 Christianity Etc › Re: The Missing Third Person Of The Trinity- Inconsequential? by Jessicha(f): 6:22pm On May 22, 2016 |
Tinydick:
Are u talking abt d exact word Trinity or its equivalent? ??
If d case is former,,, nop!!!! It isn't in d Bible.
NOTE DAT Father, son and spirit re referred to as Trinity lubbish post |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Jessicha(f): 6:18pm On May 22, 2016 |
Richirich713:
Sorry u confused here, u still thinking God is like humans, he has to be a unitarian being(1 person) just like humans, he can't be be multi-personal being, he can't be a trinity, he must be just like us humans.
Seriously if u dont know what is meant by "multi-personal being" u shouldn't be here. see Post, then explain what u meant by multi personal being ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Missing Third Person Of The Trinity- Inconsequential? by Jessicha(f): 5:58pm On May 22, 2016 |
Tinydick:
Hope I don answer ur question
Jessicha nah ! you only prove how irrational your idea is , so because the Father, son and holyspirit are mentioned together = trinity ? lolllzzz, wat will someone like you call 1 Tim 5:21 where God, Jesus and The angelS ARE MENTIONED TOGETHER , Trillionity ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:51pm On May 22, 2016 |
goodnews201668:
I tire for solite mix ups, all in the name of Trinity as in ehn, there was this post of Jozzy4 he couldnt reply , he said Jesus is still a man in heaven . and joz asked : did he mean Jesus still have intestines, lung, pancreas , blood, liver, tongue , e.t c just imagine! that means Jesus still sleeps, have weaknesses, still get tired , have an anus and still visit the toilet . irrationality at its worst. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:50pm On May 22, 2016 |
goodnews201668:
I tire for solite mix ups, all in the name of Trinity as in ehn, there was this post of Jozzy4 he couldnt reply , he said Jesus is still a man in heaven . and joz asked : did he mean Jesus still have intestines, lung, pancreas , blood, liver, tongue , e.t c just imagine! that means Jesua still sleeps, have weaknesses, still get tired , have an anus and still visit the toilet . irrationality at its worst. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:35pm On May 22, 2016 |
dolphinheart:
JEHOVAH, JESUS AND THE ALMIGHTY GOD
WHO IS JEHOVAH ?
David tells us he is the God of isreal.
1 chr 17 :24: May your name endure and be exalted forever, so that people may say, ‘Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, is God to Israel,’ and may the house of your servant David be firmly established before you.
* Jehovah is the God of the isrealites
In Psalms David also said he is the maker of the earth.
Ps 124:8O : ur help is in the name of Jehovah, The Maker of heaven and earth.”
He also said:
Ps 97:9: For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods.
* Jehovah is the most high, pls notice these when we look at the most high and jesus
Isaiah said:
Isa 45:18 : For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
* there are no two jehovahs, no two persons bearing the same name Jehovah, only one person bears that name!
Paul further said:
Ro 3:29: Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of people of the nations? Yes, also of people of the nations.
Jehovah himself said he does not change in mal 3:6
and he said in Exodus 6:3( and this time I used the kjv)
King James Version
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
* the name of the ALMIGHTY GOD IS JEHOVAH
Michai said:
1Ki 22:19: Mi·caiʹah then said: “Therefore, hear the word of Jehovah: I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the army of the heavens standing by him, to his right and to his left.
examine this verse carefully
Ex 3:15Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation.
* for those who propose that Jesus is Jehovah ask yourself this questions
1. did Jesus ever said he is Jehovah?
2. did the disciples ever call jesus jehovah?
3. When the angel came to Mary, was the name Jehovah part of the names he said Jesus will bear?
4. Jehovah said, this is my name forever, this is how I'm to be remembered, have your not thus changed what God wanted by calling him jesus ?
ex 6:6-8
“Therefore, say to the Israelites: ‘I am Jehovah, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians and rescue you from their slavery, and I will reclaim you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.7And I will take you in as my people, and I will be your God, and you will certainly know that I am Jehovah your God who is bringing you out from under the burdens of Egypt.8And I will bring you into the land that I swore with an oath to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and I will give it to you as something to possess. I am Jehovah.’”
