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Chizzled06:
Not exactly. Humans and monkeys evolved from the same common ancestor. Understand the theory first.

And yours? You believe mankind is 6000 years old? Really?

Na don't push the question to me.

What was the common ancestor?

Why is it that Centuries have passed and we have not seen any evolution even by a small margin?

How is it that after men and monkeys all evolved from a common ancestor, humans happened to have different language consciousness from the monkeys and also how various primitive humans had different language factors?

Chizzled06:
And what is it that you believe?

I think I know where we can begin. You think the bible is all the unedited words of a supreme being, don't you?

Let's start with the creation story. You think that's how humans came into existence?

I am guessing from your own theory humans came from monkeys.

Chizzled06:
Let me lay it out for you;

Your bible, the Qur'an, the Jewish Torah and all other holy books are the same; Words of men, explaining their (limited) understanding of the world at the time they were written.

All the 4000 religions in the world, including yours are all the same; human inventions, born of fear and ignorance, attributing things that mankind could not explain to the supernatural.

In the 500+ years since humanity took the bold step to start looking for rational explanations to 'natural phenomena', we've made more advancements than any other period in human history.

If your God is the God of heaven and earth, then he is a very very small god. Our solar system is smaller than a tiny dot when placed in a map of the observable universe.

Learn a little. Free your mind from the shackles of indoctrination and religious propaganda.

Let me also lay it out for you, I talk science and facts and not assumptions like you just did.

Why don't you bring up facts to refute the argument instead of giving us your own opinions.

BTW, why don't you help your friend explain how primitive men knew about the gravitational pull of the Orion and its friend.

chuna1985:
Astronomy n Astrology ain't same

Hmph! In order for me not to beat round the bush.

So you are trying to say that Pseudoscience was used to discover the gravitational pull of the stars?

If yes prove it.

chuna1985:
Self acclaimed smart non-ignorant nigga, astronomy n astrology ain't same

Now I know, I have been talking to an unlearned person.

"Astronomy is a natural science which is the study of celestial objects (such as stars, galaxies, planets, moons, asteroids, comets and nebulae), the physics, chemistry, and evolution of such objects, and phenomena that originate outside the atmosphere of Earth, including supernovae..."

Thanks anyway for acknowledgding that I am smart.

chuna1985:
Normal Christian self deception.

You are the one that is deceiving yourself because you are not been reasonable.

chuna1985:
Do ubknow what astrology is

Dude my lifetime dream when I was younger was to be an astronomer also followed by being an archeologist. I love solving mysteries.

So before you try to feel smart with yourself, make sure you make concrete claims cause I am not ignorant.

chuna1985:
Who approximated it


Pls don't display foolishnessness again, so u fink I live on nairaland U fink I will be here every second of the day replying ur messages...Lol.

Since you know why don't you tell us. I have my articles here and ready.

chuna1985:
Lmao, who needs to pick up the scriptures n tear it apart, lol. Is there any need to tear apart a book where donkeys talk to people n sharks swallow people n vomit dem 3 days later, that's same with Jack the giants killer movie. Lol.


Try telling ur parents that God spoke to u through ur neighbours dog, n find ur self in yaba left.

Lol! is it not the same as you saying that primitive men had the technology to see the milky way. With sand and sticks and metal.

chuna1985:
So when was d scripture written

Are you back from your long research.

I thought you were smart and knew everything. You are supposed to be teaching me here.

Anyways since science can't give a definite answer, they aproximated it would have been btw these timeline. 2100-1800 B.C.

Anas09:
Thank you @JeromeJnr.

Biblical prophecies and these guys kicking against the pricks (to their own hurt) are the reason I believe that am in the right direction. Christianity is True.
I was hoping that the light weight Meneseh and Chuna will pick up the scriptures and tear them up, bring out the lies and inaccuracies in them, and make me change my mind about what I believe, but instead, they once again displayed their foolishness, and make me hold firmly to my beliefs.
And the other guy Chizzled06 if you don't ve what to say just shut it. You must not appear whenever a thread is opened.

