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achorladey:
Jessicha: Wow, In fact this is so good coming from you . this perfectly expose your lack of knowledge.

Achorladey: Galatians 2:11-14 Peter classed himself and was pretending on the same issue he himself said God is not separating based on circumcision or no circumcision Acts 15:9-11. Go back and read!!! Someone(Peter) said something previously (spiritually inspired) about this same (circumcision/uncircumcision) and the same person (Peter) is acting out the opposite of what he said initially. What name qualify such person?
You(Jessicha) brought Galatians 2:3,4 as evidence and the "False brother" tag. I give you perfect example!

Jessicha: No enlightenment for you o, just remain like that .

Achorladey: The scriptures gives enlightenment 2 Timothy 3:16,17 nothing else!!!!!

Jessicha: is of no value to that great undeserved kindness.
A false brother is an apostle hmm. As in Just remain like that Eeyah.

Achorladey: 2 Peter 3:16-18 Peter was emphatic about it after all. That you dont comprehend all what Paul said in his letter is not enough to twist it to your destruction. Na Peter talk am no be me talk am. Yet Peter stressed the undeserved kindness of God when closing his letter that the undeserved kindness of God is too much and too great to make minor differences cause division among Christians. To distort the basic of all truth in John 14:6. That is the same issue Paul was trying to correct in Peter's pretense!!!! Madam Galatians 2:3,4.

Achorladey: 1 John 5:12 The one who has the son has life; the one who does not have the son of God does not have this life. I choose to remain like this.

achorladey:
I will again and again.......are they keeping watch over there salvation?

achorladey:
They are keeping watch over there salvation Abi?.........Hahahahaha

achorladey:

Peter was definitely among those "false brothers" Galatians 2:11-14

but does that made him lose his fact of being a Christian and an apostle? Minor difference is of no value to that great undeserved kindness.

Jumped "earnestly endeavoring" into "maintain".

What!!! already "oneness" when they are still dragging circumcision issue.

achorladey:
barrister007: Ignorance of the scriptures, Elders don't snatch the sheep, they are appointed by Jesus to Keep watch over the sheep,

Achorladey: Judgemental approach as usual. Its part of you. The sheep does not belong to the elders from the start. The sheep were never baptised in the name of the elders. The fine Shepherd has promised to be with all of his sheep including those taking the lead among the sheep(because a sheep leading another sheep those not necessary make that sheep a shepherd its just another sheep) until the conclusion of system of things.

barrister007: The question a sane person needs ask is for what purpose are they keeping watch? That would let you realize how adhering to this arrangement is TIED to your salvation. - Hebrews 13:17

Achorladey: The question a saner person need to ask is, where in Hebrews 13:17 restrict those taking the lead among you to be "elders"? And how does those taking the lead and keeping watch over their fellow brother and sister made them mediators between Jesus and God? 1 Peter 2:25.

The account the in Romans 14:12 Galatians 6:5 comes to mind. You only need to read and reflect.

barrister007: Kindly Gist me regarding where and how you follow the Bibles instruction in Hebrews 10:24,25 today?

Achorladey: Matthew 18:20 is the words of our leader(Jesus Christ). Explain exhaustively how well you understand it brother!!!!! Opo ko ni eyin to ba je gaga meji pere. Ni iwon igba ti meji yen ba ti le je eran ki ni iwulo yoku.
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Hairyrapunzel:
Thank God you agree that there could be personal disagreement which is based on personal opinion.
People's person all opinion concerning scriptures can differ and they are still regarded as believers.
Religious differences concerning circumcision varied from person to person in the same congregation. And this led them to sending Paul and Barnabas to Jerusalem. At the end of the day circumcision isn't grounds for not considering people unbelievers. That's why you can have circumcised and uncircumcised people worshipping God and having faith in Jesus Christ as they are all considered believers.

When you force people to conform to a set of man made rules and punish them for deviating, it is no longer considered a Christian congregation but rather a cult or a high control group.

Paul went to Corinth where they had disputes about who to follow at the end of the day he said following Christ is the right thing. He even told them to be united in one mind in following Jesus Christ.

I know the Bible in one part tells gentiles to not eat things sacrificed to idols.