Ex 15:11Who among the gods is like you, O Jehovah? Who is like you, showing yourself mighty in holiness? The One to be feared with songs of praise, the One doing wonders.
The scriptures(below) indicated the Jehovah called himself the father of the isrealites and the isrealites called Jehovah their father.
jer 3:19, jer 31: 9, isa 63: 16, isa 64:8, Deut 32:6, 1 chr 29:10, mal 1: 6, mal 2:10.
There are thousands of scripture verses I could refer to but from the verses posted above, we have learned the following:
1. Jehovah is the almighty God, the name of the almighty God is Jehovah.
2. jehovah is the God of isreal
3. Jehovah is also the God of gentiles who accept him as their God.
4. Jehovah is the creature of the earth.
5. Jehovah is the most high God.
6. Jehovah is the father of the isrealites.
7. jehovah is the one who sits on the throne.
*pls note this facts about Jesus when comparing him to jesus
There are also Scriptural verses about Jehovah as the one sitted on the throne and residing in heaven, you can check it if you are interested.
Now that the scriptures had clarified some things about jehovah let us check what Jesus said about these things to know if Jesus is Jehovah or not.
1. DID JESUS EVER SAY GE IS ALMIGHTY GOD TO SIGNIFY THAT HE IS JEHOVAH?NO!
At no time did Jesus ever say that he is the almighty God, he had several times stated that he is the son of God, and his disciples repeated this truth.
[b]Kjv
Ps 45:7: Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
King James Version
Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Kjv
1 john 4:9,15-
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
15- Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
* note: god did not send himself , he sent his only begotten Son
King James Version
Joh 5:19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
King James Version
Joh 5:20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
* no one can show the almighty greater works
King James Version
Joh 5:26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath HE GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself;
King James Version
Mr 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
King James Version
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
King James Version
Ac 13:33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
*the almighty does not have a God that he calls " my God"[/b]
2 DID JESUS EVER STATE THAT HE IS THE GOD OF ISREAL OR OF GENTILES? NO!
[b]kjv
Joh 5:36: But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me .
*God sent Jesus, the father sent Jesus, the father is God and not Jesus
kjv
Ac 17:30,31 : And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness BY THAT MAN WHO HE HATH ORDAINED; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that HE HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD
* the person who raised and the person who was raised are not the same person, therefore the God mentioned in these verse and Jesus are not the same!
Ac 2:22: “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ was a man publicly shown to you by God through powerful works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.
*The person that did things and the person through whom things are done are not the same person[/b]
4. DID JESUS OR THE SCRIPTURES EVER CALL JESUS THE MOST HIGH, HIGHEST OR MOST HIGH GOD? NO!
Not only did the the scriptures not call jesus the most high god, it went further to tell us many times that jesus has a God, therefore he can't be the most high God !
[b]Joh 20:17.(quoted earlier)
2Co 1:3: Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,
* who is the father of tender mercies?
Ex 34:6Jehovah was passing before him and declaring: “Jehovah, Jehovah, a God merciful and compassionate, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love and truth,
Ps 86:5For you, O Jehovah, are good and ready to forgive; You abound in loyal love for all those who call on you.
Mic 7:18Who is a God like you, Pardoning error and passing over the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? He will not hold onto his anger forever, For he delights in loyal love.
RoM 15:6: so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Kjv
2Co 11:31: The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Kjv
Eph 1:3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Kjv
Eph 1:17: That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Kjv
1Pe 1:3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
kjv
Mr 5:7 quoted earlier)
kjv
Lu 1:32: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
*jesus is not the Lord God![/b]
JESUS AND THE MOST HIGH
Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
compare that verse with the apostles statement:
[b]King James Version
Mt 22:44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
acts 2: 32-34
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
* the LORD is jehovah(name deliberately removed to cause confusion),the other Lord is jesus , a different person from jehovah, sitting at the right hand of Jehovah, by jehovahs command!
acts 7:55,56 kjv
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus STANDING ON THE RIGHT HAND of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
King James Version
Heb 8:1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the MAJESTY in the heavens;
King James Version
Heb 1:3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH[/b]
*Jesus is not the most high
jesus is not the Majesty who he sat at his right hand.
