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Demmzy15:
It's quite hypocritical when you face me while you don't face your fellow Christian brethren. Check my posts from the beginning, I never abused any of those who you revere, but your brethrens have been doing. If you don't tell them to stop, I'll curse and abuse and there's nothing that will happen. The highest you can do is to ban me, I'll come back and still curse him!!!!!

You can't abuse my God and Prophet, and then expect to sit and watch like a fool. Tell them!!!

johnw74:
The supposed jw's are in bed with the beast-riding the beast

It's on'y fitting that the watchtower society be a member of the U.N .-scarlet beast
their highrachy know who they really are
in any case God knows, and has them where they belong for now
and Christians know too.

Demmzy15:



[s]
Like a loser you're, nothing upstairs, we all know your God was a Pervert that's why he impregnated Mary at the age of 12years, so I won't shout. History has shown that your Jesus, the crucified son of a donkey who died like "I surrender chicken" on the cross(of cursed memory) was nothing but a pedophile. Can you tell us what he did with the 32 virgins given to him?! [/s]

analice107:
Your case is hopeless.

analice107:
Okay, explain this scripture to me. And if you refuse to treat this scriptures then stay off my mention. I detest pretenders.

Matthew 13:24-27,37-44 Another parable He set forth before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while he was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed also darnel (weeds resembling wheat) among the wheat, and went on his way. So when the plants sprouted and formed grain, the darnel (weeds) appeared also. And the servants of the owner came to him and said, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Then how does it have darnel shoots in it?



He answered, He Who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed means the children of the kingdom; the darnel is the children of the evil one, And the enemy who sowed it is the devil. The harvest is the close and consummation of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the darnel (weeds resembling wheat) is gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the close of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense [persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly, And will cast them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth. Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.

You are preaching a Luciferean gospel of God being too loving to judge sin.

Scholar8200:
Cross check this with Psalm 9:17, will the righteous and wicked head to the same place going by the tenor of Palm 9:17?

Emusan:
Like I said, you're just attacking strawman without taking your time to digest my counter post. Now you resorted to "FREE FLOW OF THE SENTENCE" But let's see whether you truly understand yourself by trying hard to defend the lie your organization engaged in.



Yes I agreed, but for Watchtower publication to quote a part of statement and left the rest out which actually change the true meaning of the author's point of view and conclusion isn't OUTRIGHT LIE, abi? Just Continue...



Answer me, does it appear in Darwin's statement that he sees anything as a problem which Watchtower attributed to him? "Darwin acknowledged this as a problem."

While quoting Richard Lewontin Watchtower said this; “Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully
designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence
of a Supreme Designer’”

In your mind of perjury, can't you see how this man's statement was twisted by watchtower to suit their false teaching?

Notice it was the word 'THAT' which was removed by watchtower that change the sentence forever and also that a FULL STOP was placed after "DESIGNED" by watchtower whereas the statement of Richard is a continous one with They have morphologies, physiologies and behaviors that appear to have been carefully and artfully designed to enable each organism to appropriate the world around it for its own life."

Just imaging rubish thing you said @bold, who told you they are IRRELEVANT? HOW CAN YOU BE SUPPORTING A DECEPTIVE QUOTE LIKE THIS? who have right to render someones work irrelivant?




Another way of diverting attention, before verse 17 vr 16 has already pointed out that Jesus performed many healing MIRACLES BY THE WORD OF HIS MOUTH. So just quoting out vr17 is what Watchtower always does leaving the main point.



You're right, so go back to my counter posts and see the details are there.

Scholar8200:
now that you have resurfaced, care to help your fellows on the meaning of this:


48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:48

It says the Fire will not be quenched-Everlasting (Doctoralien take note). And that their worm dieth not (immortality).

What then becomes of those cast there? What will the worms be acting on?

Scholar8200:
Where is the quote where I said "Grave will be TORMENTED forever!" Why claim I said something and cannot quote it?

