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goodnews201668:
Fine oo, we missed you.

DoctorAlien:
So Jesus is only a worker in Heaven?

The Great GOD of the whole Universe has been reduced to a worker?

malvisguy212:
John 1:15.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: FOR HE WAS BEFORE ME .

Does not this verse point to the pre-existence of christ ? This statement can be understood as we distinguish the two NATURE of christ. When viewed from the standpoint of His humanity He came after John the Baptist. Mary gave birth to Him six months after Elizabeth had given birth to John (Luke 1:26). As the ETERNAL Son of God He was before John the Baptist, eternally existing in the bosom of the Father (John 1:18).

Furthermore, in john 8:58 jesus say " before abraham was, I am" what does it imply ? Only the eternal God could make such a claim.
Indeed, Jesus could have said, "Before Adam
was, I am!" He even could have said, "Before
the universe was, I am!" In fact, in John chapter
17 He did make such a statement: "And now, O
Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the
world was...for thou lovedst me before the
foundation of the world" (John 17:5,24).

Funkybabee:
so be laughing about how you are twisting answer in other to look true in the eyes of others,you too know in your heart that what you are referring is not contradict in what he asked, you said there is no hell fire so are you now trying to say Revelation Bible is rubbish when it's said anybody that we didn't find his name in the book of life we will put him into the lake of fire(hell fire) come and try to convince me with these words please

goodnews201668:
Where have you been my sister?

johnw74:
Pro 26:17 He who passes by enraging himself over strife not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears,

Pro 26:18 or like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death.
Pro 26:19 so is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, Am I not joking?

you should have posted the before verse but that would have been honest
and you wouldn't have been able to accuse of being mad
bro was not about strife but was having fun, and I was not enraged at his having fun
however you sound enraged and mad
and satan like you has no sense of humour also

me think you being hysterical

brocab:
The information that is written is not false, but rather true and correct, dolphinheart and yourselves are lairs and the truth is not found in any of you.
So are we talking two ways here, or is this just your post?
Are you trying to say? True Christians can't support anybody.
I found a sister in need, and because she had given me so much of her bad remarks she had retrieved from yourself and dolphinheart, over time, my first reaction was to return her a favour, by supporting and correcting her insulting statement. I believed she was copying what she found written by you and dolphinheart in the watchtower magazine, and to prove herself to your organisation she only laid down your law of insults.
Doing this favour, I see nothing I have done was different from you JW's.
You don't like the twisting, but this is one thing you all do best, since I have been on this page, you have twisted and turned and changed our words around, only to suit your own interest.
Time and time again, I have learnt one thing from you JW's is all of you rebuke the word of God, "the bible" calling God a two headed God, and calling Jesus a god. How insulting is this towards our creator.
And now you think you have the rights to lay down your laws and complaints You have a much bigger problem when you meet the creator Himself.
Because brocab was supporting someone from making a bad mistake against a fellow Christian, then it is right for me to correct that person, and if she don't listen to me, then it is right for me to take with me two other witnesses, and if that person refuses to listen, and because we can't approach each other, then it's right for me to support her the way I believe it's best.
{Jesus said what you do to others, you are doing it to Him}
It's the thought that counts.

johnw74:
more false accusations from phony jw
accusing of forgery where humour was given, for one

fancy lie lie dolphinheart accusing of lying

johnw74:
lie lie barristter

you also have no comprehension

bro was being humorous which false jw don't seem to understand
but love to lie and make a big deal out of their own false accusations

dolphinheart:
I did not quote matthew 19:28 to you , unless you want to use that verse to show me that only spirit go to heLL.
Imy not arguing with you, I've already shown you that spirits don't go to heLl. I've also disected your explanations and I've shown you how false it is. You prefer to always add things to gods word, it did not , in any verse, ever tell you that spirits go to hell. The theory of spirits going to hell was formulated after realising that the false teachings about hell cannot stand without such fomuLation.
I know you and your runaway tactics, that's why I said you will not respond to that post.


fomulating false beliefs for me will not cover your false teachings sir!


are we talking about death? no , we are talking about where the soul, spirit and body goes to when one dies. You have failed to use the scriptures to tell us where the spirit goes at death, even when you quoted the scriptures that told you what happens to the spirit at death, you prefer to change it , not believing what the scripture said, preferring to manipulate those words.
up till now , even after several times of reminding you, you refuse to tell where the body and soul goes at dead, using the scriptures to tell us will greatly affect your false doctrine, so you refused to answer that part of the question.


this is a clear example that you don't read the scriptures you mention. what does matthew 19:28 have to do with God Killing the body and soul in heLl?



you are a very funny man, I would have told you my beliefs about hell, but it will divert from the issue at hand, something you badly want to do.
I will stick to the issue at hand. you say only spirits go to hell and refuse to tell us where the soul and body goes!, the scriptures posted by your so called brother has proved your belief to be false!



are you trying to prove jesus words wrong about killing body and soul?, or are you trying to say god will not kill any body and soul ?, choose your answer carefully.


even though your statement are full of false teachings, I'll just bring out the one relevant to the issue at hand. your own words have shown your teachings to be false about only spirits going to hell.

