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Anas09:
Jessicha. What is absurd abt the immotrality of a soul? If a soul is not immortal, why will there be any need for resurrection? Since you the JWs believe that, when man dies it ends there, no after life. What do we do with the scriptures with reference to resurrection? The Bible says, on the last day, everyone shall resurrect, some to life eternal, but some to condemnation, where there's weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt 13:30. This experience will take place in the realm other than this one. Flesh gets consumed by fire, but the soul doesn't, its your soul which will burn.
Jessicha, whether you consider the teachings of Christ absurd or not. The soul of man is immortal.

show me the BOLD from the scripture ?

Scholar8200:
dont stress yourself, stay where you are.

Kindly quote me where I said that.

don't u see a question mark? once again, u said without the salvation of Jesus , what humans have is shame

now its either Abel go to heaven or go to helfire ... if he go to heaven, is heaven a place of shame ?

or did he go to hellfire ?

You appear to be in a hurry to catch whatever appears to please you:


32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 22:32
God said this (highlighted blue) to Moses after the three men had departed from the earth.

UV ran away from Daniel ... the point is clear.

o ma se o, man read verse 31 and understand what Christ is saying

"regarding the resurection of the dead" matt 22:31 Regarding the future resurrection

Besides, what meaneth this?

33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Genesis 49:33

Sleeping in the dust refers to their interred dead bodies, not the soul.

error man
In Acts 13:36 Paul, speaking of David, says that he “was laid unto his fathers.” This all must acknowledge to be the exact equivalent of being “gathered to his people;” then the apostle goes on and adds, “ and saw corruption .” That which was laid unto his fathers,or was gathered to his people, saw corruption.

the question still remain unanswered

Scholar8200:
Because without His Salvation, what we have is shame and EVERLASTING CONTEMPT

so irrational, let me come down to ur level .... Cain attacks Abel, righteous Abel quickly use that oportunity to shed off his skin and been immortal , he ascend to heaven ? you have to explain if heaven is a place of shame.

And [size=25] many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth [/size] awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Daniel 12:2
This passage powerfully accentuates the immortality of the soul.

the passage prove what? you probably did not read the BOLD

most religions teach that humans are immortal beings , i.e human exists forever, have a never ending life

that explains why many believ when a man dies he only shed his skin... he is alive . but what dies is his lifeless skin (think abt a snake shedding its skin to get it better )

therefore, not mortals ...

if humans are immortal beings, how can Jesus come to give everlasting life to immortal beings ? so of what basis is Jesus claim of giving man everlasting life if man is already destined to live forever ?

someone sud explain this absurdity

TrajansKong:
BLASPHEMER!

No scripture can contradict Ecc 9:5 , Get Wisdom

HELL IS A PLACE OF FIRE
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."

Its a parable boy , you urself confess by saying the man NOT some imaginary ghost ; the rich man has eyes and tongue , isnt it ?

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Gnashing of TEETH indeed ! Am sure Jesus knows ur teeth are buried in the grave , its just you that lacks wisdom to understnd his parables .

In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. "

Everlasting fire means destruction - jude 6 , 2peter 2:6

Revelation20:15 says,"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE"

Lake of fire means " second death " (rev 20:14) not torment .

HardMirror:
I just dey laugh.
So you can see the bible does not really make sense.
Why shld animals die. I love this question

Animals die because living things get old and die, because of diseases, because they get killed buy other animals or natural disasters.

Story about adam and eve is nothing but story

You are always sprewing thrash ; no wonder u couldnt defend ur statement on the other thread , meanwhile if u had read this thread with open mind you will have seen the biblical reason why animals die . But how would u even see that ?

If u think the bible doesnt make sense , you that make sense should tell me why humans speak different languages ? I belive ur pin wisdom should be able to answer that , so ?

" as for the dead , they are conscious of nothing at all " - ecc 9:5

HardMirror:
Bring the trouble. You obviously have no answer to my question so swerve.

Lols , bring the trouble , so u gat no evidence that I said such , u are just blabbing as usual ..Confuse person .