5 DID JESUS CALL HIMSELF THE FATHER OF THE ISREALITES? NO!
[b]kjv
Joh 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
6 DID JESUS CALL HIMSELF THE ONLY TRUE GOD ? NO!
on the contrary he called the father the only true God, as Jesus is not the same person as the father, therefore Jesus is not the only true God.
kjv
Joh 17:1 to 3: These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
7.DID THE SCRIPTURES INDICATE THAT JESUS IS JEHOVAH? NO!
[b]Mic 5: 4
He will stand up and shepherd in the strength of Jehovah, In the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God. And they will dwell in security, For now his greatness will reach the ends of the earth.
8. WAS JESUS SENT BY GOD? yes, God did not send himself!
kjv
Joh 3:2,16,17, 32: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
9. IS JESUS THE ONE SITTING ON THE THRONE?NO!
kjv
Heb 8:1: Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Jehovah is the one who sits on the throne!
brocab and solite3 I've used the scriptures to show you that
1. Jesus is not the God of isreal, therefore Jesus is not Jehovah
2. Jesus is not the almighty God, therefore he is not Jehovah
3. Jesus has a God, therefore he is not the almighty God.
4. Jesus is the son of God , therefore he is not the father, he is not the father of the isrealites , therefore he is not Jehovah.
5. Jesus and the scriptures acknowledge the father to be superior to him, therefore Jesus is not the almighty God and so Jesus is not Jehovah.
6. prophecies that the name Jehovah was mentioned indicated that he is not sending himself as Messiah but sending someone else, showing that the messenger, Jesus is not jehovah
7. Jesus at no point ever said he is God Almighty.
I'll end it with this scripture:
For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is uiu
plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
cc. jessicha, goodnews201668, jozzy4, barrister07. nice one bro, Jesus is not the God of isreal, Jehovah is. Jesus have a God , a bitter truth for solite3 to admit. the funniest part was when he said the Father and the Son are Jehovah. yet Jehovah said " myself" , how can two persons be addressed as MYSELF ? solite3 u really disgraced ur English teacher |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:31pm On May 22, 2016 |
[quote author=solite3 post=45864788][/quote]go arrange ur post so I can quote it !  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Missing Third Person Of The Trinity- Inconsequential? by Jessicha(f): 12:10pm On May 22, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Invented The Trinity? by Jessicha(f): 12:06pm On May 22, 2016 |
Richirich713:
The entity trinitarians call God comprises three persons, it's not three persons equal one person rather it's three Persons equal one Being.
lol, stop confusing yourself, a being = a person., one being = one person. Humans are unitarian beings(1 person), God is a multi-personal being(more than 1 person).
hahahaha, u said its one being before now its multi personal being. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 11:57am On May 22, 2016 |
solite3:
Now you are just coming and you are starting with a lie?
in a bid to defend your lies you make God a liar. So Jehovah God who says it with his own mouth does not mean what he says. heb 5:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie,....
so oo God does not mean what he says ehh. There is no instance like that oo.liar context is key , The context of Isaiah is not addressing the issue of whether Jehovah used someone else in creation or not. The context was a comparison between the true Creator and false Gods. BDB lexicon on page 94 gives one definition of the Hebrew BAD (alone) as that of “acting independently.” In this sense Jehovah needed no assistance from the false Gods in the context to create. But Christ’s activity in creation is never described as acting independently. Isaiah 63:3 and Ezekiel 36:36 are few instances take for example :
isaiah 63, how did isreal who has erred under punishment and need God's help now help God in his righteous Judgement. U re a disgusting liar God used men to execute the people of edom. ( 1 King 11:15,16) you need to ask for evidence before u conclude hastily. its silly Do you think he was talking about the physical building  in your despiration to cover up your lies u have become an emissary of satan lol, so which building ? spiritual building ? dont make me laff out loud |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:42pm On May 21, 2016 |
goodnews201668:
Barrister and dolphinheart might be waisting their time after all, they'll never see the truth. lol, they are replying for the benefit of sincere ones reading the thread . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:39pm On May 21, 2016 |
solite3:
Isaiah 42:12 English standard version
12. I made the earth and created man on it, it was my hands that stretched out heavens, and I commanded their host.
]Isaiah 45:12. Amplified Bible
12. I made the earth and created man upon it.
My hands stretched out the heavens
And I commanded all their host.
