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OLAADEGBU:
Since when have Roman Catholics been using Scriptures as the basis for their doctrines?

Also ask them for the scripture that said Peter was the first Pope.

OLAADEGBU:
Read up about it in the link below only if you have the heart to take in the bitter truth.

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/magus.html

Wow! I read it, I just knew that now.

Amazing! Still going to do more research.

OLAADEGBU:
You also "think". Have you read the script or watched the videoclip?

Well, I have only read the script. I will listen to the video clip and give my comment later.

Princewell2012:
you are on point sir.

Now i referred my question to jesica (op)

let her answer my question.

She was somewhere twisting scriptures and saying that animals have spirits. So don't even bother for an explanation.

bxcode:
That's not who God is, it's religion that has succeeded in painting God like that. It's a pity and I don't for once blame anyone who dosent believe in God after hearing all these stuffs about rules and regulation one has to keep or else God strikes you, atheists are bolder than Christians in this aspect because they make more sense than most Christians who dosent even know the true nature of God. If ihadn't known this truth about God, you tell me that i need to worship someone who will strike me anytime i don't live up to his standard, i wouldn't want to do anything with that thing no matter what i will gain from him. But that's not who God is truly, he is not an angry God or a wicked or mean God as 99.99% of most religious doctrines teaches today. How I wish I can have a platform to let share with people on the true nature of God. God is a good God.
Op, there could be thousand and one thing that could be preventing your already answered prayers from manifesting from the spiritual realm to the physical realm. I don't know where to start from but you we can talk if you feel like cost all on me.... just let me know if your mind is free to that effect.

So on point bro!

Reminds me of one of my favorite books by Gloria Copeland "Blessed beyond Measure" where she taught on the Goodness of God.

The problem is most Christians don't know how to make what is available for them in the spiritual realm manifest in the physical. People don't know how faith works.

ebamma:
there are many people in need who don't drink with the little money the have bro,


Helping those in need is an obligation as a supposed man of God, not a choice

Yes! But have you been close to some of this men of God? Most people just sit at home and just assume things bro.

Pastors can't help everybody. I know how someone like Bishop Oyedepo spends much on the poor.

Jesus Himself didn't even help everybody.

BTW, remember what Jesus said to those that will work for Him:

"And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions;"

Notice He promised persecutions because of the blessings this people will receive.

So it's nothing new what is happening to this men of God now.

I mean with all the sacrifices and fastings and discomfort this people experience in order to be a blessing, will it be a light thing for them not to have something that could give them a little comfort? This men are humans for crying out loud.

macof:
Did jesus have any gifts that he didn't give out? The man was a poor fella
Your pastors however fly jets and own universities yet their gullible congregation keeps making them richer with absolutely no return

Yes He did. The woman that poured costly ointment on him and a hypocrite that talked of giving to the poor what was Jesus reply to that?

The expensive robe He wore (that Jewish rabbis say was worn only by rich men at that time, that even soldiers casted lots for it) that was given to Him why didn't he reject it and instead sell it and give the money to the poor?

Own universities you say? You don't happen to have any leak of sense. Sorry!

Universities like Oral Roberts and even Covenant University for instance that I went to that God used to change my life to where I am today is what you are saying is a gullible idea?

With the satanic public schools we have now in U.S where did many christian students go if not those pastor owned schools that you said was a gullible idea.

Have you ever had to pastor up to a million people and also have meetings almost every week globally? If you've never experienced that, why don't you keep quiet.

I have noticed It's only poor folks that complain about Pastors and private Jets. Go make your own money and help the poor you are complaining about.

CAPTIVATOR:
Offside !

Once again : show me where God give animals the permission to eat each other ?





Loooool , after you confess the underlined, now tell me the meanin of beast ?



The YOU is Noah NOT ANIMALLLSSSS



Accounting for the blood of humans , see the color . NOT FOR the BLOOD OF ANIMALS. Show me where God demand an acounting bcoz an animal kill other animals ?

You dodged my questions. So I don't know what you are saying here. You were the one that said Adam could kill animals to eat in the garden so why not prove to us.

Secondly, a beast means a large four footed creature (Encarta). Not a carnivore.

Thirdly, Your questions have been rightly answered. Go back and study. And also show us where animals killed each other in the garden? when they were busy eating herbs.

Yea! and also tell us when animals changed their minds and started attacking humans?

ebamma:
did you read what you just wrote?,


So only lazy people are poor?,


And surrendering your life to Christ is a ticket to the riches of this world?,


A person who claims to be a man of God, will be ashamed of living large off the tithes and offerings of his congregation,


You can't be using offerings people give out of the kindness of their hearts to invest in real estate and buy private jets and still claim to be following the teachings of Jesus Christ,

Yes, I read what I just wrote.

The fact is there are many lazy Christians who sit their ass all day drinking beer and doing all sorts of junks with the small money they have.