Haha! I gave Chuna an assignment and he has not returned ever since.

ifeness:
You must feel lonely out there lol . At least when you die,there is a huge possibility you will be migrating to the earth crust knowing how unpredictable your bi polar god is. He could send there because you forgot to give him enough praise. Good luck!

Lol! You are back again to your abuses.

That always happens when your ideologies are faulted and can't explain.

You know I imagine a group of cave men sitting down together in a circle and telling themselves lets create air with our mind so we can breathe. So they go into meditation mode for like 5 hours without breathing then finally there is a large gust of wind, wide enough to fill the whole earth.
And all of a sudden, man starts to breathe for the first time.

Hmm, what an amazing and smart theory.

BTW, if fire and air never existed, how did men come up with a concept of those elements? Hmmm!

Better log out of this thread.

ifeness:
The compute/ipad or whatever you are passing this message across with wasn't created by a god but the power of thoughts of humans like you.

The cars you drive,electric bulb, houses,roads,cloths were all thoughts before physically being turned into matter. You seem severely deluded.

So some of the technologies that you use today were they not created using fire and even sometimes air and precious metals.

So when and how did the mind create the resources used in creating the devices you mentioned?

Delusion+Delusion=More Delusion.

ifeness:
Nigerian mentality

Lool!

I am sure you've seen how absurd your claims were. You can't even explain yourself.

Don't be deluded bro! come to the light.

ifeness:
You are what you think. Thoughts are powerful. These are proven theories successful people will tell you,even I will tell you. When Oyedepo started his ministry, he imagined having millions of deluded people donating to his PLC weekly to fund is lavish lifestyle. Look at him today flying in private jets without doing much work. Bill gate will tell you its all about thinking and growing rich. You think it's easy to ask people to donate money in the name of jesus? You have a lot to learn about life Mr Hell fire. You think the blood of jesus(ritual) can save you? lol

Wow! your own theory is the first I have heard? How old are you?

So have you ever created fire and air with your mind? I would love to see it.

And before primitive men knew they could use their mind to create air, how did they breathe?

Chai! I don laff tire. You don't even know how to use science to back up your claims. If you want I can help you out.

chuna1985:
From the use of maps n compass for navigation to the building of huge structures like pyramids in Egypt, to scientific gold minning to use of chemicals to mummify dead people n preserve them for thousands of years, All these happening thousands of years before Christ was born....Do the math.......or go n re read Egypt civilization.

But that scripture was written long before King Solomon's time. And skeptic scientists say that mining of Gold to the extent at which Solomon had was impossible at that time.

And also, that scripture was written long before the Egyptians made the pyramids. Long before Moses time. Before the book of Genesis was written.

So we are back to square one again, How did primitive men know about the gravitational pull of those stars?

ifeness:
This is why religion is bad for you. It clouds your thinking capacity. Trust me you have the mind of a 2 year old kid. Poor you,religion has slowed down you ability to reason. Don't you know what your mind is for? Imaginations!!

Let me get down to your level. You see,when someone tells you about horrible places like Hell fire and you are asked to put it in drawing,you will draw hell fire the way your mind imagined it. Another kid will draw it in a different way due to how they imagined it. Now talk about life in general,you tend to design your life based on what you know and what you imagine. That way you shape your future.

I'm sure when someone say Jesus,you imagine a white man and when they say Mary you imagine a white lady.......mind of a slave.

Lol! dude is on meth. And a fellow deluded fellow is liking your comment.

Are you not the one with a clouded thinking capacity that said you created fire and air with your mind? Who is more reasonable, to believe that a higher being created the universe or to believe your clouded deluded mind created it?

ifeness:
who created water? who created the air you breath,fire volcanic mountains Mind created matter and realities. Everyone creates their own realities just as you created hell fire with yours. That's why some people will not agree with you because they are not as fearful as you or rather,they haven't had their minds corrupted with virus(religion)like you.

We are the creators or in a religious term(since that's who you understand things better) we are the gods.

Lol! So you created air and fire with your mind?