Isaiah 44:24. New world translation (NWT)
This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser and the former of you from the belly.
I, Jehovah, am doing everything, stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the earth. Who was with me?
This verse alone completely destroys Watchtowers theology because it obliterates any notion that Jehovah used a junior partner in the act of creation. The rhetorical question" who was with me?" is "No one". This is what sets Jehovah apart
Isaiah 45:12. NWT
"I myself [ Jehovah] [/b]have made the earth and have created even man upon it. I, my own hands have stretched out the heavens, and all the army I have commanded"
Again, Jehovah emphasizes "I myself" used " my own hands". Jehovah was the lone craftsman.
Isaiah 48:13, NWT "Moreover, [b]My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my own right hand extended out the heavens. I am calling to them, that they may keep standing together.
This verse not only indicates that Jehovah's " Own hand" created heaven and earth, but that Jehovah is sustaining his creation as well.
When one examines New Testament verse regarding Jesus, one can see that Jesus is also credited as creator and sustainer. For example
John 1:3 NWT " All things came into existence
[color=#770077]through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence"
Col 1:16-17 NWT " ....because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordship or government or authorities. All[ other] things and by means of him all [ other] things were made to exist.[/color]
Heb 1:2. NWT " God who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at these end of days spoken by means of a son whom he had appointed heir of all things, through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of [ his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power.
AS TRINITARIANS, WE DON' T DENY THAT THE FATHER MADE THE WORLD THROUGH THE SON. BUT WITH SCRIPTURE, WE AFFIRM THAT ONLY JEHOVAH CREATED.
THEREFORE, THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE BOTH JEHOVAH.
The Jw ought to give serious reflection as to what he called Jesus " THE EXACT REPRESENTATION OF [JEHOVAH'S] BEING.
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Dolphinsheart
Goodnews
Barrister
Jozzy
An any witness should respond to these post failure to do so will go a long way to show your bible twisting nature Isaiah 44:24 only acknowledged Jehovah as the Creator. this doesnt mean he didnt use an agent or master worker ( proverb 8:30) there are many instances in the scripture where Jehovah identified himself as doing something Alone . this doesnt mean there wasnt an agent through which its done. it only acknowledged him as the SOURCE or FROM WHOM ALL THINGS CAME INTO EXISTENCE. take for example : Isaiah 63:3 where Jehovah said he alone trample down the people of Edom, * this doesnt mean men of isreal are not used as agent , but that he is the SOURCE of that victory . secondly, Ezekiel 36:36 where Jehovah said people will have to know " I MYSELF Jehovah has built the things torn down " , does this mean Jehovah come down from heaven to build the desolate city of isreal ? NO * he used men as agent, but he is the source of that accomplishment. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:29pm On May 21, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:53pm On May 11, 2016 |
tempem:
Jessy, don't bother yourself anylonger, this tossen of a guy isn't honest with the Bible. as in , can u see her saying heaven is new EARTH , when did heaven and planet earth became synonyms |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 5:50pm On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Let me put this to final rest. Why I disagreed with ur sister Jessicha. She was wrong while quoting her Bible talking about new heaven and new earth saying some people will be in heaven and some will be in earth. This heaven and earth will pass away and will be replaced with a new heaven and new earth. The righteous will not be separated. Or ranked. They will All be together. @ bold, they will all be together at where ? Not some on new earth, some on heaven. I didn't want to argue. But let me give my final piece on this thread I hope you will take your time to read.
Many people have a misconception of what heaven is truly like. Revelation chapters 21-22 gives us a detailed picture of the new heavens and the new earth. After the events of the end times, the current heavens and earth will be done away with and replaced by the new heavens and new earth. The eternal dwelling place of believers will be the new earth. The new earth is the “heaven” on which we will spend eternity. It is the new earth where the New Jerusalem, the heavenly city, will be located. It is on the new earth that the pearly gates and streets of gold will be.
