better now.

I don't know what dialect she's speaking but it sounded yoruba to me. a very weird way to speak yoruba as a matter of fact. lol

listen to Iwoya by Kidjo with dave matthews. part english part yoruba (weird yoruba). but it's a good song.

Alcofrybas:
You're welcome Jenifa_. I detest bashing behind the safety of a Nick in the Internet.
I just wonder why do they keep moving my thread to different sections. I someday won't be able to find it.

Well I must go to sleep. It's very late in here (or too early in the morning).

Talk to you later.

Bye

yea see you around

Angelique Kidjo's Agolo is mostly yoruba.
yeah you have to listen to the song really hard to understand it. I agree.

what helped me is that I already knew the chorus. it's the song to a yoruba folktale.

ori ori o olajumoke n'lo
head head olajumoke is leaving.

the head is the monster that borrows body parts and attires to visit the market and enticed a young girl to follow him. eventually he returned the body parts and jumoke tries to escape from him. but he had some creature/servant/bell that he sings anytime jumoke tries to run away. etc

I love you already Alcofrybas 

something ought to be done about that guy

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7670404#msg7670404 date=1296891106]Within the context of the original argument on this thread, I'll prefer to limit myself to condemning murder, I'm not invested in the argument about gay or no gay for now.

I'm more interested in methods and tactics. It's easy to argue about morality (subjective and objective) till we get blue in the face, all based on our beliefs about right or wrong. The difficult job IMO comes when we need to formulate coherent public policies that will work for both sides on a social level.

I'm interested in how we can do that.

I do not support oppression and harassment BTW.[/quote]condemning murder is also subjective and about morality.
i'm glad you do not support oppression and harassment.

OAM4J:
OK since you wanna continue with this your Nazi-Jew thingy.

How does this story affect/correlate to homosexuality? Are you afraid that the heterosexuals will gather all you gays together and kill you, same way Hitler killed the Jews?

Dont worry, that is not our intension, the plan is to get all homos to leave Africa, so that they will not start 'oppressing' us under the guise of gay rights. Simple!

well, the Ugandan government did propose a bill to jail and kill gays. that was what david kato was fighting against
your last statement makes the similarity even stronger. because jews were rounded up and  deported to secluded ghettos at first and later to concentration camps.

i'm not gay by the way. but I believe in equality. I don't think i deserve more rights than gays just by virtue of my sexual orientation.

OAM4J:
Am glad you starting to get it. Finally.

Long and short of it is that, We (the majority of Africans) will NEVER accept homosexuality as a decent way of life, NEVER, gay rights or not, tell that to all your folks.

I think you misinterpret my post. I mean that I understand your way of thinking. ex. I got these points from your comment:
1. you assume yourself to be a genius
2. you think only geniuses should have a right to vote. hence you are superior (i.e make better decisions)
3. basically, all men are not created equal/ some are inherently superior to others

your argument to me then stem not from a belief in majority rule but from your ideas of superiority.

let me ask you two questions: do you agree with these ideas below and why or why not?
  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen

not that it doesn't say "majority men." it says "ALL men"
and the same declaration has been used to fight for suffrage and rights for women, blacks and other minority or vulnerable population in the US
It was the basis for the French revolution as well.

so it's not about accepting homosexuality as a decent way of life. or accepting morons as your equal (in terms of skill etc) or even accepting islam or hinduism as a decent religion. or accepting albinos or jews as decent human beings.or accepting women as having equal level of intelligence.
it's more about accepting them as human beings with the same alienable rights all people have in common.

OAM4J:
I said quit this your Nazi-Jew thingy. Many sane human condemned the whole thing then and now. I still maintain it is unrelated to the act of homosexuality.

most germans did not. Hitler was very popular in his country. he rose to power mainly because of public support!! remember also that germany lost the world war and were looking for scapegoats. minority population are always targets for stuff like that.
even the US was "neutral" for a while and many who condemned it didn't do anything until the worst had already happened.

OAM4J

sagamite' signature:I believe in Geniocracy. Morons should not have a right to vote!

I some some sense in sagamite signature about 'Geniocracy - Rule of the Genius' that is, if we have a well tested parameter to measure intelligence, then we should allow only the intelligent people to vote and take decisions. (of course it will be easier said than done.)

what an insight
you know, now i'm starting to understand the way you,sagamite and tensor think. lol

deniyor:
I am gay and looking for a husband.

OP clearly said woman
better luck next time. besides, why not create your own ad

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7670113#msg7670113 date=1296885204]Disclaimer: I'm not arguing for or against any side in the gay debate, except to condemn murder.[/quote]you only condemn murder.
jail terms, harassment, excessive discrimination, systematic oppression etc are ok by you?

^ lol. i've just started reporting to mods/ ignoring that one.