HardMirror:
So once shekau and his boko haram boys die, they are free from their sin. Hmmm...
I keep loving christainity. Bunch of confused people.
U keep trying to defend god and end up showing your folly.
So I as an atheist will be free from my sin once I die (according to your logic). Interesting.

" the wages sin pays is Death" ROM 6:23 , so once u die .. Uv paid the wage of ur sins , automatically after paying ur wages , such a person is " Free from his sin" Rom 6:7

So why are you guys wasting time preaching jesus. We don't need him then.

This is what happens when u dont pay attention

" the wages sin pays is Death , but the ***GIFT** God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord " Romans 6:23

Can u now see the role of Jesus ? He came so we can have everlasting life which is a gift. By living a righteous life ,u show God that u want him to give you that GIFT .. Therefore , u hav d hope of a resurection

HardMirror:
Let me quote this for future reference.
Bunch of confused people. Today you say people will perish if they are not born again, tomorrow you say he who is dead is free from his sins.
Smh
I just dey laugh. Indeed religion tells a lot about people's intelligence

i dont understand why u are crying .... Pls show me where i said the bold ? Ur failure to do that will spell trouble .

TrajansKong:
False teachings!! There is no sentimental human feeling in Heaven or Hell! One is a place of eternal worship and service, the other of torture.

Read your Bible. You are reading Romans 6:7 in a spirit of disobedience. The preceding verse (Romans 6:4) reads :Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life

Freedom from hellfire is through baptism alone. God's word is without error. Children unwashed in the blood of the Nazarene will burn forever. Dead humans are NOT free from sin. All will be judged. Selah!

Compare the underlined lie with the truth below

" He who has died is Free from his sin " Roman 6:7 .

paulGrundy:
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http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201511/organized-religion-dying/
One of watchtower lies!! the truth is 44 percent of france claimed to be christains, of which 41 percent are catholic @bolded which news report? Awake news report, 84.2% of ireland is catholic only 7.6% claimed atheism as @ 2011


Misinformation and misrepresentations, Radicals took over around 1,000 of Tunisia's 5,000 mosques, which are normally run by the Religious Affairs Ministry, and turned them from quiet places of prayer to platforms to call for jihad and sharia (Islamic law). No poll ever stated muslims stopped going to mosques and prayed at home.
It has been fairly stable lapses were not more than 5%

Eeyah,pele tie. See ur life @bold,2011 indeed

The article explains :

" statistics for all countries except Tunisia are taken from the **2012** Global Index of religion and Atheism Published by Gallup International
"

TrajansKong:
This is true Christianity. God alone is the judge. His will is clear. Upon death, a baby that is not dedicated to our lord will be cast into the fiery pit and eternal pain. This has been the fate of millions of babies since time immemorial and so it shall continue unto the day of Judgement, indeed for all time as their suffering endeth not. Selah!

Therefore, my people, dedicate your babies to him before their first breath. His wrath is terrible indeed.

Love Him.

You are not okay .


Meanwhile , the bold is a lie ... Upon death , a dead human is [size=24] Free from his sins [/size] - Romans 6:7 , righteous justice dont purnish a free /an innocent person .

Seamareggae:
How much is it dear...

#10,000 , but if u are good at pricing , u can get it at #9,000 or #9,500

Mayb u try itel1407 , its a nice phone

samted:
I never said dead people don't go to graves. Dyu even know what we've been talking about?

What exactly is the spirit in man and animals ?

samted:
eccl 9:5 is talking about 'the dead' (DEAD PEOPLE) not their spirits. The spirit leaves the person (vessel) after death.

O ma se o , what is spirit pls ? Hope u know animals have one spirit with man too ?

and eccl 9:10 acknowledges that there is a realm of the dead (sheol) or hell or the grave where there is no work or planning.

It says , Where ****YOU*** note : you, are going , do u now belive that dead people go to grave as u testify above ?

brocab:
Until you can describe God in the bible-then you may understand the word was with God and the word was God, but because you can't explain it to me, you won't understand John 1:1 "These very scriptures are written so we can understand them clearly, it takes the Holy Spirit to teach us spiritually, without the Holy Spirit-you have Buckley's and none, to even know the hidden secrets about the bible.
I am trying to help you, but without you having the Spirit of God, I feel it's impossible even trying.
Are you a JW?