If I would accept that I said anything, this is it:

CANTICLES:

the point is clear, its torment is explained as Destruction

are death and Grave personalities too, so what happen to them in the Lake of fire ?

SCHOLAR8200:
Revelations is silent on that, I will be too. Those that were mentioned as personalities-devil, beast, false prophet, sinners- will be tormented therein.


Now in the same fashion quote where I said the grave will be TORMENTED.

goodnews201668:
You obviously don't believe 1 Corinthians 15:44 or other portions that shows Christ was made alive in spirit.

Or it could possible be that you are having issues comprehending the truth found in the Bible simply because it made your doctrine contempt, so i don't have time for your trash.

But then ill be tempted to reply you only when u and your cohorts answer me two straight and simple questions from the Bible.

The scriptures contains accounts of Angels (spirits beings) who appeared with human bodies, eat and even associated with men.

Some other angels even did materialized and got married to sons of men.

Question 1: Where did they get the physical bodies from?
Quote scriptures as well.

Question 2: When these angels were leaving the earth including the ones that came as God's messengers, WHERE did they leave those bodies or did they travel to heaven with it?

Scholar8200:
Where is the statement: Grave will be TORMENTED made by me?
You twist till you even try to twist this too?

Scholar8200:
Where is the statement: Grave will be TORMENTED made by me?
You twist till you even try to twist this too?

Emusan:
Why you continue to defend lie.



I see you're still trying harder just prove Watchtower right and still nailed me to cross when what I did was the same thing watchtower did in their publications.

Firstly, you can see ELLIPSES in between those words which means something is missing and by doing that the original view of the author and the true meaning of that sentence is lost. That's why you can verify and came up with the real statement which made you called me A LIAR.

Secondly, Watchtower also used this same tactics by USING an ELLIPSE to hide the true view of the author or lost the actual message the author is conveying.

Lastly, I asked what is the different between what I did and what Watchtower society did?



Your illustration is vague and hold no water.

No matter how you twist it or trying to justify it you're wrong and in fact you're even exposing watchtower publications' fraud more. [size=14pt]in case you don't know Watchtower society uses the two references you sited in short there are many cases where Watchtower society will make a statement and attributed their own statement to the author their quoting. Did I do that here?[/size] so using this line of argument won't help you at all.

Here are the examples:



Look at the underline statement attributed to Darwin, does Darwin acknowledge any problem in his statement? NO! But watchtower said he did.

Look at the ELLIPSE, does anyone reading watchtower quote wont think Darwin truly confess why HIS ACTUAL STATEMENT HAD BEEN HIDDEN AND WHAT THEY LEFT OUT OF HIS STATEMENT WHICH CONCLUDED EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS VIEWS, WERE NOT FOUND.

Lastly, the word by [EVOLUTION] was not the actual statement of Darwin it was inserted by Watchtower the actual words in his statement are "by natural
selection,"

Let me just stop with this case 1 because it's enough evident that your illustration is baseless whereas I'll advice you to go back to my counter posts (FIVE 5 POSTS) which none of you have not refuted and read them one by one this time because I know you didn't bother to read them in details since it's already about Watchtower. You'll see that everything in your illustration covered.

The only people who can't see it in my counter posts are the ones Devil has blinded their conscience.

Medicis:
Stop confusing yourself. Even if said God gave man immortality, you should know I'm talking about the soul.

Medicis:
Follower of Christ.. Ie you believe he died on the cross and rose from the dead and that he is the son of the living God Right?

Medicis:
How can God “alone” have immortality( 1 Timothy 6:16), if the soul of man is also immortal (1 Corinthians 15:53-54)
Matthew 25:46)?