I think you've been watching too much cartoons.

ifeness:
His- story. That is his(racist white man's story). They gave you jesus because of oil,that's it! Only the wise knows that. You think they give a Bleep about jesus like you do?

My-story is simple. There is no god unless you got one to show me. I will look before I leap. Even when you tell me the road is clear,I will still look left and right before crossing.

It's obvious you are not looking before you leap. Seeing your heart is closed to truths.

You must be very wise to believe that no God or designer created laws of nature.

chuna1985:
Science is as old as man.

Vague.

Enlighten me on what tools primitive men who didn't discover electricity was able to use to understand gravitational pull of the stars.

ifeness:
Not forgetting the English bi sexual King James re wrote the bible. You don't agree with the catholic but they invented Jesus, Christmas and Easter ceremonies stolen from the pagan tradition. This guy shouldn't be taken serious.

You don't know your history.

Your hatred for God has seriously blinded you. Why don't you debate intellectually and without sentiments.

chuna1985:
The people who returned to Israel are not Israelites of the bible. Arabs, Japanese, Germans all claimed jews n people from countless places in d world resettled in Israel. To the extent that Arabic is an official language in isreal.


It's not rocket science to predict that man will travel from one place to another......Man has been doing dat since recorded history.

Every water body will lose n gain water continuously till d end of time.

Keep wallowing in invented prophesies.

Okay since you feel you are smart.

Why don't you rid me of ignorance and enlighten me of how an ancient writing talked about the gravitational pull of the Orion and Pleiades.

chuna1985:
And who are ur own scientists

Trick question.

chuna1985:
That's the stupidity of Christianity personified. Bible prophesies happen only in the bible, but never in real life. Wake up n stop deceiving ur self.

Lol! are you and your fellows not a fulfillment of bible prophecies?

The Nation of Israel and how they later came back as a nation not too long ago, was it not prophesied in the bible?

Travelling from a place to and fro around the world was predicted by an Angel in the book of Daniel. Was it not?

The declaration that Jordan will lose it water did it not happen recently?

Hard Heartedness will lead to your own destruction.

menesheh:
"Here is this verse in the bible that said something that is a little bit similar to this scientific fact, yea yea it must be same. This bronze age men have no tools but they were able to figure out such science"

No.
Science deals with data, critically examine such data



Stop picking and choosing and face reality. That obsolete book will confuse you the more. What of other verse that said silly opposite of what science discovered. Are you going to throw away that one, no.


Jeromejnr

But yet one of you said that the Babylonians were very advanced in technology and able to determine that the earth crust had liquid lava.

Bunch of bias deluded fellows.

chuna1985:
The Catholics wrote the bible.

Even your scientists don't agree.

Chizzled06:
So a guy was bored, created a bad guy (devil) to oppress his other creatures (humans) so he can watch them all burn eternally later. Cool story.

It's clear why >90% of leading scientists don't believe in a supreme being. Not to talk of taking the bible seriously.

The Christian bible is hatchet job of plagiarism from Jewish scripture combined with the embarrassing discrepancies of the new testament.

Humans invented the gods. I can see you're already scouring the internet looking for answers, but you're looking in the wrong places.

Search for "History of human religion"
Then "history of Christianity"
Then "compilation of the bible"

Educate yourself will real information, not conspiracy theories of apologetics trying to keep clueless ancient literature relevant.

You just wasted your time writing nothing. Leaving out the scripture I gave you and talking smack about God.

That is how they always behave when they have no explanation for anything. SMH.

Btw @ the bolded was a very useless assumption just to try to get your silly point across.

chuna1985:
Self inflicted dreamer. The bible said the earth is square n even the catholics killed Gallileo because of it. Keep fooooling ur self.

Self inflicted delusionist.

The catholics didn't write the bible and It has been clearly proven that the original word there meant boundary. But you guys just love your ignorance.

In scene of the Galileo tragedy there was a protestant movement who came out from the Catholic doctrines and declared that cathollics had gone into errors in their doctrines. So you mentioning Catholics does not mean anything.

FYI, I have many Catholic enemies here.