A totally Confuse man .

brocab:
Do we not read the word of God John 1:1 In the beginning was the word-and the word was with God, and the word was God, do we read the word of God-is the bible about God.

Okay , the word of God at john 1:1 is bible ?

Listen you won't understand this scripture until you can answer, how do you describe God in the bible.

" the Only true God" John 17:3

Once you have done that then everything should fall into place for you.

Answer me: explain the phrase "the Word was with God " and you replied the Word was God . If then the word was God , then u admit the Word was with God ( The Word) ? The Word was with the Word ?

brocab:
Do we not read the word of God?
I see you really haven't any idea when it comes to the word, you don't understand what John 17:21 means, Jesus said Father you are in Me and I am in you. Describe God who is God written in the bible. What does God look like?

Dont deviate , we are discussing john 1:1

" The Word with God ( The Word) ? " ?

brocab:
Not having the Spirit of God residing in yourself, this of course sounds very confusing to you, I have explained this before-how does the bible see God, describe Him-and describe Jesus.

Eeyah , so its confusing you , pls explain it for me better ?

" The word was WITH ^{remember you said the Word was God} God ( The word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

John 17:21 "Jesus prayed to the Father just as you are in me I am in you. May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Is this scripture showing us, the Spirit of God lives within.

Where did you see Spirit Of God in john 17:21 ? Are u sleeping ?

brocab:
And it also says the word is God, not a God

You didnt answer me now .. Are u scared ?

Besides , you mean the Word is the same God in that verse ? Lets see how it sounds if we subitute what you belive into that verse

" and the Word was With God ( The Word) " right ? The Word was with the Word ?

Op is wrong , angels and demons are not immortal , they can die !!!

Scholar8200:
Exactly! The Personalities are distinct but One. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Spirit but , "these Three are One.

The moment I saw the underlined , i knew uv been scammed .

Scholar8200:
And John 1:17 (Isaiah 9, Hebrews 1 etc) establishes the fact that the Word was God and is the Only Begotten! Meaning the thought and the structure of John 1:1 was contaminated by those who introduced the article there!

This is translation not transliteration. The sense and the context of John 6:70 vis a vis other parallel passages endorses the article; while the sense and context of John 1:1 vis a vis parallel passages contradicts the article 'a' in John 1:1
Going down to John 1:3, we see that creation was attributed to the Word Who Is God and this agrees with other passages eg Isaiah 40:28. Now John 1:1-3 and other passages show us a distinction of Personalities and a Oneness that is literal.
Why divert your own thread?

Not diverted, this is where am going . John 1:2 says " this one was in the beginning With God" , this proves the person identified as the word himself is not God Almighty himself BUT was with God , you cant be with yourself !

Femiartalade:
oga we both saying d same thing

Think abuh that before u criticize those who add the article " a" at john 1:1 , "a god " paralleled "a devil "

Scholar8200:
Ma'am, we are splitting hairs here. (noticed you've changed the topic of the thread!)

Yes , changed cos u guys keep missing the point .

None is wrong! The next verse already shows the reason why the article had to be introduced. We are talking of the Bible being translated with respect to structure and thought and not the Bible being transliterated. They are two different things. Now let's consider the passage:

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and [size=13pt]one of you[/size] is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being [size=14pt]one[/size] of the twelve.

Good !! @ underlined , think about that before u criticize those who introduced the article "a"
At John 1:1 , the next verse already showed why ! John 1:2

Scholar8200:
Bottom line: both names are used for creatures other than the subject (man). Hence it is still a metaphor.

You are missing the point! The point is the construction of that verse .

The greek reads " one is Devil" which literally points to the Devil .

But the english translation reads " one is (a) devil" , adding article "a" and small letter "d" coz in english langugage , capital " D" refer to satan the Devil.

Which is correct , Devil or a devil ?

Scholar8200:
That's a metaphor!

Assignment:
Was Herod a man or a fox?
were the Pharisees humans or vipers? (Matthew 23:33)

Fox and vipers are names of animals pls , Greek -diabolos- at John 6:70 is the name of who in the scriptures ?