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Femiartalade:
dude he is referring to Judas in dis case

it's a figurative term

Farabale , here is what the translators did :

The greek reads : " one is Devil" , ( the same greek word used for Satan the Devil) . But the translators fear that if they leave it like that , it clearly means Judas Is Satan The Devil . So they modify and said : " one is {a} devil" , adding the article " a" and in small letter
d evil , to differentiate the devil here from the Original Devil ! Do u support that modification ?

zyzxx:
no
get another version if you are not clear of dat verse gud u ask thou

Lol , The greek word translated DEVIL appeared there , so whats ur point ?

Read John 6:70

" Then Jesus said ' I Choose the twelve of you but one is [a] devil '

muafrika:
Good question.

What I've come across is two deaths:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.Rev 21:8"

But then there is a reference to many events in which some kind of a vengrance/action is taken against nations/people who sin against God. The the last, most important and decisive according to scripture being as above quoted...

Judgement is continuous. That last one, having a finality.

Can I conclude from the underlined that you actually belive there will be TWO Judgements ?

Judgement Definition : A decision or opinion made after giving a careful thought

Judgement involves A CAREFUL THOUGHT , infact in the judicial settings , judgement is not passed until proper evidences on which decision can be based is presented ! It happens once , if it happens twice ( through redress ) . Then it means there was a mistake in the former judgement .

With this knowledge , lets go back to theology

Many claim people are judged immediately they died , is that all ? They said NO , they will still be judged at the final judgement , How will a perfect God judge a person twice ? Re u saying he is confused or what ? Did he made a mistake in the former judgement ?

So am throwing the question to all : will there be two judgement or just one ?


Cc : lalasticlala

The scripture permits divorce on the basis of sexual immorality - matthew 19:9

OLAADEGBU:
You will have to first agree that Jesus was begotten and not created.

Tel me how he was begotten ? By sexual intercourse or creation

Firstborn not firstcreated.

Firstborn of all creation , that simply tells you that of all creation that came into existence , he is the first and beginning of the creation by God The Father - Rev 3:14

Ever wondered why such title is never given to the Father ??

Alani86:
"Fear sin"? That's rather a funny statement! Well, the facts of the word of God can never be understood and adopted by people like you; "common rational thinking people". They are meant for those who live by Faith.

You better put aside every weight and ask God for the real WORD/TRUTH. This has nothing to do with all the letters(greek, hebrew, etc) you've so much familiarized yourself with, because they (letters) kill! Isaiah 44:25 and 1Corinthians 8:1b.

In conclusion, hell is never a resting place sir! Rather, it is full of torment, torture, agony and regret; Matthew 13:42.

So Jesus was in full torment , torture and agony in hell ? _ Act 2:31

charlesucheh:
You can't just pick up three or two bible chapters and interpret them to suit your long held believes. The act of apostles, Leviticus, and deuteronomy you talked about were basically given instructions to the isrealites on the need to abstain from the unclean with special reference to animals. Those passages didn't say one can't contribute or donate his/her blood to save the life of another. Just because you know God loves you, doesn't mean you'll deliberately stand in front of a MOLUE (passenger bus) to get smashed and think you won't die, cos what you explained is tantamount to the aforementioned example. The bible even reverence that ; Heaven help those who help themselves (old saying right?!). It's when you take the necessary steps to help your condition that moves GOD and his grace upon your life, but when you're carefree about delicate issues and leaving God to spoon feed you, that's when he'll feel discouraged about your condition. God has provided us with the necessary means at our disposal to make everything right on earth. Where and how we use them is dependent on us.
To me, the ten commandment of our savior, JESUS CHRIST remains the sole nexus to my living on earth, and in so far as it's still valid I'll do all things necessary that's not contradictory to it.

Show me where the bible reverence the bolded statement ?

alexis:
Thanks for indulging me, So you confirmed that Revelation 1:8 is referring to Jehovah and you are right, no doubt about that. Please indulge me.

1. Revelation 21:5-7: 5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

Here we see the identification that Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God right?

2. Revelation 22:13 = I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Here we see Jehovah as being called the first and the last - is that correct?

3. Revelation 1:17 = When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last.

Here we see Jehovah called the first and the last again. So far, do you agree that it is Jehovah that is being referenced?