It's those kind of people you want the pastor to be freely giving money to everytime.

macof:
Isn't a good pastor supposed to be a father Christmas

Was Jesus a father christmas?

author=CAPTIVATOR post=38173489

Noah and his families are animals ryt ? Show me where God gave animals permission to eat each other ?

To show that man never knew how to eat meat before Noah's time,in Gen 9:4. God teaches his family how to eat animal meat as he instructs them not to eat the blood that comes with it. If they ate meat before, would they have needed that instruction.

Now read this:
"Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

4“But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."

take note of that bolded.

Read this article also on the issue: Take note of bolded.

"In Genesis 9 Noah receives a covenant from the Lord. Part of the covenant removed the prior restrictions against eating meat, allowing Noah and his family to kill animals for food. However, the allowance came with this proviso: “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4)." http://www.gotquestions.org/eating-meat-with-blood.html

And the translators are wrong ? Meaning of beast : " a large animal , especially a dangerous four footed one "

Don't use modern day English to define the word beast in the Hebrew language.

This is the meaning of the word beast used in that scripture:

beast
chay (khah'-ee)
age, alive, appetite, beast, company, congregation, life(-time), live(-ly), living (creature, thing), maintenance, + merry, multitude, + (be) old, quick, raw, running, springing, troop.

BTW,not all translations use the word "wild beast". So yes a translator can be wrong in presenting the message as it is. There are many proofs online do a research.


Now read this to show shedding of blood was never allowed among beasts in the garden.

Genesis 9: But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being"

God said He will demand an account of all blood shed including from animals. Well, lets rethink. Why will he demand an account from animals if to shed blood in the garden was His original purpose?

I think I have made much of my point.

CAPTIVATOR:
And God went on to say : let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds , domestic animals and moving animal and WILD beast of the earth according to its kind " Genesis 1:24 , which kind of animals are called wild beast , carnivorous or herbivorous ? Why is there teeth specially tailored to tear meat ?

Adam named a particular animal LION, its hebrew meaning refers to violence . Why would he give such a name if he hadnt studied its violent attitude ? He also name some birds like hawk in relation to their ability to catch prey .

Gen 1:30 said i give you plants as food ! Not a decree that only plant you must eat .

No 1. God says what He meant and meant what He says. Don't twist the scripture. He said all should eat herbs it was later after the fall He gave the permission to Noah and his family to eat meat.

No 2. You mention wild beast. Why don't you do a research yourself on google and see that wild beasts was never mentioned in the original Hebrew text.

That was added by the translator to point to the animals we know of today.

Let me help you with one link.
http://biblehub.com/lexicon/genesis/1-24.htm

Jessicha:
Yes it is , u know the earth also dies . rubbish

Think before you speak.

Why do we have earthquakes and the rest?

Was it supposed to be like that if man didn't sin.

Chai! God help her.

Jessicha:
If they partook of the sin , that make them sinners . You mean animals are sinners too ?

Is the earth also a sinner?

Jessicha:
by someone , really ? Pls show me if destroyed BY SOMEONE in that verse .



" NATURALLY born to be caught and destroyed" 2pet 2:12

Just read my post above.

The whole point is:

Adam was given authority over the earth. All things were subject to him as he was the god of the world.

But when he fell, all things fell with him. As the devil used that authority to wreak all kinds of havoc on the earth.

Sicnesses, diseases all kinds of natural disasters were brought forth.

God in deut 28 called sickness a curse. If animals could be sick in the garden, why did God create them with a curse.

If the animals were supposed to be dying, why didn't God allow them eat each other in the garden? Why wasn't Adam and Eve eating meat only herbs?

Its simple logic.

Jessicha:
As pointed out by captvator , They are to die and anything can cause their death/destruction , they are naturally born to be destoyed not live forever . ( 2 pet 2:12 )

If destroyed by someone. As that scripture says. As Adam and Eve also could be destroyed.

The question you asked was why do they die. Implying natural causes.

CAPTIVATOR:
The bible never said animals have no disease in the garden of Eden , but we are told that unlike man whom is created to live forever , animals are " born Naturally to be caught and destroyed " 2 pet 2:12 nature create them to be caught and destroyed . Their desruction might come in any form which include sickness that leads to death . Or been caught by the WILD beasts of the field ( carnivoures animals )

Caught by humans not diseases.

BTW, animals before the fall were herbivorous not one was carnivorous. Gen 1:30.

So that should tell you something.

Jessicha:
I like your humility , but yet I know Jesus died for humans not animals . ( john 3:16 ) therefore the idea of redeeming animals through ressurection doesnt work with Jesus sacrifice . I know there is what the bible call RE - CREATION , new animals might be created though

Yes new animals will be created that will be void of diseases.

That's redemption. As they join in the glorious liberty of the Sons.

You can't tell me that animals God created in the garden that He saw and called good could also die of diseases.