Heaven—the new earth— is a physical place where we will dwell with glorified physical bodies (1 Corinthians 15:35-58). The concept that heaven is “in the clouds” is unbiblical. The concept that we will be “spirits floating around in heaven” is also unbiblical. The heaven that believers will experience will be a new and perfect planet on which we will dwell. The new earth will be free from sin, evil, sickness, suffering, and death. It will likely be similar to our current earth, or perhaps even a re-creation of our current earth, but without the curse of sin.
Cc jessicha , tempem so new earth = heaven  [size=25] new heaven = what then ? [/size] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 11:13am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
This text wasn't talking about new heaven or earth therefore... It doesn't answer my questions.
Based on this text, Since u know God will have mercy upon who he will have mercy upon... Why all the stress arguing and negating. Knowing fully well its not about who best quotes the scripture.
What is your purpose if not confusion?
Take another twenty minutes to look for an inept and insufficient response that isn't about propagation of the gospel but proving yourself correct. truth is bitter, I see. my purpose of quoting that scripture is to let you know it doesnt depend upon the one wishing" Rom 9:16 e.g i wish to be in heaven or i WISH to be in the new earth . but this decision rests on God. if all uv gain today is that you now know the scripture talks about a new heaven and also a NEW EARTH, not just heaven. glory be to God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:56am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Me: Everyone goes to heaven.(I said everyone who lives Christlike. Before u misquote that too)
You: Not scriptural.
Me: What is scriptural?
You: New earth and new heaven.
Me: Who goes there?
You: refuse to answer.
Me: How do we separate who goes there?
You : refuse to answer
U are not here to teach me what you assume I don't know and improve my knowledge. U are only here to poke holes, God decides
" So , then, it depends , not upon the one wishing nor upon the one running , ,but upon God, ,who has mercy " Romans 9:16 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:41am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Okay u didn't bring it up. What did u use to negate the fact that we are all going to heaven, if we live the Christlike life? sister, the belive that everybody go to heaven is not SCRIPTURAL. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:39am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Me:We are all going to the house in ikoyi once daddy completes it
Jessica: No. Ur wrong. Some of us will live upstairs and some will live downstairs.
There will be a new earth and some wil go there meaning we aren't all going to heaven abi?
Who goes to heaven who stays in the new earth and why. If u can't answer me. Stop this. Its unnecessary. Stop poking holes.. It isn't our mission on earth. GBAM! @ bold, thats the point |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:32am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Its for you to tell me. You brought up new earth . Tell me who goes to these places and their qualifications i brought up new earth ? lolz, jessicha wrote 2 pet 3:13 ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:31am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
You are negating my postulation of going to heaven by saying there's also earth for some to go to. I know this is in the bible. . but how does that correct my statement?
Why are you motivated to negate people even when eventually we are pulling from the same bible and arriving at the same point. your statement is EVERYBODY go to heaven, how then can u reconcile that with the fact that there will be a new earth ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:28am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
The word negates tho... Smh. U seem so proud of urself. I'm hppy for you.
Ur scripture didn't negate my view o. Perception of heaven aside. The scripture still follows my postulation that we are all going to heaven if we declare Christ and live The Christlike life. I don't care where heaven literally is. I am talking about the expected end of the person who follows the Christ life. Simple. okay, 2 peter 3:13 makes it clear that there will be a new heaven and a NEW EARTH. if everybody go to heaven, tell me the purpose of the new earth ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:25am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Looooooooooooooool! So you're saying there are two places to go to? Majority of the righteous will inherit the earth... And the rest? And what qualifies the admission into either of the two? thats the problem wit people , am saying ? or the bible said ? 2pet 3:13 talks about a new heaven and a new earth . so its not me saying it but the scriptures, am happy u see it in ur bible. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: J C i G by Jessicha(f): 10:18am On May 11, 2016 |
solite3:
Man n woman are the same nature.man is not more human man than woman neither is woman more human than man. and the bible said the man is the HEAD of the woman, so also God is the HEAD of Christ. headship denotes authority ( 1 Cor 11:3) false preacher. Christ is God and Christ have a God too ( Eph 1:17) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 10:03am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
Matt 5:5 - blessed r the meek for they shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 37: 9-11 - for evil doers shall be cut off but they that wait upon the lord shall inherit the earth for yet a little while and the wicked shall not be yea thou shall diligently consider his place and it shall not be but the meek shall inherit the earth and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Relevance?