Read this excerpt:

"The stage for this tragedy had been set a few years earlier during what is commonly referred to as the Protestant reformation. During the reformation, the Catholic Church's authority had been called into question. Priests and laypeople had judged Rome as having forsaken true Christian beliefs. The reformation shook the Church at its very foundation of authority, causing it to lose much of its world power and influence. Eventually, at the council of Trent, the Catholic Church formed an index of literature which was forbidden to Catholics throughout the world. Included in this censor were any books that challenged traditional interpretations of the scripture.

Ironically, the traditional beliefs that Galileo opposed ultimately belonged to Aristotle, not to biblical exegesis. Pagan philosophy had become interwoven with traditional Catholic teachings during the time of Augustine. Therefore, the Church's dogmatic retention of tradition was the major seat of controversy, not the Bible..."

frank317:
Now u are suddenly opened to research findings? But when it comes to Jesus you are closed to research findings. Or do u have the manuscript of the research fundings that led u to Jesus?

Explain better what you mean.

chuna1985:
Isiah chapter 11 vs 12 --- And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Be enlightened:

Perhaps no phrase in Scripture has been so controversial as the phrase, “the four corners of the earth.” The word translated “corners,” as in the phrase above, is the Hebrew word, KANAPH. Kanaph is translated in a variety of ways. However, it generally means extremity.

It is translated “borders” in Numbers 15:38. In Ezekiel 7:2 it is translated “four corners” and again in Isaiah 11:12 “four corners.” Job 37:3 and 38:13 as “ends.”

The Greek equivalent in Revelation 7:1 is gonia. The Greek meaning is perhaps more closely related to our modern divisions known as quadrants. Gonia literally means angles, or divisions. It is customary to divide a map into quadrants as shown by the four directions.

Some have tried to ridicule the Bible to say that it teaches that the earth is square. The Scripture makes it quite clear that the earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22).

here are many ways in which God the Holy Spirit could have said corner. Any of the following Hebrew words could have been used:

Pinoh is used in reference to the cornerstone.

Paioh means “a geometric corner”

Ziovyoh means “right angle” or “corner”

Krnouth refers to a projecting corner.

Paamouth - If the Lord wanted to convey the idea of a square, four-cornered earth, the Hebrew word paamouth could have been used. Paamouth means square.

Instead, the Holy Spirit selected the word kanaph, conveying the idea of extremity.

Chizzled06:
For years, biblical apologists have struggled to vaguely relate bible verses to modern discoveries. Looking for extra meaning in simple remarks to forward their propaganda. But this is truly laughable.

You are lost. Your level of delusion is so high that only you can free yourself.

Explore the world. Learn about stuff. You can start with understanding the history of human religion, then to the history of Christianity and compilation of the bible.

Contrary to what they've feed you, knowledge will not kill you.

Yea they looked for extra meanings in things like this:

- The Pleiades and Orion star clusters described (Job 38:31). The Pleiades star cluster is gravitationally bound, while the Orion star cluster is loose and disintegrating because the gravity of the cluster is not enough to bind the group together. 4,000 years ago God asked Job, "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, or loose the belt of Orion?" Yet, it is only recently that we realized that the Pleiades is gravitationally bound, but Orion's stars are flying apart.

Be free from your self deceit. The earlier the better for you.

You want more? Why don't you fault these first instead of giving us your suppositions.

If you cannot believe this scripture then your delusion is darker than the blackness of darkness.

Mind you, Job is the oldest book of the bible.

Science confirms the Bible (Colossians 2:3). These insights place the Bible far above every manmade theory and all other so-called inspired books. In contrast, the Koran states that the sun sets in a muddy pond (Surah 18:86). The Hadith contains many myths. The Book of Mormon declares that Native Americans descended from Jews - which has been disproven by DNA research. The Eastern writings also contradict true science.

Animals do not have a conscience (Psalm 32:9). A parrot can be taught to swear and blaspheme, yet never feel conviction. Many animals steal, but they do not experience guilt. If man evolved from animals, where did our conscience come from? The Bible explains that man alone was created as a moral being in God's image.