" even the souls in Hades are put back into their resurrected bodies"


maybe your next move is to now claim that Hades is different from hell, that spirits go to hell and souls go to Hades!.

brocab:
Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, [size=26] If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue [/size] and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , false religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

brocab:
Am I really hearing this from you? Because I said if a Spirit had Fleshly parts, He wouldn't be a Spirit.
But with common sense flesh is flesh and Spirit is Spirit if a Spirit had all Spiritual parts He would be a Spirit, and if the flesh had all fleshly parts he would be flesh.
Don't you not know flesh and blood can-not enter into the Spirit of God {1 Corinthians 15:50} The flesh can-not please God, but the Spirit can, and the Spirit will enter into Hades too, Jesus went into the pits to pick up the keys of death and Hades.
Don't we all love the way you try to twist things around, [size=26] If a Spirit has a Spiritual tongue [/size] and we have a fleshly tongue, how does it prove your silly theory?
You asked a Question does a Spirit have a fleshly tongue, and I answered it correctly, and who knows how you think? Matter of fact, I believe a child at a very young age, would know the differences, between the two.
Because I said the Rich man spoke to Abraham in Spirit, it doesn't prove I am lying, The rich man died and after he had died he spoke to Abraham to send Lazarus to give him water to put on the tip of his tongue-So your evidence doesn't count, this just proves you have tried to twist my words by lying to the public.
Because you have still refused to listen to the truth about the word of God, and if Jesus tells this story about the rich man, then Jesus has a good reason why He is telling this story, and without you understanding this scripture, and you not having any knowledge, I believe it frightens you to think {Luke 16:22-26} Says it all, as it sounds, and the rich man and Lazarus died, and they both ended up separately, across from each other, either burning for eternity with your Father, Or living for God for eternity.
What your problem is, you have never seen the Spirit realm, you have never felt the unknowing, a present around you, I don't even believe you have never heard God's voice, nor from His messengers.
Which of course this leaves you dumb founded.
The bible is so clear, when it talks about the angels looking like men as God's messengers, did you know we wrestle against the principalities and the darkness of the world. Meaning we wrestle against your Father the devil of old.
Jozzy4 No one is interested in your rubbish nor are we interested with your lies. If you aren't willing to speak any truth about the Word of God, then remove your tongue from your mouth and shut up.

OMG@ bold ! spiritual tongue
, what about the fire ? spiritual fire too ; D , spiritual Water , Spiritual Finger . mehn , religion is crazy.

so the whole story has a spiritual meaning after all , not to be taken literal anymore ?

Jozzy4:
Abraham bossom is what ? paradise . you just rendered the whole story symbolical. If you insist it's literal kindly accept that Abraham's bossom is what it is . Abraham's chest position.

Flyer20:
check your settings, the APN, ensure its web.gprs.mtnnigeria.net. or better still, select Mtn from the list of networks and save as default. if problem persist, uninstall the software and re install.

promise10:
Good!
So, you believe it is by intelligent design?

brocab:
Thanks, my last page-when speaking about the little humour I throw in every now again, Sorry I didn't want to sound I was over the top about it, all I wanted to do was catch a JW, and it worked.
Jozzy4 had answered to my call-and on top of all that, she worships dolphinheart, If we had people like Jozzy4 worshipping God, instead they prefer to worship each other, we could have a riot on our hands, we would have true blue Christians coming from all directions.

brocab:
Interesting? I will get a lot of good reading from the Finished Mystery book, while reading down the page I had found this to be interesting-Russell's meat in due season.
It say's this "To talk with a Jehovah witness in our day will usually mean that the identity of our Lord Jesus will be readily reduced far below the truth found in the bible regarding His deity. But strangely Charles Taze Russell Believed Jesus is the Almighty in {Revelation 1:8 This was the very few times that Russell was correct in his teachings about Jesus}
This just shows the world the JW's don't follow after their own leadership C. T. Russell today, and I find it Interesting to know the JW's on this page would place themselves in full view to the world, by admitting they are willing to lower themselves by lying for the public to see, and of course they had denied their very own founder Mr Russell's teachings.
The JW's are willing to lower themselves to every creeping thing that crawls on this earth.
Case is closed dolphinheart, Jesus Christ is the Almighty God, written and signed in full by your high and mighty Charles. T. Russell himself.
I advised the JW's to look up C. T. Russell's teachings and match it up with the bible and study what the truth is.