Do u take the bible literally or figuratively. Heaven is a place as described in these texts. I don't know what you are talking about. those verses establish that its not everyone that will go to heaven, majority of the righteous will INHERIT THE EARTH!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 9:56am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
I just refuse to argue ... Is this the meek attitude that inherits the earth, criticising others? criticize ? because I gave u scripture that negates ur view |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 9:29am On May 11, 2016 |
tossen:
The rest of the part of that sentence is just as important. That's part of ur problems... Tearing words apart to find flaws to argue upon. That is not Christianity. By the way... Nomatter how much all ur efforts are... You can never be worthy of heaven. Our righteousness is just like a filthy rag. Its Gods grace thru Christ that takes us to heaven and it is an arrogance towards God to think u can work to earn heaven. It is even a sin in itself thinking u may be holy enough. Godade it clear and he gave us Jesus. All we need do... I declare and accept him in our lives and also tell others. ewo! to explain scripture na wahala ehn , who ask you all this ?
just say I dont Know |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jessicha(f): 9:27pm On May 10, 2016 |
tossen:
Whether hell or hell fire. Everyone is going to heaven
as long as we declare christ is the son of God who died for our sins. Its a sin thus century old arguments and rejections of one another between christian. Its not even christian to separate from one another. Holding on to doctine like life itself is not christianity. You should hold on to the christ way of life and set aside the rules and indoctrinations that result in chaos. Nobody knows God more than God. But he makes known his will for us. Why dont we focus more on Gods will, and the purpose of christs coming, than on who said what in a bible written by imperfect man, complied by different man @bold , Matthew 5:5 , psalm 37: 9-11 , are they lies ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovahs Witnesses United Nations Association by Jessicha(f): 10:14pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
That's why I love Jehovahs witnesses, once they realise all this lies , twisting and fake propaganda from haters who cant do anything with their lifes excepting spying on an organization they claim they are not interested in. most of this haters eventually become atheists, agnostics or just NFA . the wise decision has been done. they cancel their NGO status. praise Jah |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovahs Witnesses United Nations Association by Jessicha(f): 10:06pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
To mislead their readers, many critics of Jehovah's Witnesses quote from the current version of the DPI's NGO brochure and falsely claim that those requirements are what the Watchtower Society originally signed up to in 1991. The requirements given by the brochure for the DPI's NGOs include the requirement that the NGO should support the UN. Critics quote this brochure as the “proof” that the Society secretly knew they were supporting the United Nations. They claim that this requirement was in place since before 1991, and has remained unchanged ever since. Is this claim true?
No. The critics are lying. They simply hope that you won't think too much about it, and that you won't delve a little deeper and discover the evidence that the NGO world has changed considerably since 1991. We do not have the brochure from 1991, but we do have a copy of the 1994 brochure, which is considerably different from the current version which the apostates quote. A new relationship In fact, the 1994 brochure even testifies to the very fact the requirements and expectations of the DPI's NGOs were changing. Page six of the 1994 document says this:
“A new relationship between the UN and NGOs is now being created. We have seen this new relationship begin to mature . NGOs are taking on important new responsibilities .” Indeed, the above statement proved accurate. For if we compare the current (2005) brochure to the 1994 brochure, we see major changes. For example, the 2005 brochure says the following:
“What are the Criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI? The NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the UN and have a clear mission statement that is consistent with those principles;” Apostates often use the above quote, and repeat it endlessly as “proof” of the Watchtower Society's support of the UN. Yet this appears in the 2005 brochure, do we know if it appears in the older brochures? We already stated that we have a copy of the 1994 brochure, so does that phrase appear there? No, not at all. On the contrary, in the 1994 brochure we find that the above statement has replaced the following original statement:
“Who is eligible for association with the DPI? Non-profit organizations which: share the ideals of the UN charter;”
Notice the difference. In 2005, NGOs must
support the principles of the UN Charter. In 1994, the NGOs must simply share the same ideals . Just what are those ideals?