Acts 15:28-29
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

I know another part that said you can eat even unclean things as long as you don't stumble a weaker person.

Romans14

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [b]4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? [/b]To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. [/b]Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

[b]Personal opinion concerning religious things mattered.

achorladey:
Jessicha: The person(barrister007) that said you have no knowledge of scriptures to utter the bold didn't lie after all

Achorladey: Madam Jessicha, not only were you aiding and abetting a liar, you join in the conspiracy theory as well. Its no surprise, the popular Yoruba adage about a flea(fly) having to judge between a person that has wound and another person not having wound. Madam Jessicha who do you thinking the flea(fly) will support in this case?

Jessicha: you have really been blinded by sentiment's . Read the Book of Acts , Not even differences in Views regarding Circumcision was allowed,

Achorladey: Another lie! Acts 15 has not changed it remained the same ever since it was written. Acts 15 discussed circumcision or no circumcision palaver.
Acts 15:5,9-11, 19-21 no one single command was given to stop the circumcision issue. The final resolution on that day did not even mention circumcision in its wording. You know why? It simply because SUCH MINOR DIFFERENCE IS NOT ENOUGH TO RENDER GOD'S UNDESERVED KINDNESS INVALID OR MAKE US DISTINGUISH TRUE CHRISTIAN OR FALSE CHRISTIAN.

Jessicha: True Christians must be completely united in same mind.

Achorladey: Another lie! Ephesians 4:3 EARNESTLY ENDEAVORING TO MAINTAIN ONENESS OF THE SPIRIT IN UNITING BOND OF PEACE.
Do you think this verse is preaching 100% conformity? Emphasis on "earnestly endeavoring".

For reading exercise: Acts 15: 9-11
He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Finally in fulfilling the law of the Christ as recently taught Galatians 5:6 Please read!!!! For in union with Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor no circumcision is of any value, but faith operating through love is.

Achorladey: Christians should be united in same mind and line of thought. Agreed!!!! My question..... do all Christians believe the following set of scriptures Matthew 22:37-39, John 14:6, James 1:26,27 John 3:16 2 Timothy 3:16,17 John 4:24. Matthew 24:14?
If yes is your answer, do you believe Christian then have same line of thought and mind despite some minor difference that should not divide us?

salvation101:
u just answered the question dat ur brother has been shying away from..
No wonder u prefer to be called withnesses of jehova instead of Christian

salvation101:
i asked a simple question.. D title of this thread is all about the question i asked you... Is the Godship of the father greater than Jesus?

Peacefullove:
I asked you to tell me how these people make Jesus a lesser god, you haven't reply .




I asked , Christ came in the name of who ? answer this first.

And they also testify to follow Christ , so by your definition in the above post, that makes them Christian too .

your last line is so funny, I guess the Israelites belong to what u termed watchtower society . Or Jesus too, Jesus was called a faithful witness in Revelation of the new testament, question is Faithful witness of who ?


You are making a silly debate , trust me .

damariox:
What if a minor claims he's done his dedication and wishes to symbolize it by water baptism? Like i was baptized at age 11?

damariox:
What if a minor claims he's done his dedication and wishes to symbolize it by water baptism? Like i was baptized at age 11?

tightpants:
A lot of people don't understand the JW religion because they are not directly involved in it. What the OP sought to show was that, the watchtower is trying to tell it's members that once you bcome a jw, you can never go back; in other words, you have no reason to leave. This is why they shun former members, even family.
This is an example of a totalitarian organization. It doesn't allow democratic actions to take place.

Secondly, it draws unnecessary and irrelevant parallels from the old testament. Comparing Jephthah's vow with a JW baptism is plain wrong because , Jephthah was a Jew. The watchtower is just using these tactics to trap it's members in it's organization and out fear in them that they must not leave. If that doesn't scream "cult" in your mind, then think again. JWs are brainwashed.

damariox:
Sourced directly from their very own publication (watchtower April 2017) last week study article.