brocab:
You need to ask C. T. Russell he knows the right answers, listen to him. You never know 'you may even learn something? {Revelation 1:8} Russell said Jesus is the Almighty, meaning Jesus is God.

brocab:
Well you still follow after your bible scholars teachings, even though you had left C. T. Russell behind, you still follow man who had written your New World Translation bible of lies.
At least C. T. Russell seen the truth, Jesus is the Almighty-where you yourselves can't see any of that truth. Do what you do best "hide.

brocab:
Praise the Lord it just shows how the Lord works in each of us Christians, and bless zodiakzax's heart, that the Spirit of God had used him to open up this great page, for us all to see.
Dolphinheart you need to check this sight out before we go any further with this conversation below
Charles Russell had made you look like complete fools, everything you have written on this page-you had lied from the beginning.
Chapter 3-Charles Russell himself agree's the Alpha and the Omega is Jesus, {Revelation 1:8, 21:6 and 22:13 {P.55, P 318, P 336} does this prove brocab was right and dolphinheart was wrong once again? Interesting.
Russell had turned this conversation upside down, this shows his leadership and studies into bible literature doesn't really matter any longer concerning the JW's.
Meaning your bible scholars had completely changed Russell's manuscripts. And with this website Russell said In chapter 5-there's no need to learn the Hebrew or the Greek language to gain a correct understanding of the bible since the Presbyterians and the Methodists have a good version of the bible {P-55}.
But I like this one" Chapter 24-Michael the archangel is the Pope of Rome. "And Not Jesus" which you all claim Him to be...
It seems your bible scholars had decided to change history, this is got to be upsetting for you all, everything you have written had been a waste of time, but it's not your fault dolphinheart, you have been taught the lie, rather then the truth.
{Matthew 23:13} "Woe unto you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites, you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Trying to rewrite a new bible, is a no-no in the Lords eye's. Your leadership had knowing you suckers will follow after the lie, more then the truth, this is your chance to seek the truth 'go with some of Russell's teachings, and know the truth?
Your bible scholars are lairs, they had completely changed Russell's manuscripts and it's leading you all to hell.
Don't be fools seek the word of God, and come and join with us, we stand in God's army, the larges army there is' in the kingdom of God.
If your bible scholars had changed history and disagree's against Russell's teachings, what other lies have you and your collies been taught over the years you have been faithful towards your organisations.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-jesus-approved

brocab:
Don't argue with me, read the scriptures, and if you still refuse to believe, then question yourself if you are truly Christian.
The word of God does not lie.

solite3:
ALPHA AND OMEGA.
Jehovah witnesses have tried so hard to see how they can remove this title from Christ but it always backfires.
How do we know that this title and rev1:8 refers to Christ?
Readers of revelations 1,2,3 should ask who is sending a message to the churches the Father or Jesus Christ?Rev 2:1,8,12,18 rev 3:1,7,14,
Revelations 1:10-17
10. I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet
11.Saying, I[b] am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last[/b]: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia and unto laodicea.
Do note that the voice identified himself by these
1. Alpha and Omega( The beginning and the Ending)
2 The first and The last
3. He that liveth, and was dead; And alive forever
4. He that have the keys of hell and of death

12. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me, And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks; one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle
Now John turned to see the voice
The term son of man is normally attributed to who? Jesus or the father
14. His head and his hairs were white as wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire.
These are the exact way Daniel described the being he saw in Daniel 10:9 and the Ancient of days in Daniel 7:9.
15. And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
The voice as the sound of many waters is described as the voice of the Almighty. See Ezekiel 1:24
16. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
This is interesting, as John still described him as he who has the two edged sword in his mouth. See rev 19: 15.
Vs17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last.
This is a title used for God which the voice used for himself again. See isaiah 44:6
From this we can affirm that the person talking and been described is Jesus Our Lord and revelation1:8 refers to him since he was the one speaking to the church. ( God gave to Jesus what will happen in the future to Jesus in other to shew to his servants). In fact Jesus was the one speaking.