“to maintain international peace and security; to suppress acts of aggression that threaten world peace; to encourage friendly relations among nations; to protect the fundamental freedoms of all peoples without discrimination based on race, sex, language, or religion; and to achieve international cooperation in solving economic, social, and cultural problems." Does the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses share those same ideals ? They most certainly do — and have done so for years before the UN formed! It is understandable why NGOs should share these same ideals, for the UN would not want to assist or help any organization which promotes contrary ideas. For example, the resolution which gave the DPI power to associate NGOs elaborates on this desire: “...the Secretary-General [should] ensure that the Office of Public Information [DPI], while reviewing the status of present organizations or considering new applications, excludes all those organizations whose aims or practices tend or contribute to the propagation of nazi ideology and racial and/or religious discrimination;” We now have a better idea of why the 1994 requirements for being an NGO should stipulate that any associated organization should share the same ideals as the UN charter. They must share the same ideals of religious and racial tolerance and should not in any way promote contrary, racist or discriminatory ideas. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovahs Witnesses United Nations Association by Jessicha(f): 9:01pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
Let's examine what Bethel is claiming in the First letter concerning the reason for becoming a DPI NGO, in two of the letters from Bethel claims it was:
“...for the sole purpose of getting access to the extensive library of the United Nations. This enabled a writer who received an identification card, to enter their library for research purposes and to obtain information that has been used in writing articles in our journals about the United Nations.”
“Our purpose ... was to have access to research material available on health, ecological, and social problems at the United Nations library facilities .”
Some claim the above statements are lies. They claim that absolutely anyone could have accessed the libraries and that there was absolutely no need to gain NGO status. Bethel acknowledged that their explanation is not believed by the critics. They said:
“Although critics may claim that access to the libraries could have been obtained without the need to register as an NGO, that is not what our research personnel were told at the time. They found it necessary to present an authorized pass [size=26] to gain access to those specific areas , which were off limits to the public.” [/size]
The critics often quote statements from the United Nations that the main library, the Dag Hammarskjold Library and it's depository libraries, were accessible to absolutely anyone prior to September 2001. You can read e-mails from the UN itself saying this exact thing.
However, if that is completely true we wonder why the 1994 NGO brochure stated that:
“For NGOs associated with DPI, the United Nations provides: ... use of the Dag Hammarskjold Library .”
If absolutely anyone could use the entire facilities, we wonder why the brochure advertises use of that library as a perk of being a DPI NGO. Of course, if we look carefully we can see that the Watchtower Society did not say they merely wanted access to the “main library”. Bethel said that it was “necessary to present an authorized pass to gain access to those specific areas ”. Yes, Bethel never claimed it needed a pass to access the Library itself, but to “specific areas” of that library and specific “library facilities”. A quick investigation reveals that there is far, far, more to the United Nations libraries than simply a main library full of books — and far, far, more than simply the Dag Hammarskjold building.
The library facilities of the United Nations, under the Department of Public Information, includes the following
conferences
film screenings
commemorations
concerts
the DPI NGO Resource Center
To access the full range of these facilities you need a DPI NGO pass. Prior to September 2001 you may have been able to simply walk into the
Dag Hammarskjold Library as the opposers correctly say — but it is entirely misleading to say all the “library facilities” were available to anyone, because they were clearly not. An NGO pass was required to access everything — otherwise why would the 1994 brochure advertise full access to that library as an NGO privilege? There is only one logical reason: because around 1991 the DPI was making further facilities available at the library, but only to those with an NGO pass. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Believe In God? What Is The Name Of Your God? by Jessicha(f): 7:50pm On Apr 27, 2016 |
solite3:
ol these posts are irrelevant to my question. I just ask u to show me where Jesus call his fada Jehovah nt where Jesus quote scripture BTW tank God u agreed that only one name is given for salvation not two. Who gave d name is not d mata but how many names n whose name. Pls its OK God's word is not by argument yes, only one name given AMONG MEN. so its silly of you to bring Jehovah into the bracket , is Jehovah a man ? |