CAPTIVATOR:
The bible never said animals have no disease in the garden of Eden , but we are told that unlike man whom is created to live forever , animals are " born Naturally to be caught and destroyed " 2 pet 2:12 nature create them to be caught and destroyed . Their desruction might come in any form which include sickness that leads to death . Or been caught by the WILD beasts of the field ( carnivoures animals )

Assumptions!

Venom snake

Don't worry I would soon join you in sharing my experiences. But for now, I have to deal with my D.O.A 5.

cold:
Can you please answer the question? Or you can be honest and say you don't know.

Well, before Adam sinned if a mosquito happened to bite him he wouldn't have been sick with malaria.

Why?

He was filled with the glory of God. All one needs to do is look at Jesus (The second Adam) if a mosquito had bitten Jesus, would he have been sick?

It's a supernatural life. The divine life. And Adam fell from it.

cold:
Why do mosquito bites cause malaria? Is it because Adam sinned too?

You not a beleiver in the supernatural. So you no go understand.

CAPTIVATOR:
@ Jessicha

In fact let me help you more with your explanation.

Gen 4: Cain brings an offering up to the Lord from the fruit of the ground and God rejects it because He had caused the ground.

Abel brings a sheep and God respects it.

Now, according to the topic: why do animals die if they didn't eat the fruit.

Firstly, we know diseases didn't occur until after man's sin. Now animals today die naturally because of diseases. Well, did they eat of the fruit? Why are they partaking in diseases?

Secondly, Animals yes could be killed by man as one was even killed by God to provide clothing.

The same way Adam could also strangle Eve or stab her with a knife and then she would die. Or bleed to death.

But He couldn't do that because even though that was possible he had not yet known the knowledge of evil.

Or before the fall, would have man's flesh be impenetrable from a knife attack?

Point: Animals can also die of diseases naturally because of Man's sin. Or you want to tell me they could have died of diseases there in the garden.

If you do so, bring forth your strong reasons.

misreal:
and who says pastors don't help the poor? just because they don't do it at your house doesn't mean they don't do it. if you truly know God, you will know that it is not in your place to judge. no offence intended.

I tire for some people o.

And again, with many lazy Christians in church who refuse to work or surrender their life to the Lord in order for God's blessings to come. People just expect the Pastor to become Father Christmas overnight to them.

CAPTIVATOR:
Then show me where God curse them after man fell ?




Thats a result of what happen during the flood when the springs of the vast watery deep burst open ( Gen 7:11 , 2pet 3:5,6) not that God cursed the work of his own hands .



Greenhouse gases released by man caused this ! Rather than take care of the earth as commanded by God , man is keen on destroying it and its natural resources. So none of this involve God or any curse .

Yea! satan in the book of job used greenhouse gases to cause the whirlwind. I get you.

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Flawed personal opinion, the scripture said they were BLESSED not cursed ( Gen 1: 22)

Yes! before man fell.

By Product Of Eating The Fruit , Right ? But None Of The Animals - sea, field or air is said to eat the fruit !

The same way the earth didnt eat of the fruit. But yet is in bondage to earthquakes and atmospheric disasters.

CAPTIVATOR:
Why do birds and fishes die since they are not cursed ?



She ate the fruit and the consequence is death. Gen 2:17

First question: Didn't you get? God was speaking to the serpent, a field creature. It's curse was compared to other field creature like him. That doesn't mean the Air and sea creatures were not cursed.

Secondly: Consequence of death of the spirit not flesh. From eating the fruit. (Death:Separation from the life and glory of God).

Physical death was just a byproduct. As was the ground yielding thorns.

CAPTIVATOR:
And you are told that the curse is death , right? Infact , Gen 3:14 only mentions the beast of the field .

This begs the question: what about the birds of the sky and the fishes of the sea , why do they also die ?

It mentions beast of the field because the serpent was a beast of the field and not of the air or the sea.

Simple!.

In verse 19, God's curse to Adam was he would return to dust. Well, why did Eve also return to dust?

The answer is in itself.

And what thing is that? If you would care to share.

Aizenosa:
BOOK OF PROVERBS SAYS DELIBRATING WITH A FOOL MAKES YOU ONE SO I GUESS THIS IS WHERE I PUT OFF THIS CHAT WITH YOU

Indeed you have to. For to speak with wisdom was your fear.

Repent and be free! Fear the Lord and wisdom shall be yours.

For the fear of the Lord is it's beginning.

Thy Word is truth O Lord. And it has set me free.

dazzlingd:
to seek truth and knowledge cannot kill, only lack of it can make one perish..

The fact is just that many Christians are too ignorant. They don't even know what they worship, practice and preach. no wonder they can't stand an argument with aethist....
and wen they ve been totally cornered by questions they can't answer, their best escape route is to threaten with eternal damnation or otherwise claim nothing is impossible.

perhaps you are expecting everyone to be converted the way Paul was converted?

people will ask questions, it is their rights, and only the truth can set one free....

But the Lord never reasoned logic and science with persons. Neither did the apostles or their disciples.

For what did the Lord say "what I hear my Father say I say, what I see Him do I do, on My own I can do nothing".