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lepasharon:
Look at how perfectly round the planets are, just like meatballs.

You think it's a coincidence?

Well, your spaghetti god is not knowledgeable then.

The planets arent perfectly round, they are spheres.

lepasharon:
And who told you he hasn't made contributions to mankind? Why not open your heart?

It is open o. Show me.

lepasharon:
Well, I do believe in HIm. Why don't you?

Because I have not seen your Spaghetti monster making contributions to mankind.

UnclePrincipal:
What is the "hard evidence"?

Hard evidence of what? You were the one that gave the definition.

And you brought a screenshot of another definition that went against your own.

UnclePrincipal:
How can a blind see?

A blind man can see sir when his sight is given.

UnclePrincipal:
I was assuming before now i know you're really dumb.

I no see anything o.

What are you showing there?

How does it negate my statement Mr . Man.

UnclePrincipal:
Bro. This is what make sense. When there is "lack of belief ". It simply means you refused to accept whatever is presented to you.

So u refuse to accept a thing against hard evidence?

lepasharon:
How do you know the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist?

That's an old argument starter. I have long passed that.

You should ask more in depth questions.

UnclePrincipal:
how can you have "belief" in something you don't accept at all?
Use your brain here.

Not accepting something and not believing in a thing are two different things.

Stop arguing incoherently. I will help you by not even using that against you.

UnclePrincipal:
Ok mr intelligent.

If Atheism is a lack of belief (IN AN OBJECT HERE WHICH IS THE TERM "GOD"wink, therefore it is also a belief that there is no God.

This is the rubbish I'm talking about.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no god nor does it answer any other question about what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

Read more mr dumb
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/

Lol..Atheists on Nairaland always changing their definitions.

It's good you want to sleep sha.

UnclePrincipal:
Ok mr intelligent.

If Atheism is a lack of belief (IN AN OBJECT HERE WHICH IS THE TERM "GOD"wink, therefore it is also a belief that there is no God.

This is the rubbish I'm talking about.

Well, Mr Genius.

When next you point out something to use in an argument, make sure you put the statements in context.

You should read from when the argument first started.

Notice also I started that line with an "if". Meaning I was referencing an earlier statement made by the defendant. It wasnt my statement.

What does it mean by Lack of belief in something?

Maybe this toddler example will help you:

"I do not have a belief in a spaghetti monster, therefore I have belief there is no Spaghetti monster".

If you still cant understand that, then I don't know what you were taught in school.

UnclePrincipal:
What you said might make sense to you but it's plain nonsense. Read it again yourself and critically analyze each line. Then ask yourself before quoting me if it makes any sense.

Your first sentence has already defeated your argument.

I hope you have enough intelligence to decode what I mean. We can go down this Rabbit hole all day long.

kingxsamz:
Let me ask you...
Do you believe that the spaghetti monster exists?

Chanting their famous dogmatic line again.

No I dont believe.

kingxsamz:
If they don't know, how can you, a mere simpleton even have a clue?
How can you conclude that there's a white man in the skies ready to send people who don't believe him to hell?

That's why my last sentence which you didnt copy was written.

kingxsamz:
Did any of them claim that it was God who revealed this dream to them?
Besides, when you're engrossed with the aim of achieving something or obsessed over something, you'll surely see these things in your dreams... How does that prove that these dreams are casued by an imaginary being?
Most of the scientists you quoted are even non-believers, why didn't God use those who believed in him to make these scientific breakthroughs?

So now you also believe in pseudoscience, interesting.

You are about to shoot yourself again. Dont talk too much o.

Dreams providing solutions to people from unintelligent and chaotic matter is another matter you will delve into.

kingxsamz:
Researching about God is like doing a research on Unicorns, it's no use as there is no proof of its existence.
And also, you can't deny something which hasn't been proved yet. So it not a fact.

How did you confidently come to the conclusion that there is no God and it hasn't been proven?

Have you interviewed every single human, tribe and race in the world to arrive at that?