What about the angel?
The angel was sent by Jesus to testify by revealing this message to John ad it unfolds. Please take note that apart from the message to the church there were others John received in heaven itself.
Since Jesus described himself as the the Almighty, Alpha and omega,the first and the last. The Jesus himself must be God.
So the saying at times the father speaks to john at other times it is Jesus is baseless.

dolphinheart:
yep, my posts are not primarily for them, it's certain that in cases in which they are shown truth or asked certain thought provoking questions about the bible, they suddenly find reasons not to answer. my posts are primarily for the sincere , truth seeking ones out of the about 71,000 peeps reading this thread.

brocab:
The word said it like this>{John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the word {Christ} And the word was with God, and the word was God Himself.
{Isaiah 45:5} I Am the LORD' and their is none else, their is no God beside Me.
So I am not expecting any of you JW's believe in any of these scriptures, But at least before you judge solite3, read what the scriptures had said for yourself "Who is the Lord God?
{John 6:58} Jesus also said "before Abraham was born I Am.
{Luke 4:8} Jesus answered and said unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, you shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.
Lets back this scripture up with>{Deuteronomy 13:6} You shall walk after the Lord your God and keep His commandments AND OBEY HIS VOICE and you shall serve HIM and hold fast to Him.
God is a jealous God..
In the beginning the scriptures made It clear that Jesus has the same authority as God, both worshipped by men, the scriptures tells us only One God' is worshipped and served, you shall worship the Lord your God and in HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.
But the JW's believe Jesus is a God, and not the God. So which One in the scriptures does it say who's worshipped?
{Matthew 2:2} Where is He who is the King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east and come to worship Him.
The same word used for worshipping God is the same word for Jesus to be worshipped. So if Jesus is not being worshipped neither is the Father. God is Spirit.
{Matthew 6:24} No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other.
{Revelation 4:10-11} The 24 elders, fell down before Him who sits on the throne, and worshipped Him who lives for ever and ever, saying you are worthy "O Lord" to receive glory honour and power, for you created all things, and by your will, they exist and were created.
{Colossians 1:15-17} Where all things were created through Him, and for Him and consist in Him.
Jesus lives forever? He is the One who is called the first and the last.
{Revelation 1:18} I AM HE WHO LIVES, AND WAS DEAD, AND BEHOLD I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE. AMEN.
Note: Jesus said get behind Me Satan, you shall worship the lord your God and HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE. How many God's did Jesus say
If Jesus is not God, then He would not except worship, nor would the bible allow this to be insinuated. If He is not God, neither can He be our savour.
{Psalm 68:20} Our God is a God who saves. That He is' our God is the God of salvation.

brocab:
Don't you just love the word of God? And how the truth will set you free.
But you may not even scroll down to even read this page, the first line of course has got your attention, and then your evil thoughts will have it over you, knowing these words came from the word of God Himself, and sadly I brocab had decided to pass on this message to you.
The bible is clear that Jesus 's body was resurrected. The tomb was empty. He was recognizable to those who knew Him, Jesus showed Himself to all of His disciples after His resurrection, and more than 500 people were eye witnesses to His earthly post-resurrection presence
{1 Corinthians 15:4-6} In {Luke 24:16} on the road to Emmaus, two of Jesus's disciples "were kept from recognizing {Jesus} However later their eye's were opened and they recognized Him. {V 31} It's not that Jesus was unrecognisable, it's that for a time the disciples were supernaturally retained from recognizing Him.
later in the same chapter of {Luke} Jesus makes it plain to His disciples that He does have a physical body, He is not a disembodied spirit: See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself, Touch Me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have {Luke 24:39}
After spending 40 day's with His disciples, Jesus ascended Bodily into heaven {Acts 1:9} Jesus is still human, and He has a human body in heaven right now.
His body is different, [size=25] However, earthly human flesh is perishable, but heavenly bodies are imperishable [/size] {1 Corinthians 15:50}
Jesus has a physical body, with a difference. His resurrection body is designed with eternity in view.
{1 Corinthians 15:39-49} Describes what the body of the believer will be like in heaven. Our heavenly bodies will differ from our earthly ones in type of flesh, in splendour, in power, and in longevity. The apostle Paul also states, that the believers body will be an image of Christ's body {V 49} Paul discusses this subject again in {2 Corinthians } where he compares earthly bodies to tents and heavenly bodies to heavenly dwellings. {2 Corinthians 5:1-2} Paul says that once the earthly tent comes off, Christians will not be left naked-that is without a body to live in {2 Corinthians 5:3} When the new body is "put on" we will go from mortality to immortality {2 Corinthians 5:4}
So we will know that Christians will have a heavenly body, like Jesus "glorious body". {Philippians 3:21} At His incarnation Jesus took on human flesh, and at His resurrection His body was glorified-although He retained Himself the scars {John 20:27} He will forever be the God-man, sacrificed for us. Christ the creator of the universe, will forever stoop to our level, and He will be known to us in heaven in a tangible form that we can see, hear and touch {Revelation 21:3-4, 22:4}

Richirich713:
It's in the word itself, a being that is not 1 person, rather it's muti-personal (more than 1 person).