The answer is really quite
simple: The only reason man is immortal is
because GOD GIVES MAN IMMORTALITY because he created man. God created
man differently than plants and animals; He
chose to make man “in His own image” (Genesis
1:27). Among other things, one of the great
blessings of being an image-bearer of God is
that humans have an immortal soul However, in the sense that God’s everlasting nature is immortal, God alone possesses immortality. Take for example :both God and His faithful children are pure and holy (1John 3:3; Matthew 5:8; 1 Peter 1:16). They are pure and holy, however, on different levels.
Whereas God is innately perfect (Isaiah 6:3;
James 1:13), man can only become pure and
holy through the grace of God and the blood of
Christ (Hebrews 10:22; Ephesians 1:3-14). God is
holy; man becomes holy. Likewise, God “alone
[inherently] has immortality” (1 Timothy 6:16),
but He has given it to man. The same way he alone has eternal life and decided to give us.

Emusan:
Shaking my head for you, I've said initially that I'm just using the same tactics that JW always used.

This is what you posted to counter that statement, if my statement wasn't there how will you find out?




The bold parts are the ones I quoted out, then hiding the rest with ellipse just the way your organization usually does.

But remember you said STATEMENTS means PLURAL.

Again, from which source did Richard C declare this statement written by JW?
“Zoologist Richard Lewontin said that organisms ’appear to have been carefully and artfully designed’. He views them as ’the chief evidence of a Supreme Designer’”

Emusan:
Jesus!!! You can come with this broad day lie.

Show me just one of my statement that was not found in any publication I quoted. Devil himself will be afraid of your le.

Medicis:
Every soul is immortal. ETERNAL LIFE is when you spend your immortality with Jesus in heaven and ETERNAL CONTEMPT is when you spend your immortality in hell. The Devil is immortal but doesn't have eternal life.

Emusan:
I'll be awaiting your research sir.

sonofthunder:
dear, that's where I was going. do answer the question(s)

Hiswordxray:
Aeya, the truth that Hell last for eternity scares you to death. But you don't have to be scared of death.

Lol.

I have no time for brain washed religious fanatics who use the threat of fear to hold onto their members so that they will keep paying tithes and offerings.

There is no difference between you people and Boko Haram , in fact Boko Haram is better than your own terrorism because it lasts only for a small moment while your terror lasts for world without end, 1 million times worse than Boko Haram or any form of terror in the world.

Pal, go and make sure it is not Satan you are following.....

sonofthunder:
my sister, those who do not receive everlasting life, what do they receive?

Princewell2012:

No, amageddon is a war which will take place on the last day, just like the one which took place in heaven.

This one is going to be between God and the evil men, atleast they will die once and forall.
But in hellfire you will burn forever.



Those people who will die during amageddon war also knows their fault, and while they were being punished or kill.

Now do you want to tell me that Satan doesn't know his fault?
The people who were destroy with flood during noah period, do they not know they are evil and wicked?

If two people want to present a loving God to their children, one said his God will punish or kill you once and forall, and another says his God will roast you in fire forever, which of those God will those children agree to follow?

Do you really think you re evangelising for God? Mmmmm.

Pls can you answer this questions?

1. Who created hellfire ? If your answer is God then.

2. When were it created?

Was hellfire his original plan from the beginning or did he just wake one morning and decided to do it?

3. Who were it made for?

4. The generations that were before Jesus will they be a partakers of hellfire?

5. Where they also warn about the intending danger of hellfire, if not why?

6. Is people already in hellfire now?

7. Does God has power to quench the fire in hell?

8.His disobedient children that are in hellfire, or that will be in hellfire if they called on him for mercy will he be able to pardon them and grant them mercy?

9.All the men of God and his prophets did they warn the sinner about hellfire? if not pls can you elucify?

10.Does he know those who will go to hellfire or not before he created them?

11.His main reasons of creating man, was he able to achieve them?

12. You and God who is more merciful than each others?

Finally,
13: will you be able to throw your son in a very hot fire to burn, let say atleast for 48 hrs without mercy for disobeying your order?

Pls i want you to humbly and cincerely answer these questions.
Thank you.

dolphinheart:
why do you think jw's strive to stay away from sin despite not believing in hell fire?
do you know what goes to hell?