You are very WRONG @ No. 3 , Jehovah Almighty God can not die [habakuk 1:12]. But the person spoken of in Rev 1:17 said he was dead . And Yes , there is a big difference in how Jehovah used first and the last nd how Jesus used it . Example : will it be wise to say an only child is Almighty God simply because he introduce himself saying " I am the first and the last " child ? A wise person will consider the context of discusion

How JEHOVAH GOD used " first nd the last" ' I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me' Isa 44:6 . His Been Almighty


How Jesus His Son used " first nd last" ' I am the first and the last , and the living one , and I became dead , but Look! I am living forever and ever, ' Rev 1:17 . He used it to describe his unique resurection , he is the first to be raised from dead and live forever , and the last to be raised from dead by his God And Father .(galatians 1:1) Yes , jesus will be the one to resurect others from grave - john 5:28,29 , no wonder he said " I have the keys of death and the grave " rev 1:18

makavele:
No we cant and don't be decieved no one cant . . for even the Bible said
whther there are gift of prophesying, they would cease
whether gifts of speaking in tongues, they would cease
whether gifts of dreams, they would cease . . .

so everyting ceased after the pentecost . . pls remind me to provide the bible verses for your reading when i am home
just in case u dont belive me sir/ma

thank you

Lol , bro


Am actually been sarcastic with that question , cos the guy said witnesses dont have the holyspirit since they dont speak gibberish they called tongues "

So I asked him if he can speak in foreign tongues like the apostles ? I know they cant , cos they are fake

Esdb3:
[b]Straight declaration by whom? John. [/b]Who we believe was inspired by whom? God.

So now his words against Jesus who is whom? Who was where before the earth was made?



You didn't see "read john 14 5-11"

Jesus remains the beginning of the CREATION By God - Rev 3:14

nwadiuko1:
if you say they don't discriminate, then you don't know them......they think they are a RELIGION of their own.....what kinda Christian will ban his or her son/daughter from marrying a non witness even if he or she is a Christian?

The bible said " marry only in the Lord" 1 Cor 7:39 , someone in the Lord is a person thats ready to keep all the commandment of Jesus Christ including the command to preach the goodnews of Gods Kingdom Matt 24:14 !!! Do you regularly do this ? Do you know what the Kingdom Of God is ? Do you follow the examples of the 1st century christians in preaching " from house to house" ? Act 20:20

alexis:
I can answer that question like this -
In Revelation 1:8: It says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty". Is that Jehovah God or Jesus?

its a bitter truth , just swallow it . Jesus have a God he is subjected to

" but when all things have been subjected to him, then the son himself will also subject himself to the one who subject all things to him " 1 cor 15:28

I.e " he hands over the kingdom to HIS GOD ND FATHER" 1 Cor 15: 24 .

.....

Rev 1:8 is Jehovah God .

Verse 4,5 differentiate Jehovah Almighty GOD from Jesus the faithful and true witness .

Esdb3:
So Jesus is not God? So Jesus was created like the angels were? So he was not there in the beginning?

Read other versions not your edited bible of the scripture John 14 5-11

Jesus " is the beginning of the creation by God " Rev 3:14 . Straight declaration .

[quote author=Mpanyi post=39816651][/quote]Woah ! You are diving into an issue you have no knowledge about .

Calm down ,
1. Can anyone go to heaven without Jesus dying for mankind sins ?
Answer that nd we can proceed .

alexis:
I responded to this several times, here it is again:

https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/6#39812913

I did not ask for link , simple qwesion : Jesus have a God he is subjected to ? Yes Or No

DebbyChris:
They made heaven cause of their righteousness and faith and Jesus was yet to come and died but after his death b4 u get to heaven u must i said must believe in him or forget about heaven.

In other words , they made heaven without Jesus ? Yes or no . Just confess

Esdb3:
That is just some dumb as shii there my nigga. After so many statements like "and cast them into the lake that burns forever"

All you used to debunk hell was a single verse by a man who was on an empty island and could have been delirious from the torment. The statement that 'hell was thrown into the lake of fire"

Which proves ur stupidity because hell was said to be thrown into a fire not hell fire into a fire.

And don't call me shitty because u made a distinction btwn hell and hell fire.

Apostle john is delirious " @ underlined , this is coming from a so - called bible beliver .

[quote author=promzyugo post=39814295][/quote]Mr man, if everybody will go to heaven - what about the promise of a " new earth " at 2pet 3:13 , na lie ?

What about psalm 37: 9-11 , that one too na lie ?

What about Jesus statement at matthew 5:5 , na joke ?


Your pastors has led you astray

gasgenius:
In John 8:58, Jesus tells the Pharisees, "Before Abraham was, I am."
He claimed to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14, which is God Almighty.

See as this one dey turn bible upside down , ogbeni ... The I AM of exodus 3:14,15 identify himself as the God Of Abraham, Isaac , Jacob , are you telling me that Jesus is the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ?

alexis:
Where did I mention worship. I quoted specific verses and instead you you addressing them, you didn't.

Why would God the father call Jesus God?

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom"

Can you please answer that?

The Father still reveal he is SUPERIOR !

Verse " that is why YOUR GOD ( the God of Jesus ) has annoint you more than your fellows " heb 1:9 .

That same chapter prove Jesus HAVE A GOD !!!

The father called humans gods too , meanwhile Gods " Coz greek doesnt differentite god from God" like english language .