Besides if there is a God, He has to be outside the universe init? We have only a scale on the observable universe; have we proven beyond the observable universe? Do you scientists even know what dark matter is that makes up most of the universe?

Well that's why the Bible speaks differently on how to approach these topics which I wont get into here.

hakeem4:
when they go for their scientific meetings or when they submit their papers for peer reviews, do they just go there to shout i have a dream
or they go with their experiment data ?

But the point is, where did they get the data from?

sexylassie2:
Have you read David Livingston journals and see the way he described Africans., he called Africans savages.

The black man greed didn't sell their fellow man but business did, they exchanged goods for cash. Unfortunately the goods were human. Slavery is as old as the earth.

If you want to colonise s nation, you change the religion, the language and the laws, isn't it what the Europeans did in Africa.

The missionaries in what ever form they came where looking out for their respective empires, they were just tools of colonisation.

Hmmm...so tell me sexylassie, what are your complaints against Christianity?

kingxsamz:
If you were intelligent, you would realize that atheism isn't a belief, rather it's a lack of belief.
I dropped a definition for you to read, but I forgot that religious folks don't read anything asides their bible.

You know what, let me educate small.

What is belief: a belief is confidence in something.

If you say Atheism is a lack of belief, therefore Christianity is also a lack of belief in something.

Now let's go to something called fuzzy logic.

If A and B are independent but opposing constants, that means when A is true therefore B is false.

If Atheism is a lack of belief (IN AN OBJECT HERE WHICH IS THE TERM "GOD", therefore it is also a belief that there is no God.

If Christianity is a belief in a God, therefore It is also a lack of belief that there is no God.

There is no such thing as non belief that exists on it's own. It has to have a structure on which to base your claim.

Well, maybe I have blown too much grammar for you and confused you further.

May God help your understanding.

kingxsamz:

See this one.
So scientists now gain knowledge through dreams?

Why have they not been able to receive solutions on how to cure the virus?
And you claim to have sense...

Well, if you had researched and knew how God worked in the Bible, you won't be asking that silly question.

You denying a fact doesnt mean a fact isnt true.

You can try to suppress a truth, but it's there.

But the problem with arguing with me is you guys always shoot yourselves in the foot. That's why sometimes I dont bother arguing.

But anyways, yes, even scientists who aren't Christian's have gotten solutions from dreams.

Alfred Russel Wallace

Dmitri Mendeleev

August kekule

Renee Descartes

(You know what, you can just google for others).

But I wonder how a singularity gave them the answers in their dreams? Hmmmm.

kingxsamz:
Dumb fvck

.

Bros but you dumb o.

What have you said and what have I said.

Do you understand English at all? Have you finished schooling?

I need to understand so I will know how hard I will hit you.

sexylassie2:
Not all culture in Nigeria were killing twins.

Anyway, Christianity stopped some stuff but also brought along its ills and problems.

I hope you know that christianity was a political tool for the europeans to conquer africa.

They didn't really care about us, what they care was converting the savages and part of their empire so that they can profit from us.

They lied to you babe with all that propaganda.

Christianity wasnt the tool, it was the black man's greed for power and wealth. The black man sold their fellow black men.

True missionaries came to Africa, but some who were not on that mission used that as a plot, a gateway to getting what they wanted.

It's the same as seen in the Bible. Among the the Weaths, there are always tares.

kingxsamz:
The likes that post got shows that most Nairalanders are dumb.
Atheism has no mission whatsoever. It is not a religious group. Atheism is just the lack of belief of any god.
Those scientists who he claimed are Christians don't use prayers or faith to work, rather they use scientific methods to tackle issues or solve problems.
If a scientist is a Christian, he cannot implement his beliefs in his works, as his beliefs are uselsss, therefore he has to use logic.

Being a Christian or believing in God will not solve problems, what solves problems is the use of logic and the brain, I'm sure @ jeromejnr doesn't have one.

Lol...well some of those Christian scientists will deny your claims.