Examples of people who never went back on their vows are Jewish Hannah and jeptah. These exemplary faithful people kept their words... So every jehovahs witness must keep their promises of remaining a jehovahs witness till death or face the brutal implications of shunning or been tagged a "demon" or mentally diseased. Saying you are no more a jehovahs witness is a SIN.
So even if you were baptized as a child. (below age of consent) making an adult decision at a premature age to be baptized as a jw there is no going back on the that promise..

Please are these christian teachings (Jesus teachings) or an occult /extremist view?
No doubt this is one reason they are banned in Russia. There is no way they can scripturally back to this cult like practice

oneolajire:
Read your bible very well.

After death, you body goes into the grave, your spirit goes somewhere, either to Jesus or a place of torment before the resurrection day.



Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Here Stephen went somewhere, his spirit to Jesus and his body to the grave. Stephen saw Jesus at the point of death, no JW has seen angel at the point of death not to talk of seeing Jesus because they have a false hope. We are going where Stephen went, what about you?


Philippians 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Paul is making a choice of where to be, alive on earth in the flesh or after death to be with Jesus. Can't you see this for God's sake?


Resurrection take place later. Bible preaches resurrection, and it shall be so.


After death, You are going to the grave says Your bible

King James Version
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. - Eccl 9 vs 10

The bible lied ?


Paul of the Bible is a strong advocate of Resurrection of the dead . that's what he is talking about uthor=frosbel2 post=57073415]

Difficult to reason with people who have been brainwashed and incapable of thinking out of the box. I was once like that for many years. Just keep helping them with the scriptures as you are, who knows, one day they may be blessed with understanding.

Please what is this spirit you are talking about ? and secondly Do animals have it ? 

achorladey:
After giving it a hard thought, you decided to dodge the question. Good for you. Keep it up!!!!!!! For the records though, that is not the answer to the questions asked.

joyandfaith:
post is about adventist, you are talking about jehovah witnesses.

johnw74:
duh, you dum mall are still being off topic talking about Christmas, oh confused one
go open a thread on it, I'm sure rc's and others who are interested will accommodate you there


of course any time is good to celebrate Jesus Christs birth,
not for you antichrists though

advocate666:
If yahweh wasn't an illiterate, he would know that a day is 24 hours; not 1000 years.

LordCenturion:
Madam, wat do u expect him to say?, to say something bad about it?, Mark that says religion is important, does he practice any of the religion?, and have u asked ursef which type of religion he was talking about, Islam?, Christianity?, Buddhism?, etc..



Everyone knows that jehova/Allah /Zeus /Ra /Krishna etc are not the Almighty GOD that created the universe,religions and it's practice were created by human just the way they created Xmas day and calendar... Religions is just a scam

advocate666:
Yahweh is deceiver.
You mean they will still be alive today if the didn't eat the fruit? What about their fruitful multiplication? Will those blessings be alive today? In which country? Stop listening to Yahweh's lies.


Read the verse again where he told them they would die if they ate the fruit. Yahweh clearly said they will die on the day they eat the fruit. They didn't.

Martinez19:
thank you.

Martinez19:
religion is a scam. It is all about brainwashing and mental slavery to believe in something that is not there.

advocate666:
They didn't die. They went ahead and had children and lived very long lives.

adelee777:
dis is d most scripturally intelligent, sripturally correct and concise explanation i've ever read on these boards on dis issue. U just hit it right. God bless u n increase ur wisdom in Jesus Name.

revpeter:
In the bible, we were made to understand that the devil deceived eve by telling her that she and her husband will become just like God, knowing the difference between good and bad if the disobey God and eat from the forbidding fruit.

But God himself confirmed in the account of genesis 3:19-25 that the devil didn't deceive eve but instead, he said the truth.

In that same account, it was obvious that God's original plan was never for us to leave forever, contrary to what we were made to believe.

There were two trees in the garden of Eden, one was the tree of life and the other was the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.
Eve only ate from the tree of knowledge and what the devil said actually came to pass "they were now like God, knowing the difference between good and bad"

In genesis 3:22-27, God was angry that they were now like him, so in other for them not to also eat out of the tree of life and live forever, hr sent them out of the garden to suffer- confirming what the devil said was the reason for their being banned from the tree..............that God never wanted them to be like him.

The devil was right! He did not deceive man, but instead, he told them the truth according to the christian bible.