[quote author=DebbyChris post=39813332][/quote]SO David and moses make heaven without Jesus ? Yes Or No

They Make Heaven without a saviour ?

How can Jesus claim to die for the whole WORLD if some humans make heaven without him dying for them ? pls explain

Sarang:
4where!

My brother , truth is light

Mpanyi:
Jehovah Witness do not believe in existence of hell and that Jesus is God, notwithstanding bible teachings to the contrary. For the aforementioned reasons, they are antichrist. Let them prove me wrong.

Jesus is God , in what sense ? Do you mean Almighty God ? Thats A NO!!!! Because scripture reveal Jesus himself HAVE A GOD under whom he is subjected to ( 1 cor 15 : 24 - 28 )

campbell1000:
Pls dnt justify thier activities they myt be zealous bt hey carry abt doctrines of devils, i am yet to see a core Jehovah's withness that is filled wit the Holy spirit nt just speaking in tongues, if it ever happens then the Whole Bible is a lie!!!!!

Can you speak in foreign tongues like the apostles did on pentecost ?

DebbyChris:
Do you believe he died for ur sins? do u believe in heaven and hell fire? do u believe jesus is the only way to heaven?

If Jesus is the only way to heaven , why did moses and David made heaven without him dying for them ?? Pls reply .

Do u have the holy spirit in u? are u born again?

According to Jesus , who is a born again ? Where did Noah go when he died ? How did he made heaven since he is not a born again ?

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member.
I LOVE them so much because,
---Of all the CHRISTAIN denominations....
They are the MOST Enlightened, Educated, Exposed.
It is usually difficult to SPOT the Illiterates among them.

They train their KIDS to be resourceful in future
They are good at PUBLIC SPEAKING.
They dress modest.
They rarely give in, to the changes of the new age.

They study the BIBLE more than any other denomination.

Above all they have the BEST EVANGELISM network, involving both the rich and the poor. (youngest and oldest)
Their CLERGYMEN talk cautiously, unlike many others who talk back at the congregation carelessly.
Never MONEY driven nor conscious.

I always entertained them right from my CHILDHOOD and I have learnt a lot.
I just wish I can worship GOD, the way they do.
MOST times I feel ashamed as a christain when I see them.
I hope to pay them a visit soonest.
I Love them.

Everything u said is true

Scholar8200:
That violates the context! Besides, Why will He be called Firstborn in vs 15 since vs 16 says All other things were created? Why did it not say they were begotten?

Prove it! Give links/quotes from referenced sites that confirm your claim. The amplified version uses the words in parentheses as a way of capturing the full meaning of the word used in the manuscript.


this is figurative! The same passage speaks of the earth being formed! Besides, apart from Proverbs 8:24-30 that speaks of the earth being made/created (by Jesus as Col 1:16 affirms) there are other passages that tell us expressedly that the mountains etc were created but not ONE that says the Son was created!


That was spoken by Christ after the incarnation. What? Would you say He was lower than Joseph and Mary because He was subject to them as a Child? There are other passages where His Divinity was revealed eg John 17:5

Firstborn of creation is the beginning of d creation of God

Scholar8200:
This line of argument is not applicable here

That show you are just a confuse person .

Why is the Father never called son of God ? Not even once .
Why is the father never addressed as the firstborn of all creation ?

Scholar8200:
Wow are we done with Colossians?

Not at all , I gave you the example of pharaoh , you claim that one his human birth , which is why I cite proverb 8:24 to prove that even Jesus was given birth to .

Humans born by sex

God born by creation

Of All the creation by God , Jesus is the firstborn . Thats what col 1:15 is saying

And what about the samples whence your conclusions - lies, twist and harden scriptures, hypocrite - came? Let's be thorough now!



Now notice this:
Proverbs 8:24-30
When there were no depths, I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.
25 Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth:
26 while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there:
When he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 when he established the clouds above:
When he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 when he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
When he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 then I was by him, as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Now the black highlighted texts show us that:

1. The mention of brought forth (regarding the Son) and made(concerning the earth and elements) show us that The Son was not made/created else why the change in verbs within same passage?





The green highlighted text establishes equality! How? It does not say, "brought up BY Him" but , "brought up WITH Him"

Just like John 17:5 speaks of ," Glory which I had WITH Thee" not "Glory which I had FROM Thee"

See the use of that same clause here:

Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts 13:1 That suggests that Manaen and Herod were peers brought up together!

@ brown

All this underlined fabrications are not found in the manuscript .

15 He is the exact living image [the essential
Manifestation] of the unseen God [the visible
Representation of the invisible],
the firstborn [the
preeminent one, the sovereign, and the originator] of all
creation
(AMP)

@ underlined : the earth and mountains were also " brought forth" psalm 90:2 , i guess they are not created . Uh ?

@ blue : false opinion .. Jesus remains a son , FATHER is greater than Jesus [ John 14:28]