Some got their breakthroughs through dreams after prayers.

And Lol..I have brain..too much brain sef.

hakeem4:
well there is nothing you can use against atheist cause we have no tenet or dogma

Well, if you know the meaning of dogma, I will argue Atheists have one.

For example, there are some things Atheists keep chanting over and over in their debates they all got from a book. I hear them all the time.

And yet they say they there is no dogma.

sexylassie2:
If we have to go back to the root and core value, isnt that root not african religion?

African traditional religion was where all our values came from.

Exactly.

Well, the religion is flawed.

Remember it was a tradition that started the killing of twins in the country.

Guess who stopped it, a Christian.

Organs:
We hear all these stories my chairman. I personally know A leading Pastors PA that just relocated to Dallas. He was in that role for 10 whole years. He has nothing to show for it. He told us stories of his salary and how much is deducted for tithe and pastors birthday and some other expenses. He has friends and colleagues that he is now supporting and some that wants to relocate as well. So, you can defend all you want, but i tell you this, if Oyedepo's convoy is passing and you don't get out of the road on time, i guarantee you will be flogged by security in his convoy, so what are you talking? Now, i, personally just sent N280K total, just TODAY, i repeat just today, to different folks to buy food at home before the lockdown. Pls what have you donated??

Lol..you donated money to your babe and family members. Or maybe your friends who will repay you?

hakeem4:
you just proved you are a dunce other dunce would deny

agnosticism or Gnosticism are positions of knowledge!!!!
atheism, deism & theism are position of belief!

the truth is no one wants to argue with someone who believes that a donkey can talk, or a man a far eastern Palestine died and came back after 3 days or the same man is still coming back to pick them up for rapture

Sigh!

Mehn there are really so many unintelligent fellows out here.

They never comprehend before they are quick to reply.

You now ended it with the talking donkey cliche.

Which I can use against you based on what you believe. But I have done that on many here in the past. I don't have time to go over that again.

InvertedHammer:
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Did God create water?
Did God create night?
Whose daughters did Cain and Abel marry? Which tribe are the wives from?

Read Genesis over and over again. If you think some parts of the Bible were excised, why were they taken out? By who? For what?
I believe in God for some other reasons. The only time my faith shakes is when I read the Bible.
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Those questions have been answered before you were born.

You can do research online.

Or just Google, "Cross Examined' to help you.

Thank you.

sexylassie2:
Yes it did.

I have one question

Why do you like demoralising African way but you didnt demoralise the Japanese culture even though they both worship idols

We have our gods they also have theirs in shinto religion

The answer to that is quite complex.

But culture largely determines an individual's character and the individuals character defines society.

If your society is messed up, you need to go down to its root and core values.

Japan isnt nearly perfect, they still have riots e.t.c

But some societies are better than others.

Ours is more messed up. And I am an African so I will focus on mine.

Not all our ways are messed up. We still have some good core values as a society (although its dwindling).

If I were Japanese, then I will know the things I will talk about.

InvertedHammer:
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Aren't you confused? You blame atheism. Now you blame culture.

Buddhist and Islamic nations are progressing. Even Israel (mostly Judaism) is progressing. You need to find out why an overtly religious nation like Nigeria (with churches on every street) is crawling. If avarice, greed and selfishness are the bane of a pretentious nation like Nigeria, how then do you make a case for non-adherents to follow?

The only god Nigerians worship is MONEY. Churches and mosques are social centers and have nothing to do with spirituality in Nigeria.

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You have already enforced all I have said Sir.

Shelumiel:
Baba, you be super liar. You dey talk without facts Abeg pack well.

No mind that Guy.

They dont even know the meaning of Atheism.

Atheism isnt a lack of belief, it is a belief that there is no God period.

Agnostic would have been the right one for the definition he used.

That's why I dont bother debating most of these guys because they don't even understand their own foundation.

sexylassie2:
I hope you know Christianity brought greed and lot of crimes to our society.

Not true babe. Not true.