His winnowing fan (shovel, fork) is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear out and clean His threshing floor and gather and store His wheat in His barn, but the chaff He will burn up with fire that cannot be put out.

Who or what does the chaff here represent?

In the voice of Jesus of Nazareth.



Amplified Bible Matthew 13:36-44 Then He left the throngs and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him saying, Explain to us the parable of the darnel in the field. He answered, He Who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed means the children of the kingdom; the darnel is the children of the evil one, And the enemy who sowed it is the devil. The harvest is the close and consummation of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the darnel (weeds resembling wheat) is gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the close of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense [persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly, And will cast them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth. Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.
Go ahead call Jesus a liar.

Matthew 13:36-44. Then He left the throngs and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him saying, Explain to us the parable of the darnel in the field. He answered, He Who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed means the children of the kingdom; the darnel is the children of the evil one, And the enemy who sowed it is the devil. The harvest is the close and consummation of the age, and the reapers are angels. [size=26] Just as the darnel (weeds resembling wheat) is gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at the close of the age. [/size] The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of offense [persons by whom others are drawn into error or sin] and all who do iniquity and act wickedly, And will cast them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth. Then will the righteous (those who are upright and in right standing with God) shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him who has ears [to hear] be listening, and let him consider and perceive and understand by hearing.


Matt 13: 47-50
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet which was cast into the sea and gathered in fish of every sort. When it was full, men dragged it up on the beach, and sat down and sorted out the good fish into baskets, but the worthless ones they threw away. [size=25] So it will be at the close and consummation of the age. [/size] The angels will go forth and separate the wicked from the righteous (those who are upright and in
right standing with God) And cast them [the wicked] into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and wailing and grinding of teeth.

Amplified Bible Mark 9:43,45,47-49
And if your hand puts a stumbling block before you and causes you to sin, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to go into life [that is really worthwhile] maimed than with two hands to go to hell (Gehenna), into the fire that cannot be put out. And if your foot is a cause of stumbling and sin to you, cut it off! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter into life [that is really worthwhile] crippled than, having two feet, to be cast into hell (Gehenna). And if your eye causes you to stumble and sin, pluck it out! It is more profitable and wholesome for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell (Gehenna), Where their worm [which preys on the inhabitants and [size=25] is a symbol of [/size] the wounds inflicted on the man himself by his sins] does not die, and the fire is not put out. For everyone shall be salted with fire.

These are Jesus' quotes, In his voice.

JW go about telling people not to worry, but continue in their sins, because when they die it ends there. No life after death. No accountability for any act.
You claim God is a Just God, but you preach His love which will restrain him from carrying out his Justice. Really?

Create this scene in your minds eyes.
A criminal is caught after years of terrorizing the neighbourhood. This time, he raped a 5 years old. After due consultations, the doctor confirms the child is damaged. She won't be able to bear kids when she grows up. Coupled with all he had done in the past, he is brought before a judge. He is found guilty.
But before the judge passes his sentence, he asks the man if he were sorry for what he did, the man says no, but would want the judge to free him anyways.
The judge asks him why, he says, because you are a very good judge.
You are too good and merciful and as a good and merciful judge acquit me and let me go.

Now, to you. If the judge acquits the criminal, will he be good and kind to the little girl and her family?

This is the kind of God JW go about proclaiming.

analice107:
It's a satanic ploy to keep you in your sins until it's too late. Have you read the Bible for yourself? Shouldn't ask why both old and new Testaments talks about hellfire but jw deny it?

liar ! infact it makes us more determined to follow our God direction , we serve God out of Genuine Love not out of the FEAR OF A MYTHICAL HELLFIRE !!!! "There is no Fear in love " 1john 4:18

sonofthunder:
you seem not to be understanding the bible as you should

sonofthunder:
on a very serious note, are you a Christian?

joyandfaith:
have you tried house to house evangelism and they do not allow you.